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On July 04 2013 06:43 marvellosity wrote:
WoS play was just selfish (and riddled with various errors), you're the one that thought it through.
We'll see. I wonder what fuba will have to say about all this.
See you'd think so, but I'm pretty sure my situation is nearly impossible from the start. You're missing some crucial info as to why I did what I did.
Again, explanations later and you can tell me where I went wrong if you want then.
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Oh this'll be good.
3 hours 15 until I show up for good to talk. I really hope people plan on being around for it.
Xspecially you, Fubar.
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On July 04 2013 08:51 Vivax wrote:
There is no Hitler, marv claimed miller, lazer claimed cop, WoS picked the last remaining role and claimed a roleblock.
See you in fucking postgame. If you need to find scum, read my posts and Rayn's, the guys who scum chose to shot.
Holy shit.
So sure of yourself.
That's pretty cute.
Anyway 2 more hours.
I don't actually give a shit about what happens to me at this point as I've already assumed that I've lost. Maybe the actual thinking townies don't want the game lost for them as well.
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On July 04 2013 08:55 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 08:54 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 04 2013 08:51 Vivax wrote:
There is no Hitler, marv claimed miller, lazer claimed cop, WoS picked the last remaining role and claimed a roleblock.
See you in fucking postgame. If you need to find scum, read my posts and Rayn's, the guys who scum chose to shot.
Holy shit. So sure of yourself. That's pretty cute. Anyway 2 more hours. I don't actually give a shit about what happens to me at this point as I've already assumed that I've lost. Maybe the actual thinking townies don't want the game lost for them as well. If you don't give a shit then go away. No one requests your presence. Only your scalp and a swastika in your forehead
Oh really? Is that how the rest of town feels?
If so then I'll gladly fuck off and let myself be lynched.
You guys can make the call for when I come back in 2 hours. If no one wants to hear from me I'll just go out gracefully and let scum have the game.
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So apparently Masterchef is a rerun wtf.
So I can be here now.
The way I see it, you guys have absolutely no fucking idea who scum is besides me or fuba. If you lynch me today, you go into 4-3 LYLO and lynch fuba after you realize I was right, then 3-2 and you're fucked because you don't know who the last two are.
If people honestly feel that I'm trying to WIFOM my way out of shit then I'm not going to waste my time here. I'm really only doing it for my amusement at this point anyway because as I've said I am likely to be killed even if you guys don't do it. Scum are in a decently safe position right now and might be able to afford the NK on me, especially if they think I might be coerced into JKing a target of your choosing.
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So?
Are people interested in what I have to say or not?
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Alrighty let's begin.
Hearken unto the tale of WaveofShadow, the Jew Hunter (oddly ironic, as I told iGrok in one of many MANY PMs I sent him throughout this game as I myself am Jewish).
D1 - 1st time 3rd party. Felt like fucking around since that stuff was posted about talking in other languages. Don't really care TOO much about scumhunting as people pointed out. Whatever, I'm sure I can prove my 'towniness' later on as I always do.
Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own. + Show Spoiler +(I'm worried about what I am allowed or not allowed to say here since one of the rules is you can't share stuff you get from a PM from a host. Once I confirm exactly what I can talk about I'll share.)
This is when I realize that despite the fakeclaim I was given I'm essentially fucked anyway. I can only assume scum were given fakeclaims too and I don't know if they were given the same or different info than me, so I'm unsure if my blue claim will immediately tip them off. There are only enough non-scum roles in the game for everyone to claim exactly one therefore I know already that my blueclaim will look like shit because 4 blue roles is not balanced. My only choice is to not use my roleblock and claim it on myself. In this way (like gumshoe surmised) it MAY not become immediately obvious to scum that I was in fact 3P, and I don't have to help town because I'd rather them lose a couple people so they don't have room to lynch me when I get caught. I was honestly hoping that scum would be able to see what I was doing (ie being non-threatening to them) and find a way around me but they chose differently. There is bound to be a scum defending me at this point just 'cause, but this post isn't about reads.
D2 - I fakeclaim the shot on marv because it seemed as though that's what most townies would have found acceptable from a real vig. Its not going amazingly well but there is enough doubt being sown that I might be able to survive the day. Then fucking scum fuba. Again this is scum basically assuming you guys are going to take advantage of the fact that I showed up late to claim the last blue role, never mind the fact that I explained I'd be gone long before the claims happened. What scum may or may not know is I had received that role as an effective fakeclaim WAY before any of this happened so that reason is null (whether people choose to believe me or not is another story).
Oh on the note of fakeclaims, scum absolutely received fakeclaims, likely around the same time as I did. THIS is why I believe Lazer is town, by the way, and probably JJD too, unless I was an oversight on the part of iGrok. (If you guys believe 3 blues is balanced then Vivax and gumshoe are town as well. If not, well then you guys have another problem on your hands. ) This is why there was no counterclaiming of any roles; as I stated before, there are just enough green/blue roles for everyone (including scum/3p) to claim. The order of people claiming means exactly DICK ALL for this reason, so those of you who said solstice is town 'cause he claimed early? Yeah, no.
My day-long disappearance? Totally real and I enjoyed every minute of it. I was reading the thread every so often when I had the chance but I would not have had time to engage in any arguing/discussion. When I saw I was up for lynch at the end of D1 I was tempted to come back and flail about as towny Wave has done in the past but then I thought, 'YOLO, 3P bro,' and left it. Good thing I did. N1 was my time to shine as I had some time to kill and was able to discuss stuff thoroughly. If this was not basically a completely open game with claimable names I have absolutely zero doubt in my mind I would have fulfilled my win condition. The massclaim combined with the role I was given to fake claim essentially fucked any chances I might have had.
I think it was mentioned that I should have just claimed my own role? Yeah well, not liking what town thought of me already I didn't see that as being an option, especially since my role is inherently town-favoured and I had a fakeclaim I may have gotten away with (obviously I would have had to claim on D3 after being 'RBed' again or something but I would have been in a far better position then).
I'm trying to think of anything else I need to talk about exactly here, it'll probably help if I reread through the conversations that happened earlier today. You are all of course welcome to look through my posting history to see if any of these thoughts match up with my posting.
I'd like to see what Fuba can come up with that will make me look worse than him right now, especially since I have other role information I have not yet released.
Anyway you guys can decide what to do with me. I'm not arguing for days about whether what I said is true or not. It is and whether you choose to believe that now or after you've fucked yourselves is entirely up to you.
To town I say - if you lynch me you're likely to lose. Simple as that. If you have faith in your town leaders and power roles (who are about to be shot if you lynch me, btw) to win the game at LYLO then by all means lynch me.
To scum I say - I haven't thought about the math. If you guys lose fuba today you might be able to get away with killing me but then you're 6-2 with only 1NK and shit like vengeful townie/parity cop. Not entirely likely though in my opinion. How about I agree not to use my JK ability on anyone to appease you guys? 
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On July 04 2013 10:15 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +Oh on the note of fakeclaims, scum absolutely received fakeclaims, likely around the same time as I did. THIS is why I believe Lazer is town, by the way, and probably JJD too, unless I was an oversight on the part of iGrok. (If you guys believe 3 blues is balanced then Vivax and gumshoe are town as well. If not, well then you guys have another problem on your hands. ) This is why there was no counterclaiming of any roles; as I stated before, there are just enough green/blue roles for everyone (including scum/3p) to claim. The order of people claiming means exactly DICK ALL for this reason, so those of you who said solstice is town 'cause he claimed early? Yeah, no. Note the bolded, this right here is appeasement of scum. The big wtf change to the game occurred at 08:38 on July 1st Jar Jars claim occurred on July 1st 23:47 Jar Jar Lazer happened on July second at 05:56. Both after. No one is clear except Marv, whose claim happened at the very start of the game. Course this begs the question, why did Fuba claim survivor if he had a fake? We can only assume he was given the other miller role, which really really sucks for him.
Technically scum would have been able to share whatever fakeclaims they got; I'd assume fuba really did get back and that was all that was left to him so they decided outing me by fakeclaiming 3P was the best thing to do since miller claiming would probably get him lynched anyway.
Yeah as for Lazer/JJD claims I don't know. I wasn't even around at that point and didn't bother to check the timestamps lol. Meh. 
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Ugh I should have waited for tomorrow or something.
I hate not being able to talk with people.
Oh that's another thing. The stream of consciousness post was my legit start at trying to look towny and then I realized people always look shitty all the time when they come back after a long time so I said fuck it. Didn't end up taking TOO much flak for it anyway.
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On July 04 2013 10:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
hi WoS.
Is there anything you wanna talk about?
Dunno.
I just figured people'd have questions n' shiz.
Ya know.
Just aggravating waking up in the morning to find random ass speculation and discussion over shit that I could answer pretty easily myself. If no one has any questions then it's all good and I'll go play LoL or some shit.
On July 04 2013 10:51 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 04 2013 10:15 gumshoe wrote:Oh on the note of fakeclaims, scum absolutely received fakeclaims, likely around the same time as I did. THIS is why I believe Lazer is town, by the way, and probably JJD too, unless I was an oversight on the part of iGrok. (If you guys believe 3 blues is balanced then Vivax and gumshoe are town as well. If not, well then you guys have another problem on your hands. ) This is why there was no counterclaiming of any roles; as I stated before, there are just enough green/blue roles for everyone (including scum/3p) to claim. The order of people claiming means exactly DICK ALL for this reason, so those of you who said solstice is town 'cause he claimed early? Yeah, no. Note the bolded, this right here is appeasement of scum. The big wtf change to the game occurred at 08:38 on July 1st Jar Jars claim occurred on July 1st 23:47 Jar Jar Lazer happened on July second at 05:56. Both after. No one is clear except Marv, whose claim happened at the very start of the game. Course this begs the question, why did Fuba claim survivor if he had a fake? We can only assume he was given the other miller role, which really really sucks for him. Technically scum would have been able to share whatever fakeclaims they got; I'd assume fuba really did get back and that was all that was left to him so they decided outing me by fakeclaiming 3P was the best thing to do since miller claiming would probably get him lynched anyway. Yeah as for Lazer/JJD claims I don't know. I wasn't even around at that point and didn't bother to check the timestamps lol. Meh. Dont lie to me WOS, I'm pretty sure you were just trying to not piss us scum off even more XD thats fine, but It doesn't seem likely. Mafia must hate you right now.
Well they started it.
And anyway, they're pretty resilient. I doubt this is going to be over just like that.
By the way if I was town I'd be saying something like, "Shouldn't you guys start trying to find out who the fuck else is scum?"
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Lol like I want scum looking for more reasons to kill me.
I'll just be an innocent bystander for a while, how about that?
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God damn it gumshoe I went from liking your posting early to finding you annoying to really liking you again.
It's a shame fuba is scum because he was pretty strong town in Roulette too.
As for speculation as to what happened on D1 with the hosts, I asked, they didn't tell me. You're probably right in that it's somehow related to the roleclaiming/gamebreaking business butyeah I dunno.
I didn't want to say so at the time but I definitely agree with those who said a mass rolelclaim kinda takes a little of the fun out of it, never mind the fact that it made the game very VERY difficult for me. I probably wouldn't have liked it as town either, but I suppose it's good experience to have as I've heard of this sort of thing happening before. Figures it's gotta be the first time I roll 3P.
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kk back.
So it turns out I'm not allowed to specify beyond what I already have regarding the fakeclaims.
So....yeah.
I guess that's pretty convenient fodder for all dem hataz but I don't really care. I'm pretty sure the relevant people know that I know shit.
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I like fuba's excuses being like 'wave can talk circles around me'
I'm honoured you'd think so highly of me.
That goes for gumshoe too I guess. I wouldn't call my play brilliant in the slightest---marv was right it was selfish as fuck.
:D
On July 04 2013 13:05 s0Lstice wrote:
oh cool, so you can answer what I just posed to gumshoe then?
Ah I was just looking for that and couldn't remember where I read it lol.
After the massclaim and general thread sentiment towards me I don't think there's any way I would have been able to get a townie lynched. It would have been my ass on a platter 100%. Still may be but at least I don't have to tryhard or lie anymore.
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Oh and a random question for Vivax whenever he gets back, if he happens to read this.
How do you know that scum don't have Hitler, hmmm?
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On July 04 2013 13:27 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 13:20 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Wave, please clear this up. Did you get your fakeclaim during the pause or did you get them after I claimed and the town started talking mass claim? How does this affect you?
Good question.
I'll answer JJD anyway; essentially upon writing my massive explanation I immediately remembered two people claimed way before everyone else. Since I was missing for much of D1 I thought that fakeclaim timing could maybe explain why you two claimed so early with respect to everyone else but I didn't bother to check timestamps or anything like that cuz lazy and it turns out I was probably wrong. As far as the timing of my fakeclaims I'm kind of hesitant to talk much more about shit iGrok and I talked about cuz against da rulez.
Let me make it real easy for you JJD. Vote me if you think I'm scum, vote Fuba if you think he's scum. I don't think anyone will hold it against you either way so you don't need to write a long essay about how I got caught in a slip or some shit because I honestly couldn't care any less.
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Oh fuba you cutie.
<3 Let's be on the same team next time, k? Also tell your scumbuddies they're jerks for making me claim.
Actually everyone in this game is a jerk for making me claim.
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On July 04 2013 13:41 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 13:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh fuba you cutie.
<3 Let's be on the same team next time, k? Also tell your scumbuddies they're jerks for making me claim.
Actually everyone in this game is a jerk for making me claim. dont do a bad fakeclaim next then bby
I had to 
I dunno call me paranoid but I don't really see how simply claiming Landa in the first place would have helped me. It would have painted a massive target on my back for scum since I would have been forced to help town.
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I dunno then again doesn't it make sense for both teams to just ignore my existence if I don't do anything?
haha like town defs wants to lynch scum at least off the bat so they reduce scum KP but then it's not like they don't win if they leave me unlynched...
I guess after my wanting kita dead in PTP recently I wouldn't trust town not to be needlessly spiteful either I suppose.
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On July 04 2013 13:43 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 13:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 04 2013 13:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 04 2013 13:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh fuba you cutie.
<3 Let's be on the same team next time, k? Also tell your scumbuddies they're jerks for making me claim.
Actually everyone in this game is a jerk for making me claim. dont do a bad fakeclaim next then bby I had to I dunno call me paranoid but I don't really see how simply claiming Landa in the first place would have helped me. It would have painted a massive target on my back for scum since I would have been forced to help town. jk yourself every day
Oh shits why didn't I think of that
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