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On July 17 2013 02:34 Hurricane Sponge wrote:I'll defend once I see the rest of the scum jump on your wagon. Right now, it's solo pressure and I don't respect it. Once I get some votes on me, I'll refute what I need to, but for now, I'm going to scumhunt.
What?
This is just mindlessly throwing shit, calling anyone that votes for you scum, You're not giving your opinion because you "don't respect" his case?
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@ everyone
Even if you dont agree with me fake it and force him to defend thyself. Dont let him ignore pressure. If he is scum why would his scummates bus him, he is trying to intimidate you saying I DONT RESPECT HIS CASE AND IF YOU AGREE WITH IT YOU ARE SCUM.
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On July 15 2013 15:57 Onegu wrote:
Scumteam
Hurricane
Koshi
Rainbow/gotard
I am really confidant in my hurricane read btw, he made sure he led the council and could make sure we never got off a town/town bandwagon. Alot of his posts just seem like he wants town cred, unlike last game.
I'd also recommend you develop your secondary reads, Onegu. Otherwise you're going to waste a day tunneling.
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On July 17 2013 02:37 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 02:34 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 17 2013 02:31 Onegu wrote:
@hurricane
Defend thyself before I sleep. I'll defend once I see the rest of the scum jump on your wagon. Right now, it's solo pressure and I don't respect it. Once I get some votes on me, I'll refute what I need to, but for now, I'm going to scumhunt. What? This is just mindlessly throwing shit, calling anyone that votes for you scum, You're not giving your opinion because you "don't respect" his case?
I've publicly stated that I think the mafia's play was to run with the Onegu FoS which is what saved me from the NK. I'm willing to wait to see who piles on before I refute the case. Is gathering reads in this manner unacceptable?
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On July 17 2013 02:40 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 15:57 Onegu wrote:
Scumteam
Hurricane
Koshi
Rainbow/gotard
I am really confidant in my hurricane read btw, he made sure he led the council and could make sure we never got off a town/town bandwagon. Alot of his posts just seem like he wants town cred, unlike last game. I'd also recommend you develop your secondary reads, Onegu. Otherwise you're going to waste a day tunneling.
Dont worry about me I will post other reads, I dont mind tunneling if I feel I am correct and I want to keep focus on you until you defend yourself.
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On July 15 2013 13:43 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 07:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 15 2013 07:19 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 06:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 05:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
I'd be on board for a gotard hammer if someone can make a good case that mafia are on this wagon pushing for a mislynch. You don't think that Mafia are on that wagon? From my position you are on the scummy wagon.I am reading Gotard again. I did not think that the cases against him were strong, but on the other hand Gotard's filter after 24 hours was horrible. The problem that I have with reading his more recent posts is that I am struggling to separate an alignment read from a personality read. I think Gotard could very well be scum, but I still think that Super is more likely. If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Elaborate on this if you can, hz. Gotard is scummy. Stim is still at least in the top 5 of my scum list. Nightcat is a lurker who just randomly added his vote. Chrom is neutral at best. At best that wagon has 2 scummy, 2 neutral and 2 townie players on it. The other wagon has Umasi, who I think is townie. Xzavier who is neutral (too much lurking, his posts are not good enough to make up for that that much lurking) and Koshi. Some other people have been calling Koshi scum recently, but I have him as neutral. Mmmmmmmmm nope. I like Chrom's answer better: On July 15 2013 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
The three scummiest people in the game (Kirby, Koshi, Xzav) are on the Super wagon. Hurricane did you get enough sleep before this? Three scummiest in a mini, while he votes on another! And town consensus is on a fifth!
This confused me to. Not like, your logic confused me, but literally the words in that order confused me. Can you clarify this point if it's still relevant?
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On July 17 2013 02:42 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 02:40 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 15 2013 15:57 Onegu wrote:
Scumteam
Hurricane
Koshi
Rainbow/gotard
I am really confidant in my hurricane read btw, he made sure he led the council and could make sure we never got off a town/town bandwagon. Alot of his posts just seem like he wants town cred, unlike last game. I'd also recommend you develop your secondary reads, Onegu. Otherwise you're going to waste a day tunneling. Dont worry about me I will post other reads, I dont mind tunneling if I feel I am correct and I want to keep focus on you until you defend yourself.
Good stuff. Sorry if it feels like I'm wasting your time, but I honestly believe we'll learn something by having me as one of the wagons for Early Day 2.
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On July 17 2013 02:41 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 02:37 Chromatically wrote:On July 17 2013 02:34 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 17 2013 02:31 Onegu wrote:
@hurricane
Defend thyself before I sleep. I'll defend once I see the rest of the scum jump on your wagon. Right now, it's solo pressure and I don't respect it. Once I get some votes on me, I'll refute what I need to, but for now, I'm going to scumhunt. What? This is just mindlessly throwing shit, calling anyone that votes for you scum, You're not giving your opinion because you "don't respect" his case? I've publicly stated that I think the mafia's play was to run with the Onegu FoS which is what saved me from the NK. I'm willing to wait to see who piles on before I refute the case. Is gathering reads in this manner unacceptable?
Why do you think that scum are going to push for your mislynch?
Do you think Onegu is scum?
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On July 13 2013 08:44 Umasi wrote:
yeah, but rainbows
there's a problem with that
scum don't want to spew pro town crap, that's
uh
PRO
TOWN
First umasi are you 4rlz here?
That is exactly what scum want to do, I coach you on game setup, how to find scum, anything you ask I will help town.
Why? Because when I do this I get town cred for something you would find out anyway. That first post of hurricanes is all things people would find out as the game went no matter what but hurricane being first to post it make it look very townie, but is really not in anyway townie.
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On July 17 2013 02:41 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 02:37 Chromatically wrote:On July 17 2013 02:34 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 17 2013 02:31 Onegu wrote:
@hurricane
Defend thyself before I sleep. I'll defend once I see the rest of the scum jump on your wagon. Right now, it's solo pressure and I don't respect it. Once I get some votes on me, I'll refute what I need to, but for now, I'm going to scumhunt. What? This is just mindlessly throwing shit, calling anyone that votes for you scum, You're not giving your opinion because you "don't respect" his case? I've publicly stated that I think the mafia's play was to run with the Onegu FoS which is what saved me from the NK. I'm willing to wait to see who piles on before I refute the case. Is gathering reads in this manner unacceptable?
Did Onegu's night post really put you under so much pressure that you were worried of being lynched on day 2? You were not the only person that Onegu attacked during the night, so there was no reason to expect him to tunnel you on day 2.
Also, I am not going to let you tell me who I can or cannot vote for on day 2, when you tried to tell me not to move my vote on day 1 while you were controlling 4 other votes.
And you scum-slipped.
##Vote: Hurricane Sponge
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On July 13 2013 09:05 Umasi wrote:
Kirby, I disagree.
Scum has more than one goal in a game, believe it or not. It's not just to build towncred, otherwise being scum would be easy. (imo)
Since all you'd have to do is be like me in the past game and post so fucking much and so irrationally that you won't get lynched
And the first time alakaslam roles scum he will win, this I am 100% sure.
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i just wanted to point out that i have been reading the guides for mafia and it clearly stated
Priority #1: Establishing Your Innocence
so hurricane not willing to explain his case because there is only one finger pointing at him is kind of odd so
points finger.
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On July 17 2013 02:46 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 02:41 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 17 2013 02:37 Chromatically wrote:On July 17 2013 02:34 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 17 2013 02:31 Onegu wrote:
@hurricane
Defend thyself before I sleep. I'll defend once I see the rest of the scum jump on your wagon. Right now, it's solo pressure and I don't respect it. Once I get some votes on me, I'll refute what I need to, but for now, I'm going to scumhunt. What? This is just mindlessly throwing shit, calling anyone that votes for you scum, You're not giving your opinion because you "don't respect" his case? I've publicly stated that I think the mafia's play was to run with the Onegu FoS which is what saved me from the NK. I'm willing to wait to see who piles on before I refute the case. Is gathering reads in this manner unacceptable? Why do you think that scum are going to push for your mislynch? Do you think Onegu is scum?
No, I think Onegu is town. (He's posting like town, and I had a town read by the end on StiM). I was sure that I was the NK target early Night 1, which is why I was actually happy/sad to see Onegu start pressuring me hard. I figured if the Mafia decided they could back his case with 3 votes, they'd just need to convince just two townies to hop on to secure a mislynch, and they'd be able to get rid of one of the most active pro-town posters in the game. However, the points Onegu was making in Night 1 were weak (and I believe I've addressed all of them already. If I missed one, let me know) so I wasn't sure if they'd go for it. (For a while, I entertained the idea that Onegu was fake pressuring for the sole purpose of saving my life that night, because his arguments were pretty bad and filled with confirmation bias.)
Lo and behold, I was not targeted for the NK and immediately hz starts jumping on me for a very flimsy reason after Onegu re-affirms his pressure. Everything looked exactly like I thought it would if the scum were following the plan. Fortunately, this pressure didn't surprise me, and I am well prepared for the next 24 hours.
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On July 17 2013 02:51 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 02:41 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 17 2013 02:37 Chromatically wrote:On July 17 2013 02:34 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 17 2013 02:31 Onegu wrote:
@hurricane
Defend thyself before I sleep. I'll defend once I see the rest of the scum jump on your wagon. Right now, it's solo pressure and I don't respect it. Once I get some votes on me, I'll refute what I need to, but for now, I'm going to scumhunt. What? This is just mindlessly throwing shit, calling anyone that votes for you scum, You're not giving your opinion because you "don't respect" his case? I've publicly stated that I think the mafia's play was to run with the Onegu FoS which is what saved me from the NK. I'm willing to wait to see who piles on before I refute the case. Is gathering reads in this manner unacceptable? Did Onegu's night post really put you under so much pressure that you were worried of being lynched on day 2? You were not the only person that Onegu attacked during the night, so there was no reason to expect him to tunnel you on day 2. Also, I am not going to let you tell me who I can or cannot vote for on day 2, when you tried to tell me not to move my vote on day 1 while you were controlling 4 other votes. And you scum-slipped. ##Vote: Hurricane Sponge
Haha, read his filter and tell me I had no way of knowing Onegu would pressure me. And you're going to learn something very valuable about claiming 'scum-slips' in endgame. But regardless, I'm leaning scum (or over-confident town) on you, and your vote has been acknowledged.
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On July 17 2013 02:17 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Running with that, if Super is scum, the next logical avenue to chase down is the Kirby lynch. If Superfluous is scum, then either he was bussed, or there were scum entrenched on the Kirby wagon. StiM/Onegu, Chromatically, and Gotard were the three entrenched votes. I don't think Onegu/StiM or Chromatically are scum (and Chrom offered that his vote was semi-mobile). But it's hard to believe that only one scum (Gotard, in this case) was on a wagon to save their team. So I guess a Day 1 bus is possible.
Chasing down the Bus Super avenue, that'd tag HZ as the only likely scum on that wagon (as the guy who started the wagon). Now, hz is a phenomenal mafia player, but that's a hell of a play. He was ready to paint his face and go to war to get Super lynched. Everyone has to make that call on their own. I don't think scum would bus like that, and most of the thread thinks hz is town.
Neither of these scenarios seem as likely as a town/town wagon with an arbitrary distribution of scumvotes to me.
Is this association stuff the only reason why Super is town?
Also, why did you think that scum would jump on you after you PUBLICLY pointed out several times that you thought scum would jump on you?
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On July 17 2013 02:57 Nightcat99 wrote:
i just wanted to point out that i have been reading the guides for mafia and it clearly stated
Priority #1: Establishing Your Innocence
so hurricane not willing to explain his case because there is only one finger pointing at him is kind of odd so
points finger.
I established my innocence via quality posting. I'll refute the individual arguments when I feel the time is right. For now, get your vote on me if you actually think I'm scum. Otherwise, let's see some hunting, not sheeping.
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On July 17 2013 03:00 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 02:17 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Running with that, if Super is scum, the next logical avenue to chase down is the Kirby lynch. If Superfluous is scum, then either he was bussed, or there were scum entrenched on the Kirby wagon. StiM/Onegu, Chromatically, and Gotard were the three entrenched votes. I don't think Onegu/StiM or Chromatically are scum (and Chrom offered that his vote was semi-mobile). But it's hard to believe that only one scum (Gotard, in this case) was on a wagon to save their team. So I guess a Day 1 bus is possible.
Chasing down the Bus Super avenue, that'd tag HZ as the only likely scum on that wagon (as the guy who started the wagon). Now, hz is a phenomenal mafia player, but that's a hell of a play. He was ready to paint his face and go to war to get Super lynched. Everyone has to make that call on their own. I don't think scum would bus like that, and most of the thread thinks hz is town.
Neither of these scenarios seem as likely as a town/town wagon with an arbitrary distribution of scumvotes to me. Is this association stuff the only reason why Super is town? Also, why did you think that scum would jump on you after you PUBLICLY pointed out several times that you thought scum would jump on you?
So it wouldn't be written off as just OMGUS.
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On July 17 2013 03:02 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 03:00 Chromatically wrote:On July 17 2013 02:17 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Running with that, if Super is scum, the next logical avenue to chase down is the Kirby lynch. If Superfluous is scum, then either he was bussed, or there were scum entrenched on the Kirby wagon. StiM/Onegu, Chromatically, and Gotard were the three entrenched votes. I don't think Onegu/StiM or Chromatically are scum (and Chrom offered that his vote was semi-mobile). But it's hard to believe that only one scum (Gotard, in this case) was on a wagon to save their team. So I guess a Day 1 bus is possible.
Chasing down the Bus Super avenue, that'd tag HZ as the only likely scum on that wagon (as the guy who started the wagon). Now, hz is a phenomenal mafia player, but that's a hell of a play. He was ready to paint his face and go to war to get Super lynched. Everyone has to make that call on their own. I don't think scum would bus like that, and most of the thread thinks hz is town.
Neither of these scenarios seem as likely as a town/town wagon with an arbitrary distribution of scumvotes to me. Is this association stuff the only reason why Super is town? Also, why did you think that scum would jump on you after you PUBLICLY pointed out several times that you thought scum would jump on you? So it wouldn't be written off as just OMGUS.
That doesn't answer the question (either of them). Why would scum go "this guy expects us to jump on his wagon, we should obviously do that"?
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On July 17 2013 03:03 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 03:02 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 17 2013 03:00 Chromatically wrote:On July 17 2013 02:17 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Running with that, if Super is scum, the next logical avenue to chase down is the Kirby lynch. If Superfluous is scum, then either he was bussed, or there were scum entrenched on the Kirby wagon. StiM/Onegu, Chromatically, and Gotard were the three entrenched votes. I don't think Onegu/StiM or Chromatically are scum (and Chrom offered that his vote was semi-mobile). But it's hard to believe that only one scum (Gotard, in this case) was on a wagon to save their team. So I guess a Day 1 bus is possible.
Chasing down the Bus Super avenue, that'd tag HZ as the only likely scum on that wagon (as the guy who started the wagon). Now, hz is a phenomenal mafia player, but that's a hell of a play. He was ready to paint his face and go to war to get Super lynched. Everyone has to make that call on their own. I don't think scum would bus like that, and most of the thread thinks hz is town.
Neither of these scenarios seem as likely as a town/town wagon with an arbitrary distribution of scumvotes to me. Is this association stuff the only reason why Super is town? Also, why did you think that scum would jump on you after you PUBLICLY pointed out several times that you thought scum would jump on you? So it wouldn't be written off as just OMGUS. That doesn't answer the question (either of them). Why would scum go "this guy expects us to jump on his wagon, we should obviously do that"?
It's win-win. If they don't jump on me, then I won't die. If they do, then it gives us reads on scum. There's another reason that I'm not quite ready to share yet (time-sensitive), but I promise I will share it if it looks like my lynch is inevitable.
(The above bolded is the reason I'm making this play)
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On July 17 2013 02:59 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 02:51 hzflank wrote:On July 17 2013 02:41 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 17 2013 02:37 Chromatically wrote:On July 17 2013 02:34 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 17 2013 02:31 Onegu wrote:
@hurricane
Defend thyself before I sleep. I'll defend once I see the rest of the scum jump on your wagon. Right now, it's solo pressure and I don't respect it. Once I get some votes on me, I'll refute what I need to, but for now, I'm going to scumhunt. What? This is just mindlessly throwing shit, calling anyone that votes for you scum, You're not giving your opinion because you "don't respect" his case? I've publicly stated that I think the mafia's play was to run with the Onegu FoS which is what saved me from the NK. I'm willing to wait to see who piles on before I refute the case. Is gathering reads in this manner unacceptable? Did Onegu's night post really put you under so much pressure that you were worried of being lynched on day 2? You were not the only person that Onegu attacked during the night, so there was no reason to expect him to tunnel you on day 2. Also, I am not going to let you tell me who I can or cannot vote for on day 2, when you tried to tell me not to move my vote on day 1 while you were controlling 4 other votes. And you scum-slipped. ##Vote: Hurricane Sponge Haha, read his filter and tell me I had no way of knowing Onegu would pressure me. And you're going to learn something very valuable about claiming 'scum-slips' in endgame. But regardless, I'm leaning scum (or over-confident town) on you, and your vote has been acknowledged.
As it happened I just read his filter before I posted that (I thought I spotted an inconsistency from Onegu, but I was wrong). It looked like he might pressure you, but not enough to force you to go into turtle mode. It certainly was not strong enough to make me think that scum would act on it in any way.
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