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Alakaslam
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On August 03 2013 10:22 Umasi wrote: I DIDN'T THINK HE WAS TOWN AT THAT POINT, OBVIOUSLY, BUT THERE WAS A HIGHER LIKELIHOOD HE WOULD POST. Why did you not think this when I was voting scam. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On August 03 2013 10:22 DeusXmachina wrote: A bunch of scenarios where Umasi is town? We are talking about if Umasi is scum. He already expressed that he vote switched because he believed reps was a bad town. So situation A, reps flips red, that wouldn't implicate him as scum unless you don't believe that he was being genuine when he said that he thinks reps is town (which is what reps turned out to be). It is because of towncred. A few were voicing concern with the lynch. And it was avoidable. But last minute switches look bad; if he had switched with me, we may have lynched scam, it could have happened. There were a few people uneasy, and they were on reps. If they switched, the wagons would have changed size- drawing reps wagon. But rather, votes Indio. Because there were vocal detractors to that, and no-lynch is better towncred. If we had successfully lynched scam and he was town, it would have implicated Umasi and I, and reps. Since this is a scenario where Umasi is scum, that mean scum is implicated. Don't do it that way then. To just sit on it after having been vocally uneasy looks scummy too. People call it "distancing from the lynch". What else Sorry for tunnel but I have never been so convinced | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
My case is purely timing problems. It should not be te some reason for voting Umasi. Couple this with a) your own reasoning and b) flare's case, others case etc. First couple actions that are relevant but does not look scummy on their own: Umasi declares that no lynch is never good repeatedly and reasonably. I disagreed, but only in situations like when 1 kill away from Lylo. I was not as specific at the time. Also says lynch all lurkers is good policy. Next action, relevant. Begins to be uneasy with reps lynch. So was I. My action, relevant, slight scummy: Disagrees with town consensus. Votes scam for lurker lynch. Umasi action, slight scummy: disagrees with town consensus after agreeing. Does not switch vote yet. Next action, scummy: Votes Indio. Says prefers no lynch to town lynch (I would have agreed but wasn't in thread) but shows no interest in solidifying stance on lynching lurkers, and appears not to have read India's filter, since he only really made 1 scummy post. Not a convincing counter wagon (what should have been intent, given prior stances) but that goes into next action; Next action, odd and scummy: Says prefers, desires no lynch... Not a hint to pushing people to get off reps and on Indio while he's gone please or his opinion of town worse (I would see this as more likely move from Standpoint) Next action, null to scummy: I vote switch back to reps, saying we have to lynch and upset with town or not consolidating (contradicts my idea that no lynch can be better than lynch; if this bothers you I can answer however. For the sake of conciseness, I won't here) Next action: Reps is lynched. Town ofc. Next action, null: I get a little pissed with Umasi for not voting with me, or maybe the only time was preflip. But I think I vocalized it in thread too, and wrote it off later. Next action, townie (by Umasi): Votes scam immediately. Would be good move on its own. Next action, townie: Indio makes a big post with analysis. Consider the above. The problem I have that is not seen above but which involves the above, is the lack of this action. Voting for Indio first. Explanation given: he felt Indio would at least post, lurker needed pressure. But lurker always needed pressure. If Indio is scum be is scum, vote him first no? Also, coupled with the non- townie stuff, this comes of as fuel to the scumminess of the earlier actions; showing that in town face, he agreed with me rather than otherwise. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On August 03 2013 10:48 DeusXmachina wrote: Fair enough. This by far and away the best response to his vote switch yet. I am still not convinced. Look where it got him. If he is scum that vote switch was a really bad and stupid move. It got him way to much attention. Under the assumption that he is actually scum, this is far better scum play than I was pulling off in that game I talk about now and then. Scum is really freaking hard man, don't look at what is possible, look at what is likely. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On August 03 2013 11:00 DeusXmachina wrote: Which move would most appear like a attempt at blending in? A) Switching a vote last minute or B) Sticking with your vote Neither. But in context, better to switch- I have addressed this already. He was already voicing disapproval, so it implicates him and I if we stuck with it nonetheless. | ||
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Alakaslam
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Alakaslam
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On August 03 2013 12:04 Umasi wrote: I guess Gotards a good lynch too? I'd happily do it, but I want scam to fucking post. 100% on this. He just is not going to though! If he posts to not be modkilled, however, I don't care who is scummy. We lynch him day 3 if he doesn't post at all and then does that. Yeah I just put stuff in the vote thread  | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On August 03 2013 12:34 Umasi wrote: Slam, is there anyone/anything you want to talk about? (put aside my innocence) Yeah. Gotard's? Also what do folks think of nightcat. | ||
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Alakaslam
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Alakaslam
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Make decisions based on fact, and not lightly. Consider the vote thread as well. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On August 03 2013 12:49 Umasi wrote: pretty null, possible 3p. haven't filter dived him much. did you see my post on gotard, slam =/ Yep. Skimmed though, should R E A D. | ||
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Alakaslam
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Neither appears to have understood the other fully. Indio is saying the post Gotard dislikes was aimed at scam. Makes a little sense to me, he means he wasn't saying he would not get reads, but that he was telling scam that this was how he was behaving and only justification he could think of was that scam thinks you can't get info day one. It would be a lie I think though, scam hadn't posted at that point if I remember right. Then Gotard went on to attack what Indio actually wound up saying, according to himself Really a stretch but then that is the only way I can see it that makes sense because I can't make sense of the post. The one where Gotard says "really? Directed at scam?" Or some such confusing | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
But I just realized that was off topic anyway. Gotard could be town in that scenario, it's just every time I see it my eyes hurt. | ||
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Alakaslam
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"Specifically this line: "Why is he more useful than them if he's repetitive and "either newbie town in a helpless situation with almost no way out or he is scum trying desperately to stay alive". This is not what town does. Why is he useful in any way? Because he posts more? Quantity doesn't mean usefulness." He's disagreeing with infii, he gives the impression that he thinks reps is scum, but he doesn't actually vote reps -.-" This is FAR scummier than your behavior. Wow. The best defense is really a good offense, always XD Feh. Gotard defense thyself And thistime I move rashly it's 9:00 that's past bedtime so I'm sleepy goes and ##votes Gotard man Umasi you may be wondering how I was like "TUNNNNNNNNN NEL TO THE DEATH!!!!!!!" And now all cool & stuff Well you did explain yourself from a town perspective. You pointed out the possibility and likelihood of simply forgetting a past stance in the heat of the moment. If you actually are scum, this is a great newbie scum training moment -_-, but if you are town, that is maybe a close call? But only person as voted you is RDO, so I back off until people come read an give their thoughts. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On August 03 2013 13:02 Umasi wrote: ...wait a second, what is the everything you just said? Well... Sheepishly asks, what do you mean? | ||
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Alakaslam
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Gotard doesn't come out on top, I don't even get what he says about Indio I was gonna finish "thing but basically Indio is town so it doesn't really matter anymore." | ||
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Alakaslam
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On August 03 2013 14:34 DeusXmachina wrote: For what reasons are you guys not suspicious of RDO? Irrelevant question to me as is false. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On August 03 2013 19:13 Gotard wrote: How you were easy-to-lynch target from scum perspective? You were "posting reads" and trying to look like a town. Reps was easy lynch because he didn't post anything that might look pro town. Scam is an easy lynch now. You've never defended yourself. Never told us why nightcat was your 2nd scumread and when you explained your initial read on Umasi you've used his post after your read has been already posted. Where is logic in here? What "facts" are we hiding? You are confusing because you post some weird shit sometimes and you won't even bother explain it. Umasi: So he's changing his vote risking no-lynch because someone who is scummy brought good points. OK! Useless discussion? I wanted to get reasoning behind his thoughts. "discussion about no lynching or not" I was saying that lynching townie isn't useless for town because it gives information. I wasn't talking about no lynching. He changed his vote mainly because my posts and then he decided that those posts were scummy. ##vote: Umasi Much easier to gauge motivation when someone is dealin with you directly! ##goes and unvote s, needs convincing to vote though, agrees with deus too! Explain your Uh Let me find what you did again | ||
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