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Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
June 22 2013 05:10 GMT
#561
Hey guys, RL stuff came up so I'm not around for the next 3-4 days so Adam4167 will be replacing me shortly
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 07:14 GMT
#562
I have little no interest in further explaining the posts that I have already made. Read them yourselves if you fail to understand what I've said.

That being the case, it's ridiculously disturbing that Hapa comes in with a pseudo-case on me after Oats and DP both agree that I'm somehow still scummy. None of this was said while I was talking to Hapa earlier, nor has he seemed particularly enthusiastic about lynching me in the first place. Hapa as scum would be afraid to attack me openly and directly, especially without support, but Hapa as town would be fearless and bullheaded in his suspicion of me, if it actually existed.

The way Hapa has played this so far, I'm reasonably convinced that he is mafia. His noncommittal stance on me and his weak reads elsewhere are not what I would expect from town Hapa. This Hapa seems much more content with blending in than actually leading discussion, a trait that I associate directly with scum Hapa.

Looks like I should have gone with my gut from his first post.

##Vote Hapahauli
Writer@WriterYamato
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 22 2013 08:02 GMT
#563
@ Yamato

Well I think you're misunderstanding (purposefully or not) my motives here. If I thought you were scum, I would vote you. Hell if I was scum, I'd vote tunnel the shit out of you. I've done it before, and I'd have no qualms about doing it again.

I've had success as town not because I'm "committal", but because I'm anything but. I'm willing to be cautious, think things through, and take things slow. I have a lot of hesitancy about lynching a player like you, because you are a player (if you're town and left alive to the end) can put things together. I'm not lynching you unless I'm sure you're scum.

So answer my questions. I don't think they're baseless, nor do I think you answered them in your filter.
1) Why were you so willing to back down from your read on Shiao? It is extremely uncharacteristic of your early-game to do so.
2)
On June 22 2013 04:03 yamato77 wrote:
So if it isn't alignment indicative, as the both of you claim, I suppose there's nothing else about his posting that raises any alarms.

##unvote

Notably, he is on my watch list still.


The bolded passage is strictly wrong. There clearly are other parts of Shiao's posting and game you were suspicious of. Yet you seemed to have forgotten completely about them the second marv and I confronted you about your second wave of suspicions on him.

3) Regarding your "lack of suspicion" (willing to wait on SloOsh, OO, and Sylencia), I'll admit you did respond to that, and I let it pass earlier, but it doesn't sit well with me.

Particularly your town-read on OO. I have no idea how OO's play so far can warrant a town-read from you. Not only is there a small sample size, but you call his posting "brave" when it's very clearly not. Your explanation doesn't cut it:
Why would scum OO call Oats town at that moment? Unless he's just posting to post, I don't see it. that may be the case, but I feel that it's more likely that he's town from that post than scum.


This doesn't make sense. Why wouldn't "scum OO" call Oats town here? There's nothing brave about lightly calling someone town and supporting a policy lynch on them anyway. Scum do that all the time in varying degrees.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 08:10 GMT
#564
My opinion of OO has changed. Upon re-examination, and due to his lack of contribution in over 24 hours, I now consider him a decent candidate for lynch.

Sloosh posted meaningful things, I'm willing to let him slide by. Sylencia is apparently replacing out, which is a scum tell lately. Everyone else besides yourself, DP, Ange, and Shaio seem relatively town enough for me to write them off FOR TODAY.

There are, indeed, other parts of Shaio's play I don't like, but they aren't convincing enough to make me want to lynch him. He was lynchbait in my first scumgame while he was alive, and you guys did end up lynching his replacement largely as a result of this.

Perhaps my phrasing has been poor this game, but being clear with how I feel about a particular player's posting when things are not as black and white as I'd like them to be is difficult. I think it's fairly obvious that I'm not particularly confident in any read.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 08:13 GMT
#565
My problem with you is that you seem afraid to call me mafia, like you're scared that I'll insta-tunnel you for it and get you lynched. This doesn't feel like the organic line of questioning I usually receive from town Hapa at all.
Writer@WriterYamato
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 22 2013 08:21 GMT
#566
What about DP is cause for concern? I've seen you say that you "worry" about him a lot, but you've said virtually nothing specific about him.

Also,
Perhaps my phrasing has been poor this game, but being clear with how I feel about a particular player's posting when things are not as black and white as I'd like them to be is difficult. I think it's fairly obvious that I'm not particularly confident in any read.


So is this a pressure vote on me or are you reasonably confident I'm mafia?

On June 22 2013 17:13 yamato77 wrote:
My problem with you is that you seem afraid to call me mafia, like you're scared that I'll insta-tunnel you for it and get you lynched. This doesn't feel like the organic line of questioning I usually receive from town Hapa at all.


Question: when have I ever been afraid to call someone mafia when I'm mafia? >>
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 08:31 GMT
#567
On June 22 2013 17:21 Hapahauli wrote:
What about DP is cause for concern? I've seen you say that you "worry" about him a lot, but you've said virtually nothing specific about him.

Also,
Show nested quote +
Perhaps my phrasing has been poor this game, but being clear with how I feel about a particular player's posting when things are not as black and white as I'd like them to be is difficult. I think it's fairly obvious that I'm not particularly confident in any read.


So is this a pressure vote on me or are you reasonably confident I'm mafia?

Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 17:13 yamato77 wrote:
My problem with you is that you seem afraid to call me mafia, like you're scared that I'll insta-tunnel you for it and get you lynched. This doesn't feel like the organic line of questioning I usually receive from town Hapa at all.


Question: when have I ever been afraid to call someone mafia when I'm mafia? >>

Do you think DP seems particularly interested in this game? I don't.

You being timid in a game is how you seem as mafia. I don't like that you seem sheepish with your timing of questioning me right after Oats and DP state their suspicion of me.
Writer@WriterYamato
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 22 2013 09:01 GMT
#568
On June 22 2013 17:31 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 17:21 Hapahauli wrote:
What about DP is cause for concern? I've seen you say that you "worry" about him a lot, but you've said virtually nothing specific about him.

Also,
Perhaps my phrasing has been poor this game, but being clear with how I feel about a particular player's posting when things are not as black and white as I'd like them to be is difficult. I think it's fairly obvious that I'm not particularly confident in any read.


So is this a pressure vote on me or are you reasonably confident I'm mafia?

On June 22 2013 17:13 yamato77 wrote:
My problem with you is that you seem afraid to call me mafia, like you're scared that I'll insta-tunnel you for it and get you lynched. This doesn't feel like the organic line of questioning I usually receive from town Hapa at all.


Question: when have I ever been afraid to call someone mafia when I'm mafia? >>

Do you think DP seems particularly interested in this game? I don't.


I agree with that, and this was the answer I was looking for. DP has posted alot, but really hasn't shown the engagement/emotion I'd expect from him. He seems comfortable, which is a really weird feeling.

Both him and Rayn actually. Rayn's play just feels off. He's literally suspicious of every person in this game. And not in a "paranoid, spazzy townie" way. It feels very controlled and deliberate, which is just strange and scummy. I'll write something up when it's not 5am >>

You being timid in a game is how you seem as mafia. I don't like that you seem sheepish with your timing of questioning me right after Oats and DP state their suspicion of me.


Oats, DP, and Rayn have all been suspicious of you during pretty much all points of the game. It's not like there was ever a point in the game where I wouldn't "sheep" to some degree.

As for the timing... well it is what it is. And honestly yes you're right in that I'm being a bit more passive than usual. It's part a conscious effort on my end to post-less and re-read more, and part just a general burn-out I've been feeling in the last few games I've played.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 09:17 GMT
#569
##Unvote

I'll look at Rayn. OO is a good choice for lynch, but it unsettles me that DP is okay with his lynch, and has been for a while.
Writer@WriterYamato
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 22 2013 09:34 GMT
#570
On June 22 2013 13:56 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 07:49 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Cora

You need to take a deep breath, step outside, and come back in an hour or so.

This isn't a game about a grudge with Marv - it's a game about finding mafia. Antagonizing people isn't going to get us anywhere.


The problem is that Marv tunnels me in every single game we play together. How is that helpful ever?


I didn't tunnel you in Duel, nor did I tunnel you in this game, I asked one other player about one thing you did this game. Grow up.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 22 2013 09:36 GMT
#571
On June 22 2013 18:01 Hapahauli wrote:

Both him and Rayn actually. Rayn's play just feels off. He's literally suspicious of every person in this game. And not in a "paranoid, spazzy townie" way. It feels very controlled and deliberate, which is just strange and scummy. I'll write something up when it's not 5am >>


Hapa, I'd very much like to hear your case or whatever it is on rayn, because he's someone I've felt quite good about.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 10:02 GMT
#572
Deadline is in, what, 11 hours?

fuuuuuuuuu this town so lurky.

I go to bed hoping to see OO/Shiao posts when I wake up. I'm getting the itch to lynch into useless people.
Writer@WriterYamato
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 22 2013 10:26 GMT
#573
wow goodkarma's case one me was just as terrible as the one on oats.
Fairly happy with where my vote is right now.
Just for the sake of refuting:
I am not contradicting myself there, gk just shows lack of reading thoroughly. I am voting him cause he is fabricating stuff on oats, meta is supportive of my trian of thought not the main argument. So since you just did another terrible forced case, my vote is more than justified.

I am striking sloosh of the list for now and adding some others.
Ange, DP and OO really should come in and take some stances now
Ange has only been asking questions thus far and not been very helpful, DP is playing not as active as I am used to and OO just vanished.

None of them strike me as scummy as gk though so my vote stays.
I'll be around for a bit, but then off to party so don't even expect me to be around deadline.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 22 2013 10:29 GMT
#574
Yeah, I'm pretty worried about Ange now. She didn't really achieve anything at all when she was in the thread last night.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
June 22 2013 10:49 GMT
#575
Yeah, it's the weekend and I am at a LAN. So I'll play when I get home.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 22 2013 11:07 GMT
#576
rofl Hapa, make a case. Just a couple of questions:

1) Where did the "GK is my top scumread" fade so easily?
2) You still didn't explain to me why did you buy yamato's explanation for his reads so easily.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 22 2013 11:08 GMT
#577
Oh and yes, i still think yamato is scum. He has not explained himself and he is trying to go where ever he can with his vote that's not him.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 22 2013 11:52 GMT
#578
For the record, i'm not interested in lynching ShiaoPi. I will accept yamato/Hapa (depending of his answers)/Ange/OO/GK lynch. Preferring the two first.

ShiaoPi, Oats and Cora are town, strongly leaning town on marv aswell.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 22 2013 12:17 GMT
#579
Actually (after re-reading), after Hapa writes his "case" on me i'll tell you the following things:
1) Why Hapa and yamato are scum
2) Why marv is town
3) How i play as scum and how i play as town
4) Why i am town and see point #1
table for two on a tv tray
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
June 22 2013 12:25 GMT
#580
On June 22 2013 19:26 ShiaoPi wrote:
wow goodkarma's case one me was just as terrible as the one on oats.
Fairly happy with where my vote is right now.
Just for the sake of refuting:
I am not contradicting myself there, gk just shows lack of reading thoroughly. I am voting him cause he is fabricating stuff on oats, meta is supportive of my trian of thought not the main argument. So since you just did another terrible forced case, my vote is more than justified.

I am striking sloosh of the list for now and adding some others.
Ange, DP and OO really should come in and take some stances now
Ange has only been asking questions thus far and not been very helpful, DP is playing not as active as I am used to and OO just vanished.

None of them strike me as scummy as gk though so my vote stays.
I'll be around for a bit, but then off to party so don't even expect me to be around deadline.


If this is all Shao has to say then I see no reason to unvote him. He's failed to show how what he perceives to be a "bad case" is in fact "fabricated." The more concerning part is his new "list" (Ange/DP/OO), which more or less magically popped up to mirror thread sentiment.
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