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On June 23 2013 05:25 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:21 s0Lstice wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 s0Lstice wrote:
WoS,
you are suggesting that BC, aware of his meta, is impersonating his town meta (losing temper) for the purposes of manipulation?
If so, how is this more likely than the simple explanation that 'BC is playing to his meta.' Remember Les Mafia? That's how. The reason meta works at all is because people play to it without realizing it. If meta was manipulable i.e. I know my meta and can therefore use it to confuse people...then meta would break down entirely. I think you believe what you are saying though, so I don't care so much about how correct I think your view on it is. You really think something this obvious that people recognize BC for is something he'd do without realizing it? This isn't a subtle tell we're talking about here like misspelling words or using certain phrases. Meta is completely manipulable on a grand scale; it's the subtle things that actually make meta reads useful. I found it particularly easy to play to my town meta on all the obvious points that people recognized me for, but I can think of a couple things I definitely did completely differently that game that nobody picked up on that would have gotten me nailed.
The issue is that if you can convincingly do something as either alignment, then that particular thing is not part of your town or scum meta. You saying you were aware of what people attributed to town you, and thus could include them in your scum play, makes those elements not part of your meta at all, despite people thinking they did. This is why meta arguments fail so often...because elements of peoples play that should go in to a meta case are things that are not reliably controllable/stem from the subconscious.
Also, being aware of ones meta as scum (or more specifically, things that other people typically assign to scum or town you, whether correct or not) follows the same rules as all other scum play. You are putting on a show by falsely playing to your town 'meta,' and can fall in to the same traps that scum fall into when they are making fake cases/fake contributions etc.
To be clear, I really don't care how this discussion you and I are having applies to BC. I asked to get a clearer view of your alignment WoS.
Stepping out for a bit now.
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sk8r: assuming you're about to die and you flip green, your opinion might be taken seriously. What do you think of BC? Is he scum? Or do you think he's angry and impatient town?
Please give your reasons.
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On June 23 2013 05:41 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:23 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:13 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:08 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:02 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
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Hey Dandel.
Why would BC troll now when he's essentially basing everything he's done on the fact that Skater is trolling? Well, because he's scum and not good enough as scum to fake contributions properly. Basically. Then does his recent explanation of 'when it doesn't explicitly say' occur to you as being likely? Also fuck all these role teases and shit I wish it didn't help scum to know what these roles actually did so I could ask IM SO CURIOUSSSS So the fact that apparently Skater TRIED to get shot at night means there's some sort of reflect/protection/immunity involved? And the fact that Geript knows about it means he is the guy who wrote it. Given he was included in the lovetapping this probably makes sense. No not at all. He's crying that if there's an SK it's not EXACTLY 75%, so even if it's still 70%, clearly it's still totally bad for town amirite? It's stupid and irrelevant sematics and a terrible excuse to cling to his "opinion" Semantics? You used clear math as an absolute. Go fuck yourself. If the hosts haven't revealed a number you can easily say "it is likely 75% / 25%" Or some nonsense but using an absolute with hidden information implies knowledge town don't have. "hurr durr it's hidden information so I have to be town and you have to be scum because I'm acting clueless as if i never played mafia before" Actually no you don't even have the balls to call anybody scum, you just attack "anti-town" things. Whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiich is what scum do. Attacking anti-town instead of scum. huhuhuhuhuhuhuh Also you lied, I never said it was EXACTLY 75/25 you quoted the numbers and said it was simple math. You then called me a troll for asking how you got said numbers as if I must be crazy to not have them. Given how sure of yourself you were its an absolute. If you didn't phrase it the way you did or respond to my question the way you did then I would say you are right it wasn't an absolute. However your behaviour indicates otherwise. If it was absolute I would have said it was absolute. You're the one blatantly putting words I never said in my mouth. (which is called lying btw.) On June 23 2013 05:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:13 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:10 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:07 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 05:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
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What? I said dont post without reasonings. If you think x is town or x is mafia, why?
The reasons you have for why someone is or isn't something is how other players can better base their own read on you -_-
If i just generically post a list of who I think is town or mafia. What fucking information does that give you with no reasoning behind it? Dick fucking all. I don't think you understand how day 1's work I don't think you understand how this game works. clearly the game works like this: do nothing tunnel a townie for no reason shoot a townie with the same reasoning you tunneled the townie for genius. For no reason? So you view someone posting shit with 0 reasoning behind it then making up bullshit reasons for said previous shit, then saying "luls jk guys none of it was legit" is no reason? Jesus christ. I don't see how it makes him scum. How does it make him scum BC? How does it make him town? Why do you want someone who is town playing like this? Please, enlighten me as to how what he did should be acceptable town play. See that's what I'm saying. You can't even explain why he would be scum. You're shooting him for being "anti-town" which like THE most easy and convenient excuse for scum because you don't need to explain a false scumread, which also means you won't be wrong, so you can pretend to be smart while blatantly shooting townies. as much as I hate using it as an example go look at LXI. I as town, actively pushed people who were actively anti town. Why? Because I thought they were scum for it. I recognize day 1 skater could easily be a douchebag trolly town. However I am sick of dealing with players like that in games and finally have a gun to at least remove one cancer from the game. why are you trying to play like in LXI? (need i remind you of the outcome?) You could be trying to improve instead of repeating the same old mistakes, and you not doing so has a clear motivation as mafia since it's ez town meta to mold yourself into As town, the explanation is basically that you are unwilling to learn from your mistakes. Do you want me to think that of you? Cuz it seems like you do.
unwilling to learn? I am actively fixing the solution before it can cause serious problems for the town. That shows learning to me. I am not saying LXI is my best game ever as its obviously not. I fucked up there. However I have currently done something I view will stop that potential situation from happening again. It was also a rash decision out of insane annoyance but one I would do with a clear head as well.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Right now I think it's more likely that BC is a trigger happy town that shot judge for policy, than a mafia scum who is trying to get away with an easy shot. Like I mentioned before, a scum day vig that doesn't have to post in the thread to pull off the shot can just shoot a high priority target anonymously and get away with it at no cost. If what BC says is true, he wouldn't even have to worry about another townie knowing his role was responsible for the shot because he created it himself. I'm not sure what he would have to gain claiming responsibility for the shot in the thread as mafia, other than having the opportunity to yell at a bunch of people and shift focus to himself, but that's not really worth it this early in the game.
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On June 23 2013 05:43 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:21 s0Lstice wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 s0Lstice wrote:
WoS,
you are suggesting that BC, aware of his meta, is impersonating his town meta (losing temper) for the purposes of manipulation?
If so, how is this more likely than the simple explanation that 'BC is playing to his meta.' Remember Les Mafia? That's how. The reason meta works at all is because people play to it without realizing it. If meta was manipulable i.e. I know my meta and can therefore use it to confuse people...then meta would break down entirely. I think you believe what you are saying though, so I don't care so much about how correct I think your view on it is. You really think something this obvious that people recognize BC for is something he'd do without realizing it? This isn't a subtle tell we're talking about here like misspelling words or using certain phrases. Meta is completely manipulable on a grand scale; it's the subtle things that actually make meta reads useful. I found it particularly easy to play to my town meta on all the obvious points that people recognized me for, but I can think of a couple things I definitely did completely differently that game that nobody picked up on that would have gotten me nailed. The issue is that if you can convincingly do something as either alignment, then that particular thing is not part of your town or scum meta. You saying you were aware of what people attributed to town you, and thus could include them in your scum play, makes those elements not part of your meta at all, despite people thinking they did. This is why meta arguments fail so often...because elements of peoples play that should go in to a meta case are things that are not reliably controllable/stem from the subconscious. Also, being aware of ones meta as scum (or more specifically, things that other people typically assign to scum or town you, whether correct or not) follows the same rules as all other scum play. You are putting on a show by falsely playing to your town 'meta,' and can fall in to the same traps that scum fall into when they are making fake cases/fake contributions etc. To be clear, I really don't care how this discussion you and I are having applies to BC. I asked to get a clearer view of your alignment WoS. Stepping out for a bit now.
I disagree with this somewhat but I'll accept it.
What interests me is this being solely an effort to divine my alignment. Did you come to any conclusions?
I also don't recall you asking these sorts of things in Les Mafia.
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On June 23 2013 05:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:41 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:23 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:13 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:08 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:02 Dandel Ion wrote:
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Well, because he's scum and not good enough as scum to fake contributions properly.
Basically. Then does his recent explanation of 'when it doesn't explicitly say' occur to you as being likely? Also fuck all these role teases and shit I wish it didn't help scum to know what these roles actually did so I could ask IM SO CURIOUSSSS So the fact that apparently Skater TRIED to get shot at night means there's some sort of reflect/protection/immunity involved? And the fact that Geript knows about it means he is the guy who wrote it. Given he was included in the lovetapping this probably makes sense. No not at all. He's crying that if there's an SK it's not EXACTLY 75%, so even if it's still 70%, clearly it's still totally bad for town amirite? It's stupid and irrelevant sematics and a terrible excuse to cling to his "opinion" Semantics? You used clear math as an absolute. Go fuck yourself. If the hosts haven't revealed a number you can easily say "it is likely 75% / 25%" Or some nonsense but using an absolute with hidden information implies knowledge town don't have. "hurr durr it's hidden information so I have to be town and you have to be scum because I'm acting clueless as if i never played mafia before" Actually no you don't even have the balls to call anybody scum, you just attack "anti-town" things. Whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiich is what scum do. Attacking anti-town instead of scum. huhuhuhuhuhuhuh Also you lied, I never said it was EXACTLY 75/25 you quoted the numbers and said it was simple math. You then called me a troll for asking how you got said numbers as if I must be crazy to not have them. Given how sure of yourself you were its an absolute. If you didn't phrase it the way you did or respond to my question the way you did then I would say you are right it wasn't an absolute. However your behaviour indicates otherwise. If it was absolute I would have said it was absolute. You're the one blatantly putting words I never said in my mouth. (which is called lying btw.) On June 23 2013 05:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:13 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:10 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:07 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
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I don't think you understand how day 1's work I don't think you understand how this game works. clearly the game works like this: do nothing tunnel a townie for no reason shoot a townie with the same reasoning you tunneled the townie for genius. For no reason? So you view someone posting shit with 0 reasoning behind it then making up bullshit reasons for said previous shit, then saying "luls jk guys none of it was legit" is no reason? Jesus christ. I don't see how it makes him scum. How does it make him scum BC? How does it make him town? Why do you want someone who is town playing like this? Please, enlighten me as to how what he did should be acceptable town play. See that's what I'm saying. You can't even explain why he would be scum. You're shooting him for being "anti-town" which like THE most easy and convenient excuse for scum because you don't need to explain a false scumread, which also means you won't be wrong, so you can pretend to be smart while blatantly shooting townies. as much as I hate using it as an example go look at LXI. I as town, actively pushed people who were actively anti town. Why? Because I thought they were scum for it. I recognize day 1 skater could easily be a douchebag trolly town. However I am sick of dealing with players like that in games and finally have a gun to at least remove one cancer from the game. why are you trying to play like in LXI? (need i remind you of the outcome?) You could be trying to improve instead of repeating the same old mistakes, and you not doing so has a clear motivation as mafia since it's ez town meta to mold yourself into As town, the explanation is basically that you are unwilling to learn from your mistakes. Do you want me to think that of you? Cuz it seems like you do. unwilling to learn? I am actively fixing the solution before it can cause serious problems for the town. That shows learning to me. I am not saying LXI is my best game ever as its obviously not. I fucked up there. However I have currently done something I view will stop that potential situation from happening again. It was also a rash decision out of insane annoyance but one I would do with a clear head as well.
Yes, you are still trying to kill town over mafia.
To win as town, you should kill mafia. not town. Y'know.
Cuz, cuz, if you kill all mafia right away, you never get anywhere near lylo. y'know.
So that's actually how you would win games.
Instead you're getting us closer to lylo.
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On June 23 2013 05:39 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
BC prove how LXI is an example?
I don't remember you pushing Kush until he was one of the very few in the game left.
I am well aware you rail against shitposting but as I've already said I don't personally take your meta as good evidence here because you are obviously aware of it. Maybe you will be able to convince me if there's something I'm missing.
Yamato, Palmar, Kush. Yamato shitposting I can see someone making an argument for, but Palmar? Yeah he played like ass that game and we lost 'cause we got fucked at LYLO but is he KNOWN for that kind of play? Isn't Palmar widely regarded as a good player? You're right in that we should have offed Palmar way earlier in the game just to remove all reasonable doubt, and if this is your thought process rather than the fact that he was shitposting I might be able to see your POV, but this doesn't seem to be your train of thought towards Skater. Like...it's so fucking EARLY in the game.
I have killed palmar for that behaviour before and pushed for his death for that behaviour before. Palmar and I butt heads often based on our respective play styles. Also people can widely regard many people as good players. I know I am regarded as one to some and not as one to others. When analyzing a player don't take reputation into the equation, just how they are performing that game.
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On June 23 2013 05:45 kitaman27 wrote:
Right now I think it's more likely that BC is a trigger happy town that shot judge for policy, than a mafia scum who is trying to get away with an easy shot. Like I mentioned before, a scum day vig that doesn't have to post in the thread to pull off the shot can just shoot a high priority target anonymously and get away with it at no cost. If what BC says is true, he wouldn't even have to worry about another townie knowing his role was responsible for the shot because he created it himself. I'm not sure what he would have to gain claiming responsibility for the shot in the thread as mafia, other than having the opportunity to yell at a bunch of people and shift focus to himself, but that's not really worth it this early in the game.
how do you know he doesn't have to post in the thread?
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votecount
Votes:
BC (2) - Sk8rguy, Dandel Ion
WoS (1) - geript, Xatalos
Dandel Ion (1) - Kurumi
Kurumi (1) - geript
SnB (1) - Acrofales
Acrofales (0) - WoS
BloodyCobbler is the leading bubba with 2 votes. 9 votes are needed to lynch a bubba.
Tell me if I missed anyone. Only votes in the voting thread count!
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On June 23 2013 05:47 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:41 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:23 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:13 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:08 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
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Then does his recent explanation of 'when it doesn't explicitly say' occur to you as being likely?
Also fuck all these role teases and shit I wish it didn't help scum to know what these roles actually did so I could ask IM SO CURIOUSSSS
So the fact that apparently Skater TRIED to get shot at night means there's some sort of reflect/protection/immunity involved? And the fact that Geript knows about it means he is the guy who wrote it. Given he was included in the lovetapping this probably makes sense. No not at all. He's crying that if there's an SK it's not EXACTLY 75%, so even if it's still 70%, clearly it's still totally bad for town amirite? It's stupid and irrelevant sematics and a terrible excuse to cling to his "opinion" Semantics? You used clear math as an absolute. Go fuck yourself. If the hosts haven't revealed a number you can easily say "it is likely 75% / 25%" Or some nonsense but using an absolute with hidden information implies knowledge town don't have. "hurr durr it's hidden information so I have to be town and you have to be scum because I'm acting clueless as if i never played mafia before" Actually no you don't even have the balls to call anybody scum, you just attack "anti-town" things. Whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiich is what scum do. Attacking anti-town instead of scum. huhuhuhuhuhuhuh Also you lied, I never said it was EXACTLY 75/25 you quoted the numbers and said it was simple math. You then called me a troll for asking how you got said numbers as if I must be crazy to not have them. Given how sure of yourself you were its an absolute. If you didn't phrase it the way you did or respond to my question the way you did then I would say you are right it wasn't an absolute. However your behaviour indicates otherwise. If it was absolute I would have said it was absolute. You're the one blatantly putting words I never said in my mouth. (which is called lying btw.) On June 23 2013 05:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:13 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:10 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
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I don't think you understand how this game works.
clearly the game works like this: do nothing tunnel a townie for no reason shoot a townie with the same reasoning you tunneled the townie for genius. For no reason? So you view someone posting shit with 0 reasoning behind it then making up bullshit reasons for said previous shit, then saying "luls jk guys none of it was legit" is no reason? Jesus christ. I don't see how it makes him scum. How does it make him scum BC? How does it make him town? Why do you want someone who is town playing like this? Please, enlighten me as to how what he did should be acceptable town play. See that's what I'm saying. You can't even explain why he would be scum. You're shooting him for being "anti-town" which like THE most easy and convenient excuse for scum because you don't need to explain a false scumread, which also means you won't be wrong, so you can pretend to be smart while blatantly shooting townies. as much as I hate using it as an example go look at LXI. I as town, actively pushed people who were actively anti town. Why? Because I thought they were scum for it. I recognize day 1 skater could easily be a douchebag trolly town. However I am sick of dealing with players like that in games and finally have a gun to at least remove one cancer from the game. why are you trying to play like in LXI? (need i remind you of the outcome?) You could be trying to improve instead of repeating the same old mistakes, and you not doing so has a clear motivation as mafia since it's ez town meta to mold yourself into As town, the explanation is basically that you are unwilling to learn from your mistakes. Do you want me to think that of you? Cuz it seems like you do. unwilling to learn? I am actively fixing the solution before it can cause serious problems for the town. That shows learning to me. I am not saying LXI is my best game ever as its obviously not. I fucked up there. However I have currently done something I view will stop that potential situation from happening again. It was also a rash decision out of insane annoyance but one I would do with a clear head as well. Yes, you are still trying to kill town over mafia. To win as town, you should kill mafia. not town. Y'know. Cuz, cuz, if you kill all mafia right away, you never get anywhere near lylo. y'know. So that's actually how you would win games. Instead you're getting us closer to lylo.
To win as town you Should kill mafia you are right. However if a town member is playing so atrociously they appear mafia or are actively pushing mafia goals you off them too. Otherwise you know, Mafia could just troll every game and because they might be town and would be virtually impossible to determine they were scum you would leave them alive.
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hosts totally afk the shot is real guys
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On June 23 2013 05:48 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:45 kitaman27 wrote:
Right now I think it's more likely that BC is a trigger happy town that shot judge for policy, than a mafia scum who is trying to get away with an easy shot. Like I mentioned before, a scum day vig that doesn't have to post in the thread to pull off the shot can just shoot a high priority target anonymously and get away with it at no cost. If what BC says is true, he wouldn't even have to worry about another townie knowing his role was responsible for the shot because he created it himself. I'm not sure what he would have to gain claiming responsibility for the shot in the thread as mafia, other than having the opportunity to yell at a bunch of people and shift focus to himself, but that's not really worth it this early in the game. how do you know he doesn't have to post in the thread?
Because he didn't?
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On June 23 2013 05:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
hosts totally afk the shot is real guys
I'm not questioning the shot, I'm also thinking that the shot is a waste. @Skater have you lost your head?
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On June 23 2013 05:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
hosts totally afk the shot is real guys
Posted 1 minute after the vote count. GG.
Shot probably fake, or failed for some other reason. Which is weird, because both BC and sk8r seem convinced it had no reason to fail.
Sk8r! Are you bulletproof?
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On June 23 2013 05:50 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:48 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:45 kitaman27 wrote:
Right now I think it's more likely that BC is a trigger happy town that shot judge for policy, than a mafia scum who is trying to get away with an easy shot. Like I mentioned before, a scum day vig that doesn't have to post in the thread to pull off the shot can just shoot a high priority target anonymously and get away with it at no cost. If what BC says is true, he wouldn't even have to worry about another townie knowing his role was responsible for the shot because he created it himself. I'm not sure what he would have to gain claiming responsibility for the shot in the thread as mafia, other than having the opportunity to yell at a bunch of people and shift focus to himself, but that's not really worth it this early in the game. how do you know he doesn't have to post in the thread? Because he didn't?
you must have missed where he claimed the fake shot which may as well have been a requirement for the fake shot
too bad it was fake
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On June 23 2013 05:50 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:48 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:45 kitaman27 wrote:
Right now I think it's more likely that BC is a trigger happy town that shot judge for policy, than a mafia scum who is trying to get away with an easy shot. Like I mentioned before, a scum day vig that doesn't have to post in the thread to pull off the shot can just shoot a high priority target anonymously and get away with it at no cost. If what BC says is true, he wouldn't even have to worry about another townie knowing his role was responsible for the shot because he created it himself. I'm not sure what he would have to gain claiming responsibility for the shot in the thread as mafia, other than having the opportunity to yell at a bunch of people and shift focus to himself, but that's not really worth it this early in the game. how do you know he doesn't have to post in the thread? Because he didn't?
He posted that thing in bold about Jack the Ripper.
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On June 23 2013 05:52 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
hosts totally afk the shot is real guys Posted 1 minute after the vote count. GG. Shot probably fake, or failed for some other reason. Which is weird, because both BC and sk8r seem convinced it had no reason to fail. Sk8r! Are you bulletproof?
I was being sarcastic because there was a votecount and a distinct lack of dead people......
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On June 23 2013 05:45 kitaman27 wrote:
Right now I think it's more likely that BC is a trigger happy town that shot judge for policy, than a mafia scum who is trying to get away with an easy shot. Like I mentioned before, a scum day vig that doesn't have to post in the thread to pull off the shot can just shoot a high priority target anonymously and get away with it at no cost. If what BC says is true, he wouldn't even have to worry about another townie knowing his role was responsible for the shot because he created it himself. I'm not sure what he would have to gain claiming responsibility for the shot in the thread as mafia, other than having the opportunity to yell at a bunch of people and shift focus to himself, but that's not really worth it this early in the game.
I don't like this post, kita. You worry me.
You don't consider the fact at all that he did this knowing that one of his scumteam created the role or something? The real reasoning behind what BC did with the little information we got is very easy to obfuscate and you only consider the towny implications. And as someone just mentioned, how do you know he didn't have to post what he did about jack the ripper in the thread?
BC's most recent post regarding Palmar has placated me somewhat because if anyone is capable of this kind of play I'd believe it to be BC; it's the timing of the shot that just really bothers me. The 'shoot first, ask questions later' is not in anyway indicative of a towny mindset no matter how angry you are. There are many things BC could have done that I've argued would have been more effective, especially if it means wasting a vig shot on a towny that could have been effective later on.
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On June 23 2013 05:54 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:45 kitaman27 wrote:
Right now I think it's more likely that BC is a trigger happy town that shot judge for policy, than a mafia scum who is trying to get away with an easy shot. Like I mentioned before, a scum day vig that doesn't have to post in the thread to pull off the shot can just shoot a high priority target anonymously and get away with it at no cost. If what BC says is true, he wouldn't even have to worry about another townie knowing his role was responsible for the shot because he created it himself. I'm not sure what he would have to gain claiming responsibility for the shot in the thread as mafia, other than having the opportunity to yell at a bunch of people and shift focus to himself, but that's not really worth it this early in the game. I don't like this post, kita. You worry me. You don't consider the fact at all that he did this knowing that one of his scumteam created the role or something? The real reasoning behind what BC did with the little information we got is very easy to obfuscate and you only consider the towny implications. And as someone just mentioned, how do you know he didn't have to post what he did about jack the ripper in the thread? BC's most recent post regarding Palmar has placated me somewhat because if anyone is capable of this kind of play I'd believe it to be BC; it's the timing of the shot that just really bothers me. The 'shoot first, ask questions later' is not in anyway indicative of a towny mindset no matter how angry you are. There are many things BC could have done that I've argued would have been more effective, especially if it means wasting a vig shot on a towny that could have been effective later on.
Except that BC is exactly the kind of person who would shoot first and ask questions later. I was all up in Adam's face in Duel mafia and even accused him of being 3P for most of the game because I thought he wasn't the shoot first, ask questions later kinda guy. Turned out he was. As town.
As for him not being afraid of the role creator: well duh. He claims he created the role himself. And that part I absolutely believe.
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On June 23 2013 05:57 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:54 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:45 kitaman27 wrote:
Right now I think it's more likely that BC is a trigger happy town that shot judge for policy, than a mafia scum who is trying to get away with an easy shot. Like I mentioned before, a scum day vig that doesn't have to post in the thread to pull off the shot can just shoot a high priority target anonymously and get away with it at no cost. If what BC says is true, he wouldn't even have to worry about another townie knowing his role was responsible for the shot because he created it himself. I'm not sure what he would have to gain claiming responsibility for the shot in the thread as mafia, other than having the opportunity to yell at a bunch of people and shift focus to himself, but that's not really worth it this early in the game. I don't like this post, kita. You worry me. You don't consider the fact at all that he did this knowing that one of his scumteam created the role or something? The real reasoning behind what BC did with the little information we got is very easy to obfuscate and you only consider the towny implications. And as someone just mentioned, how do you know he didn't have to post what he did about jack the ripper in the thread? BC's most recent post regarding Palmar has placated me somewhat because if anyone is capable of this kind of play I'd believe it to be BC; it's the timing of the shot that just really bothers me. The 'shoot first, ask questions later' is not in anyway indicative of a towny mindset no matter how angry you are. There are many things BC could have done that I've argued would have been more effective, especially if it means wasting a vig shot on a towny that could have been effective later on. Except that BC is exactly the kind of person who would shoot first and ask questions later. I was all up in Adam's face in Duel mafia and even accused him of being 3P for most of the game because I thought he wasn't the shoot first, ask questions later kinda guy. Turned out he was. As town. As for him not being afraid of the role creator: well duh. He claims he created the role himself. And that part I absolutely believe.
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