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On July 15 2013 04:01 Koshi wrote:
Staying alive is not important at all. Vanilla Townies are here to post as much as they can, make as much sense as they can, do as much scumreading as they can. And then die with full glory in the night.
Unfortunately I have no fucking clue what to make of Koshi, and it doesn't really matter atm because everyone falls behind Super and Kirby on the priority list
maybe kinda scummy
but I want to keep him around so he can spout phrases like that more often.
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On July 15 2013 04:07 StiMaDDict wrote:
@Superfluous: Your read on jkirby, now.
^^
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On July 15 2013 04:06 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 04:04 Umasi wrote:On July 15 2013 04:01 Koshi wrote:
Staying alive is not important at all. Vanilla Townies are here to post as much as they can, make as much sense as they can, do as much scumreading as they can. And then die with full glory in the night. Unfortunately I have no fucking clue what to make of Koshi, and it doesn't really matter atm because everyone falls behind Super and Kirby on the priority list maybe kinda scummy but I want to keep him around so he can spout phrases like that more often. Did you read this? Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 01:47 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 00:44 Koshi wrote:On July 15 2013 00:21 Chromatically wrote:On July 14 2013 22:41 Koshi wrote:
jrkirby needs to come back and start proving he is town. His last 5 posts were horribly rude, but I still wonder if scum would do that. It's so bold, or maybe he is just a rude person.. Why do you think that Kirby needs to price that he's town, but not Super? hzflank his case spreads out over a long period of Super posts and is a case on the playstyle of Super. Not as much nitpicking of sentences in the posts. The kirby case is more looking at the content of his posting. Kinda hard to explain, but you understand what I mean? No, you just messed up. Both cases are about playstyle. Both cases are spread out over a period. Neither case is nitpicking sentences. Both cases are looking at the content of the posting. You're just making stuff up. Your post implied that you were going to switch onto Kirby if he didn't post. This doesn't make any sense from a town perspective. You found the case on Super more convincing, but if neither of them posted, you would have switched onto Kirby? No logical town reason for that. I don't know why you like that quote, it's not even relevant. We're not talking about getting nk'd, we're talking about getting mislynched (something that every townie obviously wants to avoid).
I didn't mean I LIKED the thing in a protown way
I mean I want shit like "glory of the night' to be spouted more often
because it sounds glorious.
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K KIRBYS TURN GET IN HERE AND TALK ABOUT SUPERFLUOUS
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On July 15 2013 04:12 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 03:57 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 03:45 Superfluous wrote:
Firstly I agree with Chroma's response to this, these are everyone's priorities especially early on. I do not and will not agree with this, and I expect that most other people will not agree, either. When the game starts, at the beginning of day 1, the first priority for scum is to not get lynched. The first priority for town is to create an atmosphere in which good reads can be made. The second priority for town is to hunt for scum and try to strengthen their reads. Staying alive barely even registers on the list of things to do. You admit that the first thing that you did was try to stay alive. I suppose you have to now as you cannot backtrack on that. It is my opinion that having such priorities makes you scum. I do not want to tunnel you over a single point, so I will call that a big red mark and wait to see what you post before the deadline. I see no point in pressuring you directly on this issue as you are just going to claim philosophical differences, which I consider a weak defense when your philosophy is terrible. Here is a DIRECT QUOTE from Incognito's "General Guide to Mafia"Show nested quote +Priority #1: Establishing Your Innocence So, you know how to look for mafia and are ready to smoke them out. But unfortunately, just knowing how to find mafia is not good enough. The other part of the equation is convincing the town that you’ve found them. While you may be correct, it takes more than your own vote to properly seal the deal and kill off the mafia. As a townie, your number 1 priority is to establish your innocence. Why? Establishing your innocence does three things: - It gives you a credible platform from which you can push your agenda
- It reduces the mafia’s options for pushing their agenda - they can’t attack you without some serious consequences
- It reduces the number of viable mafia candidates - if the town thinks you are innocent that’s one less person to worry about
You admit that the first thing that you did was try to stay alive. I suppose you have to now as you cannot backtrack on that. It is my opinion that having such priorities makes you scum.
Super has said that he was trying to stay alive, which I consider quite different from establishing innocence.
I just want to clarify, Chrom, do you think that Superfluous is town or scum? Are you defending him because you think he's town, or because you want a kirby lynch to go through?
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It gives you a credible platform from which you can push your agenda
It reduces the mafia’s options for pushing their agenda - they can’t attack you without some serious consequences
It reduces the number of viable mafia candidates - if the town thinks you are innocent that’s one less person to worry about
the results are different than trying to "stay alive"
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But was he establishing his innocence to NOT GET LYNCHED or to PUSH TOWN AGENDA
And then was he not getting lynched because he's a scared townie who doesn't want to be lynched, or a scum who doesn't want to be lynched?
I think it's pretty obvious, going to be honest.
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Because your first post wasn't about establishing innocence EITHER, your post was built to blend in. We've gone over this.
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can I just ask what people are talking about with someone claimed vet or vt or whatever the fuck
I've /find and searched for VT and Vet on pages 35,36,37 and found no one claiming anything, am I just missing something?
If someone would spell it out for me that'd be nice
or just tell me it's not important so I can ignore it.
I think that Superfluous and Kirby are about equal in terms of scumminess.
Will hold of on questioning Nightcat because he said he would explain, if he never explains, wham bam slam etc etc
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I am tempted to switch off of Super and onto Kirby, but I'll wait.
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On July 15 2013 05:54 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 05:52 Umasi wrote:
can I just ask what people are talking about with someone claimed vet or vt or whatever the fuck
I've /find and searched for VT and Vet on pages 35,36,37 and found no one claiming anything, am I just missing something?
If someone would spell it out for me that'd be nice
or just tell me it's not important so I can ignore it.
I think that Superfluous and Kirby are about equal in terms of scumminess.
Will hold of on questioning Nightcat because he said he would explain, if he never explains, wham bam slam etc etc
Stim said something about hi getting replaced, and said he was VT, or vanilla town. Super misread as Veteran
k thanks
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I think that, unless it would result in a no lynch, I'm going to stick with Super to the end, if only by sheer virtue of Kirby being around more frequently. I think any defense of Super having posted in a worthwhile way is trash, because he straight up hasn't been, but Kirby has been around since the start. be it playtime or whatever, that tips the scale to Super for me.
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On July 15 2013 04:39 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 04:37 Umasi wrote:
But was he establishing his innocence to NOT GET LYNCHED or to PUSH TOWN AGENDA
And then was he not getting lynched because he's a scared townie who doesn't want to be lynched, or a scum who doesn't want to be lynched?
I think it's pretty obvious, going to be honest.
If there was a case on you when you first entered the thread, what would you do?
Totally forgot to respond to this
if there was a case on me when I first entered the thread, I'd be extraordinarily CONFUSED
because there can't possibly be a case right from the very beginning. No one was making cases on Cloud before he entered, we just called him a lurker.
If I enter the thread and there is a case on me, gonna be honest, I totally fucking ignore it. People were voting me quite frequently in the past game I played, I just looked at it, said "yeah you guys all think I'm scummy got it" and then kept playing. I didn't go "ohohoho I must skillfully deflect this pressure so that they believe me"
I just talk so much and am so open that they have no choice but to believe me
Super didn't enter the thread with a case on him, he entered, I commented, he responded, and THEN I started pressuring him a bit, although I thought he was super suspicious since the first fucking post.
He didn't enter and scumhunt, he entered, didn't scumhunt, got pressured, threw out half assed reads, and then did basically nothing.
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On July 15 2013 06:12 Koshi wrote:
Chrom is tunneling like a madman. He doesn't accept anything else than kirby is scum.
If you say not-kirby is scum, Chrom says: "WHY THE FUCK? MAKE A CASE"
If you say kirby is scum, Crom says NOTHING
Which is bullshit. Look at everybody that says kirby is scum, Chrom is just ignoring them.
Koshi, that's useless
Of course he ignores them if they say Kirby is scum, he doesn't need to convince them -.-
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On July 15 2013 06:08 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:05 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 05:59 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote:
If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Why would this make you think that he's scum? Is your entire reasoning for him being scum that he's bad? No, I have made it clear why I think he is scum. Your entire reasoning for him being town is that he is bad. I do not buy it. The way that he writes makes him come across as a reasonable player. He has even made a couple of good posts recently, but he did not make them until he very much had to do so. If I could understand a reason for his early play that does not rely on him being bad then I would be willing to strongly reconsider my vote, but no matter how many times I go over it I just cannot get there. MY ENTIRE REASON FOR HIM BEING TOWN IS THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT SUGGESTING THAT HE'S SCUM EVERY ONE OF YOUR REASONS FOR HIM BEING SCUM IS JUST SAYING THAT HE'S BAD What in particular makes you think that he is scum and not bad town?
CHROM
WHAT IS STOPPING KIRBY FROM BEING BAD TOWN TOO?
WHAT IF HE DIDN'T PRESSURE CORRECTLY BECAUSE HE'S BAD AND DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO PRESSURE
YOU CAN'T JUST SAY THAT THEY'RE BAD AND CALL IT QUITS
NO ONE WOULD EVER GET LYNCHED THEN BECAUSE WE'RE ALL FUCKING AWFUL
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No Koshi, you're complaining about Chrom for no reason.
not the points that you bring up, but why are you even bringing them up
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I don't fucking buy that, Chrom. I don't fucking see why he's different than Super.
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Don't make your read on Kirby purely from that game btw, just use it in conjunction. I need to take off for an hour, I'll be back well before lynch time
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On July 15 2013 07:24 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
@ Umasi
@ Rainbows
We three control this lynch. I think everyone else is entrenched (via either conviction or inactivity). If you agree, we need to establish some things between the three of us.
First, do we all agree that both of the current wagons are acceptable lynch candidates?
Not finished reading, want to reply before I forget
Yes, I accept that they are both absolutely acceptable lynch targets
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