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On July 03 2013 05:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dunno about Fuba, he might be scum. You guys can figure out that later after you've lynched marv. ^^
Is Lazer's townplay bad? I have never played with him. If he's town this game I'd say it certainly is, hence him looking really scummy and being forced to claim to save himself.
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Marv one simple question. Why have you not claimed the name of your role yet?
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Answer quick I've gotta go
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It makes a huge difference in terms of the ability of mafia to fakeclaim or not (which I guess we're about to find out anyway). Most people assumed earlier on that we'd break the game if everyone claimed names in the roles. You disappeared before all of that started happening but came back with more than enough time to do so.
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On July 03 2013 06:00 marvellosity wrote: Anyone claiming miller at this point should be instalynched, so it's totally irrelevant. Not the point, because we still have no idea if your claim is genuine, which I've been saying all game despite Rayn's flip-flopping on the matter. If you give us a name we'll have a better idea once others are forced to claim.
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On July 03 2013 06:01 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 06:00 marvellosity wrote: Anyone claiming miller at this point should be instalynched, so it's totally irrelevant. Not the point, because we still have no idea if your claim is genuine, which I've been saying all game despite Rayn's flip-flopping on the matter. If you give us a name we'll have a better idea once others are forced to claim. Although to be fair it IS totally irrelevant right now, but my point is that it wasn't yesterday, and you didn't claim your name.
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On July 03 2013 06:03 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 06:02 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 03 2013 06:01 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 03 2013 06:00 marvellosity wrote: Anyone claiming miller at this point should be instalynched, so it's totally irrelevant. Not the point, because we still have no idea if your claim is genuine, which I've been saying all game despite Rayn's flip-flopping on the matter. If you give us a name we'll have a better idea once others are forced to claim. Although to be fair it IS totally irrelevant right now, but my point is that it wasn't yesterday, and you didn't claim your name. Why was it relevant yesterday? In case another miller claimed? It was doubtful another miller was going to claim that late in the day. I feel it was relevant yesterday because people figured out the game could possibly be broken with name claiming. Other people gladly did so (when under pressure), and since your role (but not the name) was out there in the interest of being transparent (since you feel that is the best play and all) I feel you should have done the same and I find the fact that you didn't scummy.
Alright I'm out until after deadline.
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Ladies and gents we have a problem here. There are some fakeclaimers amongst the blues as I am Donny Donowitz. I'm assuming since the shot I took at marv didn't go through I was roleblocked. Vivax were you notified of your hit?
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There is no way in hell all the blue roles are present in this game so some people are lying.
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Who is left at this point for fuba, one of the millers? Was it Rayn who said the idea that the host gave out fakeclaims is stupid?
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On July 03 2013 09:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Ladies and gents we have a problem here. There are some fakeclaimers amongst the blues as I am Donny Donowitz. I'm assuming since the shot I took at marv didn't go through I was roleblocked. Vivax were you notified of your hit? Who do you think is lying? I have no clue now to be honest. I was worried when the possibility of fakeclaims were brought up that this would be a possibility. I have no fucking clue why I was roleblocked though.
I'm still thinking strictly role-wise it would make the most sense to have a cop in this game so certainly one of the protection/KP roles has to be a fake. Since I know mine is legit that leaves Vivax/gumshoe. Are 2 or 3 blues more likely in this setup because I would think then if only 2 blues are really present maybe Lazer DID fakeclaim along with one of the others. Gameplay-wise if I had to pick one of the blueclaims to lynch Lazer has had by far the scummiest play out of the three of them so I'd lynch him first. I'm not sure which of Vivax/gumshoe are lying if only 2 blues are present. In fact, ##Vote: Lazermonkey
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Uh.....I claimed and fucked off? Really? There were like 15 minutes between my claim and your post accusing me. Pretty quick to jump on me it seems.
Vivax you didn't respond, were you informed that you were shot or did you assume as such from the Daypost?
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On July 03 2013 09:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 09:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 03 2013 09:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 03 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Ladies and gents we have a problem here. There are some fakeclaimers amongst the blues as I am Donny Donowitz. I'm assuming since the shot I took at marv didn't go through I was roleblocked. Vivax were you notified of your hit? Who do you think is lying? I have no clue now to be honest. How do you not autovote lazer? If you were roleblocked then you're saying that you think mafia not only left the cop alive but didn't roleblock him as well? Shouldnt he should be confirmed scum to you? First of all, I did vote him. Second of all, mafia have no need to RB Lazer tonight if he is town, it takes him two nights to return a check. They can RB or kill him tomorrow and RB elsewhere to see what they can do, as it seems they may have done.
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On July 03 2013 09:34 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 09:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 03 2013 09:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 03 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Ladies and gents we have a problem here. There are some fakeclaimers amongst the blues as I am Donny Donowitz. I'm assuming since the shot I took at marv didn't go through I was roleblocked. Vivax were you notified of your hit? Who do you think is lying? I have no clue now to be honest. I was worried when the possibility of fakeclaims were brought up that this would be a possibility. I have no fucking clue why I was roleblocked though. I'm still thinking strictly role-wise it would make the most sense to have a cop in this game so certainly one of the protection/KP roles has to be a fake. Since I know mine is legit that leaves Vivax/gumshoe. Are 2 or 3 blues more likely in this setup because I would think then if only 2 blues are really present maybe Lazer DID fakeclaim along with one of the others. Gameplay-wise if I had to pick one of the blueclaims to lynch Lazer has had by far the scummiest play out of the three of them so I'd lynch him first. I'm not sure which of Vivax/gumshoe are lying if only 2 blues are present. In fact, ##Vote: Lazermonkey did you edit that vote in? I could have sworn it wasn't there originally Do you see an edit stamp? Derp.
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On July 03 2013 09:37 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 09:35 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 03 2013 09:34 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 03 2013 09:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 03 2013 09:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 03 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Ladies and gents we have a problem here. There are some fakeclaimers amongst the blues as I am Donny Donowitz. I'm assuming since the shot I took at marv didn't go through I was roleblocked. Vivax were you notified of your hit? Who do you think is lying? I have no clue now to be honest. I was worried when the possibility of fakeclaims were brought up that this would be a possibility. I have no fucking clue why I was roleblocked though. I'm still thinking strictly role-wise it would make the most sense to have a cop in this game so certainly one of the protection/KP roles has to be a fake. Since I know mine is legit that leaves Vivax/gumshoe. Are 2 or 3 blues more likely in this setup because I would think then if only 2 blues are really present maybe Lazer DID fakeclaim along with one of the others. Gameplay-wise if I had to pick one of the blueclaims to lynch Lazer has had by far the scummiest play out of the three of them so I'd lynch him first. I'm not sure which of Vivax/gumshoe are lying if only 2 blues are present. In fact, ##Vote: Lazermonkey did you edit that vote in? I could have sworn it wasn't there originally Do you see an edit stamp? Derp. Strange I totally missed it. Also I didn't realize parity cop worked like that. I thought you just submit 2 names each night and get same/different. Rayn mentioned this himself earlier in the day. Have you been reading at all?
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So here's another problem which nobody has been addressing either. Clearly some other people (non-blueclaim) are lying about their claims as well so they are no longer trustworthy based on tonight's massclaim.
Why has nobody mentioned this?
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On July 03 2013 08:47 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 08:44 gumshoe wrote:On July 03 2013 08:40 Vivax wrote: not necesarily my order of scumminess (though close) but this is the order I think people should claim. Use it if I die:
Put marv before gumshoe. The guy isn't pushing any reads. Only defending himself, talking about how his claim would be too risky, and hating. He said himself he fakeclaimed miller in another game. He says the claim isn't risky although he can still outplay the other miller if it comes to it. Look at how he pushes the wagons D1. He was pretty much throwing shit everywhere (WoS, Vayne, fuba) except on Lazer and see what sticks. He said Lazer looked like he was trying, but ignored Rayn saying that Lazer didn't push his scumread Vayne all day long. He just finished reading the thread and showed zero doubt. Even cockiness has a limit. A new day has begun, Rayne is dead and that, as somber a verdict, is a new beginning for thought. Expect cases soon. Also I've claimed revenge townie. Why not keep me around in case of a lylo situation? If it gets to that point you can shoot me to be sure and guarantee a win. Until then they're are always other scum. Do you have any specific questions or reads you want from me? How do you feel about my blue claim? I'd rather stop talking about all these claims and judge people by their play. How do you feel about lynching marv? Can you explain this please? You said this before I showed up to show the thread that scum clearly have fakeclaims. Did you know this was about to happen, good sir?
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On July 03 2013 09:49 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 09:30 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 03 2013 09:28 marvellosity wrote: Who cares if they did? How is it relevant? because then it doesnt matter as much if the fakeclaimer died because they wont lose KP anyway. This is a MAIN POINT in your defence that its too risky and not enough benefit for scum to claim. WoS, who is most likely for being scum out of the blue claimers? BECAUSE Im thinking its you for just claiming and fucking off without even mentioning ANYBODY. Wos has now claimed second to last with no green townie spots remaining, he likely waited to see what was left and took the final blue spot thinking hed have a better chance fighting two to three blues then he would a single townie or convincing town hes survivor. Furthermore we pretty much KNOW for a fact Vivax is blue because a) A kp was blocked. b) the only other way a kp could be blocked is by survivor, and no one has claimed survivor. C) Vivak's claim was too quick to just be opportunistic and has not been counter claimed. Considering all these factors I can only conceive of two believable possibilities, a) Scum witheld kp so that Vivak could claim vet(would be so godamm awesome) b) Vivak is telling the truth. Vivak is 99.99999 percent vet. Which leaves me Lazer and WOS whose claim I didn't believe even before he made it. Also why block or hold WOS? What has he done to make himself look blue? Wos is asking us to believe two incredibly farfetched things. 1) He just happened to be last claim. 2) He was role blocked? meh and meh. Also why was Lazer not shot if he is detective? Was scum content role blocking him? I've already gone into why I think they'res little harm in keeping me around. At the moment I find WOS to be so scummy he actually eclipses Marv. Oh and good god Jar Jar are we agreeing on something? Perhaps you reavaluate your read immediately. ##Vote WOS I didn't wait, I got home and claimed immediately. I mentioned I was going to be gone much earlier on in the day and I even asked people if they wanted to wait until I showed up to claim so something exactly like this wouldn't happen. I would have had no problem claiming first if I just so happened to be around.
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On July 03 2013 09:51 JarJarDrinks wrote: Don't think I'm missing anyone here:
marvellosity - Sgt. Hugo Stiglitz gumshoe - Shoshanna s0Lstice - Pierre LaPadite WaveofShadow - Sgt. Donny Donowitz mkfuba07 - Oatsmaster - Pfc. Andy Kagan Stutters695 - Vivax - Lt. Aldo Raine Lazermonkey - Cpl. Wilhelm Wicki JarJarDrinks - Pfc. Michael Zimmermann
Fuba and Stutters need to claim. Townie points to whichever one claims first. Wow didn't realize Stutters wasn't back either. Bonus points to those who can guess which one claims what. I'm gonna go with fuba claiming Hammersmark and Stutters claiming Ulmer.
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On July 03 2013 09:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Actually best scenario for today is that we leave the blue claims alone because it could be resolved tmr.
This actually seems like a good idea bt it's going to be hard for me to ignore what's going on with the blues currently. Lazer scummy, gumshoe going balls to the walls on me simply because I was the last blue to claim (even though I fucking told the thread exactly when I'd be back), and Vivax mysteriously disappearing all of a sudden when I come back.
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