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On June 06 2013 12:03 Ace wrote:
Me being afk doesn't mean I'm scum though. The minute I came back I was active and even voted for rayne. I only attempted to switch off when we established rayne might be an inactivity lynch.
What about that chain of events is scummy? What was I supposed to do - lurk? And then get accused for that too?
I'm too lazy to check atm...when 'we' established Rayn might be an inactivity lynch? When was that ever established?
I'm not sure who attempted to push that line of thinking in the first place. You had a long post that analyzed everyone's pushes on Rayn I believe and in the end you summarized it as 'half of us are voting because of inactivity, and the other half have legit reasons.'
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On June 06 2013 21:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
We lynching Sent tmr.
Sent, if in fact you are town, go and look at Les Mis and emulate BH's play there after he got pretty much lynched for scumslipping, he flipped town. If you do that, Ill lynch whoever you want.
I know its hard to be objective since I was scum but I want to say I wouldn't have lynched BH in that game.
What do you mean you'll lynch whoever he wants? Assuming he is town, I can't say I'd trust his reads enough to do that. That being said I agree that Sent really needs to pick up his play.
Vayne too imo. Still want to hear what he has to say about me making long cases that are wrong?
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On June 06 2013 22:53 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 22:50 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 06 2013 21:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
We lynching Sent tmr.
Sent, if in fact you are town, go and look at Les Mis and emulate BH's play there after he got pretty much lynched for scumslipping, he flipped town. If you do that, Ill lynch whoever you want.
I know its hard to be objective since I was scum but I want to say I wouldn't have lynched BH in that game. What do you mean you'll lynch whoever he wants? Assuming he is town, I can't say I'd trust his reads enough to do that. That being said I agree that Sent really needs to pick up his play. Vayne too imo. Still want to hear what he has to say about me making long cases that are wrong? Im saying if he plays like BH in that game. I will sheep him. If he does whatever he does, I will push for his lynch. Is that hard to understand?
Yes. It doesn't make sense to me that you'd sheep someone whose quality of reads is questionable, even if they are town.
Also rereading the past few hours I'd like to hear from jay why he found fuba scmmier than rayn.
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You know I thought there might be a chance in hell I'd be killed D1 because I'm awesome but yeah, wishful thinking. Oh well, scum will pay for not killing me.
Oh wait, derp. Avoid the medic. Hmm so that means scum didn't have medic last night, huh?
I was roleblocker. I was debating not claiming to see if anyone would be stupid enough to claim so I could shut them down but I really don't see that happening.
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On June 07 2013 08:09 kitaman27 wrote:You honestly aren't that bad are you Wave? 
Looks like I derped. I thought since we killed the rolecop and the first thing I read in the OP was 'factional KP' there was no point in RBing for higher risk of hitting a role of our own. I didn't have any particularly strong scumreads after Rayn.
Blue roles are still my weak point it seems. Make of it what you will.
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Also lol of the people I might have RBed jay would have been one of them
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On June 07 2013 08:10 VayneAuthority wrote:scumslip or fail? Not that I have much room to talk
Lol even if I were scum, how would it be a slip? Not to mention if scum didn't have the medic (which is how it APPEARS) wouldn't I have wanted to rb to try and hit him?
Anyway I don't see the big deal tbh. Someone can explain it to me if its not the obvious fact that I could have blocked one of the KP. I'm still pretty confidernt we've got this.
(And in other news I think I might actually need some blue coaching cause in all the games I've had, I never do much good. )
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I could get with an Ace lynch today. I think I like it more than Sent/vayne but I have to look. Ill have time in a couple hours ish
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Alright we're going to have to take this slowly and methodically.
With this claim (or fakeclaim) I don't think it's possible for both Oats and Ace to be scum. They can both be town if Oats is a miller...is miller self-aware or not? (I would assume not.) Ace could be scum fakeclaiming as Oats says, or it could be as simple as cop Ace catching scum Oats.
I think it might make sense to have a look at all of the theory talk Ace had been doing regarding setup to see if it's likely he would try a fakeclaim here.
Just getting this stuff all down in the thread; I will be doing all the stuff I've said myself pretty soon.
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On June 07 2013 09:32 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 08:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
You know I thought there might be a chance in hell I'd be killed D1 because I'm awesome but yeah, wishful thinking. Oh well, scum will pay for not killing me.
Oh wait, derp. Avoid the medic. Hmm so that means scum didn't have medic last night, huh?
I was roleblocker. I was debating not claiming to see if anyone would be stupid enough to claim so I could shut them down but I really don't see that happening. WoS we have everything but yopur rb claimed so far, can you share it? We do not know if scum played avoid the medic we do not know if scum had the medic.
Did you read the thread?
I didn't rb anyone. Explanation followed.
Jay claimed medic and he protected Vivax. If he is scum then they're setting up one hell of a long-con imo.
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On June 07 2013 09:32 Ace wrote:
I'll be back after the game is over. Read my posts, and read Day 1 all over again, please. Just be objective and you'll see exactly where I'm coming from.
The game like....this game? Or basketball?
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On June 07 2013 09:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
[quoteJay claimed medic and he protected Vivax. If he is scum then they're setting up one hell of a long-con imo.
Or he is scum and he protected anyone knowing it doesnt matter.
Duude keep it simple. His night actions tonight dont show any additional light on his alignment.[/QUOTE]
Not just him, but the fact that the night kills make it seem like scum were avoiding killing anyone who might receive a medic protect.
Therefore if Jay is scum medic it means scum took the risk and killed lower priority targets to make it seem like they were avoiding the medic.
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EBWOP: Fail quotes.
On June 07 2013 09:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +Jay claimed medic and he protected Vivax. If he is scum then they're setting up one hell of a long-con imo. Or he is scum and he protected anyone knowing it doesnt matter. Duude keep it simple. His night actions tonight dont show any additional light on his alignment.
Not just him, but the fact that the night kills make it seem like scum were avoiding killing anyone who might receive a medic protect.
Therefore if Jay is scum medic it means scum took the risk and killed lower priority targets to make it seem like they were avoiding the medic.
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I don't like being pigeonholed into a 2-person lynch choice this early in the day. It kills discussion.
I'm going to go about it as if the copclaim doesn't exist and once I'm done I will factor it in.
If at that point it makes the most sense to lynch Oats or Ace I will gladly go along with it.
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On June 07 2013 10:34 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 10:26 mkfuba07 wrote:On June 07 2013 10:00 jaybrundage wrote:
Hmm So Ace claimed cop and Oats came up red. My first reaction is to call bullshit. I mean if mafia got cop then they could bullshit a check at night. If Oats comes up green if we lynch him ace could just fall back on the miller possibility.
But on the other had if ace is green then we should by all means go for it. I just have trouble seeing ace as green.
The worse case scenario being that Ace is town and checks Oats who is town and miller. That would kinda suck.
At the end of the day it depends on who is most likely mafia from whats going on from the thread. Between Oats and Ace i wanna say ace from his last minute vote derail Not sure it's fair to say ace is scummier for trying to derail the lynch, when oats was doing the same thing. The only difference is that oats was in position to do it before the wagon started going, while ace got apprehensive and pulled out. It's not like oats stopped trying to push ace when rayn was set to be lynched. When Rayn returned to the thread, I thought he was town. Ok how about we dont lynch me or ace today. WE LYNCH prp. YES!
What would make you think he was town?
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On June 07 2013 10:37 layabout wrote:
If mafia get cop they can always make this play regardless of the roleblock. Following the red check is a risk especially when the cop role is still around and more checks can increase our certainty.
If Ace flips at any point we will know if we can trust his check. A check of Oats on Ace could increase our certainty since if would confirm or deny the claim and we would be hoping the person checked does not get miller.
This means Ace will never flip unless we do it ourselves, you know. Or I guess if they're both town.
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On June 07 2013 11:10 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 10:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 07 2013 10:37 layabout wrote:
If mafia get cop they can always make this play regardless of the roleblock. Following the red check is a risk especially when the cop role is still around and more checks can increase our certainty.
If Ace flips at any point we will know if we can trust his check. A check of Oats on Ace could increase our certainty since if would confirm or deny the claim and we would be hoping the person checked does not get miller. This means Ace will never flip unless we do it ourselves, you know. Or I guess if they're both town. Yeah but lynching either is risky the chance of two town whilst ignoring them grants more checks allowing us to make a better decision. It also reduced the pool of player mafia are likely to shoot at improving the chance of us getting a medic save. We should lynch somebody else. I don't think following the cop is the best play to make in this situation. Especially since the correct(okay strong) play for mafia if they get the cop is to claim a red check.
I am perfectly fine with this as it fits exactly with the way I'll be playing the day. Either way so long as discussion doesn't solely revolve around Ace/Oats today.
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Oh yeah forgot about Vayne. Haven't done any diving yet but I feel like I don't know what to do about him.
He did more to help town as scum than he's doing this game.
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On June 07 2013 11:19 VayneAuthority wrote:
I like a 50 --> 100 percent chance of scum better than anything on the board right now but if anyone has a better plan then by all means.
It's critical to get scum down to 2 ASAP because it brings down KP to 1 so I really don't see how we can lynch outside of ace/oats.
Because it's possible they're both town you derp.
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