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I have to do one of two things this game:
Either superdive Geript and find out if he's scum or town once and for all, or completely ignore him.
Anyway, we lynch DI up until the point he's modkilled or some shit.
Will have the chance to do some more reading in a bit to find out who our next target should be.
Something strikes me as off with Xatalos---it may have been the way he was super insane-o quick to believe Rayn without doubting anything he said but I want to be sure before laying down any suspicion.
It's probably fairly prudent to mention that it's entirely possible that the NKs were submitted on the basis of this being an extremely lurky scumteam. I think someone else mentioned 'everyone talking now is likely town' (though I forget when it was said offhand) and I remember it resonating with my thoughts.
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how does one "superdive geript"?
how can you wait to be sure to lay down any suspicion when that section of your post is a suspicion -.-
and the post of "everyone talking now is likely town" is less than 20 posts before yours...are you paying attention?
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FirmTofu's Suspicion Meter™
FirmTofu's patented suspicion meter is guaranteed to find scum or your money back! Just read carefully and vote accordingly and you will never be disappointed!
Target: jampidampi
On July 07 2013 17:47 jampidampi wrote:Morning! I'd like to bring to your attention a scum suspect that seems to be passing by the sidelines. That man is named FirmTofu. Just read his filter, it isn't long. Infact, it has only one post. This one: If you look at the post from a townie perspective you'd expect some kind of followup. There's none. Dudes scum.
Here we have jampidampi's first post. Let's first establish some context. jampidampi's first post is on page 21. A townie at this point should be looking for people who are actively scummy. He should be actively scumhunting. Instead, we see jampidampi trying to quickly establish town cred by accusing a player(me) who hasn't really contributed to the thread. Sure, it isn't scummy to draw attention to me, but it is scummy to believe that I am the best target to lynch. This play falls more in line with the presumption that jampidampi is scum. Scum jampidampi should be trying to "pretend" he's scumhunting by popping in and accusing lurkers while actually barely contributing at all.
Suspicion: +10
jampidampi's filter continues along this same line of thought for quite some time. He continues to avoid causing waves by questioning lurkers who are unlikely to respond to his accusations.
On July 07 2013 18:19 jampidampi wrote:
MajuGarzett is also really suspicious, all he has really done is fling mud onto rayn.
On July 07 2013 22:58 jampidampi wrote:
Stutters, who's scum?
Suspicion: +20
He does redeem himself however, by saying that Meapak(confirmed town) should be saved.
On July 09 2013 01:17 jampidampi wrote:
Meapak should be saved if possibel, he is totes town.
We have to remember that this does not exonerate jampidampi by any means. A scum jampidampi would already know Meapak is town and because Meapak is set to be nuked, he would want to let everyone know that he thinks Meapak is town to establish some town cred. It is tough to say one way or the other, so I consider this quote to be a null read.
Suspicion: +0
The Damning Evidence:
On July 09 2013 19:39 jampidampi wrote:I don't think rayn lauched the nuke. If he had a nuke, why wouldn't it have been launched here? Unless the nuke could be launched only by a PM to the hosts, rays nuke should have been launched at Xata early D1. Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyone who has a nuke available nuke geript. He's scum. Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
SOMEONE NUKE CHEZINU ASAP! HE IS NUKING TOWN! ANTI-NUKE! WHATEVER!
plz Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i do not have a nuke. I tell that now. SOMEONE NUKE CHEZINU!
Anyone who is town and has a nuke, nuke Chezinu-. Rayn calling for others to be nuked. If he had a nuke why wouldn't he nuke them himself? Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
jampidampi look at MZ and tell me what do you see. Here he's asking opinions on Meapak 10 min before mods confirmed the launch. If he's trying to get permission to fire the nuke or confirmation for his scumread wouldn't he wait until after the responses to fire the nuke? If he had already set his mind on nuking Meapak, why ask others for their opinion on Meapak? Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 18:31 geript wrote:
@rayn... was that you? No it was not me. I think town should claim all their nukes so that we can tell for sure if there is an unclaimed nuke that's from scum. I don't see any downside doing so. Either way if this nuke to MZ is from town, please claim it whoever shot it. If nobody claims it probably means MZ is town, i was wrong, and mafia is trying to frame me. Rays first post after the launch. If there is no downside for claiming a silent nuke why wouldn't you claim it right then? The bolded is especially odd. If you launched the nuke, why would it pop in to your mind that scum are trying to frame you by nuking your scumread who is actually town?
We all know that rayn didn't launch the nuke. How could he? He was VT. jampidampi seems to know this. All of his statements indicate that he already knows that rayn didn't launch the nuke and is trying to discredit rayn.
If jampidampi knew that rayn didn't launch the nuke, he must have known who DID.
Therefore, jampidampi could either be the townie that launched the nuke OR he could be on the scumteam that launched the nuke.
Scenario 1: jampidampi=town
If jampidampi was town and he truly believed that rayn lied about launching the nuke, why didn't he pursue rayn as a lynch target? All he did was try and discredit him!
Scenario 2: jampidampi=town
This seems to be the most logical conclusion, assuming that jampidampi already knew that rayn didn't launch the nuke.
Therefore, if you believe that jampidampi knew rayn didn't launch the nuke, the most logical approach would be to assume that jampidampi is scum.
Suspicion: +50
Suspicion Meter Report: 80
Suggested Course of Action: Lynch Target
I believe that jampidampi targeted Meapak with the nuke secretly. Once rayn claimed he had launched the nuke, scum jampidampi decided he could discredit him to get free town cred After all, he knew MZ was town and he knew rayn was lying. He knew that, eventually, rayn would cave in to his pressure and be caught lying, placing rayn in a difficult position.
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for your first point, he never says you're the best person to lynch I believe? The rest is good though and I agree with it.
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On July 10 2013 08:50 johnnywup wrote:
for your first point, he never says you're the best person to lynch I believe? The rest is good though and I agree with it.
It is essentially implied.
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I wouldn't say that. I think he was half joking anyways, but that doesn't really help his cause anyways.
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Ace, if dandel is replaced, do you still want to lynch that slot?
Austin looking like scum because rayn's reads are good and cause he asked me about why I used 1 shot yesterday and never drew any conclusions. Fake activity.
##vote Austin
Firmtofu, basically you think jampi scumslipped right?
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On July 10 2013 09:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ace, if dandel is replaced, do you still want to lynch that slot?
Austin looking like scum because rayn's reads are good and cause he asked me about why I used 1 shot yesterday and never drew any conclusions. Fake activity.
##vote Austin
Firmtofu, basically you think jampi scumslipped right?
Not really. I think he is scum based on a play that he made that suggests that he knows more than he is telling us. In probabilistic terms, his actions are more likely to be in line with a scum line of thinking than a town's.
So I wouldn't call it a scumslip exactly.
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Hmm.
Thoughts on Austin Firmtofu?
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On July 10 2013 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hmm.
Thoughts on Austin Firmtofu?
Austin is currently null for me. He makes a few posts that are scummy as hell, but he also makes an equal amount of posts that make me think he is town.
Ex of scummy thing he did: As soon as the votes started piling on the ON wagon that he started, he started backing off his lynch. I would like to think that a townie in his position would have pushe his best scum read no matter what.
Ex of a townie thing he did: he started questioning people about their thoughts on me. Honestly, all town members should have been doing this on Night 1. My play was very scummy considering I jumped on the ON wagon before it was a sure thing and I jumped off after it became obvious that it would go through. ON flipping town implicates me heavily and Austin pursuing this makes me believe he is town.
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explain the townie thing please. Why wouldnt austin.scum do it?
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On July 10 2013 09:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
explain the townie thing please. Why wouldnt austin.scum do it?
Of course, a scum Austin could do it, but I don't think it is coming from a scum point of view. It seems more like he is actively pursuing a read and scum hunting. I guess you could say I am cautiously optimistic about this play.
Honestly, I don't know. I played a newbie game with Austin once and I never could read him too well there either. Take my read with a grain of salt.
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Talk to me about other people, who are you looking at as being scum?
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On July 10 2013 09:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Talk to me about other people, who are you looking at as being scum?
Ace and Vayne. I've already talked in length about VA, so I won't bore you again.
As for Ace, I might make a post on him somewhere down the line, but for now, I would like to focus on jampidampi whom I consider to be the best lynch target today.
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I feel that the jampi case has too much speculation in it. Do you think he is scum if you ignore the nuke thing?
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Also, dear urrbody, dis here be a game about nukes. We had some nukes yesterday. It's quite possible we gon' have us some nukes today.
NOBODY should go off nuking willy-nilly. Best option is for anyone with a nuke today to claim it, and we'll use it as a bonus lynch (Definitely if you HAVE to nuke, possibly if you just have one).
Why?
Cuz. We know from D1 that scum or 3P have nukes, see the nuke on MZ if not more. We know based on MZ's flip that scum has nuke factories (no reason to give town a role that shuts down nuke factories if there aren't any non-town nuke factories).
HA. LOOK AT DEM TOWNIE THOUGHTS, FIGGERIN' OUT STUFF.
SO. What we'd like to do is be able to separate out townie nukes from scum nukes. It's possible all scum nukes are silent, and if that's the case, then boo. But! BUT! If scum nukes, or nukes from scum factories, have to be let off in thread, then by forcing nukers to claim and having nukes go off according to town's will, rather than the nuker's will, we:
(1) Control any possible mafia nukes that have to be used in thread (Go off nuking on your own = scum)
(2) Keep SOME shenanigans from occurring (mafia/town has been saying dude x is scummy, nukes dude x without discussing with town)
The more control we have over nukes, the better. Yes, it limits your ability to be a hero/throw a nuke wherever you want, but...see D1. The ability to use nukes as extra lynches AND restrict scum options, even just a little bit, is better for town than random people YOLO nuking.
At the very least, if anyone feels differently, thinks this is NOT a good idea, please to speak. But popping off nukes whenever you feel like it is generally bad, and lets mafia shoot their own nukes wherever they'd like as long as they can just say they thought the dude was scummy.
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I'm around for a bit as I'm taking a break from a brutal day. Any questions for me shoot.
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Yeah austin, why give advice? Scummy bro.
Whos scum?
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