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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
That being the case, it's ridiculously disturbing that Hapa comes in with a pseudo-case on me after Oats and DP both agree that I'm somehow still scummy. None of this was said while I was talking to Hapa earlier, nor has he seemed particularly enthusiastic about lynching me in the first place. Hapa as scum would be afraid to attack me openly and directly, especially without support, but Hapa as town would be fearless and bullheaded in his suspicion of me, if it actually existed. The way Hapa has played this so far, I'm reasonably convinced that he is mafia. His noncommittal stance on me and his weak reads elsewhere are not what I would expect from town Hapa. This Hapa seems much more content with blending in than actually leading discussion, a trait that I associate directly with scum Hapa. Looks like I should have gone with my gut from his first post. ##Vote Hapahauli | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Well I think you're misunderstanding (purposefully or not) my motives here. If I thought you were scum, I would vote you. Hell if I was scum, I'd vote tunnel the shit out of you. I've done it before, and I'd have no qualms about doing it again. I've had success as town not because I'm "committal", but because I'm anything but. I'm willing to be cautious, think things through, and take things slow. I have a lot of hesitancy about lynching a player like you, because you are a player (if you're town and left alive to the end) can put things together. I'm not lynching you unless I'm sure you're scum. So answer my questions. I don't think they're baseless, nor do I think you answered them in your filter. 1) Why were you so willing to back down from your read on Shiao? It is extremely uncharacteristic of your early-game to do so. 2) On June 22 2013 04:03 yamato77 wrote: So if it isn't alignment indicative, as the both of you claim, I suppose there's nothing else about his posting that raises any alarms. ##unvote Notably, he is on my watch list still. The bolded passage is strictly wrong. There clearly are other parts of Shiao's posting and game you were suspicious of. Yet you seemed to have forgotten completely about them the second marv and I confronted you about your second wave of suspicions on him. 3) Regarding your "lack of suspicion" (willing to wait on SloOsh, OO, and Sylencia), I'll admit you did respond to that, and I let it pass earlier, but it doesn't sit well with me. Particularly your town-read on OO. I have no idea how OO's play so far can warrant a town-read from you. Not only is there a small sample size, but you call his posting "brave" when it's very clearly not. Your explanation doesn't cut it: Why would scum OO call Oats town at that moment? Unless he's just posting to post, I don't see it. that may be the case, but I feel that it's more likely that he's town from that post than scum. This doesn't make sense. Why wouldn't "scum OO" call Oats town here? There's nothing brave about lightly calling someone town and supporting a policy lynch on them anyway. Scum do that all the time in varying degrees. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Sloosh posted meaningful things, I'm willing to let him slide by. Sylencia is apparently replacing out, which is a scum tell lately. Everyone else besides yourself, DP, Ange, and Shaio seem relatively town enough for me to write them off FOR TODAY. There are, indeed, other parts of Shaio's play I don't like, but they aren't convincing enough to make me want to lynch him. He was lynchbait in my first scumgame while he was alive, and you guys did end up lynching his replacement largely as a result of this. Perhaps my phrasing has been poor this game, but being clear with how I feel about a particular player's posting when things are not as black and white as I'd like them to be is difficult. I think it's fairly obvious that I'm not particularly confident in any read. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Also, Perhaps my phrasing has been poor this game, but being clear with how I feel about a particular player's posting when things are not as black and white as I'd like them to be is difficult. I think it's fairly obvious that I'm not particularly confident in any read. So is this a pressure vote on me or are you reasonably confident I'm mafia? On June 22 2013 17:13 yamato77 wrote: My problem with you is that you seem afraid to call me mafia, like you're scared that I'll insta-tunnel you for it and get you lynched. This doesn't feel like the organic line of questioning I usually receive from town Hapa at all. Question: when have I ever been afraid to call someone mafia when I'm mafia? >> | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On June 22 2013 17:21 Hapahauli wrote: What about DP is cause for concern? I've seen you say that you "worry" about him a lot, but you've said virtually nothing specific about him. Also, So is this a pressure vote on me or are you reasonably confident I'm mafia? Question: when have I ever been afraid to call someone mafia when I'm mafia? >> Do you think DP seems particularly interested in this game? I don't. You being timid in a game is how you seem as mafia. I don't like that you seem sheepish with your timing of questioning me right after Oats and DP state their suspicion of me. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On June 22 2013 17:31 yamato77 wrote: Do you think DP seems particularly interested in this game? I don't. I agree with that, and this was the answer I was looking for. DP has posted alot, but really hasn't shown the engagement/emotion I'd expect from him. He seems comfortable, which is a really weird feeling. Both him and Rayn actually. Rayn's play just feels off. He's literally suspicious of every person in this game. And not in a "paranoid, spazzy townie" way. It feels very controlled and deliberate, which is just strange and scummy. I'll write something up when it's not 5am >> You being timid in a game is how you seem as mafia. I don't like that you seem sheepish with your timing of questioning me right after Oats and DP state their suspicion of me. Oats, DP, and Rayn have all been suspicious of you during pretty much all points of the game. It's not like there was ever a point in the game where I wouldn't "sheep" to some degree. As for the timing... well it is what it is. And honestly yes you're right in that I'm being a bit more passive than usual. It's part a conscious effort on my end to post-less and re-read more, and part just a general burn-out I've been feeling in the last few games I've played. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
I'll look at Rayn. OO is a good choice for lynch, but it unsettles me that DP is okay with his lynch, and has been for a while. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On June 22 2013 13:56 cDgCorazon wrote: The problem is that Marv tunnels me in every single game we play together. How is that helpful ever? I didn't tunnel you in Duel, nor did I tunnel you in this game, I asked one other player about one thing you did this game. Grow up. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On June 22 2013 18:01 Hapahauli wrote: Both him and Rayn actually. Rayn's play just feels off. He's literally suspicious of every person in this game. And not in a "paranoid, spazzy townie" way. It feels very controlled and deliberate, which is just strange and scummy. I'll write something up when it's not 5am >> Hapa, I'd very much like to hear your case or whatever it is on rayn, because he's someone I've felt quite good about. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
fuuuuuuuuu this town so lurky. I go to bed hoping to see OO/Shiao posts when I wake up. I'm getting the itch to lynch into useless people. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
Fairly happy with where my vote is right now. Just for the sake of refuting: I am not contradicting myself there, gk just shows lack of reading thoroughly. I am voting him cause he is fabricating stuff on oats, meta is supportive of my trian of thought not the main argument. So since you just did another terrible forced case, my vote is more than justified. I am striking sloosh of the list for now and adding some others. Ange, DP and OO really should come in and take some stances now Ange has only been asking questions thus far and not been very helpful, DP is playing not as active as I am used to and OO just vanished. None of them strike me as scummy as gk though so my vote stays. I'll be around for a bit, but then off to party so don't even expect me to be around deadline. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10854 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
1) Where did the "GK is my top scumread" fade so easily? 2) You still didn't explain to me why did you buy yamato's explanation for his reads so easily. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
ShiaoPi, Oats and Cora are town, strongly leaning town on marv aswell. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
1) Why Hapa and yamato are scum 2) Why marv is town 3) How i play as scum and how i play as town 4) Why i am town and see point #1 | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
On June 22 2013 19:26 ShiaoPi wrote: wow goodkarma's case one me was just as terrible as the one on oats. Fairly happy with where my vote is right now. Just for the sake of refuting: I am not contradicting myself there, gk just shows lack of reading thoroughly. I am voting him cause he is fabricating stuff on oats, meta is supportive of my trian of thought not the main argument. So since you just did another terrible forced case, my vote is more than justified. I am striking sloosh of the list for now and adding some others. Ange, DP and OO really should come in and take some stances now Ange has only been asking questions thus far and not been very helpful, DP is playing not as active as I am used to and OO just vanished. None of them strike me as scummy as gk though so my vote stays. I'll be around for a bit, but then off to party so don't even expect me to be around deadline. If this is all Shao has to say then I see no reason to unvote him. He's failed to show how what he perceives to be a "bad case" is in fact "fabricated." The more concerning part is his new "list" (Ange/DP/OO), which more or less magically popped up to mirror thread sentiment. | ||
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