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I'm still leaning town on GM. There are far better candidates to shoot tonight.
The "he's emotional as scum" casepoint from BH was super-weak since I suspect he'd behave the same way regardless of alignment. He hasn't had the ironclad certainty I would expect from a scum GM. That being said, he needs to tell us who he'd prefer to have shot and not martyr himself. While in general martyring is a very scummy thing, I see the martyring coming from GM as also being townie. I remember how he played his scumgame, and I very highly doubt he'd make a play like that as scum. It makes him look atrocious, and scum GM would be a little more careful than that.
I'm looking at what happened and it blows my mind how little consolidation there was. I believe scum are among those who failed to consolidate: Syl, Shao, Stutters, and Oats.
Regarding Syl:
Syl has done nothing but sheep all game long. He clearly isn't interested in reading the thread. Somehow he still believes that when I proposed we vigi him it was a "lurker shot," when in fact it's that he has failed to make any real stance of his own all game. The closest he came was with Axle, who after a lack of interest, he opted not to pursue further. He felt strongly enough about it to vote for him, yet couldn't be bothered to push his case when it didn't immediately gain traction... This is a guy that's been skirting by on thread sentiment and shown almost no interest in solving the game. It also stood out to me how he would say he thinks BH is town, yet do nothing to stop him getting lynched. That is clearly scum-motivated behavior. He was in-thread near the deadline, so he could have easily voted GM if he indeed strongly felt that BH was town. He has in the past stated he'd rather have GM than BH lynched, so why wouldn't he try to do anything to stop his townread from dying? BH is known to have the ability to lead as town, which is something we sorely need... There was every reason for scum to want town BH to die over GM.
Regarding Shao:
Shao has shown what I perceived to be an active interest in the game. However, his latest vote makes literally no sense to me from a town perspective. Why on earth would you vote Syl, someone who's clearly not going to get lynched, last minute like that? I don't understand the town motivation for that. We really needed to lynch scum this cycle, and instead of consolidating, Shao votes Syl. It just doesn't make sense to me from a town perspective.
Regarding Stutters:
Stutters did little to take a stance on who he'd vote the entire day cycle. All I can find is he's "waiting for BH to get back" before placing his vote. This is hands-down the safest thing you could do as scum. Sit back and wait to see where thread sentiment goes before jumping on a candidate. That being said, I felt his read on Vayne was reasonable from a town perspective, as was his discussion of why he was so eager to vig me. That he literally didn't do anything at all for many hours and missed the deadline indicates to me he might have been legitimately busy, since town Stutters does shit like this. But he's now on my list of scum candidates, by process of elimination. There is definitely possible scum motive behind his actions.
Regarding Oats:
And then there's Oats. His play has my head spinning. He's non-stop wanted me lynched, defends BH with little justification, and now is asking that we choose between shooting me and GM. His only justification for GM is that he's bad, which hardly shows how he believes he's scum... He's spent half the game now spamming thread to lynch or shoot me while hardly discussing at all any other candidates. I'm having trouble visualizing how even as a world-class bad townie he could be playing like this. I may have WIFOM'ed myself in a corner believing that he's town as he's never been this brazen as scum. But when you fail to try to save the guy who you clearly have this townread on by consolidating, I just can't understand how any kind of townie would do that.
Looking at who was actually on the BH/GM wagons at the end of the day, I find that they all are in my town column. What I'm left with are those who've refused to consolidate. The scumteam is among:
Syl, Shao, Stutters, Oats
With the strength of my scumreads in that order.
We should be vigi'ing Syl today, and not GM.
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On June 14 2013 13:24 Sylencia wrote:
Also, shooting GK is better ^-^
@Syl
I am here, and I am one of your higher scum reads
+ Show Spoiler +On June 14 2013 01:04 Sylencia wrote:
Because it's fairly clear that I'm the only one who had thought of Axle that way pretty quickly. I'm still putting him in the possible scum pile though.
Oatsmaster
Blazinghand
Stutters695
VayneAuthority
GravityMan
ShiaoPi
AxleGreaser
Goodkarma
Town->scum order for me is some sort of rough order like this, a lot of them are close though. The fact Vayne is so damn low for a cop claim is pretty retarded though.
were there any questions you might have for me?
was there anyway you were unsure about why i was doing things?
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On June 14 2013 13:11 Sylencia wrote:
A few days wut - another way to dodge giving any sort of result?
add this to the list of things that makes him scummy GK. I dont necessarily know if I can vig him right now unless there's decent consensus but I wouldn't see him as a terrible shot. Trying to use real life to make some one look guilty is usually scum motivated.
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On June 14 2013 13:41 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 13:11 Sylencia wrote:
A few days wut - another way to dodge giving any sort of result? add this to the list of things that makes him scummy GK. I dont necessarily know if I can vig him right now unless there's decent consensus but I wouldn't see him as a terrible shot. Trying to use real life to make some one look guilty is usually scum motivated.
Whatever you decide for the shot, you should be the one making the call. "Thread consensus" can become skewed by scum, whereas if you're town and follow your own read, you shouldn't have such problems.
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And if you're planning on shooting me, tell me beforehand thx
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On June 14 2013 14:30 Sylencia wrote:
And if you're planning on shooting me, tell me beforehand thx
any reason why
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On June 14 2013 13:23 AxleGreaser wrote:@Gravman Please note I have read all of BHs end of day posts . BH flipped green is good player, so they have weight with me. I am starting my thoughts again as best I can. Earlier you made the post below. What I want you to do is think back and explain why you posted this. What was your purpose and intent. How did it benefit town, who needed at that time to know you thought that? + Show Spoiler [your post] +On June 14 2013 00:38 GravityMan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 20:57 Sylencia wrote:On June 13 2013 09:07 goodkarma wrote:Catching up with the thread now. The first thing I'd like to address is this Syl post: On June 12 2013 22:35 Sylencia wrote:On June 12 2013 16:47 goodkarma wrote:On June 12 2013 16:15 Sylencia wrote:
@GK: Why are you suggesting to waste a dayvig shot on me when the only reason you have is that I've been lurkier than others? You literally say before your 'analysis' on me that you think BH is scum and yet somehow I'm a more decent target for shooting? Ok.. I said you were flying under the radar, and that when you are here you seem to be content to agree with a stance here and there and not really add anything. It's not about your "lurkiness," but what you aren't doing when you are here. I'm assuming from what Vayne has said he plans to use his vig shot today. Therefore, we need to determine two scum candidates for this cycle. None of this really is that difficult to understand. While you're here, would you mind providing an opinion on anything? Or more specifically, perhaps elaborate on your top scumread? If Vayne wants to use it as a shot, why aren't we lynching a top suspect first, and shooting during the night? Unless there's some sort of claim that can only be checked by death, I don't see a reason why it should be rushed so. (I'm not reading the power wrong, right?) My top read at the time you posted was ShiaoPi, as I said I agreed with a lot of the points made by Stutters. I made that clear end of last night. I haven't fully digested ShiaoPi's response yet, but if I'm wrong on that account, my previous statement feels good: On June 12 2013 01:24 Sylencia wrote:
@Oats: If GK doesn't have anything in the next 24 hours, I'd be willing to put money on a lurker scum team - something like him + stutters (maybe +1 if there's a third). The only one that sticks out is Blazinghand for causing chaos for no reason but idk if that's his playstyle - please fill me in there. Reasoning is everything has run too smoothly and there haven't felt like there have been any sort of misdirections so far. We had a blue claim on day 1, so having some sort of mayor takeover would be a pretty good idea in Day 1 for scum to take, as they can reliably target Vayne with no consequence. If he dies, he dies. If he doesn't, everyone just says someone protected him, and no one suspects the mayor. None of this happened, so unless Hapa is scum, everyone active seems town. Any problem with my reasoning? For catching up, only having an analysis of 4 players (2 of which seem like afterthoughts), and a weak scumread based a lot on meta is pretty bad. I've heard from BH enough that you have slow starts, but idk define slow start, how long is it going to take to get the ball rolling, and out of all the players how is it that you've got thoughts on 2 lurky players over someone with a lot more points to consider such as Grav/WoS and Oats? About GravityMan - I am also missing what is obvious about him that makes him scum according to BH, but the only point i"ll take from it is that he is the only one who disrupted Hapa's mayoral campaign with a sort of smear campaign against him. You can make reasons for why he did it if he's scum (potentially take power, and make hapa a suspect), but since that failed, would scum have chosen Hapa as the target of the NK over Vayne to clearly show that? Food for thought, seeing as that was the only real 'major' event that happened regarding mayoral campaigns. First of all, the entire point of mentioning a good vigishot for Vayne is we should be treating this cycle like a doublelynch, as Hapa originally suggested. Even if Vayne opts to wait until the night to shoot, by discussing this now we have that much more information to go on in later cycles. For that reason, everyone should be doing this. So you can't be bothered to review the latest posting of your top scumread, and you fall back on proposing a lurker scumteam if your top read convinces you he's town??? Explain to me how that isn't scum-motivated behavior? Further, I provided a read on Grav in the post you're referencing, so it's clear you aren't reading the thread very closely. This is the kind of disinterest I'd expect from scum. I still believe you'd be a good vigi shot. The fact I can actually rely on something which I believed to have been true from the night before shows the actual lack of contribution that you had brought to the table to this point. If I say you're scummy during N1, and you do nothing to change that view in D2, you're saying it's scum oriented for me to say I still think you're scum? Also yes, turns out I ended up thinking you did an analysis on GK which is yourself (it made perfect sense at the time somehow -_-). In any case: - Axle: How has this guy been able to fly under the radar this entire game? As far as I've read there's been very little suspicious cast on him, he's been questioned about his reads in which he's tip toed around the problem: On June 13 2013 08:23 AxleGreaser wrote:On June 13 2013 07:59 GravityMan wrote:
Axle, who do YOU think is scum?
We haven't had very many reads from you this game at all, just analysis and questions. There is the obvious list, of people who have not contributed much. There is the obvious list of turning Hapas list upside down and saying that. One thing i dont want to do is get all in a low post count townies face, and shut them down. So I wont be doing that. The least clear intention I have is you. I see what "looks" like a tendency to Lynch BH for being BH. I see posts that could well inflame him and make his ego come to the fore as town or scum. This could have been their intention, or not. It alludes to him suspecting GM (pretty much confirmed to be saying he suspects GM next post), but he doesn't push it at all. He said he doesn't want to shut a lurker down, but GM is far from a lurker, so why wouldn't he push a case there? If there's someone in this game who is a prime example of being neutral on pretty much everything, it's Axle. BH has been doing a lot of talking without a lot of pushing, but I'm pretty sure that Axle is a better option over BH. After a slow first half of Day 1, I think if BH was scum he'd easily adapt into a less active role in the game. He brings up points I don't think anyone else would be doing otherwise (possible VA fakeclaim etc.) and just by doing that I feel it's enough to justify keeping him around for longer. Without BH this town will be a dead town, with little to no deviation in thoughts. GK I'm still willing to put my vote on him, idk how slow a start can be, but even his vote on BH didn't have any substance to it. This is terrible honestly. Axle seems like the towniest town that ever towned, and this case misrepresents him entirely. I'm not sure why people are letting this go. He votes him based on the fact that Axle has been flying under the radar, and that he supposedly calls me a lurker? (hint: he's not referring to me) That's his entire reasoning. The whole thing in that one post. Why is Sylencia getting away with that exactly? I mean I'm not a fan of Axle right now because he's tunneled me for about half the game but at least he's doing it in a reasonable way' I don't see scum pushing a read like he has with the analysis that he's done, and I've played with scum Axle before. Now I have to get to Axle's case on me....sigh. Link for Thread Context
I'm sick of writing essays answers to your hundreds of questions only to have you go and ignore what I say and think what you want anyway.
Take what I give you, and actually consider it.
Sylencia looks scummy to be and with that post I tried to make that evident.
The fact that he would point you out like that to me makes him look even scummier because to me it's obvious you're town and he didn't have much of a case to go on.
Like what kind of a question is 'who needed to know?' I was secretly trying to send a code to my scumbuddies. Obviously I'm fucking talking to the rest of town.
Axle I'm not going to go through every single one of my posts in the thread, explain why I posted them, who I was talking to, what my intent was, what I had just eaten 15 minutes ago, what my mother's middle name is, and my bank account number for you.
It's a little ridiculous. Either draw some fucking conclusions already or move on. It's enough.
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VA I'd be fine with you shooting him if the rest of the thread doesn't want me dead immediately.
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I was considering yolo'ing an oats shot, his filter is all kinds of fucked up lol
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Also GK - how does me moving my vote change anything, I highly doubt you were going to move your vote from BH to GK, and Shiao wasn't going to vote with me either so the result doesn't even change. I had higher hopes that people would want to lynch you though, but no one listened to Oats and I
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VayneAuthority called Oatsmaster into his office. Without saying a word, he took out his Colt .45, pointed it between Oatsmaster's eyes, and pulled the trigger.
The violence will never end.
Oatsmaster, as Mexico (VT) has been condemned to death by VayneAuthority!
The pardon/condemn power is now unavailable for use by any future mayor. You have 18 hours and 58 minutes to send a night action and a list of people to replace the mayor.
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Welp, that answers our question as to who to lynch tomorrow.
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Why is everyone killing my top town reads 
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On June 14 2013 15:06 GravityMan wrote:
Welp, that answers our question as to who to lynch tomorrow.
Who?
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On June 14 2013 15:10 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 15:06 GravityMan wrote:
Welp, that answers our question as to who to lynch tomorrow. Who?
and of course why.
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Yo stutters, if you're vig, you should shoot tonight - 7 people left it could be 4-3 at the moment, or 5-2 (or 4-2-1 or 3-3-1). 5-2 is pretty unlikely I think but 4-3 is game over unless scum is shot.
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On June 14 2013 15:12 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 15:10 AxleGreaser wrote:On June 14 2013 15:06 GravityMan wrote:
Welp, that answers our question as to who to lynch tomorrow. Who? and of course why.
Answer it yourself.
I'm sick of your questions.
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what in the actual fuck vayne...
WHAT THE FUCK
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