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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 07 2013 15:05 GMT
#761
On June 07 2013 23:47 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 23:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why are you so dense?


Mostly because said that you hated me. That really, really hurt

you voted for me .

IM SORRY.
Have a <3
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 07 2013 15:07 GMT
#762
JJD,
I already posted responses to your case.
COME ON DUDE.

Respond to those please.

Read my filter. Look at my effort compared to Ace's effort.
Stop fucking caring that its unlikely that scum got cop.
No gg, No skill.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 07 2013 15:30 GMT
#763
oats i want to believe but your push on ace was horrible and i have no idea why you'd go "lets not lynch scum ace. oh they lose kp? well then lets lynch scum ace."
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 07 2013 15:32 GMT
#764
On June 08 2013 00:30 prplhz wrote:
oats i want to believe but your push on ace was horrible and i have no idea why you'd go "lets not lynch scum ace. oh they lose kp? well then lets lynch scum ace."

I wasnt sure at that point.
Im surer now.

No gg, No skill.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 07 2013 15:32 GMT
#765
alright that helps about

0%
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 07 2013 15:33 GMT
#766
you played in ego when ace was lynched d2 for being completely useless, now you decide out of the blue to mindlessly tunnel him on d1 when there were other people around who weren't doing much either? why not rain/lay/sloosh?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 07 2013 15:35 GMT
#767
On June 08 2013 00:33 prplhz wrote:
you played in ego when ace was lynched d2 for being completely useless, now you decide out of the blue to mindlessly tunnel him on d1 when there were other people around who weren't doing much either? why not rain/lay/sloosh?

I was scum in ego.
Does he feel the same way for you here?

sloosh did plenty of stuff just a bit after I started to hard push Ace.
Layabout was semi active
Rayn was not here.

You see, I read through the thread and thought, who is supposed to have thread presence that doesnt. ACE is the correct answer.
TUNNELLLL
No gg, No skill.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 07 2013 15:43 GMT
#768
On June 07 2013 23:58 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 10:10 layabout wrote:
jarjar, vayne and sent look bad but i will go over all that stuff tomorrow


Do you still plan to go over jarjar and vayne or have you changed your mind?

Also, Vivax has been very forgettable, does anyone have a strong opinion on him?

I did until i got into my promotion series.

Vivax said he wouldn't post a lot but on day1 his posting was focused on the right things, not all that suspicious.

At the moment i am trying to work out what to do about the red check since even though the odd's are in our favour we could have ace and oats both town which would screw us particularly since role-based lynching kills activity. If oats dies and flips town we will lynch Ace tomorrow but it's not a sure lynch.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 07 2013 15:44 GMT
#769
On June 08 2013 00:43 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 23:58 kitaman27 wrote:
On June 06 2013 10:10 layabout wrote:
jarjar, vayne and sent look bad but i will go over all that stuff tomorrow


Do you still plan to go over jarjar and vayne or have you changed your mind?

Also, Vivax has been very forgettable, does anyone have a strong opinion on him?

I did until i got into my promotion series.

Vivax said he wouldn't post a lot but on day1 his posting was focused on the right things, not all that suspicious.

At the moment i am trying to work out what to do about the red check since even though the odd's are in our favour we could have ace and oats both town which would screw us particularly since role-based lynching kills activity. If oats dies and flips town we will lynch Ace tomorrow but it's not a sure lynch.

dude what are you saying here
No gg, No skill.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 07 2013 15:48 GMT
#770
Ohai guise. I back.
Random thought before I begin hardcore diving for the day.
What if scum got cop (not necessarily Ace, but whatev), checked town Oats for whatever reason, and just happened to get miller back?
This sets up a really good situation for them where a risky claim might lead to a miller lynch and a near town confirmation for a scum.
Unlikely I know, but it might explain why Ace would attempt the trade....because if the above is true there would be no trade.

Make of that what you will. Time to filter dive.

#Wave'sconspiracytheories
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 07 2013 15:49 GMT
#771
Im pretty sure I flip vanilla town.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 07 2013 15:50 GMT
#772
Cause its not the night anymore.
No gg, No skill.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
June 07 2013 15:51 GMT
#773
On June 08 2013 00:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ohai guise. I back.
Random thought before I begin hardcore diving for the day.
What if scum got cop (not necessarily Ace, but whatev), checked town Oats for whatever reason, and just happened to get miller back?
This sets up a really good situation for them where a risky claim might lead to a miller lynch and a near town confirmation for a scum.
Unlikely I know, but it might explain why Ace would attempt the trade....because if the above is true there would be no trade.

Make of that what you will. Time to filter dive.

#Wave'sconspiracytheories


There is no way to distinguish between a scum fake claim and a scum cop checking a miller. Oats would flip town (not miller) either way and Ace would get lynched the next day.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 07 2013 15:53 GMT
#774
On June 08 2013 00:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cause its not the night anymore.

Oh hmm that's true, powers only exist at night.
k ignore me. Back to filters.
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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 07 2013 16:01 GMT
#775
On June 07 2013 23:50 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 23:48 Stutters695 wrote:
Absence isn't a scum tell on its own.


I think you have to treat continued absence as a scum tell, otherwise it establishes a policy that it's fine to disappear without consequence.

Continued absence without any posting sure, but when there is posting there is stuff to interpret. People accuse me of being scum when I'm absent all the time, but reading my posts should make it pretty obvious I'm not. Rayne avoided saying anything in his posts and was lynched for it. Oats throwing out incredibly unlikely theories of how Ace is lying because he is absent isn't a reason to lynch and he should be showing how his posting shows that he's absent with the intent of avoiding discussion or something equally scummy.

Hopefully that makes sense, typing from my phone.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
June 07 2013 16:03 GMT
#776
Also oats you kept throwing my name around as part of a scum team with Ace, Rayne and then a random fourth. While I wasn't here you seemed to have stopped, why is that?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
June 07 2013 16:18 GMT
#777
My analysis of Sentinel's play and why he is most likely town:

On June 07 2013 05:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
prplhz - 7/10 scumpoints for his questionable defense of rayn which may or may not be motivated by meta (2 above neutral for his flip flop)

vayne - 9/10 scumpoints from bringing nothing of value and defending rayn

oats - 6/10 scumpoints because although his godforsaken ace push is angering me, he's using what little substance he offers to pressure me into a lynch. rayn was ignoring me (I maintain that he was setting me up). vayne looks like he's ignoring half the players in this game too (including at least one scum). oats is taking the spotlight to lead who he (mistakenly) thinks is town. he gets one scumpoint for the ace push and is otherwise a neutral (but incredibly pithy!) player.


On June 07 2013 18:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Vayne and prplhz voted for Oats and defending Ace on little evidence despite public opinion, are we having a repeat of the rayn lynch? Can we be right twice?

##unvote
##vote: ace


At first glance this post looked really scummy for the reasons he used to switch to ace, but it provides valuable information.
Sentinel is basing all his reasoning on two other people being scum, while having Oats as scummy as well (I disagree with the notion but it's probably town-motivated)

Now, imagine Oats is scum and Sentinel too. That doesn't really fit, right? Sentinel has been pushing Oats throughout D1, then he added Vayne and prplhz as his scumreads, and ace revealed the cop check, and Sentinel thinks "Oh well two scummers are on another scummers' wagon so ace is scum", and Oats can't be scum.

What has been going on here? These are the explanations:

1: Sentinel is scum, Oats is miller and ace is cop. Sentinel lynches Ace and still can lynch Oats afterwards. (improbable)
2: Sentinel is scum, Oats is standard town and ace is scum. Sentinel busses ace over his scumread for maximum town cred cause he knows that whatever happens, ace will die after Oats. (improbable, he has been pushing Oats all the time before)
3: Sentinel is town and genuinely thinks that Oats can't be scum cause two other scum reads vote for him, discarding the possibility that they know that Oats will die sooner or later. (probable)

That means that, in case of an Oats red flip, Sentinel is town. And in case of an Ace red flip, he's also town, simply cause I don't see him going for an ace bus when all he has been doing so far in the game would have allowed him to keep pushing Oats instead of ace.

If Oats was miller, then the reasoning is obviously useless, but I guess we have to gamble here.

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________

As for who to choose today, Ace was in no danger of getting lynched any time soon, and Oats seems like a likely target for a check for his strange D1 tunnel on Ace. I've never played against scum-Ace, but I doubt he would be so stupid to throw away his life with a fake check, hoping that town believes Oats was miller last night.

Oats is now clearly putting up a fight and also delivering reads on other people now that he's at danger of getting lynched, that's only logic cause scum has to defend themselves since they lost Rayn or they will lose valuable KP after that awful start.

If you still think that Oats could be town, go read what Zephir wrote about him in his analysis post before dying:


Oatsmaster: I would lynch rayn today too, => I could lynch both Sent and rayn though => directly asks rayn why didnt he want to lynch ace => I wanna lynch Rayn and stutters and Ace today, => Im not feeling this rayn lynch anymore.

Note: rayn's response was "Oats if Ace does post more fluff i'm certainly in killing him. There is no reason to not contribute anything."
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 07 2013 16:28 GMT
#778
On June 08 2013 01:03 Stutters695 wrote:
Also oats you kept throwing my name around as part of a scum team with Ace, Rayne and then a random fourth. While I wasn't here you seemed to have stopped, why is that?

cause it was for funzies
No gg, No skill.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 07 2013 16:32 GMT
#779
On June 08 2013 01:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 01:03 Stutters695 wrote:
Also oats you kept throwing my name around as part of a scum team with Ace, Rayne and then a random fourth. While I wasn't here you seemed to have stopped, why is that?

cause it was for funzies

For the record, it's this kind of shit that makes me have such a hard time analyzng Oats.
He played this trolly, useless, at times tunnely style in Carnival Cruise and was town.
Oats is definitely going to take me the longest.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 07 2013 16:33 GMT
#780
Vivax, what zeph said doesnt mean anything. He didnt provide a conclusion. You wanna provide a conclusion?


As for who to choose today, Ace was in no danger of getting lynched any time soon, and Oats seems like a likely target for a check for his strange D1 tunnel on Ace. I've never played against scum-Ace, but I doubt he would be so stupid to throw away his life with a fake check, hoping that town believes Oats was miller last night.

Oats is now clearly putting up a fight and also delivering reads on other people now that he's at danger of getting lynched, that's only logic cause scum has to defend themselves since they lost Rayn or they will lose valuable KP after that awful start.

Ok. Current Premise im operating under until Ace returns. He knew that if he were to just normally afk, HE WOULD GET LYNCHED, No doubt. 0. People were already turning to the idea of lynching Ace. So he busts out fake cop check to make sure I get lynched(Most fucking vocal person in the thread) And he doesnt die today.
Also when he gets me lynched. Oh miller, sorry guys.
ITS NOT A 1 for 1, and you guys need to stop thinking that way.

No gg, No skill.
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