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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 07 2013 18:59 GMT
#821
On June 08 2013 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im pretty much confirmed town after rayne flipped red, anyone pushing on me reminds me of goodkarma from the les mis game, except im goodkarma this game.


If you feel that you are confirmed town, why were you running around like your head was cut off last night referencing non-existent vig shots?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
June 07 2013 19:01 GMT
#822
On June 08 2013 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im pretty much confirmed town after rayne flipped red, anyone pushing on me reminds me of goodkarma from the les mis game, except im goodkarma this game.


What? You were one of the few defending rayn. You were desperately trying to get fuba lynched until the very end. If you're confirmed anything it's scum.

Eduardo Nbobo would be a powerful role if he lived. It would make sense to defend rayn.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 07 2013 19:02 GMT
#823
If Ace doesn't start posting, I'm canceling the NBA finals. Don't test me! (Me and Stern former scum buddies),
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 07 2013 19:02 GMT
#824
On June 08 2013 03:59 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im pretty much confirmed town after rayne flipped red, anyone pushing on me reminds me of goodkarma from the les mis game, except im goodkarma this game.


If you feel that you are confirmed town, why were you running around like your head was cut off last night referencing non-existent vig shots?


because ive never had a read been so wrong before so it was upsetting. I'm trying to play through it now.

I come in for the scraps
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 07 2013 19:04 GMT
#825
Talking to Sent WoS.
calm down
No gg, No skill.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 07 2013 19:05 GMT
#826
On June 08 2013 00:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
prp:
Show nested quote +
OK PRP time.

Reading through his filter, I find that I read that its townie. Ok.
Prp is town.
Why?
Generally because he brought up Rayn as a lynch target earlier, and although he switched off of rayn, he explained it in a townlike way that was similar to what I thought.
Whoop.


Sent:
His vote on WoS with this explanation:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 11:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I had problems with his lurker policy lynching (goes against my best interests, I lurk with pride) as well as asking people whether his play was scummy or not.

His reply was this:

Town motivation was literally asking questions of people to try and divine their alignment. Knowing how both JJD and Vayne played scum last game, I was curious if their answers towards my questions would help me figure out anything about the way they would be playing this game. If you choose to ignore this point then that's your prerogative. As far as new things brought, I brought plenty of new things to the table, including the suspicion and discussion towards me. Any discussion is good discussion on D1 even if the subject is somewhat misguided; it will allow people to get reads of me, with which I am fine. I consider my own townplay perfectly good and accomplishing exactly what I have set out to do, whilst being completely transparent in my thought processes in the meantime.


Basically he's saying that by accusing him it stirs up discussion. But why? If attention is on him, as town it's crappy play because it distracts others from finding scum, and as scum he can WIFOM his way to finding a different lynch target.

I don't think perfectly good townplay involves painting yourself red to see who comes out of the woodwork.

See, his first point about lurker lynching is totally null.
Second point which I bolded.
WoS is saying that through his play, he has drawn flak and votes and controversy, like accidentally or at the very least, not intentioonally. Sent is saying that WoS INTENTIONALLY does this. The thing is, the correct conclusion to draw from Sent's analysis, is that WoS is town. It makes zero sense for mafia to come out early day 1 and get a wagon started on himself, when its very possible that it continues to lynch. And even if it doesnt, you arent really in a strong position going into day 2 either.

So bad conclusions and bad vote. Like objectively bad. Sent is not bad.
And then he votes for me and NEVER EXPLAINS in the slightest. At all. In a time where I was drawing some fire for my Ace push. after that, Rayn looks like he is gonna die, oh no better switch votes without looking scummy, so he explains his non voting beforehand. Why does he need to explain that if he says later that he is 'sure' that Rayn is gonna flip scum? Why is he thinking about survival and not lynching scum?

Layabout:
First off, a vote for Jay cause he 'dislikes' his attitude, and not cause he thinks in any remote way that his attitude makes him scum. So scummy from the get go.
Show nested quote +
I don't see anybody that looks worse.

This quote is golden. You know who cares about appearances? Scum. Town dont, town wanna lynch scum. But could just be word choice, I personally dont think so.
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 21:04 layabout wrote:
Currently the most active player in this dead game is set to be lynched. This is not good. Not good at all.

This is the only thing he says about the WoS lynch, or the game at all outside Jay until rayn asks him. I dont think that rayn asking him a somewhat softball question which layabout responds with his longest post so far.
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 21:51 layabout wrote:
On June 05 2013 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Layabout you want to lynch jay for his attitude? Is there anything else? Do you think the most active player atm (WoS) cannot be mafia? The point is to lynch scum, not people you dont like.

What do you think of what i brought up against WoS?

Also what do you think about Ace/zeph atm?

jay has gone from empty posts to omgus. That isn't how i would expect a town play to play, especially when the pressure jay was under was so low. He should not be so worried about 2 votes and the everyone that votes for me is scum argument is crappy.

WaveOfShadow
In every game i can recall the hypersupermegaactive players are always town, even in games where somebody like bh is scum and posts a ton the most active players are still town. If scum is the most active player in the thread and they aren't just spamming then then don't deserve to get lynched. Our problem right now is that the activity levels are too low, killing active players only makes this worse.

And since the activity has been low since the start WoS is correct to be concerned about it so i see no harm in him say he might want to lynch a lurker. If there is anything scummy about it it's that he tentatively puts the idea forward possibly because he is worried about people jumping on him for LaL.

Lynching Ace is okay since he hasn't done anything, but his posts have reflected my own feeling about the game and there are other who have also done nothing. He hasn't done anything to make me want to keep him alive but at the same time i see no reason to choose ace specifically.

I think zephird's push is bad but it is not inherently scummy, his response to pressure was townlike and towards the beginning he was trying to get the thread moving in the right direction which was quite needed.

This post, Jay is the only one he wants to lynch right? But he doesnt seem intent to asking people to vote for him, or to get him lynched at all. It feels like jay is the convenient target that no one thinks layabout is suspicious for having. It does not feel like Layabout wants to get jay lynched.

BUTTTTTT
The current redeeming thing in his favor, is that he thinks Sent scumslipped and is pushing Sent hard.
If Sent flips town, I will look back at layabout.


It's funny your idea about how prp isn't scummy is exactly what made me think he is scummy. That quick change in attitude regarding Rayn looked awful, and I don't see how you can defend it.

Regarding Sent:
Again I may fall into the trap of my own early bad play here, but there is something to be said about town worrying about looking bad. If you look at my first few games I did shit like explaining why what I'm about to do looks scummy as town. Sentinel isn't new here though, right? We're assuming he knows better? I also disagree with your analysis of Sent's reasoning for finding me scummy. I semi-intentionally acted the way I did to get conversation started; I didn't know it would get people to vote for me but I've already explained that either way I found that successful. Assuming you didn't believe I was town, don't you think it's possible for me to have acted the way I did if I was scum? The wagon on me was weak and I knew it. When Sentinel accused me of being scum I answered him and explained it but I certainly wasn't thinking of it the way you were.

Regarding layabout: His thoughts have basically coincided with mine all game. I have absolutely no reason to think he is scum right now above other people.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 07 2013 19:05 GMT
#827
On June 08 2013 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im pretty much confirmed town after rayne flipped red, anyone pushing on me reminds me of goodkarma from the les mis game, except im goodkarma this game.

What?
No.
GK at least put in the effort.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 07 2013 19:06 GMT
#828
On June 08 2013 04:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im pretty much confirmed town after rayne flipped red, anyone pushing on me reminds me of goodkarma from the les mis game, except im goodkarma this game.


What? You were one of the few defending rayn. You were desperately trying to get fuba lynched until the very end. If you're confirmed anything it's scum.

Eduardo Nbobo would be a powerful role if he lived. It would make sense to defend rayn.

he was also called town for no reason by rayn
No gg, No skill.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 07 2013 19:07 GMT
#829
On June 08 2013 04:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 04:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On June 08 2013 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im pretty much confirmed town after rayne flipped red, anyone pushing on me reminds me of goodkarma from the les mis game, except im goodkarma this game.


What? You were one of the few defending rayn. You were desperately trying to get fuba lynched until the very end. If you're confirmed anything it's scum.

Eduardo Nbobo would be a powerful role if he lived. It would make sense to defend rayn.

he was also called town for no reason by rayn

I don't honestly see the value of that.
It's WIFOM.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 07 2013 19:07 GMT
#830
On June 08 2013 04:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im pretty much confirmed town after rayne flipped red, anyone pushing on me reminds me of goodkarma from the les mis game, except im goodkarma this game.

What?
No.
GK at least put in the effort.


You just said me putting in more effort makes me scum. Make up your mind or stop trollin' its a perfect example
I come in for the scraps
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 07 2013 19:08 GMT
#831
On June 08 2013 04:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 04:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 08 2013 04:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On June 08 2013 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im pretty much confirmed town after rayne flipped red, anyone pushing on me reminds me of goodkarma from the les mis game, except im goodkarma this game.


What? You were one of the few defending rayn. You were desperately trying to get fuba lynched until the very end. If you're confirmed anything it's scum.

Eduardo Nbobo would be a powerful role if he lived. It would make sense to defend rayn.

he was also called town for no reason by rayn

I don't honestly see the value of that.
It's WIFOM.

no its not.

Why give scum partner 100% town read with iffy reasons when you can just say null? Vayne wasnt even under pressure in the slightest
No gg, No skill.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 07 2013 19:10 GMT
#832
On June 08 2013 04:07 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 04:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 08 2013 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im pretty much confirmed town after rayne flipped red, anyone pushing on me reminds me of goodkarma from the les mis game, except im goodkarma this game.

What?
No.
GK at least put in the effort.


You just said me putting in more effort makes me scum. Make up your mind or stop trollin' its a perfect example

You're right, but I also said it pisses me off. YOU also said you wouldn't be playing the same way this game. Maybe you've reversed your meta now.


You are dead weight right now if you're town, and I don't tolerate dead weight in my town.

Again, for somebody so proud of his play on other sites I haven't seen much of that great play here. Who do you want to lynch and how do you plan to actively assist the town in getting your primary read lynched?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 07 2013 19:11 GMT
#833
He said I was town because he was trying to buddy up people outside of the mafia to get the lynch changed, he did the same thing with JJD. This isn't that complicated.
I come in for the scraps
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 07 2013 19:12 GMT
#834
On June 08 2013 04:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 04:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 08 2013 04:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 08 2013 04:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On June 08 2013 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im pretty much confirmed town after rayne flipped red, anyone pushing on me reminds me of goodkarma from the les mis game, except im goodkarma this game.


What? You were one of the few defending rayn. You were desperately trying to get fuba lynched until the very end. If you're confirmed anything it's scum.

Eduardo Nbobo would be a powerful role if he lived. It would make sense to defend rayn.

he was also called town for no reason by rayn

I don't honestly see the value of that.
It's WIFOM.

no its not.

Why give scum partner 100% town read with iffy reasons when you can just say null? Vayne wasnt even under pressure in the slightest

'Iffy reasons' could be scum-derived in that he knows Vayne is town and gave odd reasons for it because he didn't want to make it seem like he knew Vayne is town.

'Iffy reasons' could also be scum doing his best to protect a buddy.

Do you know for sure which it is?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 07 2013 19:12 GMT
#835
On June 08 2013 04:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 04:07 VayneAuthority wrote:
On June 08 2013 04:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 08 2013 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im pretty much confirmed town after rayne flipped red, anyone pushing on me reminds me of goodkarma from the les mis game, except im goodkarma this game.

What?
No.
GK at least put in the effort.


You just said me putting in more effort makes me scum. Make up your mind or stop trollin' its a perfect example

You're right, but I also said it pisses me off. YOU also said you wouldn't be playing the same way this game. Maybe you've reversed your meta now.


You are dead weight right now if you're town, and I don't tolerate dead weight in my town.

Again, for somebody so proud of his play on other sites I haven't seen much of that great play here. Who do you want to lynch and how do you plan to actively assist the town in getting your primary read lynched?


I already voted for who I want to lynch, there's no way around it. Percentages and the KP reduction is too good to pass up. Also ATE is going to get you nowhere with me so you can drop it.
I come in for the scraps
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
June 07 2013 19:14 GMT
#836
On June 08 2013 04:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
He said I was town because he was trying to buddy up people outside of the mafia to get the lynch changed, he did the same thing with JJD. This isn't that complicated.
????
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
June 07 2013 19:15 GMT
#837
On June 08 2013 04:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 04:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
He said I was town because he was trying to buddy up people outside of the mafia to get the lynch changed, he did the same thing with JJD. This isn't that complicated.
????


Read rayne's filter and it will become apparent
I come in for the scraps
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 07 2013 19:16 GMT
#838
On June 08 2013 04:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 04:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 08 2013 04:07 VayneAuthority wrote:
On June 08 2013 04:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 08 2013 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im pretty much confirmed town after rayne flipped red, anyone pushing on me reminds me of goodkarma from the les mis game, except im goodkarma this game.

What?
No.
GK at least put in the effort.


You just said me putting in more effort makes me scum. Make up your mind or stop trollin' its a perfect example

You're right, but I also said it pisses me off. YOU also said you wouldn't be playing the same way this game. Maybe you've reversed your meta now.


You are dead weight right now if you're town, and I don't tolerate dead weight in my town.

Again, for somebody so proud of his play on other sites I haven't seen much of that great play here. Who do you want to lynch and how do you plan to actively assist the town in getting your primary read lynched?


I already voted for who I want to lynch, there's no way around it. Percentages and the KP reduction is too good to pass up. Also ATE is going to get you nowhere with me so you can drop it.

I don't know what ATE is.
'Percentages and KP reduction' are not good enough when you have made no active contributions to the game this far. As I've said I may not be pushing you today but I certainly will not be dropping this entirely.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 07 2013 19:16 GMT
#839
On June 08 2013 04:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 04:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 08 2013 04:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 08 2013 04:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 08 2013 04:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On June 08 2013 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im pretty much confirmed town after rayne flipped red, anyone pushing on me reminds me of goodkarma from the les mis game, except im goodkarma this game.


What? You were one of the few defending rayn. You were desperately trying to get fuba lynched until the very end. If you're confirmed anything it's scum.

Eduardo Nbobo would be a powerful role if he lived. It would make sense to defend rayn.

he was also called town for no reason by rayn

I don't honestly see the value of that.
It's WIFOM.

no its not.

Why give scum partner 100% town read with iffy reasons when you can just say null? Vayne wasnt even under pressure in the slightest

'Iffy reasons' could be scum-derived in that he knows Vayne is town and gave odd reasons for it because he didn't want to make it seem like he knew Vayne is town.


This makes Vayne town


'Iffy reasons' could also be scum doing his best to protect a buddy.

Do you know for sure which it is?

Vayne was under 0 pressure, and giving a player a very nebulous reason why they are town is easy to 180 and stuff.
Im almost completely sure that vayne isnt scum.

On that note, I gotta sleep.

LYNCH ACE.
LYNCH ACE.
LYNCH ACE.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 07 2013 19:17 GMT
#840
On June 08 2013 04:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 04:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 08 2013 04:07 VayneAuthority wrote:
On June 08 2013 04:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 08 2013 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im pretty much confirmed town after rayne flipped red, anyone pushing on me reminds me of goodkarma from the les mis game, except im goodkarma this game.

What?
No.
GK at least put in the effort.


You just said me putting in more effort makes me scum. Make up your mind or stop trollin' its a perfect example

You're right, but I also said it pisses me off. YOU also said you wouldn't be playing the same way this game. Maybe you've reversed your meta now.


You are dead weight right now if you're town, and I don't tolerate dead weight in my town.

Again, for somebody so proud of his play on other sites I haven't seen much of that great play here. Who do you want to lynch and how do you plan to actively assist the town in getting your primary read lynched?


I already voted for who I want to lynch, there's no way around it. Percentages and the KP reduction is too good to pass up. Also ATE is going to get you nowhere with me so you can drop it.

please do some work, Read both our filters, vote for the one you think is scum.
Thats the best way to get today correct irregardless of mine or Ace's alignment.
DO IT.
No gg, No skill.
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