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On July 16 2013 21:29 kholly wrote: The bolded statement is what informed me that he is mafia. DoctorHelvetica is suppose to be a well known player, yet he is calling for people to roleclaim who they talk to? Don't believe this guy. I read the Nuclear Winter Mafia game. Using bad language doesn't get town anywhere. Thanks for pointing out that there is a voting thread. I didn't see it as it was far down the list. It is now bumped thanks to me. Oats, you should understand that I am playing the game. As you can tell, I am a very efficient scumhunter. Are you scared of this fake and trying to use aggression to get me to conform to the mafia ideals? I would like to say that I will not listen to the threats of terrorists. I will not be bullied. If you are mafia, you should kill you own mafia members for town credit as you always do in most of your games. Vote DH. I played the nuclear mafia game, and the game before with him as town. Both times he got into early conflicts like this by being transparent. Also how is the nuclear mafia game indicative of his scum play? He was town. In regards to pms, what does mafia learn by knowing whose pming who? Absolutely nothing, the whole point of pms is that mafia can no longer benefit from certain discussions in any way. Unless scum is being pmed in which case they already know and are already privy to the conversation. How is knowing whose communicating with who more useful for scum then town? If town knows they can co-ordinate a chain, ie I mason D.H then D.H chains oats and oats can pm me through the intermediately (oats mentioned everything one pming him making him the universal intermediatery but thats dumb, and risky). Naturally though the chain requires trust like all things but when done right it allows a certain degree of thread coordination. The only threat of being open is mafia disrupting pm relationships. This is actually a bit of a problem seeing as we only get one pm, which is why I suggest not mass masoning D.H or someone else, if you must pm an intermediatery you trust. Other stuff. Tofu: The argument that he pre typed his first post therefore its bad is silly, he ultimately decided to post it. Which is all that really matters, from there just ask yourself, did you find his post helpful? Was it maybe scum trying to comment on setup for easy townie points? Maybe, I personally think his thoughts were helpful (ie the growing risk of the traitor, therefore best to tackle him when he reaches his personal zenith) but if your going to attack him about the post do it for valid reasons. D.H, Im really going to be wary of people who try to spend alot of there posts early in the day cycle, which Dh has, not being able to fight back is a great excuse and paints the accuser as a villain, im sure at least one or two scum will attempt something of this vien before the games through. His commenting on pming is fine, neither her nor there, its setup stuff to get the ball rolling but the point is hes getting the ball rolling. Which is townie to an extent. What I also really like is that he pressed Tofu and then backed off when he was satisfied with tofus response people please do not leave accusations hanging in the air, they will burn posts and actively hurt town, this interaction (Tofu posts, dh pressures, tofu explains, dh absolves) is the model for how interactions should go between townies if they have a grievance with one another. I think Dh's behaviour here strikes me as a townie trying to get the most out of as little as possible, so he reads green to me for now. Thats about it. | ||
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On July 16 2013 23:05 kholly wrote: To be clear, the only person I called scum this whole game is Dr.H. I just said I wouldn't trust rayne and I was referring to a game where he was town. what does mafia learn by knowing whose pming who? I won't go into details; it would only hurt town. This is an extremely deadly tool in the hands of a mafia player who knows what he is doing. PS: Dr.H doesn't even follow his on advice. I dont care what game you think your playing but were going to need more than that, transparency between townies still matters, dont breadcrumb unless your willing to spit out whatever your trying to say or pm it to the relevant party. And even despite that hiding behind pms is not townie play and I will press anyone who also feels the need to do the above in a smartass way. You are also implying that only a vote backed by an accusation matters, which is bullshit, scum want to throw as much at the fan as possible without getting any backlash and casually calling people scummy without voting them is a great way to do so. I didn't vote for him is a terrible defence. I will vote for you though until you can explain what you mean in thread or through a pm to me or someone I trust, and back up/ drop your Rayne shitflinging. ##Vote: Kholly | ||
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On July 16 2013 23:24 kholly wrote: What do you think about the concept that scum can only mason 1 person as opposed to town being about to mason two? Oh and don't worry, I'm talking to town. I hate to waste your posts but sorry I'm as thick as a castle wall XD I assume scum can mason 2 people as well, I dont know why they wouldn't be able to seeing as that would be a cheap way to distinguish town from scum, basically scum have all the mechanical tools to look like town is my assumption. Regarding some other matters. Post giving: If someone runs out posts whose under assault we should not hesitate to donate some of our own posts to them, having a one sided accusation is bads and makes it really easy for town to mislynch. Oats. In general I've found his posting so far to be really shallow, hes burning through his bank fast and part of me suspects it might be because he wants to. Man im totally gonna blow my post count in like the first 3 hours. This is indicative of that scum play I mentioned earlier, wherein they waste posts on purpose. He wastes part of a post to let us know that hes going to post in an anti town manner. Also this. Koshi, why waste 5% of your limit on a useless post? Absolutely USELESS. one of his later posts is just this oh god this type of player. So a hypocrite I suppose. Whats also interesting is he shotguns alot of questions as opposed to trying to have a dialogue with one or two players then moving on. Malongo, Koshi and kholly, start playing the game. Kholly, why is DrH scum? Also there is a voting thread. Malongo, why is MZ being polarizing a scumtell? Koshi, why waste 5% of your limit on a useless post? Absolutely USELESS. Rayn, so if you are scum and you use your role, no one knows. Right. Sounds like your claim isnt actually a good thing. Who are you looking to be scum hapa. You can retract your statement at any time, but you have GOT to have some inkling Yeah hapa, whos scum? Tofu, have you played with a traitor mechanic before? If so, what did you gain from that? If not, why are you focusing on the traitor? VE wtf? Tell me how wasting posts arguing with Vayne is scummy? Have you played with Vayne before? Tell me how what he did isnt pressuring Vayne. tell me how scummy you are! Thoughts on FT VE? MZ, so is DrH scummy? Alot of these questions are of dubious worth, they'd be fine in a regular mafia game but here it looks like Oats is trying to burn through all of towns posts early on. Also this. Everyone, name 1 scumread. OR DIE! Again forcing posts in a broad stroke manner. FOS: Oats | ||
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On July 17 2013 00:08 Oatsmaster wrote: You give me more credit than I deserve Gumshoe, this supposed plan of mine is brilliant for wasting posts. From what you have seen of how I play, is this consistant of my town or scum play Gumshoe? Also This post is completely full of crap. This is Tofu's last post and DrH didnt post after that. I dont see how is this resolved in the slightest. I assume you think FT is town, is that right from this quote. So talk about how my response to FT's post is wrong please. Adressing the bolded parts. 1: We have never played together im a game where your were scum, or in a game with limited posts, your meta has nothing to do with the pattern I brought up which may or may not be real. Unless your telling me your too stupid period to play in a way that makes sense as scum in this unique setup, which I'm just not going for. I have seen you play intelligently, you have established that capacity and therefore I cant dismiss anything on account of meta. 2: I used the resolution argument to defend Drh, not Tufo, Drh's last point was an effort to resolve a thread he deemed closed, in this setup I find that townie, Tufo's own actions be they wise or unwise have nothing to do with that argument. 3: Similarly I found Drh town based on that interaction not Tofu, as for Tofu hes null to me, I just find the argument that he prewrote a first post therefore scum to be dumb, his decision to post something that I found helpful is the reason I might find him town at all. In general if you are town Oats I ask that you focus your questions, this shotgun approach wastes both your own and everyone else writing space. Also if they dont adress a question you ask, please follow up as opposed to moving on to the next dozen questions. Because when you do go back and point out how somebody hasn't answered you, they can just say that no one has, and you've asked so many questions its easy to have missed one or that because you asked so many you have devalued thier adressal value. | ||
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On July 16 2013 23:24 kholly wrote: What do you think about the concept that scum can only mason 1 person as opposed to town being about to mason two? Oh and don't worry, I'm talking to town. Seeing as you still havent answered my questions, in pm or in thread, I'll follow up on you one last time before my vote fixes itself in place. What made you suspect in the first place that scum would have only one pm? Where are you getting this information? Why even bother thinking that if theres no source? Without hard evidence it's a dumb question and a non answer to my own question. If you do have evidence that begs the question, how would you know anything about scums setup? Also in regards to the bolded, why even imply that you might be asking the question as traitor? Why is that even on your mind, we were in no way discussing traitor so why do you feel the need to clarify that your not the traitor? Did you realize that it might come off as bread crumbing? Answer my questions in pm or in thread please. Also if your unwilling to pm me for whatever reason if I pm you will you answer me? Oh and Vivax, is the only alternative to detective Vivax tunnel Vivax? If so keep up the good work I guess... But could you at least make the names obvious? Whose hippy? | ||
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On July 17 2013 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show me where I said no one should mason. I meant you are discouraging people to mason if they are unsure of what to do with PM's. That's dumb. Why are you telling people they don't need to mason anyone if they do not want to? Of course they do, because it helps town. If you are unsure of what to do with your PM's and therefore do not mason, don't listen to slOosh, he should know better. Mason me and i'll tell you what to do. FFS you can ask your mason partner how you should use your PM's, and tell the thread what he said. Be creative and not fall into this dumb "i'm so bad in off-thread comm, i ignore it" bullshit. I will lynch you if you ignore it, because off thread comm helps town more than it helps mafia. It gives the town opportunity to make plans and catch scum in different ways. And don't give that bullshit "what if you mason mafia or are wrong about your read". That'll come clear eventually, or you out your logs and someone else might be able to see it. TLDR; Everyone needs to mason 2 people, not necessarily at the start of the game. If you dont know what to do with PM's, mason me. gumshoe explain to me how you reached your conclusion in the DrH/FirmTofu exchange?[/QUOTE] Drh pressured tofu, tofu responded, dry backed off tofu when he was satisfied with his answer. Regardless of what tofu did after these are the facts of drh's actions, drh could have easily left his accusation hanging in order not to look flip floppy. Instead he closed the matter for the moment. Doing so hurts his individual position but it is a boon for town because we're able to scratch off a pointless(from dh,s perspective) argument. This reads townie to me, does it mean he is 100 percent mega town? No of course not, but dropping the accusation seems silly for scum who want as many plot threads as possible And want to come off as strong. Also I agree, I think a lot of people have twisted your words. Oats, you have only 8 posts left, please put down some reasoning alongside your dick next time. Also you were sure I was scum last game, and you were wrong Xd feel free to accuse me but please don't treat your perspective of my alignment as fact. Lastly if anyone asks me to repeat myself again I'm going to require a post donation as payment. | ||
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On July 17 2013 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: gumshoe, a couple of things: 1) How do you magically know DrH "backed off". Because i happen to know that's not true. He just didn't post any more. 2) Explain this: Your first post contains this: Later: Now why the sudden change of mind. Did you only get one mason to use? 3) Who have twisted my words and how? 1: @FirmTofu - I think your defense seems very legitimate and natural, you're off my scumdar. However, it's not that you drew attention to the existence of the traitor, just the fact that it seemed to be at the top of your mind is off. Which is why I wanted you to clarify how you approach mafia in general, it makes perfect sense that the numerically/setup minded type of townies would be fixated on that from the beginning. An LSB/sandro type of player are the kinds of people who I wouldn't raise an eyebrow at for talking traitor, so thanks for that. This is the last mention of tofu in DH's filter. 2:A mistake, I misread op and didn't realize that you get 2, I should have clarified when I realized but I didn't wanna waste a post just to say I'd dun goofed. 3: I thought you were sloosh XD my bad You owe me a post : P | ||
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In light of the whole pm he said she said matter I'm still suspicious of Oats's posting, which in a normal game would look townie but here seems exceptionally wasteful yet still conveniently in character, at the very least no one should give him 5 posts considering how little he's done with the amount he already had unless he needs to defend himself in case of a vote, if so I will personally lend him 5 posts. I'm done for tonight, gl y'all happy hunting. | ||
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On July 17 2013 11:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Anyone want me to mason them? I'll take your desires into consideration. *Note in order to apply you must not suck ass. Me (This will be my only wasted post this cycle ) | ||
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On July 17 2013 11:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I was gonna mason you gumshoe but the you did a thing :/ Masoning one person is bad unless its you amirite gumshoe? Dammit, I should be asleep. I asked knolls to pm me because I suspected him and wanted to talk with him based off his cryptic posts. He hasn't responded to me and instead called me scum for no reason, It would have helped both of us clear stuff up about each other, I even offered to pm him later on if he was willing to answer me in those Pms, he did not bother providing such assurances. I had a very specific reason for asking him to pm me. We are not speaking right now, the only person I have pmed is blocked (Rayne). Also I made that post back when I thought we only get one mason. This isn't me asking everyone to pm me, it's just a dog begging for a bone, or rather a townie with no current masons hoping to form a mutually beneficial relationship. | ||
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On July 17 2013 11:46 kholly wrote: I think it is a good time to answer your question now. I heard it from you. Scum. Ooooooooh you were responding to me, yeah my bad, I made a mistake early on, didn't bother clarifying, if you wanna vote me for it be my guest, also why won't you mason me? | ||
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On July 17 2013 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show me where I said no one should mason. I meant you are discouraging people to mason if they are unsure of what to do with PM's. That's dumb. Why are you telling people they don't need to mason anyone if they do not want to? Of course they do, because it helps town. If you are unsure of what to do with your PM's and therefore do not mason, don't listen to slOosh, he should know better. Mason me and i'll tell you what to do. FFS you can ask your mason partner how you should use your PM's, and tell the thread what he said. Be creative and not fall into this dumb "i'm so bad in off-thread comm, i ignore it" bullshit. I will lynch you if you ignore it, because off thread comm helps town more than it helps mafia. It gives the town opportunity to make plans and catch scum in different ways. And don't give that bullshit "what if you mason mafia or are wrong about your read". That'll come clear eventually, or you out your logs and someone else might be able to see it. TLDR; Everyone needs to mason 2 people, not necessarily at the start of the game. If you dont know what to do with PM's, mason me. gumshoe explain to me how you reached your conclusion in the DrH/FirmTofu exchange?[/QUOTE] Meapeak, Ve is right, this quote belongs to Rayne not me, I was of the opinion we should set up chains and I remain of that opinion, though its been adjusted now t hat I realize we get two Pms. Therefore your only reason for not Masoning me is wrong, So in light of that.... Can you mason me? I'd really appreciate the discussion seeing as I know your a solid player. Otherwise you owe me a couple posts | ||
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@Gumshoe: Why are you so active in this game? I am referring to your play in the Nuclear game. You got killed in the lynch of day 3. Because you only cared to post one time over a timespan of 144 hours. I am bitter about that. So your mad at me for playing more townie? I can go ahead and lurk again if you like, I was not as interested in the last game because I was coming off a crushing loss in Basterd mafia, if you want an example of my actual town play read that game, that and I didnt get any nukes, bad of me yes, but not at all a good reason to call me scum. Townie play is townie play. Furthermore we dont need to hear this. I have been staring at this thread for over 3 hours now, 2 hours yesterday and now and hour before typing this, and I have come to the conclusion that I can't bring an extra perspective on a lot of these accusations between people. I understand what I am reading, but I can't analyze it further and give it even more meaning. Like this whole discussion between DH and Tofu, I read everything, even the logs from Rayn, and I can't even get a small feeling in my head/gut if somebody is scum. So I am going to give up on trying to get a gut feeling while reading stuff, I will just read it and move on. And this. Reason: I don't have much to say and I hope he is able to keep me from the lynchtable on Day 1 by making posts that make others look worse than me. Your reads are fine and reads dont need to be 100 correct all the time, the important thing is that you make them so that we can comment or elaborate on them and witness your sincerity. Not posting analysis because you think you wont be helpful is the only truly useless thing you could do. Ve Theres alot I dont like in this post. @SnB My post wasn't useless and spammy. Not a single person has mentioned any of the names I brought up, so saying that's "something we all already knew" is ridiculous. I let the thread know that I'm watching for those names to crop up in particular because of how long they've taken to enter the fray combined with the fact that at least two of the names are known to be good scumhunters (sorry Node). I will say that Node has a tendency to get a case of the fo's in games so his absence is less of a surprise, but I was personally looking forward to playing with him. @Yamato If I found anything worth mentioning, I would have mentioned it. You watch me and call me scum in every game. This game will be no exception. Go away. @Town Scum have no motivation to post because no one is making them post. Everyone is just pointing fingers at people who have posted for dumb reasons. If you were scum, would YOU post at a time like this? 1: I do think his post was useless, no one forgets about afk characters, and there are 6 scum out there so someone at least is active which makes his whole scum dont have to poste argument of his silly, seeing as they clearly feel the need to. 2: Here he trys to character assassinate Yamato based off meta, who I find has done fine this game. It's an easy way to attack town without catching fire. 3: Hes pretty much dismissing town as incompetent... how does this help? What have learned from this post? Pretty much that Ve thinks hes right and that all of town is incompetent/wrong. Oh and his tunnel on Malongo is getting kinda old. But his useless read is not wrong, can someone pm Malongo? See if they can get anything out of him? Cause Im not sure he'll improve his thread performance even if he is town. Question Ve, who else is scum other than Malongo? Also Is Oats posting of your interactions true? If so why have you been so hostile to him if you do find him too dumb to be scum? Don't you think that at the very least you should try and talk with him? Why do you feel the need to play so aggresive as town? Knolly: Welp I have no masons left XD and would appreciate some discussion with anyone who wants to go ahead and pm me. So I talked to knolly, hes kinda crazy, don't think hes scum, why do people think hes Chez? Hes also curios why scum haven't accused him, which is valid, if I were scum I'd probably see him as an easy target, is it because I accused him and they didn't feel comfortable sheeping me? I'll get off him for now. I can post our logs if anyone wants them, but not too much value there yet. ##Unvote Knolly Layabout: I always thought that rolefishing was scummy and that roleclaiming to someone is simply a means to win their trust. Rolefishing after someone has already revealed their role is not rolefishing, I was just asking for elaboration, do you honestly think if I was on scum team no one there would know what a pardoner is? (Its not a brand new role) Or that I'd make such an obviously risky request? As for the role offering your free to think whatever you want, that was supposed to be private and I'm not commenting on it. Also start bieng useful, it's worthless posts like yours wow VE why are you pushing Malongo that start to make me think Ve is town. Vivax: His source is either Tofu(code name hippy) or Dh(code name the doctor), more likely Dh because several people have alluded to him being in pm land and Dh has an existing scum read of Strong, just not a thorough one. Dh has clearly not been transparent with who hes been pming contrary to what he said at the start, perhaps thats the mistake he made to look scummy that Vivax mentioned? As for Vivax himself, I agree with his reads so far ( Sloosh seems kindy iffy for not following up or scum hunting and most of his posts are in defence of himself) and Strong. Vivax has fair reads and hes bringing new info into the thread, reads townie to me. He'll keep it up hopefully, Constable Guido is a dick though, def scum. Oats: Gonna downgrade him to null, hes tangled up in so much pm traffic its and hes so abrasive its hard for me to call him scum. Tofu: We really need to hear about someone other than Dh, what do you think of hapa? Putting my vote on Ve for now, like others have said he just doesnt feel interested at all in contributing and dispite trying to keep count he treats his posts with excpetionally little value. He's not, that's the problem. :/ I really just want to know why no one wants to lynch Malango. Can we just lynch Malango please? And what do you think of Malango's most recent contributions to the scumhunt kush? KHolly has also masoned me and has attempted no conversation whatsoever. It's like he did it just to troll or something. Do with that what you will. You should still /all/ be voting for Malongo. Thats 5 posts wasted in quick succesion that all say pretty much the exact same fucking thing. Not even Oats is this bad, hes clearly just trying to get his agenda across, not make the most of limited posts with diverse scum hunting. Also this Aren't you sick of rolling scum Chez? This post doesnt even have a point or purpose... Even worse this I think in that second quote you attributed one of Rayn's quotes to gumshoe didn't you MZ? Kinda cornfusing because of the quotefail in there, but I think it was Rayn who said that sir. He feels that a small glitch clarification that has nothing to do with anything deserves its own post... Almost as if he values cheap townie points over actual scum hunting. Ve has 14 posts, half of them are pretty much one liners and he hasn't bothered asking for more. ##:Vote VisceraEyes | ||
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On July 18 2013 04:43 layabout wrote: dont be stupid that isn't reasoning. also 14 posts in over 3/4 of the day is fine. I love how you pick out the only sarcastic comment in that entire wall of text and use that as a basis to call me stupid, Also Its not the number of posts, its the content. Hes wasted posts left and right, hes made joke posts and hes made several repetitive fact less posts regarding Malongo. He pretends to treat the limit with value but he really doesn't, and hes the only person who hasn't complained hes running out of posts or asked for more, because he simply doesn't care about making the most of his writing space, or scum hunting, in fact he doesn't care about town at all. Also didn't you think VE was scum? Why the change of heart? If not why are you defending him? Vivax do you think Layabout is scum? | ||
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On July 18 2013 04:58 HiroPro wrote: why is gumshoe voting for viscera in here but actually voting for firmtofu in the voting thread? The posts are at almost the same time. ##Vote slOosh I have no idea either 0_0. Coulda sword I put down Ve. | ||
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On July 18 2013 05:13 HiroPro wrote: like there doesn't seem to be any sort of coherence in his opinion on viscera. The "makes me think Ve is town"was sarcasm, sorry your tone deaf, My reasonings for suspecting Ve are as follows: He is aggressive towards townies not based off scummynies but stupidity and incompetence, which reads as scum trying to throw off townies without taking heat, I also think he makes a show of valuing his posts, but in practice he really doesn't, his last 6 or 7 have all been wastes, as for the tofu vote that was a mistake, I make them, my bads. Even if it wasn't why? how would accidentally voting Tofu benefit me hours away from lynch as scum? Whats the bloody motive besides blunder? Dont waste a post answering that because there is no motive. Also your not even calling me scum here, just devaluing my opinion by calling me incoherent and hoping Rayne builds off your shitflinging. Going to save my next two posts till near lynch. I'm down for lynching Sloosh, Ve, or strong and bad(pretty much sheeping Vivax and mystery dudes case in that regard) lynching one of these individuals as opposed to someone like layabout will yield alot more info, seeing as they've been central to the days discussion, which is why I'm not going to vote outside these three unless a really good case is made. Lastly I'm out of pms, and Knolly really isnt that interesting conversation T_T would really appreciate a mason buddy, or at least a few extra posts. | ||
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On July 18 2013 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hmm you might be right. All of gumshoe's scumreads seem to be based on "they are wasting their posts". I could understand that could be the behaviour a townie is looking for to find scum, but that's not what you should look for. It's also weird that he masoned kholly. gumshoe why did you mason kholly? Sigh, down to my last post. Knolly accused me of only having one pm or scum of only having one pm in general based on a mistake I made earlier. So I pmed him hoping he would lie to town and tell them that I didnt, thereby simplifying todays lynch, or that he would drop his case on me and I could get a better read on him seeing as he was my earliest scum read. It was a rough call but I had to put the whole one pm thing to rest or scum would've ran with it. Also I'm going into this game assuming town values theyre posts more than scum, scum are trying to burn posts on useless discussion, this is not the only reason I've attacked people, but it is a major thing I'm looking out for. | ||
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Original Message From kholly: Knolly:Hello gumshoe, : This is Unizehc speaking. I was under the impression that your teammates could translate Chezinu's cryptic messages. You have survived the troll test because you are still speaking to me. Most mafia members would ignore the trollish. So, let us get down to serious business. I will speak as if American English is my native tongue. What do you think about VE? Why do you think there is a bandwagon forming against him? Why is there so much resistance to lynching Dr.H? Why does mafia want kholly to live? Original Message From gumshoe: Is english not your native tongue? maybe we can use google translate to talk, whats your first language? 1: No one can translate Chez's posting because he doesn't want to be understood, he plays to have fun and having fun for him is about sowing chaos and disorder, hes an anti town fixture even when hes town. 2: I think people are picking and choosing which shallow argument they want to attack based off agenda or preference. Yes Ve is wishy washy but so is Sloosh or Firm Tofu or Malongo, I think mafia are trying to throw the thread in as many directions as possible, taking advantage of what will remain an undeveloped thread (because of the posting limit). This day 1 is exceptionally hard for us, I'm sure at least one person on the Ve wagon or Sloosh wagon is scum but no more than that. They wont act as a cohesive group so early on. Rather watch out for the people who bandwagon new accusations. 3: I think theres alot of resistance to Dh because he reads town to alot of people based off his posting, me included, the stuff with oats and him pming one another is fishy though. I dont think scum are actively pushing or defending one target. 4: What makes you think mafia wants you alive? Who do you think is mafia? 5: What do you think of Koshi and Hapahauli? Knolly :No one is lynching me besides you for one. Have you seen my list? Koshi,,, koshi....kosh..eee.... Yeah, I'll read the thread later. ---------------------------------------------- Original Message From gumshoe: how do you feel about strong and big? Knoly: He is very generous to Dr. Evil... ------------------------------------ Gumshoe:Hey, let's talk. What did you mean earlier about traps? Why did you feel the need to mention the possibility of you bieng traitor? How do you feel about OAts and Mon? Knolly Do you still think I'm scum? Why? Who do you wanna lynch if not me? Who else are you pming if anyone? YAY!!! SOMEONE TO TALK TOO!!!! YOU THE BESTEST FRIEND EVER!!! What did you mean earlier about traps? The more the mafia knows the more they can coordinate. I have tons of exp in this PM games. We Gotz to keep them in the dark Why did you feel the need to mention the possibility of you bieng traitor? I no did that. How do you feel about OAts and Mon? Oats - he wants to live and not be perceived as scum no matter the alignment. If scum, he would bus teammates. Well, I called him out on it... so that could counteract... or he can call me crazy. . . cause you know... I'm so so crazy. Mon? who's that? Monday? Monster? Do you still think I'm scum? Why? Who do you wanna lynch if not me? Who else are you pming if anyone? You see, I was getting lonely and just wanted someone to talk too. Cause you know, scummy people are fun. BUT YOU KNOW, trying to get yourself lynched is a hard thing to do. Btw, you did a townie thing by pming me. As I said earlier, I'm talking to town (not sure how you read the word traitor here -- was obv referring to who I was pming. I feel like the people I have talked to are town. So what's going on in PM LAND?!?!?!?! PS: YOU KNOWS ME CAUSE AUSTIN KNOWS SHHHHHHH TROLOLOLOLOLOL THIS IS R NNOTT FAKE PMs!!!! ------------------------------------------------- Knolly: Are you mafia? Who do you think I am? Reading Time with kholly Hello ladies and gentlemen. To counteract the post limit, I will try to address the whole thread in one post. On July 16 2013 12:35 kushm4sta wrote: sup sup On July 16 2013 12:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi guys! I'm going to be keeping a running tally of my posts to try and remind myself that I can't spam in this game as I'm wont to do. Feel free to PM me though, because though the mods can remove my ability to spam the thread, they cannot remove my desire to allow my thoughts on players and their motives to freeflow...though with as many superior scumhunters as are in this game, I wouldn't be surprised or offended if you don't. Just throwing that out there. I will say that I think most players should hold back at least one of their mason choices for past D1. The threat of masoning scum is always there, plus if you just start masoning strong scumhunters you run the risk of them eating it N1. It's probably just best practice to mason people you trust, and though you might think that goes without saying people play this game in a really weird way sometimes. Freely I will feel in Pming you my dear fear and humble master. I am more than a mere ghost now for I have the power of possession. I allow my thoughts on players too, like this one. I being not most players, will not hold back. Masoning scum? Challenge accepted. On Ju What are we looking for? Odd player choices. PMs are our chance to put direct pressure on people we have suspicions of without going over our post limits. If someone is trying to influence your opinions/manipulate you via PM you need to call them out in thread. If someone uses PMs to buddy to you by telling you they have complete trust that you are town, that's a red alarm. I don't see why town needs to have a PM line with another townie like that. I think discussing the PM dynamics and any plans/thoughts regarding it is a good starting off point for this game. ALSO - Look out for those who waste their post limits on empty posts/spam then make an excuse later. For example - "I had some good points to make yesterday but I went over post limit before I wrote my case and....."ly 16 2013 12:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It's important that people are transparent about who they choose to PM. If you aren't, you better have a damn good reason not to. The only good reason for being secretive is that it would somehow reveal yourself as a blue or is necessary for your plans to catch scum. Why are you looking for odd player choices? Are you saying making friends in the bestest PM Land mafia sprouts red? Don't worry, I'm am watching people like you waste their posts. Why you no follow you own advice? Good thing you never said that and only asked for more posts On July 16 2013 12:49 kushm4sta wrote: haha wow you two's posts were just about as useless as mine. Why would you tell scum how not to play... hehe, you funny On July 16 2013 12:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You should explain why its a trap then. I disagree, at least I'm getting the ball rolling. The post limit and pm system are unique about this game, its a better way of digging at people's attitudes than random ads lurker votes. Them mafia is getting in on our privacy! They want to know when we are sleeping and when we are hunting. They want to spread thems lies! On July 16 2013 13:05 FirmTofu wrote: FirmTofu's MegaKickstarting Post: Hey y'all! I know I've been waiting for this game for a long time and I'm sure you all have as well. This game is somewhat non-standard, so there are a few things I'd like to address before we get started. Show nested quote + Because this setup is closed, we have to make sure we do not make any unnecessary assumptions that center around speculation about the roles. Speculation is largely a waste of time given the amount of information provided in the OP, so we should stick to the basics. Additionally, we definitely should not be directing blue roles that we aren't even sure exist. Big Plays: If you think of some mastermind play that you think will fool mafia and confuse them, please don't use it. As brilliant as your plan may be, a closed setup has too many variables to account for and your plan could potentially confuse the town more than the mafia. Lying: If you are town, DO NOT lie. If all of town follows this rule, we can separate town and mafia into two distinct categories, liars and non-liars, respectively. We can lynch liars without fear of them flipping town AS LONG AS every town member strictly adheres to this rule. The Traitor: Show nested quote + 5 mafia, 1 traitor. Anyone up for some math? 5/24=0.20833333333 (5+1)/24=0.25 The one traitor adds about 4% to the strength of the team. As the game progresses, the denominator gets lower. Assuming we don't get insanely lucky, the percentage of mafia will increase over time. The influence of the traitor will start to compound and he will become a greater threat. We obviously need to keep an eye out for the traitor, but specifically hunting for him in the early days will be a waste of resources, in my opinion. How to catch the traitor! The traitor might get antsy and try to drop a few hints for mafia to pick up (to try and join them). We need to stay vigilant to find these subtle hints and make sure we call them out as soon as we see them. PMs: I'm thinking that we should choose our best town reads as PM targets. I'm somewhat unfamiliar with this mechanic, so if a more experienced player can give his thoughts about it, that would be great. This goes without saying, but remember to choose your pm targets wisely! This means NOT wasting both of your choices on Day 1 based on weak reads. Post Count Limit: We have a moderately strict 20 post limit during day. This means absolutely NO one-liner posts. Try to make longer posts that include multiple quotes. Respond to multiple points simultaneously. If you want to give your reads, do it all in one post. We need people to also save posts to ensure they can respond to accusations should they be accused. Plan ahead. Most of this stuff should be obvious, so I'm not going to beat a dead horse. Alright, that's all I've got for now. Let's have a good, clean game. GL HF! This guy is right. If you speculate, you could be the crazy conspiracy nut like me. Yeah, let's not lie. It hurts the town. Spot the traitor is fun. If your bad enough, mafia might think your the traitor. On July 16 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote: VE is scum, and Im town. Game too ez. In other news, Firmtofu pre typed that and its not alignment indicative. Pming people isnt a big deal and should be claimed, but honestly, if you dont mason a strong town read, you be bad or scum. How does that make me bad? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyone get anything out of this? Just seems ridicules to me. I cant imagine someone just sitting at a computer compiling quotes and planting subtle crazy messages for half an hour just to troll one person as scum... Knolly not my first scum pick anymore but if anyone thinks this indicative of scum I can get behind his lynch. ##Unvote | ||
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On July 18 2013 08:04 HiroPro wrote: It's just a number. It doesn't mean anything. I could have just done "^ mafia", but people didn't like it the last time I did that Vivax, I don't think you understand how ace plays when he doesn't have time. He acts like an ass, plain and simple. There's nothing good about his posting but it doesn't make him mafia (see games like igrok's good clean old fashioned as an example). He just replaced in and has another game, I'm willing to give him some time. Welp Ace is all ours now, he just got blasted out of nuclear so hopefully he steps up. Having thought about it I'd rather not kill chez, as cryptic as it was I actually felt he was trying to communicate something to me through his posting, compare what I put down to his "oh father whhhhhy" posting in nuclear... and he admitted that he was Chez... Just meh on his lynch. Why is no one mentioning a Strong and big Lynch? Hes lurking hard, hasn't done much to improve his posting and the accusation against him just sort of dropped off the radar, it wasn't assuaged. Oats as well is kinda laying low, I think I could settle with lynching one of those two, gonna have to reneg on Sloosh and Ve for the day vig reason and Sloosh has stepped it up in my opinion. I feel comfterble with my vote here. ##Vote:Strongandbig VE, why aren't you shooting? Your a prime target tonight if you dont, and you clear up todays lynch if you do. | ||
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On July 18 2013 11:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm holding out to see is sandroba appears and I want to hold a mason in reserve. You're first one the list if he doesn't show up bbz. I'm holding you to that, also what do you think of knolls ninja vote off you? If it wasn't for him your be dead right now instead if ve. | ||
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On July 19 2013 00:34 Ace wrote: somebody should probably go look at how those votes moved around. I did, towards the end Layabout and a few other people came to the conclusion that Ve would resolve himself, (btw this is the reason we didn't want to lynch Ve, whereas Rayne claim is harder to prove, Ve would be able to reveal his role in a day, thats why lynching him was a terrible idea. I just wish these people would stop defending themselves about it, if theyre town it makes them look shitty, just admit it was a mistake and move on, Ve's lynch was not justified.) We switched onto Meatpak who had been a crappy lurker up till then, and still hasn't contributed anything (and still hasn't masoned meeeeee) we actually were almost set to lynch him, and would have if three minutes before vote KNOLLY hadn't ninja switched back onto Ve. Final vote was Ve six with Knolly, Meatpak 5 without Knolly, had Knoly stayed on meatpak woulda been 6 meat 5 ve. I pmed Knolly early to disprove a stupid theory of his (that scum only get 1 mason, it was distracting that he kept pushing that based on a mistake I made early on) I've been talking to him all game long, trying to get something useful out of him, when I pushed him on ninja voting this was his reason. Gumshoe: What the fuck was that ninja vote, we almost saved ve, why did you take your vote of meapak!? Knolly: He wasn't talking to me in PMs ..... He also didnt bother gracing thread with his reasons for switching. Then he messages me this. On July 18 2013 12:26 FirmTofu wrote: Well, it looks like VE killed himself from where I'm standing. I have no idea why he voted for MZ at the last second, sealing his own fate. Knolly: Doesnt this make you laugh? As if what Tofu wrote was scummier then ninja voting onto a confirmable townie off a useless lurker... Alot of people have glanced over Knolly cause hes too bad to be scum, which I may actually agree with, cause I dont think hes scum, I think hes traitor trying to get scums attention. There was this early on that bugged me What do you think about the concept that scum can only mason 1 person as opposed to town being about to mason two? Oh and don't worry, I'm talking to town. Why even bother mentioning that you might be trying to send a message to scum? Why is traitor on your mind enough for you to feel the need to clarify? I pressed him a bit about it early on but he didnt really reveal much. Later he brought it up of his own accord in pm land. I have some time to play now. This game looks like it is falling apart. We have people who are completely inactive, people fight with vulgar language, the host has posted warnings about cheating, and no mods looking at player's post counts. Too much spam. By now the mafia knows that I am not the traitor. In fact, they are really mad right now. I really want to be able to play in a peaceful game. So, I am writing to you to let you know that I am town. I have also cleansed myself of the trollism in hopes that I can reduce the chaos within the thread. Reply When I questioned him on why he thought scum believed he was traitor, he didnt answer me for a while. Heres our following exchange up until says something really wierd Gumshoe: Ok O-O but how do I put this... The very way you talk is trollish so it's going to be hard for you fight fire with fire. You gotta build a case against someone, preferably someone you find scummy whose not being bandwagonened right now cause this ve lynch is retarded. Maybe take a look at layabout or elaborate on s @b, the problem is town doesn't understand where you stand on a lot of stuff, educate them. Also if you want you can send me your posts before hand and I can try and edit them, only if you want me to though Why do you think mafia suspected you of being traitor? Did they pm or try and contact you? Or use an ability on you? Furthermore Dh,s cheating is awesome, it makes him clearly look like town. And town isn't falling apart, this Is just how day 1 usually goes. Knolly: oh ok, I am unexperienced in writing cases. I have never done this before. What do you think about slOosh? Gumshoe: Toward lynch he got a lot more reasonable, I would provide some stuff but I'm typing on a phone, before that I think people blew what he said out of proportion(regarding not pming) his next few posts were in defence of himself which is null, then he lurked a bit and started being useful toward lynch. So to be brutally h nest I rate him at about the same level as you ) : I do need to go back and nab what it was that I found townie about his posting late in the day, he just came off as if he was trying to focus town at a time of chaos, and he was doing a good job of it from what I remember. Answer my question, why do you think scum thought you were traitor? Have they pmed you? And why did you mention chez earlier, are you really in no way related to him XD your posting is somewhat similar. Gumshoe: What the fuck was that ninja vote, we almost saved ve, why did you take your vote of meapak!? Knolly: He wasn't talking to me in PMs Gumshoe: Goddamit knolls, you make it so hard to love you T-T do you realize how scummy that'll look if ve flips town!? If your town you just ensured two mis lynches. Now can you answer my questions XD Knolly: f5f5f5f5f5f5f5 Gumshoe: What did we agree upon about trolling Knolly: They did not contact me. Gumshoe: Thank you, so why did you think they were angry about you not being traitor? Was your intent to breadcrumb? Are you sure your not Chez XD what's your plan of defence if ve flips town and your actually not scum? Knolly: Well, I know your mafia like 100%. So, I could strike a deal with you right? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- After that I asked him if he just admitted to bieng traitor, I didn't know what else to say XD he said he only admitted to me bieng scum.... But that posts clearly doesn't sound like an accusation. This also makes this early qoute make a bit more sense. Did gumshoe recruit you as traitor? This was directed at Rayne, it was a crazy accusation at the time. But if Knolly is traitor and actually suspected me of being scum, and pushed me into pming him in hopes of recruitment, suddenly alot of his terrible actions make sense. He was trying to drop hints at me... his scum read. In regards to Korynne. I spent an early mason on Rayne, he got blocked, still is, I spent my other mason on Knolls to prove a point and get a read on him, but thats gone as far as it'll go. I effectively have no mason buddy right now. I am likely the only townie in this position. 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On July 18 2013 12:26 FirmTofu wrote: Well, it looks like VE killed himself from where I'm standing. I have no idea why he voted for MZ at the last second, sealing his own fate. Wow, so much bad in so few words. 1: I think the lurker policy lynch is always a good one to consider. Although they may not necessarily be the best lynch, they do serve the purpose of setting up the lategame well. We don't want our endgame to suffer from inactivity and these types of lynches should prevent that Hmm that sounds like a good point, wonder who said that, yeah that was you. And what was Meatpak if not a scummy lurker? He fit your initial preference, whats so scummy about Ve voting for him? Why didnt you consdider doing likewise, you were clearly around during the final hour seeing as you promptly made this jewel of a post. 2: A townie only knows for sure that he is a townie, it is his duty to make sure that he does not get lynched, Meatpak was a viable lynch and would have happened if not for Knolly, are you telling me that if you were in that exact same spot and another likely lynched popped up you would not vote to save yourself? 3: Why are you trying to justify a bad lynch? It happened, it was party your fault yes, but the point is to acknowledge the mistake and see what it means, instead you spend a precious post insulting Ve and defending your own retarded stance. 4: How many times do we need to say this? Ve could have confirmed himself, why would townies feel the need to vote for him right away? Grrrrr scum post detected. Also thanks Marv your the best ( : I don't really need a mason from anyone else anymore. | ||
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On July 19 2013 03:10 Korynne wrote: @gumshoe Why were you so adamant on people masoning you? I mean obviously you think you are town, but it seems a little much to expect people to just trust you? Repeated for people who are confused about VE's voting Yeah so VE got himself killed, which makes zero sense, so I assume he didn't see kholly's vote change. So in the perspective of both players: VE - 5, 6, 5 -> 5, 5, 6 which makes sense, he voted for MZ over Sloosh, he wanted to change his vote and influence the lynch kholly - 5, 6, 5 -> 6, 6, 4 which is a tie... whatever that means for the game. He MAYBE could have known VE was going to switch after since they are in mason contact, but that seems really unlikely we're talking like 5min total here. So he made it a tie between VE and Sloosh, so he doesn't want Sloosh to get lynched? I mean, you /could/ prove your claim, at the cost of delaying a lynch. And you also agree that it's bad for the pardon to be used... sooo no not really you can't prove it. No I didn't read it, the logs were too long and there were too many things to catch up on. >_> Read it now, but honestly you seem to be throwing a million roles out there as your assumptions. You think if you didn't make this much commotion mafia would just randomly role-check you? Oh and you think mafia have a pardoner... If you were mafia, AND there's a mafia pardoner (I'm not convinced that's a thing you seem to think there's one of every role or something) I don't think you're the pardoner. A role claim as a mafia only proves that someone on the mafia has that role, not that you personally do. And taking this much heat as a plain mafia goony I think is perfectly fine for the potential benefits of being super green/blue. You claimed the most undiscussable role, don't think there's much unnecessary attention on that. Also if you're going with scum doesn't like unnecessary attention then hey, if anyone is scum they should just get in giant fights in town. Good tip rayn. What's wrong with sharing claims with Oats? Like you said, if he can find out in other channels, then you're just further greening yourself, not really actually contributing. I'm still a little worried about your actions. It's one thing to be like yeah okay I'm cocky I say things for certain when I don't mean them, it's another thing to go INSTA-READ GREEN GG we're now bffs Oats. As a side note, you claiming all this expertise in PM land makes me want to mason you way more than gumshoe who is over there like LOOK AT ME GUYS MASON ME. Oh no, you're so good at PM style games and then make such a huge slip on gumshoe? Do you usually just get all omg let's post everything in the thread especially if you think the people you are talking to are town? Interesting, you claim to be capable of playing this well as mafia. But you wouldn't do it because you wouldn't do stupid things. I find your actions more stupid from a town perspective than a mafia perspective, for what that's worth. Especially given your slip up with gum. @layabout You going to post that analysis now? Don't make promises you don't plan on keeping if you're town... Someone might not have looked closely at Vivax because you said you were going to do it. Also up to now you still haven't given your read on Vivax, you think Vivax is scum or not? That analysis would be a good start to you posting stuff that's actually useful. Re:Ace Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Ace is probably town idiot. Doesn't matter if he plays this blatantly enough noobies eventually start a bandwagon because they get provoked. I would strongly suggest keeping Ace around and not lynching him anytime soon. I dont give a shit about your mason anymore, I got one. I wanted a mason because the first was fucking blocked you dumbass, the second was on scum/traitor, therefore I am/was the only townie in this position, which is significant in a game with limited posts, if you dont agree with me who the fuck cares, your job is to find scum, not critique town with your limited posts. Also asking someone to mason me isn't asking for trust, just a mason. You clearly agree because you wanted to mason Rayne, your number one scum read as far as I could tell. Also I kept asking for masons because I wasnt getting any, and I had things to say that I didn't feel comfortable throwing at thread yet. I am no longer asking for masons now that I got one, so I'm clearly not a mason whore looking to be the spider in the center of town discussion, nor did I ever express a desire to be one. And what do you mean by "you clearly think your town"? Of course I think I'm fucking town, what kind of a statement is that? I've explained myself sufficiently yet you dont seem to care, as scum or town you are the worst kind of player, I can stand someone who calls me scum, but not someone who dances around the thought and pretty much extrapolates my being incompetent from a single thing that they personally didn't like or found distasteful. I will always view character assassination as scummy, and thats exactly what your doing for no good reason. You clearly have no case against me aside from "I dont like this guy who has no mason buddies asking for masons, also Rayne is scum so hes probs scum too" so why do you feel the need to alienate me or to weaken my position based off personal taste? Do you think all my reads are wrong? If not then what? Why waste precious post space on this? Also your overcomplicating the Ve lynch, Knolly tried to abandon the wagon when it was pretty much set in stone to distance himself from the ve lynch, then as the meatpak lynch gained momentum he switched back three minutes before the vote, he did this either as traitor or scum, more likely traitor, end of story. It likely has nothing to do with Sloosh. If your scum would you let Day vig survive? I've played with Rayne twice, right out the gate in nuclear he called me guaranteed townie, got flak for it, turned out later we were both townie, Rayne plays balls to the walls, his actions this game fit his meta. Also in regard to the block Rayne had just used his pm logs to incriminate 2 players, masoning posed no threat to him whatsoever, it was helping him in fact at the time that he got blocked. Also as for the slipup, why would he purposely incure my wrath if he and scum already knew I had a role? Unless you think were both scum, in which case I have nothing to say to you, you clearly havent read the whole thread and enjoy making conspiracy theories more than helping town, your probably hoping for a flame war now but I'm not gonna give it to you. I'm getting out all my disdain for you right now so I can focus on a knolly, S@B or Tofu lynch. The next time you want me to respond to some idiotic far fetched idea of yours you owe me a post first. If you want to be useful answer me this, What do you think of S@B and his post flip distinction of those who voted because of Ve's claim and those who voted in spite of it (him being in this second category which is supposedly less bad according to him) Other wise give your posts to somebody who actually knows whats going on, cause you clearly dont. | ||
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On July 19 2013 03:42 FirmTofu wrote: 1) I would have gladly voted Meapak had I known that he was the person with the nighest votes at the time. I thought slOosh was the highest vote count other than VE, so in order to save VE, I voted slOosh. I was also on my phone at the time so it was hard to count up the votes. 2) I have no idea what you are talking about. Please check the vote counts. If VE had voted slOosh, slOosh would have died instead of VE. My statement was just pointing this out. 3) Where am I justifying the bad lynch? I condemn the VE lynch fully and I think we should take a close look at anyone who voted him. 4) That is exactly my opinion. I think you are misinterpreting my position on the whole issue. I was one of the townies who tried to SAVE VE. I voted slOosh, who had the second highest votes at the time. I am going to run through a detailed voting analysis similar to what I did in NWM. I will post it soon. I would like to get people's thoughts on whether I should post a complete list of all my reads. Does anyone think I would be a likely target for scum to kill tonight? I apologize, I took that post on it's own merit and I completely misrepresented what you said and meant, you are right about Ve not voting Sloosh, perhaps he thought he was town, and he wanted to lynch a useless meapak who continues to be useless, that lynch almost happened in fact. So it's not really Ve's fault, had the train on Meapak remained secure it wouldve basically been a fine alternative to Sloosh. But I digress, sorry ) : would it be totally wierd if you and DH are town? ' Also what do you think of Knolly? And no, your not going to die tonight. Also Ace, you said you were going to investigate... thats a role claim... | ||
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On July 19 2013 04:01 Korynne wrote: Alright I'll mason you tomorrow if you're alive rayn. If not I'll mason you Helvetica. If only for old times sake and because you're lonely. =P Your last paragraph on rayn makes sense to me Helvetica. I'm personally not sold on this whole mafia volunteering as little information as possible thing, because that seems like an easy trade. Unverifiable information/information town could reasonably get anyways doesn't cross someone off as scum on my list. I mean Rayn could tell his mafia buddy FT et al. to accuse you instead. But at this point I've basically resigned to Rayn is not /that/ good as why he is town. >_> Grrrrr you flip floppy flipping rabbit cake. What I wrote earlier may have been a bit harsh, but please for the love of Palmer stop calling people who you think are townie bad, you damage him and yourself when you do so and you risk more worthless posts. Also do you think I'm scum now because I was mean to you? Also Ace It's like you're my mirror My mirror staring back at me I couldn't get any bigger With anyone else beside of me And now it's clear as this promise That we're making two reflections into one 'Cause it's like you're my mirror My mirror staring back at me, staring back at me Is this your objective? Do you have to perform 1 boy band song every night for 7 nights? When your done do you just leave the game or does cthulu get summoned from the depths of relyh or something? | ||
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On July 19 2013 04:20 Ace wrote: Justin Timberlake is a solo artist now, not part of a boy band anymore Who cares. Also you didn't answer my question, should or should we not be worried about you becoming an sk cthulu that cannot be shot or lynched and can carry a semi decent tune (looked up the song, it was pretty meh) (sorry for post wastage. I've said everything I pretty much wanted to say : P ill save 2 just in case) | ||
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On July 19 2013 05:48 Korynne wrote: I'm totally listening to that song right now because of you Ace, thanks. Also wtf yeah gumshoe why were you so harsh? o-O I was merely asking why you were pushing for people to specifically mason you when they didn't know who to mason, instead of their most town read for example. I have no idea why you would react that harshly towards me because of such a simple question. >_<;; Also I never said Rayn was my scummiest read. I just found his play very weird and wanted to get a better understanding of why he did certain actions because I would not have done so in his position if I was town. Also please don't be a hypocrite. Telling me that calling townies bad (I said he was either really good scum or a bad townie) when you literally say "as scum or town you are the worst kind of player" and you're the one saying "pretty much extrapolates my being incompetent from a single thing that they personally didn't like or found distasteful." I never said you're incompetent or even remotely hinted at it, I merely asked you a question. No I don't have a case against you, I was never trying to make one. Why the hell are you putting quotes around something I never /ever/ said?? I NEVER said I didn't like you, I NEVER said you had no mason buddies. What the fuck. I never wasted space posting this, I spend 2 lines asking you a question, and now you flipped your shit at me... What I'm saying with the VE lynch was that 1. VE did not try to kill himself (duh) he was just picking MZ over Sloosh, 2. knolly probably didn't know that VE changed his vote that late (I didn't see your post when I posted mine and even refreshed after) so I don't think it was to kill VE. Last minute votes are always going to be heavily scrutinized and that's about the stupidest way you could try to kill day vigi as scum. (Personally I'd probably just AFK after the claim so I didn't have to change my vote from VE, or after enough momentum builds on MZ come in and say oh no guys we can't lynch VE #unvote) Again I don't know why you have so much disdain for me for the 2 lines of text I wrote, as a question, directed to you. D: There's no reason for this kind of language "want me to respond to some idiotic far fetched idea of yours" and assume all this shit when I was just asking a question. Holy shit. "Other wise give your posts to somebody who actually knows whats going on, cause you clearly dont." "but please for the love of Palmer stop calling people who you think are townie bad, you damage him and yourself when you do so and you risk more worthless posts." Are you fucking serious gumshoe? I would like an apology for your hypocritical ass. And yes, this post is mostly fluff and directed at gumshoe because I am slightly emotionally distraught at this shit. It's been a while since I've played mafia, I come back and some guy calls me completely fucking useless from 3 posts and a question I directed at him. I'm not going to use up 10 posts tonight, so yes I am going to use 10% of my posts to talk to you gumshoe because as a human being you have upset me. >_> I DIDNT LIKE YOUR TONE. but your right, I was a bit harsh ) : even if your scum, that wasn't nice. I sincerely apologize to you, as one human being to another. Your not useless or a character assassin ) : | ||
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sorry again you had to be on the receiving end of that bit of ugliness. Also not gonna lie, I can be wasteful right about now cause theres literally no reason we shouldn't lynch Knolly tommorow, he still hasnt come in and adressed what I've said so far. One post left, I'll save it in case I crack the entire case wide open or something | ||
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On July 19 2013 08:57 Vivax wrote: Sup newbs. I'm just posting to tell you that you all suck. You are simply bad. You should look for another game to play cause you keep wasting my time with your decisions. Open your eyes, S & B is scum. Also, marv is scum. And there are a lot of people who didn't post shit and went ignored. Ace openly mocks us with his play, and posts justin timberlake shit. Trust helps in rare occasions, alright? Ok I, was gonna save this post but the nights almost over anyway. First in regards to Korynne, hugs accepted ( : I realize now that you were subbing in for someone... Dont know why that didnt click before and I can see now that you were just trying to find a fresh take on the game, it was cruel and short sited of me to fault you for that. That said I am now going to have to pick a bone with someone else I consider town. Vivax, it's not that were blind or we dont care, it's just that we can only lynch one person at a time, and while S @ B is super likely scum(I believe as much and have expressed that bilief in thread and pms as of recent), Knolly is pretty much guaranteed. His ninja vote is the main reason why Ve is dead. He has contributed nothing. He said this to me. Well, I know your mafia like 100%. So, I could strike a deal with you right? Oh and hes probably scum/traitor Chez, and we can always do with a little less scum/traitor Chez. That said I havent dropped Strong@B, I'm just going for the sure shot. Oh and one more thing Vivax. Really? Like Really? Seriously? For realzees???!!!!!! Your gonna tunnel Marv AGAIN. What are your reasons XD Oh in regards to Tofu, Tofu have you considered maybe that neither Meapak or Sloosh was scum, and the goal in starting a new wagon was to make sure day vig died? Isn't that just as likely? I mean by killing Sloosh yeah they get a mislynch if hes town but if Ve is what he claims (which they would have no reason to doubt) he would probably considered way more valuable and would be more likely to be protected at night, making that lynch the only chance to get him. I'm not saying your wrong, just that it's not the only possibility and if its not I aint willing to risk a mislynch. My vote still sticks to Knolly. Last couple things, did we forget to say First blood when Ve died? And has anyone else been humming gangnam style but replacing gangnam with sicilian mafia while reading the thread. It sounds something like this. Scicilian mafia style eeeeeeeeeeh scicilian laaaaady vop, vop vop vop, scicilian mafia style!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And thats all for night posts. If someone wants to know something from me they'll have to pay up : P | ||
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Also Chez turned out to be town, but he really didnt make things easy on me XD In regards to Koyrne, nice high ground aproach XD threw me off of a pretty clear scum read. Also Marv, why ya gotta play so mad ) : Final note, wtf, the one game where we dont policy lynch Vayne day 1 and hes scum? Lame. | ||
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On August 03 2013 23:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Chezinu was obviously town, his play was hilarious when he put all his green reads as red and faked a cop that way. I laughed my ass of when discussing this with Koshi in the game. :D EDIT: tbh i don´t think i would have ever figured out vayne. wp dude. 0_0 explain. | ||
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