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Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
June 27 2013 22:55 GMT
#2076
gonzaw, i'm literally going to do whatever you tell me so lol i'm your puppet now
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
June 27 2013 22:59 GMT
#2079
On June 28 2013 07:58 gonzaw wrote:
Damn, I thought you had slipped as scum (you had used the duck to bus-drive townies, and lied, therefore didn't get that option).

Well, I'll have to wait.
There are 3 options:

1)Pardoner
2)1 cycle mason ability
3)Vote thief

Which one are you guys comfortable for Xfire to be in?

If kita+geript is scum, and austin may be 3P, then if Xata is scum Xfire has to be town basically.

Also I'm finally home

+ Show Spoiler +
FUCK YOU SPAIN
GODDAMIT 1 goddamned penalty why are they such lucky fuckers? Shit fuck long-suck-neck-wrecker krakatoa-cunninlinguist goddhammit

no dawg i told you the truth all the way
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
June 27 2013 23:00 GMT
#2080
On June 28 2013 07:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
arg I feel like taking a risk

do it i think we need to play risky to win
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
June 27 2013 23:01 GMT
#2082
On June 28 2013 08:01 Dandel Ion wrote:
I call for Votethief on kita or geript

that's what i'm thinking
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
June 27 2013 23:28 GMT
#2087
don't worry gonzaw i'm asking the hosts. i'll let you know when i get answers though i do have to leave in about 5 minutes. i'll be back later though.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
June 28 2013 03:59 GMT
#2180
so i got some answers gonzaw. The TARDIS activates immediately. The only way a dayvig shot can be bus driven by the TARDIS is if the person getting shot has the TARDIS.

Gonzaw, the only restriction on who can have the TARDIS is that if 2 scum have the TARDIS in a row, they can't choose who to pass it to for the next person, so it is random. Because Kurumi just had it and died, it was randomly distributed and anyone can have it no restrictions.

As for what option to choose. I actually don't know if it is a good choice for me to use the rubber duck now knowing what we know. The only way scum can get dayvigged is if they don't have the TARDIS, but that means they will still have it tonight. Them being able to busdrive will mess us up. Therefore it is probably a good idea for me to have my bus drive ability to use to tonight to give scum something to worry about. I know this is difficult for you to allow because you think I might be scum, but I think we are in such desperate straights that we need to do something to save ourselves. I won't make my choice now, but I'm just throwing this out there.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
June 28 2013 04:04 GMT
#2181
Also, about Austin, I think he is saying his "win condition" about bears is similar to what Vivax's was in Themed Game mafia.

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Welcome to Themed game Mafia! You are the Jean-Luc Picard, Captain of the Federation Starship Enterprise. Your first order of duty is to select a first officer. Your first officer (unless he is mafia) will protect your life with his own, and will jump in front of any phaser fire aimed at you by hostile entities. Once per game, during a day cycle, you will be able to summon your first officer to your ready room. During that day cycle, the two of you will be able to talk in private, away from the ears of the rest of the crew. Should you somehow die before your first officer, he will become Captain of the Enterprise, and will carry out its mission.

Once you have selected your first officer, your mission is to explore new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations. In order to complete your mission, you may select a player to explore each night. The Enterprise will scan that player, allowing you to determine what sort of civilization that player supports, by revealing any night actions taken by that player the night before you scanned them. Be warned though, the universe is full of strange phenomena. There is a 25% chance each night that you encounter a temporal distortion during your scan, causing your scan to reveal the night actions taken by the player two nights prior.

To aid you in your mission, you will sometimes be called upon to explore a planet's surface with an away team. During any phase that requires selecting a party to take a specific action, your vote will be given 3x the weight of a normal vote, due to your expertise in selecting away teams.

BONUS WIN CONDITION: Hairless Victory. When you look around , you cannot help but notice that every member of Enterprise's crew, even the android, has a glorious head of hair...except yourself. THIS CANNOT STAND. Each night, you must remove the hair of one other player in the game. With the daypost, it will be announced that the player IS NOW BALD. If all players alive at the end of the game are bald, you will achieve a Hairless Victory. You may not reveal your bonus win condition."

You win with the Town!
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
June 28 2013 04:23 GMT
#2184
On June 28 2013 13:13 gonzaw wrote:
Wow Xfire, thanks for inventing the role mechanic that will lose us the game -_-

So...hmm.....fuck it I'm going to sleep.


So you mean that, imagine kita has the TARDIS, and hasn't done anything with it.
Now imagine BC day vigs kita.
You say that kita will be protected, or will bus himself with someone else, even when he did NOTHING with the TARDIS yet? Or what?

Can someone pass the TARDIS to someone even if they die that cycle (i.e to lynch)? Can you use the TARDIS even if you have no reason to use it (i.e can you activate the "vet" ability even if nobody shoots you, or activate the bus-drive ability even if it's never executed, etc)?

Hmm, I'll have to think about letting you keep the Rubber Duck. The only other alternative (unless you want shitty Mason Phone I don't even know why I put it there I was in a hurry lol) is you getting pardoner, and that doesn't really help us much (if you NEED to use pardoner so scum doesn't force a lynch on a townie....we already lost).

Don't blame me. I wasn't the one who gave it to kita night 1...

Also, initially, I only intended the TARDIS to be used at night, but I wasn't explicit enough apparently, so the hosts said you can use it during the day. I mean in the example I gave them the person used it at night, but whatever.

Kita will only have the option to bus himself or save himself if targeted by the dayvig. Basically, what it seems to be is that the only way that the TARDIS can affect a dayvig is if the person being shot has the TARDIS. So if BC say shoots geript, but kita has the TARDIS, kita cannot use the TARDIS to save geript because the dayvig is instant.

I imagine whoever has the TARDIS can activate it whenever they want for whatever reason they want, so that probably means scum will still have the TARDIS tonight, though if we do lynch whoever has the TARDIS, scum will not be able to pass it to another scum tonight and it will have to be random.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
June 28 2013 15:00 GMT
#2208
i got a pm too. I'm choosing bc
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
June 28 2013 15:11 GMT
#2209
so kita, if you really are a survivor and want to survive, what did you do to the TARDIS? There's no reason to hide it anymore.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
June 28 2013 15:18 GMT
#2211
On June 29 2013 00:12 kitaman27 wrote:
Passed it to Kurumi, though I mentioned that a while ago.

No, I mean why did kurumi say its energy was drained? What does that mean?
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
June 28 2013 15:21 GMT
#2213
On June 29 2013 00:21 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 00:18 Crossfire99 wrote:
On June 29 2013 00:12 kitaman27 wrote:
Passed it to Kurumi, though I mentioned that a while ago.

No, I mean why did kurumi say its energy was drained? What does that mean?


That I reached the first part of my win condition by using the TARDIS?

Does that mean that it can't be used anymore?
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
June 28 2013 16:17 GMT
#2220
yeah i'm not sure gonzaw. I know i'm not scum so it can't be 2. Also, gonzaw imagine i'm scum and sk8r is town. The only people who know anything at all about the TARDIS are my scumbuddies and sk8r. I know sk8r can pass it. Why don't I at night just tell sk8r to use his role to me and give me a gift or something. The TARDIS stays hidden from town and scum have it without being obvious about it. Actually, think about this.

IF I WAS SCUM AND KITA WAS SCUM, I WOULD HAVE TOLD KITA TO BUS MEAPAK TO SAVE HIM FROM BC'S SHOT. SO KITA AND I CAN'T BOTH BE SCUM. SAY HE'S NOT SCUM. SAY I'M SCUM, I SEE SOMEONE ASKING FOR THE TARDIS SO I TELL SK8R TO GIVE IT TO ME INSTEAD BECAUSE I JUST DEFENDED HIM SO HE TRUSTS ME AND I DON'T WANT TO GIVE IT TO NONSCUM. I'M THEN ABLE TO SAVE MEAPAK. BASICALLY I THINK I JUST PROVED I'M NOT SCUM LOL.

Because of all of this i think kita is actually a survivor now because i don't see scum being told about the TARDIS, which means austin must be scum with geript and xata. Ugh i need to look over austin's filter and think about thsi.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
June 28 2013 16:26 GMT
#2227
On June 29 2013 01:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 01:17 Crossfire99 wrote:
yeah i'm not sure gonzaw. I know i'm not scum so it can't be 2. Also, gonzaw imagine i'm scum and sk8r is town. The only people who know anything at all about the TARDIS are my scumbuddies and sk8r. I know sk8r can pass it. Why don't I at night just tell sk8r to use his role to me and give me a gift or something. The TARDIS stays hidden from town and scum have it without being obvious about it. Actually, think about this.

IF I WAS SCUM AND KITA WAS SCUM, I WOULD HAVE TOLD KITA TO BUS MEAPAK TO SAVE HIM FROM BC'S SHOT. SO KITA AND I CAN'T BOTH BE SCUM. SAY HE'S NOT SCUM. SAY I'M SCUM, I SEE SOMEONE ASKING FOR THE TARDIS SO I TELL SK8R TO GIVE IT TO ME INSTEAD BECAUSE I JUST DEFENDED HIM SO HE TRUSTS ME AND I DON'T WANT TO GIVE IT TO NONSCUM. I'M THEN ABLE TO SAVE MEAPAK. BASICALLY I THINK I JUST PROVED I'M NOT SCUM LOL.

Because of all of this i think kita is actually a survivor now because i don't see scum being told about the TARDIS, which means austin must be scum with geript and xata. Ugh i need to look over austin's filter and think about thsi.

In order to bus MZ wouldnt you have had to know the shot was coming?

On June 25 2013 06:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Meapak is mafia

On June 25 2013 06:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Jack the ripper has claimed another victim

BC posted that same line when he shot sk8r so we know it's a real dayvig type because i knew sk8r used the TARDIS to save himself from it
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
June 28 2013 16:29 GMT
#2229
On June 29 2013 01:19 gonzaw wrote:
Also remember this:

Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 12:59 Crossfire99 wrote:
As for what option to choose. I actually don't know if it is a good choice for me to use the rubber duck now knowing what we know. The only way scum can get dayvigged is if they don't have the TARDIS, but that means they will still have it tonight. Them being able to busdrive will mess us up. Therefore it is probably a good idea for me to have my bus drive ability to use to tonight to give scum something to worry about. I know this is difficult for you to allow because you think I might be scum, but I think we are in such desperate straights that we need to do something to save ourselves. I won't make my choice now, but I'm just throwing this out there.


Xfire right now wanted me to let him have the Busdriver ability for tonight...
......that's really sketchy considering the above (if he's scum he wants to be able to bus drive so kita isn't vigged and I or BC die instead for instance)

His reasoning is that we are "in such a desperate straights" that we may need Xfire's bus ability. His reasoning is that it will give scum "something to worry about".
But HOW would we need it? How on earth would Xfire use the bus drive ability tonight to help town? How would he "give scum something to worry about"?

The ONLY problem comes if scum have the TARDIS, therefore scum have the busdriver ability. How would Xfire's bus driver ability be of any help there? From what I know if a busdriver busses X and Y, and another busdriver busses X and Y as well, the bus isn't "canceled", so if scum want to bus kita with a townie then how on earth could Xfire prevent that?


...damn, I can't help but feel I'm jumping to conclusions here....but really I don't know what to think

Xfire, do you have anything to say?

gonzaw i wanted the busdrive because if scum bus A and B and I bus C and B, then B is immune to actions. Understand? The same thing happened in aperture 2. Basically, it will give scum something to worry about so they maybe can't just bus the obvious shot with obvious mafia or something like that
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
June 28 2013 16:41 GMT
#2232
well gonzaw, i'm not lying. the hosts condradicted themselves.

On June 28 2013 12:59 Crossfire99 wrote:
so i got some answers gonzaw. The TARDIS activates immediately. The only way a dayvig shot can be bus driven by the TARDIS is if the person getting shot has the TARDIS.

Gonzaw, the only restriction on who can have the TARDIS is that if 2 scum have the TARDIS in a row, they can't choose who to pass it to for the next person, so it is random. Because Kurumi just had it and died, it was randomly distributed and anyone can have it no restrictions.

As for what option to choose. I actually don't know if it is a good choice for me to use the rubber duck now knowing what we know. The only way scum can get dayvigged is if they don't have the TARDIS, but that means they will still have it tonight. Them being able to busdrive will mess us up. Therefore it is probably a good idea for me to have my bus drive ability to use to tonight to give scum something to worry about. I know this is difficult for you to allow because you think I might be scum, but I think we are in such desperate straights that we need to do something to save ourselves. I won't make my choice now, but I'm just throwing this out there.


I got those answers from sent. Today i got answers from dec. and they're different. He told me that i don't know when teh tardis activates. He told me the TARDIS supersedes all day actions which means to mean that whoever has the TARDIS can do whatever they want. I specifically asked about silent dayvigs and what not.

and to further muddle the waters, sent told me i get my day ability now and dec told me i get it tonight.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
June 28 2013 16:55 GMT
#2239
On June 29 2013 01:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 01:41 Crossfire99 wrote:
well gonzaw, i'm not lying. the hosts condradicted themselves.

On June 28 2013 12:59 Crossfire99 wrote:
so i got some answers gonzaw. The TARDIS activates immediately. The only way a dayvig shot can be bus driven by the TARDIS is if the person getting shot has the TARDIS.

Gonzaw, the only restriction on who can have the TARDIS is that if 2 scum have the TARDIS in a row, they can't choose who to pass it to for the next person, so it is random. Because Kurumi just had it and died, it was randomly distributed and anyone can have it no restrictions.

As for what option to choose. I actually don't know if it is a good choice for me to use the rubber duck now knowing what we know. The only way scum can get dayvigged is if they don't have the TARDIS, but that means they will still have it tonight. Them being able to busdrive will mess us up. Therefore it is probably a good idea for me to have my bus drive ability to use to tonight to give scum something to worry about. I know this is difficult for you to allow because you think I might be scum, but I think we are in such desperate straights that we need to do something to save ourselves. I won't make my choice now, but I'm just throwing this out there.


I got those answers from sent. Today i got answers from dec. and they're different. He told me that i don't know when teh tardis activates. He told me the TARDIS supersedes all day actions which means to mean that whoever has the TARDIS can do whatever they want. I specifically asked about silent dayvigs and what not.

and to further muddle the waters, sent told me i get my day ability now and dec told me i get it tonight.

How does this change the fact that someone would have had to protect OR bus MZ in 9 minutes, unless the TARDIS can undo the fucking shot after MZ flipped.


On June 24 2013 06:23 Crossfire99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 06:18 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
There is no way he picked up a mason, or the Mason would have been shot as well. The role clearly says
Pick up companion - you pick up a companion. Your companion travels with you in your TARDIS and anything that happens to you also happens to him. You may only have one companion at once. You share a mason chat with your companion.

Yeah you're right. I didn't think through that completely, I just saw him post asking about masons immediately after solstice got shot, but before his role was revealed and then the Doctor was revealed to be able to mason people, so I got suspicious. I jumped the gun a little.


On June 25 2013 06:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Meapak is mafia


On June 25 2013 06:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

Jack the ripper has claimed another victim


On June 25 2013 07:00 deconduo wrote:
Rose Tyler had been acting increasingly suspicious, and eventually someone acted on it. A sword ripped through her stomach and she dissolved into a heap of fleshy goo. Colonel Manton laughed far away in his control room, "Looks like they figured out about our Doppelgängers." A voice responded from the shadows, "Looks like you forgot to watch your back"

Meapak_Ziphh as Rose Tyler as Colonel Manton has been eviscerated.

+ Show Spoiler +
You are Colonel Manton

In order to trick the doctor you and your allies have kidnapped and disguised as some of his allies. In addition you have taken their powers. [Redacted]


Your allies are:
[Redacted]

You have a [Redacted]

You win with The Church


Your disguise is as follows:

---------

You are Rose Tyler!

You are a capable and resourceful companion to the Doctor. Throughout your journeys together, you have proven capable of taking the initiative and defusing difficult situations on your own. As such, your own influence is considerable, and you are bound and determined to get people talking.

During the day phase, you may PM the host with the names of two players. These two players will then be masoned for the following night phase. Rose Tyler will have read only access to the mason QT, and the masoned players will not be directly told that there is someone observing.

At any point in the game, you may permanently give up this power and assume the form of 'the Bad Wolf' by typing ##gaze into the Heart of the TARDIS in thread. The Bad Wolf means business.

In the form of 'the Bad Wolf,' you become a dealer of death, and gain one vigilante bullet. This bullet can be used at any time. If used during the day, the Bad Wolf must type ##divide atoms (target) in thread to perform the shot. If used at night, the shot functions as a typical vigilante shot. If the shot is targeted at the Doctor, 'the Bad Wolf' instead deals 1KP to herself.

Note to hosts: This is my first PTP so I'm not sure if this is broken as hell. I wanted to include the Bad Wolf storyline for Rose, but it's hard to make this anything other than a KP dealing role. So I ended up with what is essentially a vigilante with flair...a gun with a little bit of extra investigative/manipulative power.

You win with The Alliance


I posted 2 minutes before bc said that meapak was mafia. I can also tell you that there were 30 minutes to the flip. There is more then enough time for something to be done if i had the tardis. But you're right kita had it. There is no reason for kita to draw attention to the tardis if we were scum together because i could have gotten sk8r to give it to me quietly. Then meapak doesn't die to bc. Therefore kita and i aren't the same alignment. If i was scum, why would i let a non scum player ask for the tardis when I could have gotten it myself.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
June 28 2013 17:15 GMT
#2247
On June 29 2013 02:07 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 01:55 Crossfire99 wrote:
I posted 2 minutes before bc said that meapak was mafia. I can also tell you that there were 30 minutes to the flip. There is more then enough time for something to be done if i had the tardis. But you're right kita had it. There is no reason for kita to draw attention to the tardis if we were scum together because i could have gotten sk8r to give it to me quietly. Then meapak doesn't die to bc. Therefore kita and i aren't the same alignment. If i was scum, why would i let a non scum player ask for the tardis when I could have gotten it myself.


Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 01:17 Crossfire99 wrote:
Because of all of this i think kita is actually a survivor now because i don't see scum being told about the TARDIS, which means austin must be scum with geript and xata. Ugh i need to look over austin's filter and think about thsi.


So kita is 3P, and you are not the same alignment as kita?

Thank god! This means we don't have 2 survivors!

Unfortunately, it still means you can be scum (hint: scum have different alignment than 3P)

Also maybe you have slipped there that you are treating kita as scum (with the "I'm not the same alignment as him" comment and the next one), when you specifically said you think he's 3P now

Ugh. I don't know what i can do to convince you guys i'm not scum. How about this? Whatever happened to the role Zeph created, the mason dayvig role that has to have been used day 1 to kill solstice. We have all our dayvigs accounted for day 2. We know that I and austin can't be the mason dayvig role, so who has it? xata or kita? One of them is going to kill us again today, because they will have been recharged. P.S austin either lied or mistakenly said that zeph created meapak's role. I'm thinking lied because i believe kita's third party claim because i don't see him knowing about the TARDIS unless he's third party because I know I'm town.

Also, just got word that roleblocks give notifications and the hosts got my action last night, so that means xata is lying which means he's scum trying to frame me.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
June 28 2013 17:34 GMT
#2257
On June 29 2013 02:15 gonzaw wrote:
Hey Xfire:

Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 01:48 gonzaw wrote:
Speaking of which, would you mind explaining that "Xata claimed he wasn't RBed" thing?


Please explain

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On June 29 2013 01:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
It might be the confidence is a massive bluff and the TARDIS can't be used anymore...? I don't know if that's a risk we can take.

Sk8 and SnB fucked us over so hard.

If it was just 'used twice--->gets drained' then why wouldn't it have been in Sk8's role PM? I can't see hosts nerfing something and not telling the guy who HAS the fucking role.


Why isn't it possible? IF Xfire told them not to tell him that it's possible.
If the hosts wanted to nerf the role without altering the role PM it's possible.

From what I gather, it's not that sk8 is the "master of the tardis", he's just a guy that has the TARDIS at the beginning of the game, thus he would get the same info as any other player that gets the TARDIS.
If Xfire/hosts don't want those players to know that info about the TARDIS, then they wouldn't want sk8 to know either.



I can't explain about the tardis being drained. Everything I wrote is in sk8r's role pm. He just started with the TARDIS. The hosts must have done something with it because I didn't have any restrictions on the TARDIS. The thing is that sk8r used the tardis both day and night 1 because you have to use it in order to pass it.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
June 28 2013 17:35 GMT
#2259
On June 29 2013 02:34 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2013 02:26 gonzaw wrote:
This is important, because if we figure out Option 1 is real, then BC shouldn't shoot kita tonight, but rather Austin/Xata

No, the shot needs to be on kita either way.

Why?
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