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On August 13 2013 03:22 strongandbig wrote: rayn can you explain why you have a town read on risen? Do you really think his first reads post could come from scum!Risen? Basically because of that. | ||
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On August 13 2013 03:31 strongandbig wrote: yes i do and i said why did you read my post? Yes i read your post. First you say Risen is scum for calling out anti-town behavior (Oats/yamato/DI). Sounds good. You are also saying he should know their meta. Afaik the guy has had a long break from mafia (correct me if i am wrong here). People (aside me) tend to forget how people play in games, just look at Titanic where i was trying to confirm Oats in a way or another from the game he played a couple of weeks ago. Didn´t work. So calling out anti-town behavior without looking into players last games makes him mafia? Then there is a connection case. You said townies can do that too. That´s right. Did you check if Risen does that as town? As scum? At least you didn´t tell that in your case. If you are gonna tell Risen is scum for something both town/mafia do, at least provide some evidence. Huge post - makes him scum how? "Easy reads" for anti town behavior - makes him scum how? How is Risen´s post "constructed and careful"? The only thing that holds water in your post is that he has not explained / pursued his reads. Fuck, a half of the playerbase doesn´t even seem to have reads. If you think Risen´s reads are bad, why don´t you question him on them? Instead you want to hear from people who have been in contact with him?? Why? Why not from him? | ||
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On August 13 2013 05:10 s0Lstice wrote: Rayn, describe your PMs with Acro please I asked him if Pberyn had contacted him (at that point Oberyn had promised to contact all the lords and had shown no interest in contacting me, so i asked all the lords about it). He asked me about SnB. I told him: "The whole SnB/Clarity/Oats thing smells fishy. There is something that does not add up. I am talking with SnB atm to figure out what´s up." He said SnB has been clariying things to him, but he doesn´t fully agree. SnB thinks Oats is town but Acro does not agree with it. He asks me about my thoughts on using a HP-check. Me: "HP check this early on helps mafia more than it does help town. Mafia is in control of KP (besides house lords), if we reveal some house HP, mafia can direct their KP more accurately. As this is a KP/HP game i assume at least most of the people have more than 1 HP, and mafia has > 1 KP, probably even > 2 KP. Do you think HP check is a good idea now? Why?" (then Oberyn PM´s me that Acro is gonna probably use the HP check) He says he is weighing pros and cons of a HP-check. Not sure if he uses it. Accuses me of "witch hunt". I tell him: "If you are going with your plan, go for it. Whatever happens will give us information about you and others. But i am gonna tell you it´s probably gonna be bad. I am willing to reconsider my stance if you are willing to tell me the plan." That´s it. On August 13 2013 06:15 Acrofales wrote: The disgraced lord Raynpelikoneet is a Blackfyre. It first got my attention when he was excessively pedantic over a small mistake I made. Even accounting for differences in Common between the Iron Isles and the Reach, it was clear to everybody else that I had simply confused matters, yet Rayn went on and on and on WITHOUT a point: There was no point to be made. He wasn't protesting his innocence. He wasn't catching me out on something that could come from a Blackfyre, he was just being pedantic. While not necessarily indicative of being a Blackfyre, there is clearly no loyalist motive for being so pedantic and sidetracking the conversation, so he had perked my interest. My next discussion with him was what made me really made me suspect him, and everybody already knows about it, but I will repeat it in different words, just to make it clear, again. Here is my earlier speech, from the archives, and I suggest you read it: A brief summary: he offered to back down from his accusations if I gave him information that could potentially hurt the Blackfyre cause. The details of the plan are irrelevant, because neither he, nor I, knew the "plan" had been posted in public hours ago by this point. He was trying to strongarm me into giving information that a loyalist would not need, nor want. The obvious reason is because he is a Blackfyre Since then I have been gathering evidence: Careful probing of Baratheon politics Raynpelikoneet is very happy to meddle and probe and fiddle and try to figure out what is happening, but at no point does he draw any conclusions. Nowhere does he mention anything about whether anything that happened in Baratheon was a Blackfyre plot. Here are his posts, it is a running commentary, with some slapdash questions: if anything, he is trying to figure out what happened, not whether there were questionable motives involved: + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2013 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi did you replace in before or after Dandel replaced out? (in NWM, not this game) On August 08 2013 23:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Solstice and Chromatically, could you comment on this DI/Koshi thingy? Which side of this do yout interactions with them support? Or is it something else? On August 09 2013 06:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah Solstice´s logic is really fishy. That last post is his "conclusion". It is about as stand-offish and non-committal as you can get, just waiting for other people to voice their opinion. When they do, he is finally ready to voice his opinion: Remember guys! I was the first to call his logic bad. I didn't draw any conclusions at the time, but now that all of you think he's a Blackfyre, I am ready to support that. Just remember that I got there first! I will now rehash other people's arguments as if they are my own. Completely unconvincing. Also note the lack of a vote. About as non-committal a way of calling someone a Blackfyre as I have ever seen. The Stark suspicion Concurrently with the clusterfuck that happened in House Baratheon, the Starks were spilling their dirty laundry as well. Once again, Rayn is very careful to skirt the fray without diving in: + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2013 01:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: What was the point of intentionally ignore SnB questioning you about your lie, multiple times as he said? What kind of reaction you were hoping for? And how did REDACTED act? Does he come townie to you or what? On August 09 2013 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: You didn´t really answer me. If you are doing a reaction test you will know he will call you out for lying. You MUST have an answer to that (for reference see what i did in NWM N1) before it happens. Also when doing reaction tests in off thread comm games you basically gotta have a back up. Someone you tell what are you up to before you do it. Without that reaction tests are either stupid or scum. Mafia can after every mistake they make say "oh, it was just a reaction test", and everyone should believe them? So what was your intention during this whole thing that went on N0 in your place? On August 09 2013 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can these other reason be told in thread SnB? If they somehow prove Clarity is town we are wasting time in this because this in my opinion does not 100% prove Clarity is scum. At least yet. On August 09 2013 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: SnB, Clarity and REDACTED: Why can´t you just tell what the reasons for REDACTED is to think Clarity is town? You are pushing the issue under the carpet after making such a scene out of it first. Why is that? On August 09 2013 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: If i wanted, i would be voting for you. I do not know, that´s why i am trying to focus on other stuff. I am missing a part of information i fell is important to have a better read on you. Someone can give me that information but 3 people are refusing to do so. It´s retarded. What do you think of FT & Onegu? On August 09 2013 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: I read all of this and i´m like wtf? I am clueless.. There are some more, but they are just more of the same Of particular interest are the one that I bolded in red, and the last one. In both, he desperately wants someone else to take the lead and TELL him what to think of this. My conclusion from reading Oats' response was: I see no reason for Clarity to do this as a Blackfyre. It is at worst, a null tell. Oats' weird reaction test seemed more like it came from a Blackfyre motive, although none of it is very conclusive. But what struck me as weird is Rayn wants people to tell him what to think. If someone else thought it was suspicious he could then easily jump on the wagon. Chasing lynchbait In my humble opinion, johnnywup is the most obvious lynchbait in the thread. Rayn spends a lot of time going after him. In fact, it is the only suspect he has not yet recanted on. But he did forget about who his suspects were... Making suspects up on the spot? Hell yeah. Checked that tickbox. The suspects are SO real that he forgets about them! In closing, Rayn is a Blackfyre pretender, and we should kill him tomorrow. I don't really know what to say.. You accuse me of not reaching into conclusions? Fuck you, you are the guy who posted a bit before the deadline "Where is my vote at". I have been drawing conclusions, just because i do not tell them in thread instantly and push them all the time does not mean i do not have them. You clearly do not know how i play and you are trying to discredit me from something i have not done. I was the main person to push lynches on D1, when i was a lord. Me and iamp discussed lynches and Lord KP use, nobody else gave shit about that before ~2h before the deadline. On D2, there is no reason for me to tell my thoughts. Why would i? I have no vote, yamato is getting lynched and nothing is gonna change that. Why do you need to hear my thoughts? Don't worry, you will hear them on D3 from me or by proxy. You can be sure of that. The lynchbait thing is ridiculous. I hate hate hate everytime someone brings up the lynchbait thing. Being a lynchbait as town does not fucking make you town. If you can prove me johnnywup is town please do so. HOW CAN YOU FUCKING DISCREDIT ME POINTING OUT SCUMMY BEHAVIOR WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THE GUY IS SCUM OR NOT? Or do you? On August 13 2013 06:35 Xatalos wrote: CONFIRMED SCUM LURKING ON PURPOSE Hmm. Well, he shouldn't be a priority kill but he should be put under some heavy pressure. He has focused on all the wrong things so far, I agree with that. Fuck you. Seriously fuck you. Who are you to say i have been focused on wrong things? Do you know the unflipped players i have been going after are town? Tell me, what should i focus into then? This sounds JUST like in Titanic when i wanted to lynch scum!FT on D1, wanted to lynch him D2, pushed him really hard, just to get scum!Corazon to tell me "you have been wrong all game" and everyone in town licking his balls when i mislynch on D3 because of FT TOWNSLIPPED AND RAYN IS SO FUCKING WRONG ALL THE GAME!! | ||
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On August 13 2013 08:49 s0Lstice wrote: You all caught up ace? Hows your pms with rayn going? Do you think sharrants claim was bs? Are you going anywhere with these questions? You have been the definition of lurker in D2. | ||
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On August 13 2013 09:04 s0Lstice wrote: Xatalos unsettles me. D3 wagon of justice talk on acro, and then an eyeblink later he is getting talked into acros target. Exactly my thoughts. Also with reasoning that´s full of shit. | ||
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On August 13 2013 09:26 iamperfection wrote: its easier in the thread and dont tell me what to do peasant and we are discussing the kp list as soon as someone talks back to me As i assumed. 4,5 hours left and you are the only one trying. :E What do you think of Acro / Xatalos shitposting over me? | ||
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Why does Xatalos instantly agree wit his scumread´s case on his town read? Do you have any influence on that? | ||
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On August 13 2013 09:40 iamperfection wrote: you think one of the most active guys in the thread and a player with a role block claim is scum........................................................................................ ............................... ...... really? I don´t know. His post about me is full of shit though. It´s also full of shit that he agrees with his scumread instantly. That´s all okay for you i guess? | ||
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It´s not the town things they du but the scummy things. Do you have any opinion on what Xatalos said about me or not? | ||
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On August 13 2013 09:49 iamperfection wrote: well i think your town too so i dont really think much about it at all. Well maybe you should start. Seriously, part of Acrofales' case is this: Acro: "Your interactions with Grack...." Me: "Tell me where i ever talk you about Grack" Acro: "You didn't" Me: "Then why do you say this (quote)" Arco: "There was no point to be made. He wasn't protesting his innocence. He wasn't catching me out on something that could come from a Blackfyre, he was just being pedantic. While not necessarily indicative of being a Blackfyre, there is clearly no loyalist motive for being so pedantic and sidetracking the conversation, so he had perked my interest." WTF IS THIS BULLSHIT? I am calling the dude out lying and he is trying to use it against me in his case? And Xatalos is all "yeha dude that's some good shit on rayn, go on, let's vig him!" Nothing sounds bullshit to you here iamp? | ||
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Rephrase the PM', please. If someone is town due PM's, show us why. We have been over this on D1, and there the PM's were full of shit as they did not prove anything. BUT TOWN BECAUSE OF PMS! | ||
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On August 13 2013 10:08 kushm4sta wrote: im not trying to piss you off rayne but sharrant and acro are town because of PMs. Why does dandel think acro is scum? were there ever any reasons backing that up or just feels? What do you think of Xatalos? | ||
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Why the fuck is everyone trying to cast shit on me because of this? | ||
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On August 13 2013 10:25 kushm4sta wrote: is there a case for me to read? if not he looks pretty town i guess read the last page of my filter. iamp: You do not get to call kushmasta useless. You have been at least as useless as he has been in thread. There have been three discussion topics that are important after yamato claimed scum: 1) Oberyn/Onegu fakeclaim - you had no stance on it. 2) Grack thing - you said "i PM´s him about it", no follow up and no stance on it 3) Acro/Xata shitcase on me - no stance on it. Don´t you dare to call anyone useless in thread because with all of your posts this phase you have been extremely useless. | ||
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