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On June 23 2013 05:13 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:10 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:07 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 05:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:58 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 04:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:52 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 04:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
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go for it, no hosts are around to activate it thus we wait. You aren't dead until they post. Well since I am thinking it's faked to try and get me to reveal more.....I will not be revealing any information. Honestly my reads are not good because it's day 1, killing me because of a poor fos on you is very strange. I would not have been able to get you lynched anyways. its not your FoS you tard. Its you actively lying/trolling. Dont like it? Don't troll and lie. I don't care if your reads are good or bad. Don't post em with 0 reasoning. Then don't actively lie and make shit up when under pressure. LOL. I trolled when everyone was trolling. When people started being serious I stopped trolling. I never lied. So players should all just hide in corners and never post their reads? That's a good way to prevent town from giving their opinions to eachother. What? I said dont post without reasonings. If you think x is town or x is mafia, why? The reasons you have for why someone is or isn't something is how other players can better base their own read on you -_- If i just generically post a list of who I think is town or mafia. What fucking information does that give you with no reasoning behind it? Dick fucking all. I don't think you understand how day 1's work I don't think you understand how this game works. clearly the game works like this: do nothing tunnel a townie for no reason shoot a townie with the same reasoning you tunneled the townie for genius. For no reason? So you view someone posting shit with 0 reasoning behind it then making up bullshit reasons for said previous shit, then saying "luls jk guys none of it was legit" is no reason? Jesus christ. I don't see how it makes him scum. How does it make him scum BC?
How does it make him town?
Why do you want someone who is town playing like this? Please, enlighten me as to how what he did should be acceptable town play.
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On June 23 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:15 s0Lstice wrote:
WoS,
you are suggesting that BC, aware of his meta, is impersonating his town meta (losing temper) for the purposes of manipulation?
If so, how is this more likely than the simple explanation that 'BC is playing to his meta.' Remember Les Mafia? That's how.
The reason meta works at all is because people play to it without realizing it. If meta was manipulable i.e. I know my meta and can therefore use it to confuse people...then meta would break down entirely.
I think you believe what you are saying though, so I don't care so much about how correct I think your view on it is.
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On June 23 2013 05:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:11 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 05:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:07 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 05:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:58 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 04:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:52 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 04:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:46 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
Since I have yet to flip, I'm going to assume that was a fake day vig kill. go for it, no hosts are around to activate it thus we wait. You aren't dead until they post. Well since I am thinking it's faked to try and get me to reveal more.....I will not be revealing any information. Honestly my reads are not good because it's day 1, killing me because of a poor fos on you is very strange. I would not have been able to get you lynched anyways. its not your FoS you tard. Its you actively lying/trolling. Dont like it? Don't troll and lie. I don't care if your reads are good or bad. Don't post em with 0 reasoning. Then don't actively lie and make shit up when under pressure. LOL. I trolled when everyone was trolling. When people started being serious I stopped trolling. I never lied. So players should all just hide in corners and never post their reads? That's a good way to prevent town from giving their opinions to eachother. What? I said dont post without reasonings. If you think x is town or x is mafia, why? The reasons you have for why someone is or isn't something is how other players can better base their own read on you -_- If i just generically post a list of who I think is town or mafia. What fucking information does that give you with no reasoning behind it? Dick fucking all. I don't think you understand how day 1's work I don't think you understand how this game works. I didn't reveal I was a vigi on day one. I didn't get raged at trolls either. So? Who cares that I reveal that I am a vig. I used my shot on someone creating an anti town atmosphere thus making the game easier to solve once you are flipped. It also creates information about myself for the thread to read and determine my own alignment. Seems like I played intelligently. What did you do? Troll and act like a tard in hopes a vig would shoot you. Sad thing that you didnt think a day vig would get you.
Oh and by the way, he clearly was not trying to get vigged, but shot by scum at night. Which he mentioned himself. I'm not sure if that's a slip or intentional.
Solstice, you think it's more likely that he's just being emotional, right?
Do you think BC slipped on that because he's actually raging or just inserted that himself for someone like me to notice?
I am also realizing what Acro said about this shitting the hell out of the thread is true. Scum as of late have been making a whole lot of 'discussion-ending' plays it seems and this could very well be one of them.
I'd still like to consider who is scum outside of BC for now.
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On June 23 2013 05:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:13 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:08 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:02 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:01 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 04:59 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 04:58 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 04:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
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Please answer the bolded part. IE where is this information located. I can't find mafia team # in the OP
It always baffles me when people ask this. 16 players means 4 scum. he's obviously trying to look like a terrible townie because obviously a townie wouldn't know basic math. RIGHT?!?!??!1 Hey Dandel. Why would BC troll now when he's essentially basing everything he's done on the fact that Skater is trolling? Well, because he's scum and not good enough as scum to fake contributions properly. Basically. Then does his recent explanation of 'when it doesn't explicitly say' occur to you as being likely? Also fuck all these role teases and shit I wish it didn't help scum to know what these roles actually did so I could ask IM SO CURIOUSSSS So the fact that apparently Skater TRIED to get shot at night means there's some sort of reflect/protection/immunity involved? And the fact that Geript knows about it means he is the guy who wrote it. Given he was included in the lovetapping this probably makes sense. No not at all. He's crying that if there's an SK it's not EXACTLY 75%, so even if it's still 70%, clearly it's still totally bad for town amirite? It's stupid and irrelevant sematics and a terrible excuse to cling to his "opinion" Semantics? You used clear math as an absolute. Go fuck yourself. If the hosts haven't revealed a number you can easily say "it is likely 75% / 25%" Or some nonsense but using an absolute with hidden information implies knowledge town don't have. "hurr durr it's hidden information so I have to be town and you have to be scum because I'm acting clueless as if i never played mafia before" Actually no you don't even have the balls to call anybody scum, you just attack "anti-town" things. Whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiich is what scum do. Attacking anti-town instead of scum. huhuhuhuhuhuhuh Also you lied, I never said it was EXACTLY 75/25 you quoted the numbers and said it was simple math. You then called me a troll for asking how you got said numbers as if I must be crazy to not have them. Given how sure of yourself you were its an absolute. If you didn't phrase it the way you did or respond to my question the way you did then I would say you are right it wasn't an absolute. However your behaviour indicates otherwise.
If it was absolute I would have said it was absolute.
You're the one blatantly putting words I never said in my mouth. (which is called lying btw.)
On June 23 2013 05:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:13 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:10 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:07 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 05:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:58 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 04:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:52 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
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Well since I am thinking it's faked to try and get me to reveal more.....I will not be revealing any information. Honestly my reads are not good because it's day 1, killing me because of a poor fos on you is very strange. I would not have been able to get you lynched anyways. its not your FoS you tard. Its you actively lying/trolling. Dont like it? Don't troll and lie. I don't care if your reads are good or bad. Don't post em with 0 reasoning. Then don't actively lie and make shit up when under pressure. LOL. I trolled when everyone was trolling. When people started being serious I stopped trolling. I never lied. So players should all just hide in corners and never post their reads? That's a good way to prevent town from giving their opinions to eachother. What? I said dont post without reasonings. If you think x is town or x is mafia, why? The reasons you have for why someone is or isn't something is how other players can better base their own read on you -_- If i just generically post a list of who I think is town or mafia. What fucking information does that give you with no reasoning behind it? Dick fucking all. I don't think you understand how day 1's work I don't think you understand how this game works. clearly the game works like this: do nothing tunnel a townie for no reason shoot a townie with the same reasoning you tunneled the townie for genius. For no reason? So you view someone posting shit with 0 reasoning behind it then making up bullshit reasons for said previous shit, then saying "luls jk guys none of it was legit" is no reason? Jesus christ. I don't see how it makes him scum. How does it make him scum BC? How does it make him town? Why do you want someone who is town playing like this? Please, enlighten me as to how what he did should be acceptable town play.
See that's what I'm saying.
You can't even explain why he would be scum.
You're shooting him for being "anti-town" which like THE most easy and convenient excuse for scum because you don't need to explain a false scumread, which also means you won't be wrong, so you can pretend to be smart while blatantly shooting townies.
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On June 23 2013 05:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'd still like to consider who is scum outside of BC for now.
Kurumi
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On June 23 2013 05:15 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:00 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 04:57 Acrofales wrote:On June 23 2013 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 04:20 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:( 1 )I'm defending my FOS. You guys can think that I'm the worst player ever if you want. In all honestly I have no real reads, but you asked for some, so I attemped to give them. ( 2 ) Also BloodyCobbler has revealed he has a killing ability.  ( 3 ) My role is pretty weak / lame. I just giving you my opinion, you know in this game that is based on opinions? ( 4 ) Also if I was Mafia, It would be pretty dumb of me to gather this much attention. I find that this day has actually been fairly useful. Added the numbers myself: 1 - FoS is meaningless. if you have no reads, say so, and come up with some after you do some real reading of the thread. 2 - Are you serious? 3 - Once again, this has absolutely no alignment indication whatsoever. It doesn't matter what people's opinions of their roles are or whether they are in fact weak or strong---people can act in whatever way they feel like while having those roles. 4 - WIFOM Hey Acro. If I'm noobie town or bad scum, what does that make this guy? BC what did you just do Noob town. But he might just have gotten shot already, so we'll see soon enough. As I have said, my intent was to get shot at night. I didn't anticipate BC actually killing me during the day. We will see how things go. :D Not that this matters much, but I will never EVER understand this play. While there is nothing wrong with a VT getting shot at night, the way to do is not to claim you're a blue, which is more likely to get you lynched than shot, it is to put scum under pressure with good play, so they feel threatened by you. This is the second time in a game where someone comes from another forum with completely illogical D1 play with the "intention of drawing a shot on N1".. and ends up creating a shitstorm and getting town all batshit crazy. WHY?!!! /rant off
I never claimed that I am a blue. Where are you getting at with this?
Just because I am using a different strategy than you would use does not make it poor play or illogical.
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On June 23 2013 05:21 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 s0Lstice wrote:
WoS,
you are suggesting that BC, aware of his meta, is impersonating his town meta (losing temper) for the purposes of manipulation?
If so, how is this more likely than the simple explanation that 'BC is playing to his meta.' Remember Les Mafia? That's how. The reason meta works at all is because people play to it without realizing it. If meta was manipulable i.e. I know my meta and can therefore use it to confuse people...then meta would break down entirely. I think you believe what you are saying though, so I don't care so much about how correct I think your view on it is.
You really think something this obvious that people recognize BC for is something he'd do without realizing it? This isn't a subtle tell we're talking about here like misspelling words or using certain phrases. Meta is completely manipulable on a grand scale; it's the subtle things that actually make meta reads useful. I found it particularly easy to play to my town meta on all the obvious points that people recognized me for, but I can think of a couple things I definitely did completely differently that game that nobody picked up on that would have gotten me nailed.
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On June 23 2013 05:24 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:15 Acrofales wrote:On June 23 2013 05:00 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 04:57 Acrofales wrote:On June 23 2013 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 04:20 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:( 1 )I'm defending my FOS. You guys can think that I'm the worst player ever if you want. In all honestly I have no real reads, but you asked for some, so I attemped to give them. ( 2 ) Also BloodyCobbler has revealed he has a killing ability. ( 3 ) My role is pretty weak / lame. I just giving you my opinion, you know in this game that is based on opinions? ( 4 ) Also if I was Mafia, It would be pretty dumb of me to gather this much attention. I find that this day has actually been fairly useful. Added the numbers myself: 1 - FoS is meaningless. if you have no reads, say so, and come up with some after you do some real reading of the thread. 2 - Are you serious? 3 - Once again, this has absolutely no alignment indication whatsoever. It doesn't matter what people's opinions of their roles are or whether they are in fact weak or strong---people can act in whatever way they feel like while having those roles. 4 - WIFOM Hey Acro. If I'm noobie town or bad scum, what does that make this guy? BC what did you just do Noob town. But he might just have gotten shot already, so we'll see soon enough. As I have said, my intent was to get shot at night. I didn't anticipate BC actually killing me during the day. We will see how things go. :D Not that this matters much, but I will never EVER understand this play. While there is nothing wrong with a VT getting shot at night, the way to do is not to claim you're a blue, which is more likely to get you lynched than shot, it is to put scum under pressure with good play, so they feel threatened by you. This is the second time in a game where someone comes from another forum with completely illogical D1 play with the "intention of drawing a shot on N1".. and ends up creating a shitstorm and getting town all batshit crazy. WHY?!!! /rant off I never claimed that I am a blue. Where are you getting at with this? Just because I am using a different strategy than you would use does not make it poor play or illogical.
You've been playing with Vayne haven't you?
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On June 23 2013 05:25 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:24 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 Acrofales wrote:On June 23 2013 05:00 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 04:57 Acrofales wrote:On June 23 2013 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 04:20 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:( 1 )I'm defending my FOS. You guys can think that I'm the worst player ever if you want. In all honestly I have no real reads, but you asked for some, so I attemped to give them. ( 2 ) Also BloodyCobbler has revealed he has a killing ability. ( 3 ) My role is pretty weak / lame. I just giving you my opinion, you know in this game that is based on opinions? ( 4 ) Also if I was Mafia, It would be pretty dumb of me to gather this much attention. I find that this day has actually been fairly useful. Added the numbers myself: 1 - FoS is meaningless. if you have no reads, say so, and come up with some after you do some real reading of the thread. 2 - Are you serious? 3 - Once again, this has absolutely no alignment indication whatsoever. It doesn't matter what people's opinions of their roles are or whether they are in fact weak or strong---people can act in whatever way they feel like while having those roles. 4 - WIFOM Hey Acro. If I'm noobie town or bad scum, what does that make this guy? BC what did you just do Noob town. But he might just have gotten shot already, so we'll see soon enough. As I have said, my intent was to get shot at night. I didn't anticipate BC actually killing me during the day. We will see how things go. :D Not that this matters much, but I will never EVER understand this play. While there is nothing wrong with a VT getting shot at night, the way to do is not to claim you're a blue, which is more likely to get you lynched than shot, it is to put scum under pressure with good play, so they feel threatened by you. This is the second time in a game where someone comes from another forum with completely illogical D1 play with the "intention of drawing a shot on N1".. and ends up creating a shitstorm and getting town all batshit crazy. WHY?!!! /rant off I never claimed that I am a blue. Where are you getting at with this? Just because I am using a different strategy than you would use does not make it poor play or illogical. You've been playing with Vayne haven't you?
Who? :p
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On June 23 2013 05:23 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:13 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:08 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:02 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:01 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 04:59 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 04:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
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It always baffles me when people ask this.
16 players means 4 scum. he's obviously trying to look like a terrible townie because obviously a townie wouldn't know basic math. RIGHT?!?!??!1 Hey Dandel. Why would BC troll now when he's essentially basing everything he's done on the fact that Skater is trolling? Well, because he's scum and not good enough as scum to fake contributions properly. Basically. Then does his recent explanation of 'when it doesn't explicitly say' occur to you as being likely? Also fuck all these role teases and shit I wish it didn't help scum to know what these roles actually did so I could ask IM SO CURIOUSSSS So the fact that apparently Skater TRIED to get shot at night means there's some sort of reflect/protection/immunity involved? And the fact that Geript knows about it means he is the guy who wrote it. Given he was included in the lovetapping this probably makes sense. No not at all. He's crying that if there's an SK it's not EXACTLY 75%, so even if it's still 70%, clearly it's still totally bad for town amirite? It's stupid and irrelevant sematics and a terrible excuse to cling to his "opinion" Semantics? You used clear math as an absolute. Go fuck yourself. If the hosts haven't revealed a number you can easily say "it is likely 75% / 25%" Or some nonsense but using an absolute with hidden information implies knowledge town don't have. "hurr durr it's hidden information so I have to be town and you have to be scum because I'm acting clueless as if i never played mafia before" Actually no you don't even have the balls to call anybody scum, you just attack "anti-town" things. Whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiich is what scum do. Attacking anti-town instead of scum. huhuhuhuhuhuhuh Also you lied, I never said it was EXACTLY 75/25 you quoted the numbers and said it was simple math. You then called me a troll for asking how you got said numbers as if I must be crazy to not have them. Given how sure of yourself you were its an absolute. If you didn't phrase it the way you did or respond to my question the way you did then I would say you are right it wasn't an absolute. However your behaviour indicates otherwise. If it was absolute I would have said it was absolute. You're the one blatantly putting words I never said in my mouth. (which is called lying btw.) Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:13 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:10 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:07 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 05:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:58 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 04:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
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its not your FoS you tard. Its you actively lying/trolling. Dont like it? Don't troll and lie.
I don't care if your reads are good or bad. Don't post em with 0 reasoning. Then don't actively lie and make shit up when under pressure. LOL. I trolled when everyone was trolling. When people started being serious I stopped trolling. I never lied. So players should all just hide in corners and never post their reads? That's a good way to prevent town from giving their opinions to eachother. What? I said dont post without reasonings. If you think x is town or x is mafia, why? The reasons you have for why someone is or isn't something is how other players can better base their own read on you -_- If i just generically post a list of who I think is town or mafia. What fucking information does that give you with no reasoning behind it? Dick fucking all. I don't think you understand how day 1's work I don't think you understand how this game works. clearly the game works like this: do nothing tunnel a townie for no reason shoot a townie with the same reasoning you tunneled the townie for genius. For no reason? So you view someone posting shit with 0 reasoning behind it then making up bullshit reasons for said previous shit, then saying "luls jk guys none of it was legit" is no reason? Jesus christ. I don't see how it makes him scum. How does it make him scum BC? How does it make him town? Why do you want someone who is town playing like this? Please, enlighten me as to how what he did should be acceptable town play. See that's what I'm saying. You can't even explain why he would be scum. You're shooting him for being "anti-town" which like THE most easy and convenient excuse for scum because you don't need to explain a false scumread, which also means you won't be wrong, so you can pretend to be smart while blatantly shooting townies.
as much as I hate using it as an example go look at LXI. I as town, actively pushed people who were actively anti town. Why? Because I thought they were scum for it. I recognize day 1 skater could easily be a douchebag trolly town. However I am sick of dealing with players like that in games and finally have a gun to at least remove one cancer from the game.
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Where is Zephirdd?
Only played one game with him so far but it was pretty obvious how town he was in that game; in this one he hasn't done shit and he said he'd be back.
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On June 23 2013 05:25 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:21 s0Lstice wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 s0Lstice wrote:
WoS,
you are suggesting that BC, aware of his meta, is impersonating his town meta (losing temper) for the purposes of manipulation?
If so, how is this more likely than the simple explanation that 'BC is playing to his meta.' Remember Les Mafia? That's how. The reason meta works at all is because people play to it without realizing it. If meta was manipulable i.e. I know my meta and can therefore use it to confuse people...then meta would break down entirely. I think you believe what you are saying though, so I don't care so much about how correct I think your view on it is. You really think something this obvious that people recognize BC for is something he'd do without realizing it? This isn't a subtle tell we're talking about here like misspelling words or using certain phrases. Meta is completely manipulable on a grand scale; it's the subtle things that actually make meta reads useful. I found it particularly easy to play to my town meta on all the obvious points that people recognized me for, but I can think of a couple things I definitely did completely differently that game that nobody picked up on that would have gotten me nailed.
Tell me this. If I am scum and you think I am faking my town meta just answer me this. Why would I bother shooting someone I think is actively fucking with the thread when its far easier to sit back and let him be a fucktard? Why would I not wait until someone appeared everyone wanted dead and shoot them, or just hold off and wait and strike at a more advantageous moment?
I honestly don't care if you think I am scum or not, but arguing based on the fact I can change my own meta while not accounting for the rest of the things that should be accounted for is odd.
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BC prove how LXI is an example?
I don't remember you pushing Kush until he was one of the very few in the game left.
I am well aware you rail against shitposting but as I've already said I don't personally take your meta as good evidence here because you are obviously aware of it. Maybe you will be able to convince me if there's something I'm missing.
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On June 23 2013 05:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:21 s0Lstice wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 s0Lstice wrote:
WoS,
you are suggesting that BC, aware of his meta, is impersonating his town meta (losing temper) for the purposes of manipulation?
If so, how is this more likely than the simple explanation that 'BC is playing to his meta.' Remember Les Mafia? That's how. The reason meta works at all is because people play to it without realizing it. If meta was manipulable i.e. I know my meta and can therefore use it to confuse people...then meta would break down entirely. I think you believe what you are saying though, so I don't care so much about how correct I think your view on it is. You really think something this obvious that people recognize BC for is something he'd do without realizing it? This isn't a subtle tell we're talking about here like misspelling words or using certain phrases. Meta is completely manipulable on a grand scale; it's the subtle things that actually make meta reads useful. I found it particularly easy to play to my town meta on all the obvious points that people recognized me for, but I can think of a couple things I definitely did completely differently that game that nobody picked up on that would have gotten me nailed. Tell me this. If I am scum and you think I am faking my town meta just answer me this. Why would I bother shooting someone I think is actively fucking with the thread when its far easier to sit back and let him be a fucktard? Why would I not wait until someone appeared everyone wanted dead and shoot them, or just hold off and wait and strike at a more advantageous moment? I honestly don't care if you think I am scum or not, but arguing based on the fact I can change my own meta while not accounting for the rest of the things that should be accounted for is odd.
If you are scum you can get away with a free kill on someone and just say it was because he was trolling. If I flipped town, you claim I was trolling anti-town and have helped the town.
Also you can go ahead and stop pushing that you have day vig abilities. It's been over an hour.
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On June 23 2013 05:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
BC prove how LXI is an example?
I don't remember you pushing Kush until he was one of the very few in the game left.
I am well aware you rail against shitposting but as I've already said I don't personally take your meta as good evidence here because you are obviously aware of it. Maybe you will be able to convince me if there's something I'm missing.
Yamato, Palmar, Kush.
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On June 23 2013 05:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:21 s0Lstice wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 s0Lstice wrote:
WoS,
you are suggesting that BC, aware of his meta, is impersonating his town meta (losing temper) for the purposes of manipulation?
If so, how is this more likely than the simple explanation that 'BC is playing to his meta.' Remember Les Mafia? That's how. The reason meta works at all is because people play to it without realizing it. If meta was manipulable i.e. I know my meta and can therefore use it to confuse people...then meta would break down entirely. I think you believe what you are saying though, so I don't care so much about how correct I think your view on it is. You really think something this obvious that people recognize BC for is something he'd do without realizing it? This isn't a subtle tell we're talking about here like misspelling words or using certain phrases. Meta is completely manipulable on a grand scale; it's the subtle things that actually make meta reads useful. I found it particularly easy to play to my town meta on all the obvious points that people recognized me for, but I can think of a couple things I definitely did completely differently that game that nobody picked up on that would have gotten me nailed. Tell me this. If I am scum and you think I am faking my town meta just answer me this. Why would I bother shooting someone I think is actively fucking with the thread when its far easier to sit back and let him be a fucktard? Why would I not wait until someone appeared everyone wanted dead and shoot them, or just hold off and wait and strike at a more advantageous moment? I honestly don't care if you think I am scum or not, but arguing based on the fact I can change my own meta while not accounting for the rest of the things that should be accounted for is odd.
Because I didn't think he was being fucktarded enough to mess with the thread. I don't see any evidence that 'letting him be fucktarded' remains in scum interests in any way since at least to me Skater was well on his way to proving his towniness to me. I've said so and argued for it.
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On June 23 2013 05:36 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:21 s0Lstice wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 s0Lstice wrote:
WoS,
you are suggesting that BC, aware of his meta, is impersonating his town meta (losing temper) for the purposes of manipulation?
If so, how is this more likely than the simple explanation that 'BC is playing to his meta.' Remember Les Mafia? That's how. The reason meta works at all is because people play to it without realizing it. If meta was manipulable i.e. I know my meta and can therefore use it to confuse people...then meta would break down entirely. I think you believe what you are saying though, so I don't care so much about how correct I think your view on it is. You really think something this obvious that people recognize BC for is something he'd do without realizing it? This isn't a subtle tell we're talking about here like misspelling words or using certain phrases. Meta is completely manipulable on a grand scale; it's the subtle things that actually make meta reads useful. I found it particularly easy to play to my town meta on all the obvious points that people recognized me for, but I can think of a couple things I definitely did completely differently that game that nobody picked up on that would have gotten me nailed. Tell me this. If I am scum and you think I am faking my town meta just answer me this. Why would I bother shooting someone I think is actively fucking with the thread when its far easier to sit back and let him be a fucktard? Why would I not wait until someone appeared everyone wanted dead and shoot them, or just hold off and wait and strike at a more advantageous moment? I honestly don't care if you think I am scum or not, but arguing based on the fact I can change my own meta while not accounting for the rest of the things that should be accounted for is odd. If you are scum you can get away with a free kill on someone and just say it was because he was trolling. If I flipped town, you claim I was trolling anti-town and have helped the town. Also you can go ahead and stop pushing that you have day vig abilities. It's been over an hour.
so? Hosts have lives too. Ive as a host shown up 12 hours after someone used their ability due to my schedule. Decon could be working, sleeping, etc.. as could sentinel.
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On June 23 2013 05:10 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:06 Acrofales wrote:On June 23 2013 04:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:38 kitaman27 wrote:
Can the role creator of Jack the Ripper confirm that the day vig can be used anonymously? The role is not jack the ripper and no one can confirm my role, because I got my own role. While BC is wiley enough to plan this, I believe him. He was clearly foreshadowing this with his objection to my plan. So he made himself a dayvig. The question is still whether he is scum or town, but I don't think we should lynch him regardless of what sk8r flips. I don't think BC has been acting particularly scummy, although so far he has only been going batshit insane tunnelmode on that sk8r guy. It just feels like the start of Personality 2, and I think this is more BC losing his temper than BC making a calculated scumplay to vig shot some noobie who does not feel like much of a threat. Yeah I don't buy it. I've seen BC lose his temper. BC knows that people have seen him lose his temper. Can you link me something from Personality 2 (apparently an infamous game that nobody likes to talk about) that indicates why you think this more likely town BC?
Kurumi trolled D1 and acted as if he was Chezinu.
WBG was actually Chezinu.
It all got up to a somewhat heated discussion and yamato shot Kurumi in the face. It didn't really solve anything and WBG got lynched D1 (and was in fact Chezinu, a 3P survivor).
BC was in that game and knows what happened. So is he scum trying to create a similar situation (it is worth mentioning that yamato was considered town for it)? Or is he town? I still lean towards the latter, but I haven't had a lot of experience with scum BC.
Kita? What do you make of it?
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On June 23 2013 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
BC prove how LXI is an example?
I don't remember you pushing Kush until he was one of the very few in the game left.
I am well aware you rail against shitposting but as I've already said I don't personally take your meta as good evidence here because you are obviously aware of it. Maybe you will be able to convince me if there's something I'm missing.
Yamato, Palmar, Kush.
Yamato shitposting I can see someone making an argument for, but Palmar? Yeah he played like ass that game and we lost 'cause we got fucked at LYLO but is he KNOWN for that kind of play? Isn't Palmar widely regarded as a good player?
You're right in that we should have offed Palmar way earlier in the game just to remove all reasonable doubt, and if this is your thought process rather than the fact that he was shitposting I might be able to see your POV, but this doesn't seem to be your train of thought towards Skater. Like...it's so fucking EARLY in the game.
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On June 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:23 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:13 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:08 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:02 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:01 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 04:59 Dandel Ion wrote:
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he's obviously trying to look like a terrible townie because obviously a townie wouldn't know basic math.
RIGHT?!?!??!1 Hey Dandel. Why would BC troll now when he's essentially basing everything he's done on the fact that Skater is trolling? Well, because he's scum and not good enough as scum to fake contributions properly. Basically. Then does his recent explanation of 'when it doesn't explicitly say' occur to you as being likely? Also fuck all these role teases and shit I wish it didn't help scum to know what these roles actually did so I could ask IM SO CURIOUSSSS So the fact that apparently Skater TRIED to get shot at night means there's some sort of reflect/protection/immunity involved? And the fact that Geript knows about it means he is the guy who wrote it. Given he was included in the lovetapping this probably makes sense. No not at all. He's crying that if there's an SK it's not EXACTLY 75%, so even if it's still 70%, clearly it's still totally bad for town amirite? It's stupid and irrelevant sematics and a terrible excuse to cling to his "opinion" Semantics? You used clear math as an absolute. Go fuck yourself. If the hosts haven't revealed a number you can easily say "it is likely 75% / 25%" Or some nonsense but using an absolute with hidden information implies knowledge town don't have. "hurr durr it's hidden information so I have to be town and you have to be scum because I'm acting clueless as if i never played mafia before" Actually no you don't even have the balls to call anybody scum, you just attack "anti-town" things. Whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiich is what scum do. Attacking anti-town instead of scum. huhuhuhuhuhuhuh Also you lied, I never said it was EXACTLY 75/25 you quoted the numbers and said it was simple math. You then called me a troll for asking how you got said numbers as if I must be crazy to not have them. Given how sure of yourself you were its an absolute. If you didn't phrase it the way you did or respond to my question the way you did then I would say you are right it wasn't an absolute. However your behaviour indicates otherwise. If it was absolute I would have said it was absolute. You're the one blatantly putting words I never said in my mouth. (which is called lying btw.) On June 23 2013 05:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:13 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:10 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:07 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 05:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:58 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
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LOL. I trolled when everyone was trolling. When people started being serious I stopped trolling. I never lied.
So players should all just hide in corners and never post their reads? That's a good way to prevent town from giving their opinions to eachother. What? I said dont post without reasonings. If you think x is town or x is mafia, why? The reasons you have for why someone is or isn't something is how other players can better base their own read on you -_- If i just generically post a list of who I think is town or mafia. What fucking information does that give you with no reasoning behind it? Dick fucking all. I don't think you understand how day 1's work I don't think you understand how this game works. clearly the game works like this: do nothing tunnel a townie for no reason shoot a townie with the same reasoning you tunneled the townie for genius. For no reason? So you view someone posting shit with 0 reasoning behind it then making up bullshit reasons for said previous shit, then saying "luls jk guys none of it was legit" is no reason? Jesus christ. I don't see how it makes him scum. How does it make him scum BC? How does it make him town? Why do you want someone who is town playing like this? Please, enlighten me as to how what he did should be acceptable town play. See that's what I'm saying. You can't even explain why he would be scum. You're shooting him for being "anti-town" which like THE most easy and convenient excuse for scum because you don't need to explain a false scumread, which also means you won't be wrong, so you can pretend to be smart while blatantly shooting townies. as much as I hate using it as an example go look at LXI. I as town, actively pushed people who were actively anti town. Why? Because I thought they were scum for it. I recognize day 1 skater could easily be a douchebag trolly town. However I am sick of dealing with players like that in games and finally have a gun to at least remove one cancer from the game.
why are you trying to play like in LXI? (need i remind you of the outcome?)
You could be trying to improve instead of repeating the same old mistakes, and you not doing so has a clear motivation as mafia since it's ez town meta to mold yourself into
As town, the explanation is basically that you are unwilling to learn from your mistakes. Do you want me to think that of you? Cuz it seems like you do.
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