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On July 17 2013 03:39 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 03:37 Onegu wrote:On July 17 2013 03:33 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 17 2013 03:20 Onegu wrote:
Really that is just a small part, the big thing is you created a group of people who you made sure was ok with either lynch, and then made sure it stayed where it was. And you said it was needed, but in reality was in no way needed. Read the thread. I actually floated the idea of moving the lynch to someone else before the deadline once we had the votes. That's one of the weaker points of your argument to me. Read the posts before the deadline carefully: You'll see it was Umasi, StiM(yourself) and Xzavier who resisted the lynch: On July 15 2013 08:31 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
DOUBLE SECRET TRIBUNAL MEETING
Attn: If you are not part of the Incredible Tribunal For Make Great Benefit Lynching Daily, you must stop reading this post now and cover your eyes.
Alright, now that all the legit folks are in here, I think we've gotten some useful information. We've confirmed that we control 4 mobile votes today (this may change in the future). Sponge, Umasi, Rainbows, Nightcat.
In addition, we have two semi-mobile votes in Chromatically (probably) and hzflank (maybe probably), both unconfirmed however. We could go after the scummiest Other. The more I think about Rainbow's 'town-town' claim, the more it seems like a possibility. I'm still leaning Super as scummiest, but we can talk about that after I get thoughts on the following play:
We could totally drop Gotard or Koshi tonight if we wanted.
Koshi is in the 'too scum to be scum' category for me right now. Gonna dive his filter. Gotard is gotard. For right now, I want tribunal thoughts on this play. The resistance to moving off the established wagons: On July 15 2013 08:33 Umasi wrote:
WHISPER WHISPER
Gotard, I do not think, is the best lynch
Koshi has said some good stuff, said some absolutely shit stuff, and is absolutely going to be incompetent as we get later in the game. I still think this is not town-town. On July 15 2013 08:34 Xzavier wrote:On July 15 2013 08:31 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
DOUBLE SECRET TRIBUNAL MEETING
Attn: If you are not part of the Incredible Tribunal For Make Great Benefit Lynching Daily, you must stop reading this post now and cover your eyes.
Alright, now that all the legit folks are in here, I think we've gotten some useful information. We've confirmed that we control 4 mobile votes today (this may change in the future). Sponge, Umasi, Rainbows, Nightcat.
In addition, we have two semi-mobile votes in Chromatically (probably) and hzflank (maybe probably), both unconfirmed however. We could go after the scummiest Other. The more I think about Rainbow's 'town-town' claim, the more it seems like a possibility. I'm still leaning Super as scummiest, but we can talk about that after I get thoughts on the following play:
We could totally drop Gotard or Koshi tonight if we wanted.
Koshi is in the 'too scum to be scum' category for me right now. Gonna dive his filter. Gotard is gotard. For right now, I want tribunal thoughts on this play. im worried that this is too big, i liked it when it was just you three, but when you add more you are giving an open invitation to sheep with little to no reason and nothing to lose if its a mislynch, because they were simply following orders. i dont think there is a scum in the core 3, but im super worried that scum can easily tag along and ride the wagon for free. On July 15 2013 08:55 StiMaDDict wrote:
DO NOT SWITCH. TOO MUCH RISKY OF MISCOMMUNICATION. VOTE JKIRBY AND KEEP QUESTIONING KOSHI.
I stole my brother's phone btw. You didnt make a case, and it was so close to the deadline it was to risky to switch like stim said, you should have known that. Second like I point out multiple time you recruit people are ok with the current wagons not some random other person. The whole point of the Tribunal was to ensure that a lynch happened that day. To that end, a player who will not vote for one of the main wagons is useless for the purposes of ensuring a lynch. I'm starting to think you missed the entire point of the Tribunal.
Did you read my point on why a tribunal wasnt needed?
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On July 16 2013 01:53 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +For the record, the Tribunal is not a persistent entity. It was formed based on the flexible votes for the Day. Tomorrow, if it is necessary, it will be composed of an entirely new set of people (which may or may not include me). The group is valuable because it has vote mobility. It was necessary because Town needed to ensure a lynch.
It wont be necessary, it wasnt necessary. The only time we need to be afraid of vote switches for a no lynch is if there are a majority on one person who is scum and a second scum is on the same wagon, and the second scum jumps off for a mislynch, well guess what we now have 2 almost confirmed scum to lynch at that point. Only time this is really dangerous is if we are at yolo. Scum arent going to make a mislynch on someone not scum, and town better not be stupid enough to let a mislynch through. What you did was recruit people who you made sure were ok with only the current wagons and made sure no one got off. What you did was incredibly scummy here and I dont know why I am the only one who really sees what happened.
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On July 17 2013 03:42 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 03:39 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 17 2013 03:37 Onegu wrote:On July 17 2013 03:33 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 17 2013 03:20 Onegu wrote:
Really that is just a small part, the big thing is you created a group of people who you made sure was ok with either lynch, and then made sure it stayed where it was. And you said it was needed, but in reality was in no way needed. Read the thread. I actually floated the idea of moving the lynch to someone else before the deadline once we had the votes. That's one of the weaker points of your argument to me. Read the posts before the deadline carefully: You'll see it was Umasi, StiM(yourself) and Xzavier who resisted the lynch: On July 15 2013 08:31 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
DOUBLE SECRET TRIBUNAL MEETING
Attn: If you are not part of the Incredible Tribunal For Make Great Benefit Lynching Daily, you must stop reading this post now and cover your eyes.
Alright, now that all the legit folks are in here, I think we've gotten some useful information. We've confirmed that we control 4 mobile votes today (this may change in the future). Sponge, Umasi, Rainbows, Nightcat.
In addition, we have two semi-mobile votes in Chromatically (probably) and hzflank (maybe probably), both unconfirmed however. We could go after the scummiest Other. The more I think about Rainbow's 'town-town' claim, the more it seems like a possibility. I'm still leaning Super as scummiest, but we can talk about that after I get thoughts on the following play:
We could totally drop Gotard or Koshi tonight if we wanted.
Koshi is in the 'too scum to be scum' category for me right now. Gonna dive his filter. Gotard is gotard. For right now, I want tribunal thoughts on this play. The resistance to moving off the established wagons: On July 15 2013 08:33 Umasi wrote:
WHISPER WHISPER
Gotard, I do not think, is the best lynch
Koshi has said some good stuff, said some absolutely shit stuff, and is absolutely going to be incompetent as we get later in the game. I still think this is not town-town. On July 15 2013 08:34 Xzavier wrote:On July 15 2013 08:31 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
DOUBLE SECRET TRIBUNAL MEETING
Attn: If you are not part of the Incredible Tribunal For Make Great Benefit Lynching Daily, you must stop reading this post now and cover your eyes.
Alright, now that all the legit folks are in here, I think we've gotten some useful information. We've confirmed that we control 4 mobile votes today (this may change in the future). Sponge, Umasi, Rainbows, Nightcat.
In addition, we have two semi-mobile votes in Chromatically (probably) and hzflank (maybe probably), both unconfirmed however. We could go after the scummiest Other. The more I think about Rainbow's 'town-town' claim, the more it seems like a possibility. I'm still leaning Super as scummiest, but we can talk about that after I get thoughts on the following play:
We could totally drop Gotard or Koshi tonight if we wanted.
Koshi is in the 'too scum to be scum' category for me right now. Gonna dive his filter. Gotard is gotard. For right now, I want tribunal thoughts on this play. im worried that this is too big, i liked it when it was just you three, but when you add more you are giving an open invitation to sheep with little to no reason and nothing to lose if its a mislynch, because they were simply following orders. i dont think there is a scum in the core 3, but im super worried that scum can easily tag along and ride the wagon for free. On July 15 2013 08:55 StiMaDDict wrote:
DO NOT SWITCH. TOO MUCH RISKY OF MISCOMMUNICATION. VOTE JKIRBY AND KEEP QUESTIONING KOSHI.
I stole my brother's phone btw. You didnt make a case, and it was so close to the deadline it was to risky to switch like stim said, you should have known that. Second like I point out multiple time you recruit people are ok with the current wagons not some random other person. The whole point of the Tribunal was to ensure that a lynch happened that day. To that end, a player who will not vote for one of the main wagons is useless for the purposes of ensuring a lynch. I'm starting to think you missed the entire point of the Tribunal. Did you read my point on why a tribunal wasnt needed?
No one spoke up in the thread saying it was a bad idea (correct me if I'm wrong), and you being Captain Hindsight doesn't really hold the biggest hammer in this argument.
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I have a new theory. I am still not getting any scum read from hurricane but what about a SK. You would have a kill protection , you would want as many people to die as possible and you would love to keep your tribunal going with you in control, and as long as someone die its ok with you.
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On July 17 2013 02:50 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 08:44 Umasi wrote:
yeah, but rainbows
there's a problem with that
scum don't want to spew pro town crap, that's
uh
PRO
TOWN First umasi are you 4rlz here? That is exactly what scum want to do, I coach you on game setup, how to find scum, anything you ask I will help town. Why? Because when I do this I get town cred for something you would find out anyway. That first post of hurricanes is all things people would find out as the game went no matter what but hurricane being first to post it make it look very townie, but is really not in anyway townie.
I'm not sure that you REALLY understand.
This post is scummy because it looks protown
k, we accept this
.....This post is townie because it was protown.
He was getting exactly what he thought needed to get out there, out there, and even called it a day one conversation starter.
This doesn't like, absolve him, but honestly, calling this post anything but a good thing for town is stupid. It also sparked conversation (as the name implies).
I'm not sold on Sponge being town, but I'm way more sure of him being town than I am of many other people in this thread. He was around frequently, throwing his thoughts around (similar to how I was), and everything he has done has felt genuine, similar to how everything Chrom has done (although the result was bad) has been genuine.
He gives exactly what he knows about anything, and even if we'd find out later what he was talking about, that doesn't mean it isn't useful to know what Sponges thoughts are on everybody, EARLY in the game.
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On July 17 2013 03:43 Onegu wrote:
On July 16 2013 01:53 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +For the record, the Tribunal is not a persistent entity. It was formed based on the flexible votes for the Day. Tomorrow, if it is necessary, it will be composed of an entirely new set of people (which may or may not include me). The group is valuable because it has vote mobility. It was necessary because Town needed to ensure a lynch.
It wont be necessary, it wasnt necessary. The only time we need to be afraid of vote switches for a no lynch is if there are a majority on one person who is scum and a second scum is on the same wagon, and the second scum jumps off for a mislynch, well guess what we now have 2 almost confirmed scum to lynch at that point. Only time this is really dangerous is if we are at yolo. Scum arent going to make a mislynch on someone not scum, and town better not be stupid enough to let a mislynch through. What you did was recruit people who you made sure were ok with only the current wagons and made sure no one got off. What you did was incredibly scummy here and I dont know why I am the only one who really sees what happened.
Scumslip.
In all seriousness, you're making a lot of assumptions for a newbie game. You may be the only one who sees it because it's wrong. We agreed as a town that we needed to lynch Day 1, no matter what. Forming the Tribunal served that end. By definition, it is a Pro-Town move. Captain Hindsight thinks it wasn't necessary because he can see the future and just absolutely positively knows that there won't be a No Lynch. You don't really have a foot to stand on here.
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When you say it could be needed again and me pointing out why it isnt needed again isnt hindsight, sorry people didnt see it before I wasnt in the game, now I am and I saw it and pointed it out.
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On July 17 2013 03:05 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 03:03 Chromatically wrote:On July 17 2013 03:02 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 17 2013 03:00 Chromatically wrote:On July 17 2013 02:17 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Running with that, if Super is scum, the next logical avenue to chase down is the Kirby lynch. If Superfluous is scum, then either he was bussed, or there were scum entrenched on the Kirby wagon. StiM/Onegu, Chromatically, and Gotard were the three entrenched votes. I don't think Onegu/StiM or Chromatically are scum (and Chrom offered that his vote was semi-mobile). But it's hard to believe that only one scum (Gotard, in this case) was on a wagon to save their team. So I guess a Day 1 bus is possible.
Chasing down the Bus Super avenue, that'd tag HZ as the only likely scum on that wagon (as the guy who started the wagon). Now, hz is a phenomenal mafia player, but that's a hell of a play. He was ready to paint his face and go to war to get Super lynched. Everyone has to make that call on their own. I don't think scum would bus like that, and most of the thread thinks hz is town.
Neither of these scenarios seem as likely as a town/town wagon with an arbitrary distribution of scumvotes to me. Is this association stuff the only reason why Super is town? Also, why did you think that scum would jump on you after you PUBLICLY pointed out several times that you thought scum would jump on you? So it wouldn't be written off as just OMGUS. That doesn't answer the question (either of them). Why would scum go "this guy expects us to jump on his wagon, we should obviously do that"? It's win-win. If they don't jump on me, then I won't die. If they do, then it gives us reads on scum. There's another reason that I'm not quite ready to share yet (time-sensitive), but I promise I will share it if it looks like my lynch is inevitable.(The above bolded is the reason I'm making this play)
NO
NO
NO
NO
NO
FUCK THAT
FUCK THAT ALL THE WAY TO HELL
JESUS
I DON'T EVEN GET LIKE, A SCUM READ ON YOU
THAT'S JUST STUPID
you basically just said "well if my lynch is inevitable I will then post something useful to town"
jeeeeezus
tell me if I misunderstood horribly.
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Day 1 in a newbie game, I can certainly see someone moving their vote in confusion (or due to maliciousness) or making some other bad play regarding votes and it costing us a Day 1 lynch. Is it scummy? Maybe. Could a newbie make such a mistake? Absolutely.
The tribunal ensured SOMEBODY got bodied. It did its job. I doubt it will be needed as the days progress (less excuses to give re: confusion on voting rules), but it may. I won't rule it out. I probably wouldn't be the one leading it, though.
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On July 17 2013 03:49 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 03:05 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 17 2013 03:03 Chromatically wrote:On July 17 2013 03:02 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 17 2013 03:00 Chromatically wrote:On July 17 2013 02:17 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Running with that, if Super is scum, the next logical avenue to chase down is the Kirby lynch. If Superfluous is scum, then either he was bussed, or there were scum entrenched on the Kirby wagon. StiM/Onegu, Chromatically, and Gotard were the three entrenched votes. I don't think Onegu/StiM or Chromatically are scum (and Chrom offered that his vote was semi-mobile). But it's hard to believe that only one scum (Gotard, in this case) was on a wagon to save their team. So I guess a Day 1 bus is possible.
Chasing down the Bus Super avenue, that'd tag HZ as the only likely scum on that wagon (as the guy who started the wagon). Now, hz is a phenomenal mafia player, but that's a hell of a play. He was ready to paint his face and go to war to get Super lynched. Everyone has to make that call on their own. I don't think scum would bus like that, and most of the thread thinks hz is town.
Neither of these scenarios seem as likely as a town/town wagon with an arbitrary distribution of scumvotes to me. Is this association stuff the only reason why Super is town? Also, why did you think that scum would jump on you after you PUBLICLY pointed out several times that you thought scum would jump on you? So it wouldn't be written off as just OMGUS. That doesn't answer the question (either of them). Why would scum go "this guy expects us to jump on his wagon, we should obviously do that"? It's win-win. If they don't jump on me, then I won't die. If they do, then it gives us reads on scum. There's another reason that I'm not quite ready to share yet (time-sensitive), but I promise I will share it if it looks like my lynch is inevitable.(The above bolded is the reason I'm making this play) NO NO NO NO NO FUCK THAT FUCK THAT ALL THE WAY TO HELL JESUS I DON'T EVEN GET LIKE, A SCUM READ ON YOU THAT'S JUST STUPID you basically just said "well if my lynch is inevitable I will then post something useful to town" jeeeeezus tell me if I misunderstood horribly.
If you read between the lines, it will become clear. A closed mind is dangerous to the town.
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I know town wont cause a mislynch only scum. So if a mislynch is caused it will be by scum, if that happens we lynch the person who was set to be lynched and the person who caused the mislynch. The only time scum can do this is at lynch or lose, not day one.
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On July 17 2013 03:52 Onegu wrote:
I know town wont cause a mislynch only scum. So if a mislynch is caused it will be by scum, if that happens we lynch the person who was set to be lynched and the person who caused the mislynch. The only time scum can do this is at lynch or lose, not day one.
Haha what? You think every mislynch is driven by scum?
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On July 17 2013 03:51 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Day 1 in a newbie game, I can certainly see someone moving their vote in confusion (or due to maliciousness) or making some other bad play regarding votes and it costing us a Day 1 lynch. Is it scummy? Maybe. Could a newbie make such a mistake? Absolutely.
The tribunal ensured SOMEBODY got bodied. It did its job. I doubt it will be needed as the days progress (less excuses to give re: confusion on voting rules), but it may. I won't rule it out. I probably wouldn't be the one leading it, though.
No because that is all you talked about for the first half of the day and on and off the whole day is there cant be a mislynch.
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On July 17 2013 03:54 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 03:52 Onegu wrote:
I know town wont cause a mislynch only scum. So if a mislynch is caused it will be by scum, if that happens we lynch the person who was set to be lynched and the person who caused the mislynch. The only time scum can do this is at lynch or lose, not day one. Haha what? You think every mislynch is driven by scum?
Sorry I meant no lynch.
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On July 17 2013 03:55 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 03:51 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Day 1 in a newbie game, I can certainly see someone moving their vote in confusion (or due to maliciousness) or making some other bad play regarding votes and it costing us a Day 1 lynch. Is it scummy? Maybe. Could a newbie make such a mistake? Absolutely.
The tribunal ensured SOMEBODY got bodied. It did its job. I doubt it will be needed as the days progress (less excuses to give re: confusion on voting rules), but it may. I won't rule it out. I probably wouldn't be the one leading it, though. No because that is all you talked about for the first half of the day and on and off the whole day is there cant be a mislynch.
You have too much faith in newbies. And I think you mean 'No Lynch' when you say mislynch. Don't do that.
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Again replace mis lymch with no lynch please.
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my thoughts~
The point of the tribunal was two things: A, to ensure a lynch went down, but B (and this is the big one To hold people accountable for swapping off.
I think that's what it was about, it held EVERYONE accountable by putting three people in the spotlight. Pretend Kirby was scum, and the three of us were like "Kirby is the one"
so we put seven votes on him
then last second, player X swaps off.
Immediately he is who I focus for the second day. We made a big deal about ourselves hammering in the vote, but it also in turn locked the wagons in place.
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On July 17 2013 03:57 Umasi wrote:my thoughts~ The point of the tribunal was two things: A, to ensure a lynch went down, but B (and this is the big one To hold people accountable for swapping off. I think that's what it was about, it held EVERYONE accountable by putting three people in the spotlight. Pretend Kirby was scum, and the three of us were like "Kirby is the one" so we put seven votes on him then last second, player X swaps off. Immediately he is who I focus for the second day. We made a big deal about ourselves hammering in the vote, but it also in turn locked the wagons in place.
I disagree. Scum would never do that as you would get a no-lynch day 1 and then back to back scum lynches on days 2 and 3. Terrible move for scum.
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On July 17 2013 03:56 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 03:55 Onegu wrote:On July 17 2013 03:51 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Day 1 in a newbie game, I can certainly see someone moving their vote in confusion (or due to maliciousness) or making some other bad play regarding votes and it costing us a Day 1 lynch. Is it scummy? Maybe. Could a newbie make such a mistake? Absolutely.
The tribunal ensured SOMEBODY got bodied. It did its job. I doubt it will be needed as the days progress (less excuses to give re: confusion on voting rules), but it may. I won't rule it out. I probably wouldn't be the one leading it, though. No because that is all you talked about for the first half of the day and on and off the whole day is there cant be a mislynch. You have too much faith in newbies. And I think you mean 'No Lynch' when you say mislynch. Don't do that.
I have faith that if it came down to the last 10 minutes and there was one vote short on someone that one of the players who understands would ensure the lynch, and no I dont see newbie town last second vote switching to cause a no lynch.
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For the record, I will personally strangle anyone who sets up any sort of "tribunal" today.
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