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On July 13 2013 08:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 08:43 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 08:41 Umasi wrote:On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we?
Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? On July 13 2013 08:20 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 08:07 StiMaDDict wrote:
I can only look at jrkirby's post as a pressure vote at this point. He didn't seem to be the type to joke around from the pre game though.
This post is scummy. Gives a reason for jkirbys post and then casts doubt on it. U scum? I'd be very interested in hearing your explanation as to why you honestly think this is scummy. I certainly wouldn't post that if I were scum, it is nothing but a good thing for town. Why WOULD he want to post that as scum? to look town. Scum love to spew general pro town thingsvto get ez town cred.. This is correct. In general, these sorts of posts should result in a null read in a veteran game. But Early Day 1, when it's generally assumed nothing interesting is happening, seemed like a good time to get PSA's out of the way for a newbie crowd. The info is valuable, but it should not get me town cred. It's more important to me that there's a town consensus on the actual content of the post, not my alignment. (Plenty of time for that later.)
His first post should be null. And this post he says in a vet game it should result in a null read. Why not say all games, its very sutuble but very good and as scum why say THANKS FOR THE TOWN CRED ILL TAKE IT ALL no you say no thanks.
Anyway really look at my reason that we didnt need the tribunal. It is really important to my case.
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And really look at what the tribunal acomplished.
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Pzzzz *grog*
Mornin
CRAP IT'S 8 I NEED TO DRIVE TO AZ TODAY- I should have yesterday, what am I stressing over?
So Onegu's case is all that happened overnight yet it's plenty of homework! Shall read, go to AZ, and post thoughts somewhere in between...
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On July 16 2013 22:27 Onegu wrote:
And really look at what the tribunal acomplished.
Invited Svengali but whatever.
Hey your case works but not perfect lemme look at that monster again already forget why
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Oh yeah him being wrong about qt- does this not point to him being null, he could make same mistake town or scum
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On July 17 2013 00:56 Alakaslam wrote:
Oh yeah him being wrong about qt- does this not point to him being null, he could make same mistake town or scum
Null to slightly scummy, why even bring it up, as there is no way to know for sure. He is reaching a conclusion based on a complete unknown.
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On July 16 2013 12:06 Nightcat99 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
The three scummiest people in the game (Kirby, Koshi, Xzav) are on the Super wagon. thats totally not true here because 2 of them is dead and the scummiest people is got ot be on the kirby wagon since scum knows hes a townie.His claim to being roleblock is super strange too, i dont see that doing anything for the town but its a great way to get towncredit.
This point is moot if it was a town/town wagon. I don't agree with Nightcat's logic on a lot of the points he's made. I'm also still concerned about him trying to get info on how we'd react if scum shot one of the Tribunal. It could just be bad townie play, but it blinks bright red to me as scum trying to get town consensus going into the NK flip.
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I'm not sure if it's helpful to speculate on the SK at this point, but I think I can make a case on Xzavier being SK. Unfortunately, we need SK to shoot scum tonight (and vote for a Scum lynch today) if he isn't lynched Day 2, or else we're in a situation where a mislynch Day 2 leads to 5/3/1. Assuming scum hit their NK Night 2, that makes us 4/3/1, and if SK misses his shot it's GG.
Can any of the veteran players shed insight on whether it's worthwhile at this time for me to try to chase down the SK?
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On July 17 2013 01:51 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 12:06 Nightcat99 wrote:On July 15 2013 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
The three scummiest people in the game (Kirby, Koshi, Xzav) are on the Super wagon. thats totally not true here because 2 of them is dead and the scummiest people is got ot be on the kirby wagon since scum knows hes a townie.His claim to being roleblock is super strange too, i dont see that doing anything for the town but its a great way to get towncredit. This point is moot if it was a town/town wagon. I don't agree with Nightcat's logic on a lot of the points he's made. I'm also still concerned about him trying to get info on how we'd react if scum shot one of the Tribunal. It could just be bad townie play, but it blinks bright red to me as scum trying to get town consensus going into the NK flip.
Arent you the one that was pushing for a lynch on either super or kirby , why are you so convince its a town/town wagon now when super didnt show up to do much after the day 1 end.
and if i was trying to get reaction for killing a tribunal , wont it have been better to just shoot a tribunal?
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Filter-diving Rainbows, he actually didn't give a lot of scum reads. One of his last posts FoS's Gotard, but it's not really passionate or compelling.
On July 16 2013 05:23 Rainbows wrote:
We're lynching Gotard tomorrow btw guise.
Chrom, your case on me is bad. It boils down to me lynching the guy you wanted, and not really caring. Nobody wanted to lynch Gotard so I lynched the other dude. I can't really oppose the lynch when all I can do is watch and write little snippets from my phone at work.
Did some more diving, and Rainbows may have been tunneling Gotard all game. Check his filter and control-F 'Gotard':
On July 14 2013 03:30 Rainbows wrote:I think Gotard is mafia His first post is a giant list that accomplishes next to nothing and provides little original. Lists are generally an easy way to feign contribution while doing jack. + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2013 19:53 Gotard wrote:Hello! After some lurking (jk I was sleeping) i'd like to share my thoughts: 1) hzflank - cold, calculated. Null read. 2) StiMaDDict - bad town. It would be too easy if he's mafia. 3) Chromatically - I think he's pushing stim too hard (he's agressive in general) but at the same time it's good for town to see some bandwagons going 4) jrkirby - confuses me a little.But he has a similar view on StiMaDDict as i do. Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 13:38 jrkirby wrote:
I don't think he's town. I think he's stupid, and have a nullread. 5) Koshi - inexperienced or lurking hard. 6) Xzavier - one good post Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 04:58 Xzavier wrote:
its fine, all i have to do is show supporting evidence and never try to make my own case on gotard. No wait, that one was good. Need to see some more activity from him to have a read. I don't agree that lynching lurker is better than no lynch (9v3 > 8v3) 7) Rainbows - A lot of posts with minimum impact seems more townie than mafia. Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 10:42 Rainbows wrote:
I play exactly the same as scum and town imo.
wtf? 8) Nightcat99 - lurking newbie. 9) Umasi - Very aggressive same as last game I played with him (He was town). 11) Hurricane Sponge - biggest town read. Really liked this post. 12) Superfluous - Town vibe. 13) cloud-9 - US timezone and 0 posts. He also seems apprehensive about making decisions. In the following he notes that he is "confused. . . not sure of anything", as if he doesn't want to take responsibility for his scum reads. His jokes (see below and above) are also punctuated with (jk) like he really doesn't want to be taken seriously. "Just incase you guys were wondering, that's a joke post" -MLuneth, scum. On July 13 2013 20:12 Gotard wrote:Easy question. Umasi and Xzavier!!! (jk)
I'm really confused because my biggest (biggest doesn't mean that i'm really sure of anything) scum reads don't think that Stim is mafia. Maybe they don't want to vote on him because they know that this is too easy and don't want to jump on him that early. Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 19:57 Chromatically wrote:
Why don't you think that Stim is scum? He looks like a bad town not like mafia. The rest of Gotard's filter is calling Stim not mafia. He's obviously bad town guise and not mafia.. he knows? Anyway, Gotard has a low post count, does lists, and seems nervous about things when he really shouldn't be if town. I think he's scum. Discuss. ##Vote: Gotard
On July 14 2013 04:20 Rainbows wrote:
Consider Gotard, he is mafia. Fairly inactive and scummy. Good lynch.
On July 14 2013 07:45 Rainbows wrote:Gotard still scummy guise  .. whenever i get home ill revote cus u guys dont wanna kill him. im feeling jrkirby is the better lynch, I'll case it later.
On July 15 2013 05:20 Rainbows wrote:
I think gotard is scum, nobody listened tho.
kirby and super could be anything.
He's subtle about it (that may be being nice. I could just as easily say 'lazy'), but if the NK was a protection-kill, Gotard deserves a second look out of respect to a fallen townie.
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On July 17 2013 02:06 Nightcat99 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 01:51 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 16 2013 12:06 Nightcat99 wrote:On July 15 2013 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
The three scummiest people in the game (Kirby, Koshi, Xzav) are on the Super wagon. thats totally not true here because 2 of them is dead and the scummiest people is got ot be on the kirby wagon since scum knows hes a townie.His claim to being roleblock is super strange too, i dont see that doing anything for the town but its a great way to get towncredit. This point is moot if it was a town/town wagon. I don't agree with Nightcat's logic on a lot of the points he's made. I'm also still concerned about him trying to get info on how we'd react if scum shot one of the Tribunal. It could just be bad townie play, but it blinks bright red to me as scum trying to get town consensus going into the NK flip. Arent you the one that was pushing for a lynch on either super or kirby , why are you so convince its a town/town wagon now when super didnt show up to do much after the day 1 end.and if i was trying to get reaction for killing a tribunal , wont it have been better to just shoot a tribunal?
You know what, that's a good point. Super could still be scum. I demoted him to 'lurker' status, and he still hasn't independently posted content without being directly pressured.
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However i do agree with the number stacking up to be bad for us if we have a mislynch , that and the fact the 3 that die are all VT, the chance of having a blue mislynch is much higher, however i am still in support of a lynch everyday.
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nightcat we need to lynch, if we dont it will put us in an event worse spot. and even though we risk a higher chance of mislynchign blue we get a higher chance of hitting scum as well.
but you still have to try.
anyway im off to work for 8 hours, use the good old @Xzavier to ask me something short and sweet and ill try to respond during lunch.breaks.
when i get home im going to contemplate dropping calc or running away from home, so i might check in here
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Running with that, if Super is scum, the next logical avenue to chase down is the Kirby lynch. If Superfluous is scum, then either he was bussed, or there were scum entrenched on the Kirby wagon. StiM/Onegu, Chromatically, and Gotard were the three entrenched votes. I don't think Onegu/StiM or Chromatically are scum (and Chrom offered that his vote was semi-mobile). But it's hard to believe that only one scum (Gotard, in this case) was on a wagon to save their team. So I guess a Day 1 bus is possible.
Chasing down the Bus Super avenue, that'd tag HZ as the only likely scum on that wagon (as the guy who started the wagon). Now, hz is a phenomenal mafia player, but that's a hell of a play. He was ready to paint his face and go to war to get Super lynched. Everyone has to make that call on their own. I don't think scum would bus like that, and most of the thread thinks hz is town.
Neither of these scenarios seem as likely as a town/town wagon with an arbitrary distribution of scumvotes to me.
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On July 15 2013 11:59 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 11:51 Umasi wrote:
I think he's townier than a lot of people give him credit for, but whatever. my reads are apparently worth jack in the face of mighty Alakaslam.
by the way
you are literally trying to build post flip cred by saying "oh I think kirby's town. Wait, he's town? WHAT A COINKIDINK!"
I have a hard time believing that you'd just enter the thread and be like "huh the games been going on, and I'm in it. That means someone was modkilled, or requested a replacement, which will occur at the end of the day."
"huh it must be the middle of the day."
I'd assume that the first thing you did was LOOK AT THE RESULT. Ok, I'm sorry for being so bombastic but after the Mind rape that is NWM this game looks solved practically. But when I think about it, I always look scummy too, so I'll read like suggested. But holy shizang you are right, my confidence has shot to 10,000%
Alakaslam (and welcome to the jam): Tell us what you were thinking in this moment, even though I know your feelings may have shifted from this point.
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And i would like to point out that although my case are not strong i have made a case against Gotard already and hes been lurking hard for a while now.
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@hurricane
Defend thyself before I sleep.
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Gotard is a strong lynch candidate, but it's a long day. It's important to make secondary reads (and even tertiary reads from there) to remain flexible and bring more to the thread than just Tunnel Vision.
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On July 17 2013 02:31 Onegu wrote:
@hurricane
Defend thyself before I sleep.
I'll defend once I see the rest of the scum jump on your wagon. Right now, it's solo pressure and I don't respect it. Once I get some votes on me, I'll refute what I need to, but for now, I'm going to scumhunt.
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