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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 08 2013 17:49 GMT
#1101
On July 09 2013 02:43 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 02:40 Ace wrote:
On July 09 2013 02:38 Xatalos wrote:
On July 09 2013 02:33 Ace wrote:
On July 09 2013 02:31 Xatalos wrote:
On July 09 2013 02:11 Ace wrote:
That was a stupid decision WoS.


Less stupid than no-lynching today Ace... In fact, infinitely less stupid. A beacon of brilliance compared to your ideas.


I've never advocated no lynching. Stop saying that.


Lynching someone who was going to die anyways = no-lynch. It's simple logic. How can you refute that?


It is not a no lynch. Read what I said again. If we can't come to a consensus - vote on the person getting nuked.

Here is a question. If I'm advocating a No lynch who was I trying to save from dying?


Chezinu? Dandel Ion? They seem to be somewhat even atm so it's possible that you're scum with one of them and wanted to ensure that nobody got lynched.

Well he kind of voted Chezinu in the past.

Chezinu, Chezinu.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 08 2013 17:50 GMT
#1102
On July 09 2013 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 02:43 Xatalos wrote:
On July 09 2013 02:40 Ace wrote:
On July 09 2013 02:38 Xatalos wrote:
On July 09 2013 02:33 Ace wrote:
On July 09 2013 02:31 Xatalos wrote:
On July 09 2013 02:11 Ace wrote:
That was a stupid decision WoS.


Less stupid than no-lynching today Ace... In fact, infinitely less stupid. A beacon of brilliance compared to your ideas.


I've never advocated no lynching. Stop saying that.


Lynching someone who was going to die anyways = no-lynch. It's simple logic. How can you refute that?


It is not a no lynch. Read what I said again. If we can't come to a consensus - vote on the person getting nuked.

Here is a question. If I'm advocating a No lynch who was I trying to save from dying?


Chezinu? Dandel Ion? They seem to be somewhat even atm so it's possible that you're scum with one of them and wanted to ensure that nobody got lynched.

That seems pretty unlikely to me really. Ace appears to believe what he's saying; what I don't really get is why he felt so strongly about it.


Lots of lurkish behavior this game and in plurality lynch people can get killed off with low vote counts. I don't want that to happen so we can do vote analysis.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 08 2013 17:50 GMT
#1103
Ebwop: ninja'd by the man hisself anyway.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 08 2013 17:51 GMT
#1104
On July 09 2013 02:34 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 02:30 strongandbig wrote:
On July 09 2013 02:25 Z-BosoN wrote:
Ace, how is "not calling you "probably town" taking things way too far?

cause he town


Name your top scumreads and reasons for them now that you're finally here.


umm, idk. lets look at the playerlist for a second and cross-reference with my emotional impressions...




okay

vayne authority cause of the thing with the xatalos nuke but more importantly cause hes got two pages of filter and none of it is really interesting or relevant except for attackign caucasianasian's drunk post, plus the old timey favorite scum line
"Even if johnny does flip town, there's been a lot of decent discussion on it so it gives us a bit to work with as a day 1 lynch."


apparently people think gumshoe is town, why is that? i still think he was nuke fishing and has a role that gains power when he gets nuked.

who was the guy with a name that was kind of like geript who was just absolutely terrible? marv do you remember who i am talking about? he was in a couple games last year while i was in switzerland

what about oatsmaster being scum? his antinuke target on xatalos is very poorly explained and he justifies it by saying that he thinks its more likely that chezinu is scum than jhonnywups rather than saying anything about the target. like, seriously? you nuke someone cause you think they're scum, you save someone cause you think theyre town, and maphack_z looked way more townie than xatalos
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 08 2013 17:53 GMT
#1105
On July 09 2013 02:43 TanGeng wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 02:39 strongandbig wrote:
yeah sure

jonnywups post:

On July 07 2013 23:59 johnnywup wrote:
Okay, caught up reading since last night and reread some filters. A couple things:

andel Ion said he's going to stop posting during dayphase which is pretty stupid. I mean, of course an excuse to not post is scummy as hell but I don't think he would be stupid enough to do that if he was scum >_>

*I'd like him, Ghost_403, Oatsmaster, Stutters695, Z-Boson, Abenson, MajuGarzett, Strongandbig, gumshoe (he has posted a bit...but not about the game at hand...), CaucasianAsian, Nirvana.Gabo, FirmTofu all to start posting more. They haven't really given us any content to go off of. And that's like half the people in the game...

*I'm not sure what to think about Chezinu's nuke and it makes no sense to me, so I'm not going to try to make sense of it for now.

Oh crap, I just noticed Abenson voted me without saying in thread >_>. Would you like to give your reasons? You have given no indication of any opinion at all in this thread. I'd like you to tell me what you think about everyone.

There's 5 people voting me right now. Since I'm town, there's probably 2-3 scum voting for me and 2-3 misguided townies. Among the people who voted for me, I think WoS, TanGeng are the most scummy. I've already said why I don't like WoS, and I don't like TanGeng because for one thing he hopped on my bandwagon right after WoS wanted to start it...and he also hasn't said much. He's just been...there. He hasn't said anything of value. I'm pretty sure xatalos is town. I'm unsure about vayne.. I don't like him by any stretch of the imagination but he seems too bold voting me first...I don't know, he may be scum still. Abenson hasn't posted much...like at all. I can't really read him based on his posts in thread but he certainly looks like scum to me for quietly hopping on the bandwagon to vote me without saying anything.

So if I were to say whos townie and whos scum out of those 5 I'd say Xatalos and Vayne are town and the other 3 are scum, but I need more to go on from Abenson but he really hasn't given me a good first impression.

I've felt pretty strongly about WoS being scum since last night so I'm going to go ahead and put my vote there

##vote WaveofShadow


(1) lists every lurker in the game. no good reason to do that, its a waste of effort for town cause everyone can look for themselves whether a player has posted. literally no one will give a single shit about that list. however, its a convenient way for scum to pad out the post.

(2) excessive focus only on people who voted him rather than looking for reads and pursuing them throughout the game. indicates a "get people off of me" mentality rather than a "find who's scum" mentality.

(3) votes for wos, doesn't actually explain any reasons why he's scum except "look at before" despite talking about other players.

(4) his reasons for omgussing people voting him are all pretty bad; there's nothing about tanggang or abenson explaining why they have a scum mentality or whatever. goes wiht the "get people to stop voting me" rather than "find who's scum" mentality thing.

why did people say this was a townie looking post?


My thought was that there is too much evidence. Even when it was pointed out, johnnywup didn't change. Scum should have a bit more self-consciousness. Then again while we are on the subject of bad play then johnnywup can be just showing bad scum play. A few slips would be more telling. A lot of slips doesn't give as much information.


its just a bad post. when a post goes bad it can go bad in a bunch of ways at once but its still just a bad post, i don't agree that it can be too scummy for scum or whatever.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 08 2013 17:53 GMT
#1106
Just voted Dandel. I have sheeped but Ghost_403 can wait, I am uncomfortable lynching Chezinu just yet and it is between him and Dandel.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 17:55 GMT
#1107
On July 09 2013 02:48 Ace wrote:
Look at who was leading when I posted that. Dandel didn't have many votes, and Chezinu was leading. I then voted from Chezinu to Dandel.

Why would I be trying to save the people I'm voting for? :/


Hmm. Well, I guess that's not such a likely scenario (I'd put it in the same category as scum launching a fake nuke at scum Meapak).

I don't know why town Ace would advocate a no-lynch even instead of a random lurker though. Why is that your FIRST thought is to advice no-lynching if we can't get a clear consensus? Shouldn't you be pushing your own opinion right now instead of waiting for a consensus or softly pushing a no-lynch? It feels overall scummy.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
July 08 2013 17:57 GMT
#1108
On July 09 2013 02:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok this has been bugging me a little.
Who has played with Boson before/
Boson why do you tend not to contribute to conversations taking place and help us out with those and instead follow your own trains of thought and lines of questioning all game? Can you not do both?


I'm still lagged behind, and I don't see the purpose of your conversation. You are hinting aggression towards ace with few hours left on the vote deadline, when he is clearly not getting lynched

We should be focusing on whether or not we are going through a policy lynch or if we should try to find a better suspect.

I don't like a policy lynch and I want to find a better suspect to suggest we lynch. Austin seems like a solid choice, and I am prompting for him to answer before I go balls out.

Also, just stfu about chezinu. So much pointless discussion on someone who is so random and hard to read. If he were scum, why wouldn't he also explain his "bad nuke"? I can't make sense from his play and I feel it's just a wasted effort, and thus will not bother with it. I may be dead wrong here, but he is better suited for blue roles (checks and such).

I feel austin is the better choice here. Veyne is also good, but I want to save him for later.




Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 08 2013 17:57 GMT
#1109
On July 09 2013 02:51 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 02:34 Xatalos wrote:
On July 09 2013 02:30 strongandbig wrote:
On July 09 2013 02:25 Z-BosoN wrote:
Ace, how is "not calling you "probably town" taking things way too far?

cause he town


Name your top scumreads and reasons for them now that you're finally here.


umm, idk. lets look at the playerlist for a second and cross-reference with my emotional impressions...




okay

vayne authority cause of the thing with the xatalos nuke but more importantly cause hes got two pages of filter and none of it is really interesting or relevant except for attackign caucasianasian's drunk post, plus the old timey favorite scum line
Show nested quote +
"Even if johnny does flip town, there's been a lot of decent discussion on it so it gives us a bit to work with as a day 1 lynch."


apparently people think gumshoe is town, why is that? i still think he was nuke fishing and has a role that gains power when he gets nuked.

who was the guy with a name that was kind of like geript who was just absolutely terrible? marv do you remember who i am talking about? he was in a couple games last year while i was in switzerland

what about oatsmaster being scum? his antinuke target on xatalos is very poorly explained and he justifies it by saying that he thinks its more likely that chezinu is scum than jhonnywups rather than saying anything about the target. like, seriously? you nuke someone cause you think they're scum, you save someone cause you think theyre town, and maphack_z looked way more townie than xatalos


... Wow this is true, that would be a great way for town cred and pushing agenda all in one post!

Just one question........

.... What scum role has that power, and why save either townie? Is the cred really worth it?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 08 2013 17:59 GMT
#1110
On July 09 2013 02:55 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 02:48 Ace wrote:
Look at who was leading when I posted that. Dandel didn't have many votes, and Chezinu was leading. I then voted from Chezinu to Dandel.

Why would I be trying to save the people I'm voting for? :/


Hmm. Well, I guess that's not such a likely scenario (I'd put it in the same category as scum launching a fake nuke at scum Meapak).

I don't know why town Ace would advocate a no-lynch even instead of a random lurker though. Why is that your FIRST thought is to advice no-lynching if we can't get a clear consensus? Shouldn't you be pushing your own opinion right now instead of waiting for a consensus or softly pushing a no-lynch? It feels overall scummy.


read my reply to WoS.

I am pushing my own opinions btw and I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. When I say consensus, I don't mean everyone waiting to discuss stuff and sheep each other. I mean consensus via vote count so we have legit wagons to analyze. Not people dying with 3 votes on them in a 20+ player game.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 08 2013 17:59 GMT
#1111
Also I am down for a Vayne lynch, but only if it were to surpass chez.
Otherwise here I am on Dandel Ion.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 17:59 GMT
#1112
On July 09 2013 02:51 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 02:34 Xatalos wrote:
On July 09 2013 02:30 strongandbig wrote:
On July 09 2013 02:25 Z-BosoN wrote:
Ace, how is "not calling you "probably town" taking things way too far?

cause he town


Name your top scumreads and reasons for them now that you're finally here.


umm, idk. lets look at the playerlist for a second and cross-reference with my emotional impressions...




okay

vayne authority cause of the thing with the xatalos nuke but more importantly cause hes got two pages of filter and none of it is really interesting or relevant except for attackign caucasianasian's drunk post, plus the old timey favorite scum line
Show nested quote +
"Even if johnny does flip town, there's been a lot of decent discussion on it so it gives us a bit to work with as a day 1 lynch."


apparently people think gumshoe is town, why is that? i still think he was nuke fishing and has a role that gains power when he gets nuked.

who was the guy with a name that was kind of like geript who was just absolutely terrible? marv do you remember who i am talking about? he was in a couple games last year while i was in switzerland

what about oatsmaster being scum? his antinuke target on xatalos is very poorly explained and he justifies it by saying that he thinks its more likely that chezinu is scum than jhonnywups rather than saying anything about the target. like, seriously? you nuke someone cause you think they're scum, you save someone cause you think theyre town, and maphack_z looked way more townie than xatalos


Why is Meapak "way more townish" than me and why would Oatsmaster save me as scum?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
July 08 2013 17:59 GMT
#1113
SnB nuke fishing doesn't mean he's not town though, could be something as simple as a vet to God knows how crazy.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
July 08 2013 18:00 GMT
#1114
On July 09 2013 02:55 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 02:48 Ace wrote:
Look at who was leading when I posted that. Dandel didn't have many votes, and Chezinu was leading. I then voted from Chezinu to Dandel.

Why would I be trying to save the people I'm voting for? :/


Hmm. Well, I guess that's not such a likely scenario (I'd put it in the same category as scum launching a fake nuke at scum Meapak).

I don't know why town Ace would advocate a no-lynch even instead of a random lurker though. Why is that your FIRST thought is to advice no-lynching if we can't get a clear consensus? Shouldn't you be pushing your own opinion right now instead of waiting for a consensus or softly pushing a no-lynch? It feels overall scummy.


Focus. He's unlikely to get lynched today. I'm glad you agree that he is scummy, but I feel time is better spent discussing this after the lynch time.

Right now, aside from a policy lynch, who are your top lynches?
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 08 2013 18:01 GMT
#1115
@Boson: what was the actual case for Austin?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 08 2013 18:03 GMT
#1116
On July 09 2013 02:55 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 02:48 Ace wrote:
Look at who was leading when I posted that. Dandel didn't have many votes, and Chezinu was leading. I then voted from Chezinu to Dandel.

Why would I be trying to save the people I'm voting for? :/


Hmm. Well, I guess that's not such a likely scenario (I'd put it in the same category as scum launching a fake nuke at scum Meapak).

I don't know why town Ace would advocate a no-lynch even instead of a random lurker though. Why is that your FIRST thought is to advice no-lynching if we can't get a clear consensus? Shouldn't you be pushing your own opinion right now instead of waiting for a consensus or softly pushing a no-lynch? It feels overall scummy.
If Ace is scum and we don't have one super mega leading candidate because of good case/trustable check/etc. etc., why would he advocate no-lynching?

Given the lack of clear target, scum could easily push a lynch onto a townie with a small amount of work and like...two or three votes max probably.

Because it's just plurality lynch and is currently dis-organized, there's no reason for scum to try for a "no-lynch" when they could get a lynch on a townie.

Moreover, I don't read Ace's post as pushing for a no-lynch.
  • Within THIS GAME, if we can trust xatalos's claim, we know that some people can survive some nukes
  • Within OTHER GAMES, we have seen fake nukes. They get the host confirmation in thread, don't kill
  • Within THIS GAME, we have seen silent nukes AND the ability to re-direct/defend against nukes. It's entirely possible someone can silently defend/re-direct a nuke, meaning that a nuke on scum doesn't always equal dead scum.
While we THINK that anyone getting nuked will be dead, we don't actually know that, and just within the last like...12 hours, we've discovered that two people we all assumed would be dead from nukage (xat, MZ) are no longer going to be dead from nukage (we think).

We don't know all the roles and rules here, but we DO know that Dude X getting nuked does not mean that Dude X will die, for a number of reasons.
Fe fi fo fum.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
July 08 2013 18:06 GMT
#1117
We've already seen someone silently redirect a nuke. That ability is apparently from WoS. The only reason we know is that WoS shared details about his ability before doing it.
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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 08 2013 18:09 GMT
#1118
On July 08 2013 22:51 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 06:15 austinmcc wrote:
On July 08 2013 06:06 Xatalos wrote:
On July 08 2013 05:56 austinmcc wrote:
On July 08 2013 05:51 Xatalos wrote:
I'll go ahead and vote austinmcc now.

##Vote austinmcc

He's been basically just asking (filler) questions and not scumhunting or showing effort so far. At least he's less lurky than in PTP, but that's not a hard feat, and it's still not even close to how I remember his townie self. Just comparing his town meta to this game (or PTP) makes it feel like he has to be scum or 3rd party etc. I didn't push this stance hard enough in PTP, but I'm not going to repeat the same mistake now - unless he starts appearing townish ASAP.

geript, you still want to lynch WoS or whom?
What is my town meta? More specifically, my town meta in a large game?

Also, do you have interest in the answers to the questions that I have asked, but have not gotten answers to?


Paranoia Mafia. That's the only game where we've played together as town so far, I think.

Actually I suspected you there for some time (role-related stuff) but I didn't think your overall posting was scummy. In fact, I mentioned at several points how townish your posting was, and ultimately I came to the right and simple conclusion that you were indeed town.

I can't say I get any of that same feeling in this game so far though.

What does your last sentence mean?
As far as I can tell, you gave three reasons for thinking I'm scummy.

I'm basically just asking filler questions
I'm not scumhunting/putting in effort
I am not my townie self/I am not playing in accordance with my town meta


My last sentence is in relation to your first reason for thinking I'm scum. If my questions are filler, they don't matter, and I'm not going anywhere with them. However, if you're actually interested in the answers to my questions, then they don't seem like they are filler. If you're not interested in the answers to my questions, I ... I dunno, I think you should be.

As far as meta, go look at any larger game. Especially a larger game where I don't know 1/2 or 2/3 the people. My play in a single medium-size game, where I was blue, and almost got lynched because I was an idiot, doesn't seem like the perfect point of comparison. Or go look at my scum games. I was interested in what exactly you were pulling meta from, seeing as it appears to be a large part of your reason for voting me.

That's it, was just poking at your reasons for voting me.


austin, I don't think you can get away with justifying your play here with a "go look at my town meta in a larger game".
Here's your filter from Liquid City: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=371260&user=austinmcc

You seemed a ton more interested in the game. Here the only part where I felt you interested is when you were defending yourself.

Can you give me something on Alaskaslam? You had some interaction with him, and I'd like to know your opinion on him atm.


As long as I'm posting that, I'll address this.

Go read my filter, or the D1 there. If you remember, marv and others wanted to lynch me, and at some point like 3/4 of the way through D1 I picked up a couple votes with a few others thinking about voting me if I didn't get back and do something.

I came back to the thread with a couple hours to go in D1. Posted a bunch of stuff. Most of it was wrong, but i DID nail scumNode and almost got him lynched before we all swapped off. I actually didn't do much D1 of that game until the last few hours, got called out for it, and got in some decent posting only at the very end of the day.


As far as alakaslam, I'm null/mildly town on him. I get very, very frustrated with people who don't post solid reasoning and rely on general statements like "My read is x because of his filter." In the past, I have found it very scummy when people did not substantiate with specific references to posts/conversations at a granular level. Alakaslam did not do that, and continued to not do that. However, I have also found that there are lots of people who just don't get that granular, and it's not as scummy as my mind tells me it is. Given the way in which he responded, playing the new guy/what do you want from me card SO hard, and how he continued to try and post and eventually DID post something specific about the MZ/rayn exchange he liked, I am not scummy on him. I don't think he should be a focus right now.
Fe fi fo fum.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 08 2013 18:09 GMT
#1119
On July 09 2013 03:00 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 02:55 Xatalos wrote:
On July 09 2013 02:48 Ace wrote:
Look at who was leading when I posted that. Dandel didn't have many votes, and Chezinu was leading. I then voted from Chezinu to Dandel.

Why would I be trying to save the people I'm voting for? :/


Hmm. Well, I guess that's not such a likely scenario (I'd put it in the same category as scum launching a fake nuke at scum Meapak).

I don't know why town Ace would advocate a no-lynch even instead of a random lurker though. Why is that your FIRST thought is to advice no-lynching if we can't get a clear consensus? Shouldn't you be pushing your own opinion right now instead of waiting for a consensus or softly pushing a no-lynch? It feels overall scummy.


Focus. He's unlikely to get lynched today. I'm glad you agree that he is scummy, but I feel time is better spent discussing this after the lynch time.

Right now, aside from a policy lynch, who are your top lynches?


Whatever, I guess it's a waste of time atm to talk about Ace.

I still feel like austinmcc has a good chance of being scum. See my earlier (2 I think) case-posts about him. It's not making me feel any better that he still hasn't done anything after hastily defending himself against me. He hasn't really done anything remarkable at all besides defending my pressure. But he's not getting lynched today clearly.

I'm fine with either Chezinu or Dandel Ion, who are the top lynch candidates atm. Chezinu for nuking me and not doing anything after that despite requests and Dandel Ion for playing very differently from his town meta and quite much like his scum meta (inactive and useless).
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This lynch looks so bad and we should be lynching Chezinu.
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