Basterd Mini Mafia

On June 30 2013 06:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is no way there are 2 millers in the game so cut talking about that as a possibility already.

On June 30 2013 08:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Of course he has. It does not change the fact that marv is a bright guy and fakeclaiming miller in this game is stupid.

I suggest we drop the miller claim analysis until/unless another millerclaim pops up. Start hunting scum instead.

Stutters, explain your thought process behind your "do you know something i don't" comment.

Vivax, why a sudden change of mind, that is really not a change of mind? What exactly is your stance on stutters/wos?

WoS, why do you not post something useful instead of this nonsense? Thoughts on stutters/vivax?

On June 30 2013 20:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax i already answered that.
Oats i have never said so, i said i play quite similarly as town or mafia.

Why does me giving a townread to marv make me scum? Is it impossible for me to have this thought process i have already explained as town, and if so, why?

On June 30 2013 19:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
well marv hasnt posted since the start of the game.

What do you think of Rayn?

On June 30 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This is how i see it:
marv claimed before iGrok announced the cop is in fact a parity cop. In case the cop was normal and as there is no GF, it's fair that there is one miller. Two millers make the game insanely hard for a cop, and with two miller claims town might run in circles finding which of the millers is "mafia".As for parity cop, having two millers ease up the game much. If the parity cop is stupid enough to not check marv on N1, they still can check the other miller claim on N2 (as if marv is town he will die on N1) and use that to confirm his earlier and future checks.

If there is no cop there is no point in having millers. One might be okay in the sense that it fucks with the town, but not too much. Two millers and no cop is basically impossible.

marv would not claim miller in either scenario because there is no need to.
So that's why i think marv is town and there is exactly 1 miller.

I agree that Lazer is probably town. His opening post was careless and i don't think he would have done that as scum. His vote on WoS is good as WoS is probably scum. :D

What do you think about Stutters? Mainly his posts about the miller thing. They are really really bad.

That. Why the sudden change of mind from going me = town -> me = scum with no new posts from me, and before that you seemed to understand me. You just "reviewed" the situation. Why did you not look at it closely in the first place?

On July 01 2013 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats, i made a same mistake you are doing here tunneling me. I looked Stutters' post only from scum perspective and i have now second thoughts about it because of what you said.

I think WoS is scum for what i have said. After that he has only posted some wishyt-washy things about me and Vayne. He says "Oats might be right" but then again "rayn gets a slight town read from what he did". He is avoiding to take sides in the argument. Look at his posts about Vayne; Big walls of text that basically says "i don't know what to make out of it". He does not want to vote for Stutters because "the wagon formed so quickly it bothers him" when there is no wagon but then he actually votes for Stutters??? Also the post is more like "i'll park my vote here" rather than "i think Stutters is mafia". Like: "Until the rest of the thread shows up or something scummier happens, (or maybe if Stutters explains himself a little/talks some more?)". wtf is this? After his vote he does never question Stutters or try to push the lynch, he is just chatting with Oats without making up his mind about anything in the game. He is not trying find mafia rather than just blending in.

I'll look into other people more tonight. I think marv, Vivax and Oats are town, Stutters' posting style and explanations feel genuine and i'm slightly leaning town on him.

I gotta relook into Lazer, i can't understand Vayne, he'd be a good cop target after copping marv. Nobody else i remember nothing about at this point.

On July 01 2013 04:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No Lazer, this is what Oats does as town. He's probably town.

On July 01 2013 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Has anyone played with gumshoe before? I don't understand what most of his posts say and the parts i understand are retarded connection cases.

On July 01 2013 05:16 gumshoe wrote:


A) buddying

B) Not throwing around concrete threats but definitely alot of shiit.

C) Severely flip floppy.

D) doesn't contribute anything really.

E) recycles others opinions.

F) Attacks people who are actively contributing, thereby attacking discussion itself.

All this in just three posts, it's remarkable really. How can you defend this guy just because he agrees with you? In fact if I was you(and was actually town) I would revaluate my opinion on Rayne just because THIS guy supports it.

I'll look at Vayne next, but I'm pretty set on Jar Jar seeing as hes far far worst than Stutters whose principal offence in my eyes was just timing based / :

On July 01 2013 06:41 Stutters695 wrote:
The part about no role name being claimed is null imo. I could easily argue the merits of town withholding that info until a second Miller claims. The damming part is how sure he was Marv was town, but that can easily be explained away by his thinking 5 minutes in is too early for scum to claim. I'm having a hard time justifying it when the rest of his play has been pretty town. Like your case had me pretty convinced earlier but the more I see from him the less I feel comfortable with it.

On July 01 2013 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why can't any of you understand that as the millers have role-names, it's too fucking risky to claim miller as mafia??!?!?!?!?

If there was another miller claim, who is to say marv gets to say his role name last? Me? Certainly not. If someone had cc'd him i would totally have him claim his role name first, because marv has balls to do something like this. Not counting the fact that it's incredibly stupid, and no other miller claims proves even more that i am right in what i have said.

On June 30 2013 19:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No it's not. Fakeclaiming miller 5min into the game is dumb and unnecessary as scum and if someone was dumb enough to fakeclaim after marv we had a 50% chance to right out catch them by having them post the role PM first.

No Vivax, i asked about the question from Stutters. Why are you pushing fake evidence? I fucking asked about it right after he posted.

I don't know, he has been asked a lot of questions which he "will answer when he has more time" but instead every time he posts he posts something else.

Stutters' posting style and explanations feel genuine and i'm slightly leaning town on him.

On July 01 2013 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah, i had not reread what Stutters had said after that, and when i started catching up i was posting when i read people's filters. That's also when i realized what Oats posted about him, this post:

The rest i said about Stutters is why he is only slightly leaning on town and not more.

rofl what's this? An accusation? Now if i was mafia how would i know how many millers there are in the game?

So you are saying as scum stutters wants to throw suspicion on Rayn for something that scum dont know. I dont think this is really all the believable

On July 01 2013 02:46 Stutters695 wrote:
This is why I thought he was town.

The miller stuff is eh (a lot more damming now with Vivax's post however). Like it isn't an unreasonable assumption and his reaction to my "scummiest post in the thread" was almost exactly how I'd react. I'd expect scum to be much more concerned with justifying their stance immediately rather than just laugh it off and not elaborate until pressure is on them. I reacted almost identically to an accusation from vivax in roulette that I felt was ridiculous.

In addition to that, he's one of the most active players.

I can pull specifics if you want but that's the rundown.

On July 01 2013 03:47 Stutters695 wrote:
You're misunderstanding. I'm leaning scum on him now, that was explaining why I thought he was town when I woke up this morning and did a quick skim.

Although I do think accepting a miller claim isn't unreasonable. It essentially is just having someone say "hey, don't check me because you'll waste your power (pre-parity announcement) and cause a mislynch."

It doesn't in any way confirm Marv, but ensures he is judged on the basis of his actual play. That he's so sure Marv is town is worrisome but I can see where he is coming from to a certain extent. I also don't like how many people are slipping by saying absolutely nothing. Even if we lynch him we should hear his reads and force these hardcore lurkers to post something.

On July 01 2013 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Comment on the reads JarJar. What's wrong and why.

Vivax, would you, as town not comment anything on present suspects at that time, when you have earlier implied you can read them well? Also would you not try to read people you can read well at the start of the game and why? Also i don't have a problem with Fuba agreeing with your case, because that sort of a mistake can be easily done as town. The thing is that he is trying to tell the things you have already said with his own words (i see that as trying to look genuine, when actually not having anything to add, and afraid of sheeping) and the only thing he adds to the case is plain out wrong.

On July 01 2013 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why can't any of you understand that as the millers have role-names, it's too fucking risky to claim miller as mafia??!?!?!?!?

If there was another miller claim, who is to say marv gets to say his role name last? Me? Certainly not. If someone had cc'd him i would totally have him claim his role name first, because marv has balls to do something like this. Not counting the fact that it's incredibly stupid, and no other miller claims proves even more that i am right in what i have said.

On June 30 2013 19:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No it's not. Fakeclaiming miller 5min into the game is dumb and unnecessary as scum and if someone was dumb enough to fakeclaim after marv we had a 50% chance to right out catch them by having them post the role PM first.

OK, because like I said, I like the cases he's made. I agree w/ everything he pointed out about you in regards to the miller/marv stuff. It's the same type of stuff that made me suspicious of you in the first place.

On July 01 2013 11:17 gumshoe wrote:


Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how?

On July 01 2013 11:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Is this a serious question? Because I know for a fact that I am town. If I get lynched, the town is definately 100% losing a townie.

On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on?

On July 01 2013 11:32 gumshoe wrote:

My point is you dont sound like your in it to find scum or help town at this point, your just trying to not piss people off and survive the day. And honestly do you think I can treat the old "I'm town so towns gonna get hurt when I die" with any value whatsoever?

On July 01 2013 11:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:
No, that wasn't your point. You asked me how it was townish to be willing to vote someone that I had a townread on to save myself. You were not saying or even implying anything about me not pissing people off. You jumped on a statement I made and tried to call it scummy which it wasn't @ all. Which you are straight up admitting by not answering my question.


And then here you try to twist it around like I'm trying to use it to make myself seem more town when YOU'RE the one who asked the question.

On July 01 2013 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:

gumshoe is saying "why don't you find mafia or convince the town your scumread is mafia instead of saying i'll vote for rayn if it's gonna be close". Of course you are going to vote for me in that situation, there is no need to say that, everyone knows you'll do so.

WaveofShadow:
Useless. Even says he will be useless. Why not say something useful instead? Continues being useless, like having voted Stutters and what's the follow up? He does not try to find out his scumbuddies, he doesn't question him in any way. Actually, he does not question anyone in any way. If JarJar is somehow town WoS is sure scum by trying to avoid attention after called out. Who is scum WoS and why? What are your thoughts on Vivax/JarJar/Fuba?

On July 02 2013 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The point is Fuba, if i had been miller i would have done just what marv did, i would have not claimed my role name in case some scum wants to claim miller aswell. If i was scum i would never ever claim miller in fear of that someone claims and i have to contest them in "who tells their rolename first" which could result in 50% outright chance of me being outed.

The way marv claimed makes perfect sense to me if he is town. The way marv claimed makes zero sense to me as scum, because i would never myself claim as scum, and that's why i think marv is town.

On July 02 2013 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you marv think about Lazer having Vayne as a scumread for all the game and not pushing him at any point until 30min before the lynch? That does not raise red flags at all?

On July 02 2013 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He has similar suspects to me, besides Stutters. He has good reasoning behind his posts. He is looking into places i think are right.

On July 02 2013 05:41 Lazermonkey wrote:
Okay fuba is being totaly super useless atm. He is here but chooses not to care about this lynch at all and instead goes on with a stupid fucking argument with stutters.

I can kill this guy.

On July 01 2013 07:00 mkfuba07 wrote:


Oats's vote on rayn was interesting, because I didn't think of rayn's actions from that persepective. The thing is, though, rayn had thought the situation through. The way oats presents it is as though rayn simply saw marv claim miller, and accepted it as true. Then went on to buddy him. This is clearly not what happened.

*snip*

rayn: After Vivax's marv post, I expected rayn to be less insistent on him being confirmed town. It would have been *much* easier for scum to fakeclaim miller in this situation than I thought, and I don't see how this isn't obvious from a town perspective. Add to that Vivax's case, where he points out that rayn accepts the existence of a miller at face value, and I'm pretty convinced. He's far too eager to accept the claim as truth, when it should now have little effect on the mind of a townie. My only reluctance to vote for him is his activity level, which I tend to associate with town.

##Vote: raynpelikoneet

Everyone else is gonna need a filter dive, and I'm going to have to reread the posts I read while writing this, but I feel comfortable with my vote where it is.

On July 02 2013 15:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so people who are most likely town:
JarJar, Lazer, marv, Vivax, Oats, gumshoe

On July 03 2013 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv, do you believe Lazer's claim is legit?

On July 03 2013 01:17 marvellosity wrote:
I'm currently thinking that I hope the Lazer situation resolves itself overnight.

On July 03 2013 01:23 WaveofShadow wrote:

I'm not sure how you think this would happen.

Stutters have you really never been mislynched? I'm trying to think of games we've been in together and I know you're under the gun pretty often for your activity and such. I'm willing to accept your explanation regarding Vivax as it does seem to fit but as I said earlier I'd like to see something new from you that doesn't seem to echo his sentiments, and since he's not here apparently, this would be the perfect time.
What are your thoughts regarding Lazer or gumshoe currently? Do you still feel the same way about Fuba?

On July 03 2013 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are not gumshoe and you are a vigilante, shoot lazer/marv.

On July 03 2013 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yeah i just said Lazer might be town. BUT IF MARV IS MILLER HE HAS ZERO REASON TO DOUBT UN-CC'D COP!
marv is not a miller and not town.

If any miller is yet to claim they are retarded.

On July 03 2013 02:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I assume there are not 3 town blues. If gumshoe is vigilante, he can't know if Lazer's claim is legit or not.
However, gumshoe, if you are a vig, shoot marv.

On July 03 2013 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yeah with MYLO on D2?

On July 03 2013 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Lazer can you show me even one mini game where scum have 2 KP and there were miller(s) but no cop?

On July 03 2013 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Is this a question you present to your scumread?
Do you think solstice/me are more likely scum than marv?

On July 03 2013 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

atm you. Stutters agreed with me instantly when i laid my evidence on marv, i don't think he is scum.

On July 03 2013 04:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't see anything scummy in Solstice's posts. His interactions with marv make me think he is even more townier than before.

On July 03 2013 04:04 Lazermonkey wrote:
But aren't you basing everything on that Marv is scum then? Drawing conclusions between unflipped players are dangerous...If you disregard Marv what do you think of him? His action during teh lynch etc?

On July 02 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
We are not lynching Vayne. We are lynching you/WoS/Fuba, so why can't you just comment on them?
You had two days to make a case on Vayne, and you failed. You don't get us to look at him now, 30min before the lynch, when you have shown no interest in asking us to do that before.

On July 02 2013 01:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
can we agree collectively as a game to not claim roles in this open setup? It's pretty broken and I didn't sign up for a lets all claim and lynch at 50/50 game.

With that said I am mainly looking at lazer/WoS now.

Lazer's posting has been fairly more townie as of recently but the fact that he OMGUS'd me from my accusations is a bit alarming when he gave very little reasoning. It seems like he's trying to keep himself on the good side of most of the people in the game so instead of scum hunting he just goes right back at the accuser.

As for WoS I am not really a fan of what he's done so far, he has been very passive yet exceedingly angry which is somewhat how he played in Les Mis. The fact that he says I am playing differently and doesn't know what to make of it leads me to believe that he knows I am town somehow, might have been a scumslip.

On July 02 2013 05:32 marvellosity wrote:


why are we not lynching Vayne?

His filter is extraordinarily short (i know, i know). also just found this



Vayne pretty much admits himself in past games that he likes to solve games by night interactions and kills, claims etc. Seems completely against his MO to advise against it this game.

On July 03 2013 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What's wrong with my thought process?
Also what do you see in the set of quotes i posted? Nothing wrong in marv's behaviour?

On July 03 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Tell me what do you see and then i'll tell what i see.

On July 03 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like you are suggesting that we have a semi-open setup, but scum do have an open setup?
Now how stupid is that?

On July 03 2013 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This is what i see.
- marv is not caught up and wants to know who he should be looking into
- i tell him to look into lazer/fuba/wos
- he puts his vote on wos because "everything else is fucking dense"
- you come in with a last minute case on vayne
- marv does not comment on fuba/you in any way, but instead tells us to lynch vayne. wtf? why is he even looking in there as the case is presented by one of the people town currently think is scum, and why did he not look into those town's suspects instead?

On July 03 2013 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This is what i see.
- marv is not caught up and wants to know who he should be looking into
- i tell him to look into lazer/fuba/wos
- he puts his vote on wos because "everything else is fucking dense"
- you come in with a last minute case on vayne
- marv does not comment on fuba/you in any way, but instead tells us to lynch vayne. wtf? why is he even looking in there as the case is presented by one of the people town currently think is scum, and why did he not look into those town's suspects instead?

On July 03 2013 05:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The main point is that marv asks who should he read. When i tell who to read (and Vayne gave pretty much same suspects), marv does not read those suspects, instead he votes with one of the suspects!! How the fuck does that make sense if you have not caught up with the thread?

On July 03 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So your suggestion is that marv decided to look into vayne 30 min before the assumed deadline instead of looking into town's suspects because you did think he is scummy but didn't even make a case (which i btw confronted you at that time if you remember). Seems legit-