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On July 28 2013 08:03 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 07:49 Vivax wrote: I've explained my TG read and I've explained my other reads. The fact that you think that my proposed scumteam is TG/Onegu/Kirby basically says to me that you have not read my filter and that you are making an uninformed and therefore bad attack on me. Actually, that's my proposed scumteam, not yours. Anyway, I'm all ears and would like to see where you explained your TG read. My current knowledge is that townies like to talk about their scumreads, and don't have much trouble remembering their reasons for suspecting them. Are you still reading and catching up, Vivax? I'd be interested in you providing more reads on other people and also improving your current reads. Your current posting does not suggest that you are fully following the flow of thread.
Your posting suggests you're following the flow of the thread perfectly instead.
If you get my drift.
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Corazon, honey, what exactly did I miss in your filter that you're so worked up about cause I missed it?
Can you please please point me to it, for the benefit of town and cause you're such an awesome person and cause you don't want me to be suspicious of you when there's no need to?
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@ FT
Marv/VE, when you've finished partying and shit, I'd like to hear your opinion on Corazon's refusal to point me to my alleged mistakes and his decision to be hostile on purpose, and your opinion on the other stuff I posted about him.
While writing this, I think it's pretty obvious TG and him are trying to provoke me.
Now, I don't know if I missed something that's oh so important, but I think that they would be willing to point me to it if it was and they're interested in solving the game -by everyone-, cause if I missed something that points to some obvious scum or to me writing something that isn't true, I would actually love to hear it and not be told to go fuck myself.
Reading the filter, I'm fairly sure I didn't miss anything from Corazon.
Resummarizing my points against him:
- His Oats vote while having TG as scum was scummy.
- His claim. Thinks he's rolecop but thinks the alignment cop is lying cause there can't be two.
- Him trusting into a green check and at the same time complaining about bastard hosts.
- He never pushes his scumread TG, literally never there's anything that could be called an attempt to bring a nice case on the guy with a reason that's worth being mentioned.
- Behaving like an unhelpful retard when I suspect him and ask him stuff in the friendliest way possible is scummy.
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On July 28 2013 08:31 Onegu wrote:
I believe all the claims I am guessing each has a different sanity, if I had to choose on to be fake it would be firmTofu but I think his is real also. People JrKirby looks really really bad give me reasons on why he isnt scum.
Vivax you think as scum when I replaced in the first thing I did was to make a case on TAA to bus him?
To be honest, I don't even want to consider you could be scum any more (which rather stemmed from the fact that DrH caused no lynch and didn't play in a way I would have considered townie) cause we don't know if there's 3 or 4 scum, and I already am sure that COra and TG are scum at this point.
That said, you bring a good argument to the table. In any case I dont't think I'll have to worry about you cause there is almsot certain scum to fry first: Corazon and TG.
I would really appreciate if you went through the last pages and told me what you think of this exchange between me and the two of them, and the points I brought up against Cora.
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I saw those posts Cora, but the problem I was having was rather with you not explaining why TG was supposed to be scum, which is part of my case for you being scum.
You call him scum for reasons you don't give, you vote some other guy, you don't engage in a conversation with somebody else to try and persuade him to lynch TG, you give him a townread for reasons you don't give, just saying his posts look good and that he's scumhunting, you trust your check and complain about bastard hosts at the same time.
Hence, I'm asking you again, cause it's not in your filter: Why did you think TG was such "obvious" scum in the first place?
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Oh, and just cause you tell me I'm not reading, i think you deserve being pointed to something you missed yourself, which would have made clear to you perfectly what I was asking for.
On July 28 2013 07:49 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote + I've explained my TG read and I've explained my other reads. The fact that you think that my proposed scumteam is TG/Onegu/Kirby basically says to me that you have not read my filter and that you are making an uninformed and therefore bad attack on me. Actually, that's my proposed scumteam, not yours. Anyway, I'm all ears and would like to see where you explained your TG read.
My current knowledge is that townies like to talk about their scumreads, and don't have much trouble remembering their reasons for suspecting them.
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Oh and this made it abundantly clear too.
But I realize you don't really want to talk abot that stuff, it'd probably force you to make stuff up 
On July 28 2013 07:22 Vivax wrote:
Cora. Need you to tell me why you wanted TG lynched, and why you trust your check so much in light of sanities and host mistakes that you abruptly stopped pursuing him.
If you're town, calm down and tell me how likely you think that the scumteam is TG/Onegu/Kirby, cause if you're town and assuming there's so many scum, that's my conclusion with my current knowledge and suspects, and there is no reason for you to start capsraging at me for being suspicious of a claim that has multiple issues.
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I don't think FT is scum, dunno where you got that notion.
I also think that kirby is town, newb town specifically, from skimming his filter. His position on the TAA wagon looked bad, but his reasons don't appear scummy to me. He seems sincere, and sticks to his Oats read in a way that suggests he really believed it, also didn't give me the impression of posting in a nervous/afraid way.
I really hope I can switch this to TG/Cora or town ends up being in the shit imo.
Kinda sucks for me if kirby flips scum instead lol. But that's how I see him.
Everyone who switches to Cora or TG gets some love.
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JJD, I'm going to be blunt, I need you to join the wagons I'm proposing, cause I'm confident that my guesses are the right ones, and I want to win this game for realz.
See my summary on Cora for reference, or the whole conversation for that matter please.
If you think some point about kirby looks scummy and warrants his lynch, point me to it and I'll tell you what I think of it.
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It's really late here and I don't think I have to add much more.
TG has been spared D1 by confirmed flipped scum.
Corazon does all sorts of scummy shit.
Kirby, I hope you actually invest some time into the game right now.
VE, if you see this, I hope you do the switch and realized I'm as townie as I can get and that the arguments for cora + TG being scum are strong.
JJD, I don't know you well, dude, just read and make your decision, I hope it'll be the correct one.
Onegu, ditto. Still not sure if you're town, but if you are, rethink this game hard, and ask yourself if kirby is really scum, also give me your opinion on my exchange with cora and TG please 
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I don't regret lynching Cora at all. He made mistakes during his claim, refused to cooperate, didn't push his scumreads properly. To his defense we now know that hosts handled his role in a strange way, but that's about it.
If he ended up being town, then we can conclude that he didn't do properly what he had to do as town, appearing townie and pushing scum over town.
That said, waiting to see how the night turns up cause if there are 3 scum left, it's gg, if it's two we'll have another day.
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What actually pisses me off is that I wanted to lynch TG but then Cora started behaving like a jackass, I found that bad looking shit in his filter and it moved me off my at the time primary suspect to an initially secondary suspect :/
I'm surprised Tofu goes all like "no please sowy I was wrong I do whatever you say pls don't lynch me" actually, I don't feel that way at all for lynching Cora.
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On July 29 2013 02:50 TanGeng wrote:
@VE & Marv
Onegu was totally looking for a veteran to sheep and I'm looking at you.
After yesterday's mess, I'll be available if you ever want to hear and breakdown my case against FirmTofu & austinmcc/Vivax.
If you think I've got my read right, then you can make one last appeal and lead these townies to victory.
Bring forth your case on me thanks. I can't speak for austin, but I can speak for myself.
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On July 29 2013 08:22 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 06:35 Vivax wrote:On July 28 2013 06:13 FirmTofu wrote:
vivax, are you out there? Can you vote today? Do you think TG/Cora is a likely scum team? Why or why not? I posted the part I found iffy about Cora's claim alreadz. I also voted, TG. Kirby does look odd and I found him mainly scummy for his position on the TAA wagon, if he is though, then he has been bussed, which fits into the way the DrH slot played, first push him, find a reason to shoot someone else, then push him again. I don't find DrH's slots' reasons for his read 180s very credible. Your DT checks tell us nothing, DT should have stayed silent until he had a chance to check somebody else he was sure of being town. Now we don't know if he's insane or paranoid. Thing is though, Cora's claim timing was scummy and looked like it was designed to save TAA, again, sub-optimal play for a DT to claim in that situation in any case. He should have kept the role secret and watched how the flip went, and then adjust his scumreads accordingly without using his role as a reason, but meh, doesn't really matter anymore. That leads us to Cora still being alive after his claim, I don't know his checks atm, but I've gotten from the thread that he's supposedly sane?That leads us to the question why scum would leave him alive then. Cause of that, I'd probably not lynch him today and consider him for lynch if he survives another night and depending on the check he returns. Lucky for us, he can't claim RB. As conclusion, I stick to the opinion that we should lynch TG for being alive after D1, I'm suspicious of DrH's behavior during that day, and anyone not wanting to lynch TGis banking on the fact that a flipped scum somehow missed the deadline, and not just that, cause TG's lynch wasn't exactly last minute shit. Question: Who replaced Zephirdd? I didn't like his last post during D1. This post is disgusting. Really disgusting. Why would Cora ever have died before getmoript, the DT with a redcheck and red-lynch? Cora's claim timing was pretty damn townie as I've explained before. Ewwwww Vivax. Eww.
Good argument, but hindsight, and late. Furthermore, your other head did seem to have a few doubts about your conclusion.
What are your conclusions regarding my general play, aside from this post where you found something I didn't reach a right conclusion from.
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On July 29 2013 08:57 FiveTouch wrote:
Like given you replaced in, you must have had to READ the thread, and you'd have read the progression getmo claims DT -> lynches TAA -> gets killed at night -> then yesterday happened.
You should damn well KNOW why Corazon wasn't killed at night. Why didn't you know that?
There was a Vanilla Rayn kill in between afaik.
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Marv, you mention the NK reason for lynching Cora as being insufficient, but I feel my other arguments were fairly strong.
What about my argument for TG being scum since TAA didn't get him lynched D1?
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Thus, if Vivax votes kirby, Vivax is probably town. If Vivax doesn't vote kirby, Vivax is probably scum.
Unfortunately, I just typed all this and posted it so he's probably going to read this and WIFOM it. I'm betting that he doesn't. After all, I typed this to anticipate the WIFOM play and force it.
Wow. Just wow.
Have you ever tried actually finding out if I'm scum cause of, you know, all of my play?
Do you think all of my reasons for lynching Cora were made up?No, they were as good as yours, if you are town. Which makes it strange that you are suspicious of me for that lynch when you should have been as convinced of it as I were.
May I ask why you got all angsty and submissive once Cora flipped town?
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On July 29 2013 19:25 Onegu wrote:
What are your current reads vivax?
I would actually like to hear what TG did that was so townie in light of him being spared by scum D1.Did he get checked?Did he make a hammer case on scum?
I'm still not caught up yet and also in another game,if all of town really thinks I should be voting kirby, I probably should, but first I want to know the deal about TG.
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On July 29 2013 20:23 Onegu wrote:
Yes he was checked green by cora. Which doesnt mean to much with sanitys but just feels like after day one he has played pro townie. Also he claims he was roleblocked night 1, and after the scum roleblocker died no more rb claims were made, which makes it likely he was telling the truth, and I dont see scum roleblocking thier own player.
I claimed fake roleblock as scum,too.
Do you think scum had a good reason to roleblock the guy who just survived D1?
If anything, he had a good reason to fake a roleblock on himself.
We don't know sanities.
All we know is that this guy has NOT been lynched by scum D1.
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