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On May 20 2013 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm all in for lynching BH. His post about 3 scum seems like a slip and i can't see his follow up after that coming from a townie. Also this is a post that raised red flags on him earlier:
By the way, doesn't this mean that my theory you were arguing against earlier is likely correct?
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On May 20 2013 21:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you mean?
It means that BH is mafia and panicked claiming mason and was forced to mason me, which you were telling me was stupid.
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Yeah at that time i thought that theory was stupid. Now, given his posts after that and what DP has pointed out, i'm not so sure about it.
On a sidenote, i think GK is more likely to be scum than Dandel and i do not think they are both scum. Maybe i am wrong about WoS or Jarjar, i need to see what they will do on D2.
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dandel why you care more about vote counts then this game?
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On May 20 2013 18:37 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 13:29 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 13:24 Blazinghand wrote:On May 20 2013 13:22 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 13:08 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 13:07 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 13:05 s0Lstice wrote:
DP, trying to think through this.
You are saying this slip means BH is a scum masoner? Yep. Why would he then say that he would be confirmed town after X nights when he knows that we are all aware that this is a closed set-up with the possibility of any role in play...even scum masoner? Because scum masoners are rare and he is trying to leverage his role into town cred. Remember his mason claim is all that saved him and most of us were operating under the assumption that he was town mason. Also people say confirmed town all the time for stupid reasons. I choose to view it as meaningless posturing. Yea I get the leverage argument...but I'm saying there is no leverage to be had since we all have discussed the closed set-up. Rare or not, its in play, so the town has to consider it. Like, we already have talked about how the mason claim isn't alignment indicative. I suppose it makes sense though. It also proves BH hasn't been reading the thread. If he had been diving filters, he'd know there aren't just 12 players (and hence 3 scum as per normal), and that assumption would not have arisen. Assuming I'm town, it proves I haven't been reading the thread. If you think it's a legit scumslip, it says nothing about whether or not I'm reading the thread. Yes it does. Scum BH would not have claimed to be confirmed town after 3 nights if he had been reading the thread. We are all factoring in the possibility of a scum mason. Just catching up on all this now. I disagree with this in particular. Another player on this forum, Toadesstern, is legendary for claiming 'confirmed town' status for his non-alignment indicative power roles and/or pushes. It's something he almost exclusively does as town, so characterising this in particular as a mafia trait seems not correct.
I wasn't arguing for it as a mafia trait...
BH claimed to be confirmed town after three nights. I said in that quote that scum BH would not have claimed to be confirmed town after 3 nights.
At that point we were arguing about whether it proves, as either alignment, that BH wasn't reading the thread. I said it proves scum BH hasn't been reading the thread because a scum mason should be keenly aware of what confirms and doesn't confirm him. He wouldn't attempt to dictate to the rest of the thread something that in fact would NOT confirm him, especially considering we have been actively talking about the closed set-up and the possibility of scum masons. Whether you agree with that or not is a different story (but I'll guess no ;D ).
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On May 20 2013 12:46 Stutters695 wrote:
Someone asked for my thoughts on Dandel so now that I've got a break at work this is what I'm seeing:
Trolling at the start isn't really indicative (iirc he did this in MtG2 but his hydra partner (iamp) was so clearly town it didn't matter much). Not 100% on that but I'm pretty sure that's how it went down d1. I can check that in the morning before day post.
That post against Marv about his trolling felt town at first glance, but when I think of it in retrospect it really is the most obvious thing to say, town or scum. I'm still leaning really slightly town on it simply because he's going up against Marv d1, which if he's scum is probably a poor move because Marv always has a really strong thread presence.
He ignores Iamp's questions and only responds to Marv, but according to him he was only on p10. If that's true, null.
His post on my meta I actually kinda liked for its honesty. Like he said, if you wanted to make me seem lynchable point out a good town game and compare it to that.
My issue here, and its fairly major, is if he's aware of that and that my overall meta is like I'm playing, why was he trying to lynch me? If he wasn't(way more likely) then he had done nothing through this point.
Next post: he actually has some stances although they're town reads. Sheeps the case on JJD, which he had already claimed he was a fan of, but his case on GK is what worries me here. Being the subject of GKs post, I actually felt he raised valid points since he didn't get my joke/it wad ambiguous that I was joking to DP while also correcting that I have no scum meta. I wouldn't have described that as a serious misrepresentation of my post, just a misunderstanding (I am still interested in lynching GK but nothing to do with that post).
To this point, he's still barely taken a stance and arguably did the same type of misrepresentation he's accusing GK of.
Next thing that seemed really odd was his post about Sputnik possibly using a really similar opening to his own in an off-site game. Not conclusive at all, but it makes me wonder why he would bring that up unless he knew something about Sputniks alignment considering he was playing near textbook scum and didn't ever actually push his lynch.
Moving forward he asks questions but still avoids taking real stances. Even his vote on GK is off of a "slip" and not his overall scummy play. I need to get this post out quick so basically I think he's a strong scum possibility but there are others who I'd prefer because I know if he is town he can bring much more and there are people I think are more likely.
i didnt play in mtg.....
and who are the "others" you think dear
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On May 20 2013 22:14 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 18:37 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 13:29 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 13:24 Blazinghand wrote:On May 20 2013 13:22 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 13:08 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 13:07 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 13:05 s0Lstice wrote:
DP, trying to think through this.
You are saying this slip means BH is a scum masoner? Yep. Why would he then say that he would be confirmed town after X nights when he knows that we are all aware that this is a closed set-up with the possibility of any role in play...even scum masoner? Because scum masoners are rare and he is trying to leverage his role into town cred. Remember his mason claim is all that saved him and most of us were operating under the assumption that he was town mason. Also people say confirmed town all the time for stupid reasons. I choose to view it as meaningless posturing. Yea I get the leverage argument...but I'm saying there is no leverage to be had since we all have discussed the closed set-up. Rare or not, its in play, so the town has to consider it. Like, we already have talked about how the mason claim isn't alignment indicative. I suppose it makes sense though. It also proves BH hasn't been reading the thread. If he had been diving filters, he'd know there aren't just 12 players (and hence 3 scum as per normal), and that assumption would not have arisen. Assuming I'm town, it proves I haven't been reading the thread. If you think it's a legit scumslip, it says nothing about whether or not I'm reading the thread. Yes it does. Scum BH would not have claimed to be confirmed town after 3 nights if he had been reading the thread. We are all factoring in the possibility of a scum mason. Just catching up on all this now. I disagree with this in particular. Another player on this forum, Toadesstern, is legendary for claiming 'confirmed town' status for his non-alignment indicative power roles and/or pushes. It's something he almost exclusively does as town, so characterising this in particular as a mafia trait seems not correct. I wasn't arguing for it as a mafia trait... BH claimed to be confirmed town after three nights. I said in that quote that scum BH would not have claimed to be confirmed town after 3 nights. At that point we were arguing about whether it proves, as either alignment, that BH wasn't reading the thread. I said it proves scum BH hasn't been reading the thread because a scum mason should be keenly aware of what confirms and doesn't confirm him. He wouldn't attempt to dictate to the rest of the thread something that in fact would NOT confirm him, especially considering we have been actively talking about the closed set-up and the possibility of scum masons. Whether you agree with that or not is a different story (but I'll guess no ;D ).
I'm slightly confused and it's probably not very important, so good stuff, sir.
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On May 20 2013 22:19 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 22:14 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 18:37 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 13:29 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 13:24 Blazinghand wrote:On May 20 2013 13:22 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 13:08 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 13:07 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 13:05 s0Lstice wrote:
DP, trying to think through this.
You are saying this slip means BH is a scum masoner? Yep. Why would he then say that he would be confirmed town after X nights when he knows that we are all aware that this is a closed set-up with the possibility of any role in play...even scum masoner? Because scum masoners are rare and he is trying to leverage his role into town cred. Remember his mason claim is all that saved him and most of us were operating under the assumption that he was town mason. Also people say confirmed town all the time for stupid reasons. I choose to view it as meaningless posturing. Yea I get the leverage argument...but I'm saying there is no leverage to be had since we all have discussed the closed set-up. Rare or not, its in play, so the town has to consider it. Like, we already have talked about how the mason claim isn't alignment indicative. I suppose it makes sense though. It also proves BH hasn't been reading the thread. If he had been diving filters, he'd know there aren't just 12 players (and hence 3 scum as per normal), and that assumption would not have arisen. Assuming I'm town, it proves I haven't been reading the thread. If you think it's a legit scumslip, it says nothing about whether or not I'm reading the thread. Yes it does. Scum BH would not have claimed to be confirmed town after 3 nights if he had been reading the thread. We are all factoring in the possibility of a scum mason. Just catching up on all this now. I disagree with this in particular. Another player on this forum, Toadesstern, is legendary for claiming 'confirmed town' status for his non-alignment indicative power roles and/or pushes. It's something he almost exclusively does as town, so characterising this in particular as a mafia trait seems not correct. I wasn't arguing for it as a mafia trait... BH claimed to be confirmed town after three nights. I said in that quote that scum BH would not have claimed to be confirmed town after 3 nights. At that point we were arguing about whether it proves, as either alignment, that BH wasn't reading the thread. I said it proves scum BH hasn't been reading the thread because a scum mason should be keenly aware of what confirms and doesn't confirm him. He wouldn't attempt to dictate to the rest of the thread something that in fact would NOT confirm him, especially considering we have been actively talking about the closed set-up and the possibility of scum masons. Whether you agree with that or not is a different story (but I'll guess no ;D ). I'm slightly confused and it's probably not very important, so good stuff, sir.
The point was the quote you referenced wasn't even talking about alignment, it was about thread reading. And, even if it was talking about alignment, my conclusion from the post you quoted would have lead to town points, not scum points.
But you're right about one thing, it isn't important.
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All caught up.
So BH scumslipped? I'm shocked. /end sarcasm
FWIW, I don't it's unreasonable to think that DP is bussing here. He's trying to gain town cred for a lynch that almost happened yesterday. If they thought that BH was most likely gonna get lynched or vigged, it'd be a pretty good scum play IMO.
I'm not saying I definately think it's true, but DP "catching" BH in scumslip when there are already several people suspecting BH doesn't make me think DP is any more likely to be town.
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On May 20 2013 22:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
All caught up.
So BH scumslipped? I'm shocked. /end sarcasm
FWIW, I don't it's unreasonable to think that DP is bussing here. He's trying to gain town cred for a lynch that almost happened yesterday. If they thought that BH was most likely gonna get lynched or vigged, it'd be a pretty good scum play IMO.
I'm not saying I definately think it's true, but DP "catching" BH in scumslip when there are already several people suspecting BH doesn't make me think DP is any more likely to be town.
Why on earth would you put forward the theory that DP is bussing? There's zero indication in your filter thus far that you think DP is suspicious.
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On May 20 2013 22:46 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 22:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
All caught up.
So BH scumslipped? I'm shocked. /end sarcasm
FWIW, I don't it's unreasonable to think that DP is bussing here. He's trying to gain town cred for a lynch that almost happened yesterday. If they thought that BH was most likely gonna get lynched or vigged, it'd be a pretty good scum play IMO.
I'm not saying I definately think it's true, but DP "catching" BH in scumslip when there are already several people suspecting BH doesn't make me think DP is any more likely to be town. Why on earth would you put forward the theory that DP is bussing? There's zero indication in your filter thus far that you think DP is suspicious.
Well for starters I've been trying to push for a BH lynch all game. But DP still has me as a top scumread despite basically saying that he's 100% sure BH is scum. He earlier accused me of being a scummie that's too attached to my badwagon. You would think he'd back off me a bit since he supposedly believes that the guy I've been bandwagoning is scum.
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On May 20 2013 22:56 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 22:46 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 22:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
All caught up.
So BH scumslipped? I'm shocked. /end sarcasm
FWIW, I don't it's unreasonable to think that DP is bussing here. He's trying to gain town cred for a lynch that almost happened yesterday. If they thought that BH was most likely gonna get lynched or vigged, it'd be a pretty good scum play IMO.
I'm not saying I definately think it's true, but DP "catching" BH in scumslip when there are already several people suspecting BH doesn't make me think DP is any more likely to be town. Why on earth would you put forward the theory that DP is bussing? There's zero indication in your filter thus far that you think DP is suspicious. Well for starters I've been trying to push for a BH lynch all game. But DP still has me as a top scumread despite basically saying that he's 100% sure BH is scum. He earlier accused me of being a scummie that's too attached to my badwagon. You would think he'd back off me a bit since he supposedly believes that the guy I've been bandwagoning is scum.
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On May 20 2013 22:56 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 22:46 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 22:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
All caught up.
So BH scumslipped? I'm shocked. /end sarcasm
FWIW, I don't it's unreasonable to think that DP is bussing here. He's trying to gain town cred for a lynch that almost happened yesterday. If they thought that BH was most likely gonna get lynched or vigged, it'd be a pretty good scum play IMO.
I'm not saying I definately think it's true, but DP "catching" BH in scumslip when there are already several people suspecting BH doesn't make me think DP is any more likely to be town. Why on earth would you put forward the theory that DP is bussing? There's zero indication in your filter thus far that you think DP is suspicious. Well for starters I've been trying to push for a BH lynch all game. But DP still has me as a top scumread despite basically saying that he's 100% sure BH is scum. He earlier accused me of being a scummie that's too attached to my badwagon. You would think he'd back off me a bit since he supposedly believes that the guy I've been bandwagoning is scum.
So if DP is potentially mafia bussing BH, same could be true of you on Day 1, right?
Like "gosh darnit, everyone believes the claim, but I still think he's mafia!"
Looks good if BH later flips mafia, right?
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On May 20 2013 17:43 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 17:42 yamato77 wrote:
I guess that's reasonable enough. I disagree with your reasoning, but I'm not pushing for a Marv lynch any time soon so that doesn't really matter.
Talk to me about GK. Any updated thoughts on him? Honestly I've been entirely tied up with defending myself since the "scumslip" and haven't done the actual filter-diving that I promised beforehand. I'll get right on it.
how is it coming?
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On May 20 2013 23:05 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 22:56 JarJarDrinks wrote:On May 20 2013 22:46 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 22:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
All caught up.
So BH scumslipped? I'm shocked. /end sarcasm
FWIW, I don't it's unreasonable to think that DP is bussing here. He's trying to gain town cred for a lynch that almost happened yesterday. If they thought that BH was most likely gonna get lynched or vigged, it'd be a pretty good scum play IMO.
I'm not saying I definately think it's true, but DP "catching" BH in scumslip when there are already several people suspecting BH doesn't make me think DP is any more likely to be town. Why on earth would you put forward the theory that DP is bussing? There's zero indication in your filter thus far that you think DP is suspicious. Well for starters I've been trying to push for a BH lynch all game. But DP still has me as a top scumread despite basically saying that he's 100% sure BH is scum. He earlier accused me of being a scummie that's too attached to my badwagon. You would think he'd back off me a bit since he supposedly believes that the guy I've been bandwagoning is scum. So if DP is potentially mafia bussing BH, same could be true of you on Day 1, right? Like "gosh darnit, everyone believes the claim, but I still think he's mafia!" Looks good if BH later flips mafia, right?
I'm not saying that I should be treated as a confirmed townie or anything. But I think I should get some town cred for being the first person to call him out.
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On May 20 2013 23:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 23:05 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 22:56 JarJarDrinks wrote:On May 20 2013 22:46 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 22:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
All caught up.
So BH scumslipped? I'm shocked. /end sarcasm
FWIW, I don't it's unreasonable to think that DP is bussing here. He's trying to gain town cred for a lynch that almost happened yesterday. If they thought that BH was most likely gonna get lynched or vigged, it'd be a pretty good scum play IMO.
I'm not saying I definately think it's true, but DP "catching" BH in scumslip when there are already several people suspecting BH doesn't make me think DP is any more likely to be town. Why on earth would you put forward the theory that DP is bussing? There's zero indication in your filter thus far that you think DP is suspicious. Well for starters I've been trying to push for a BH lynch all game. But DP still has me as a top scumread despite basically saying that he's 100% sure BH is scum. He earlier accused me of being a scummie that's too attached to my badwagon. You would think he'd back off me a bit since he supposedly believes that the guy I've been bandwagoning is scum. So if DP is potentially mafia bussing BH, same could be true of you on Day 1, right? Like "gosh darnit, everyone believes the claim, but I still think he's mafia!" Looks good if BH later flips mafia, right? I'm not saying that I should be treated as a confirmed townie or anything. But I think I should get some town cred for being the first person to call him out.
generally townies don't really give a shit about town cred......
you scum dog?
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On May 20 2013 23:14 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 23:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:On May 20 2013 23:05 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 22:56 JarJarDrinks wrote:On May 20 2013 22:46 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 22:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
All caught up.
So BH scumslipped? I'm shocked. /end sarcasm
FWIW, I don't it's unreasonable to think that DP is bussing here. He's trying to gain town cred for a lynch that almost happened yesterday. If they thought that BH was most likely gonna get lynched or vigged, it'd be a pretty good scum play IMO.
I'm not saying I definately think it's true, but DP "catching" BH in scumslip when there are already several people suspecting BH doesn't make me think DP is any more likely to be town. Why on earth would you put forward the theory that DP is bussing? There's zero indication in your filter thus far that you think DP is suspicious. Well for starters I've been trying to push for a BH lynch all game. But DP still has me as a top scumread despite basically saying that he's 100% sure BH is scum. He earlier accused me of being a scummie that's too attached to my badwagon. You would think he'd back off me a bit since he supposedly believes that the guy I've been bandwagoning is scum. So if DP is potentially mafia bussing BH, same could be true of you on Day 1, right? Like "gosh darnit, everyone believes the claim, but I still think he's mafia!" Looks good if BH later flips mafia, right? I'm not saying that I should be treated as a confirmed townie or anything. But I think I should get some town cred for being the first person to call him out. generally townies don't really give a shit about town cred...... you scum dog?
"As a townie, your number 1 priority is to establish your innocence."
- A General Guide to Mafia
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On May 20 2013 23:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 23:14 iamperfection wrote:On May 20 2013 23:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:On May 20 2013 23:05 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 22:56 JarJarDrinks wrote:On May 20 2013 22:46 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 22:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
All caught up.
So BH scumslipped? I'm shocked. /end sarcasm
FWIW, I don't it's unreasonable to think that DP is bussing here. He's trying to gain town cred for a lynch that almost happened yesterday. If they thought that BH was most likely gonna get lynched or vigged, it'd be a pretty good scum play IMO.
I'm not saying I definately think it's true, but DP "catching" BH in scumslip when there are already several people suspecting BH doesn't make me think DP is any more likely to be town. Why on earth would you put forward the theory that DP is bussing? There's zero indication in your filter thus far that you think DP is suspicious. Well for starters I've been trying to push for a BH lynch all game. But DP still has me as a top scumread despite basically saying that he's 100% sure BH is scum. He earlier accused me of being a scummie that's too attached to my badwagon. You would think he'd back off me a bit since he supposedly believes that the guy I've been bandwagoning is scum. So if DP is potentially mafia bussing BH, same could be true of you on Day 1, right? Like "gosh darnit, everyone believes the claim, but I still think he's mafia!" Looks good if BH later flips mafia, right? I'm not saying that I should be treated as a confirmed townie or anything. But I think I should get some town cred for being the first person to call him out. generally townies don't really give a shit about town cred...... you scum dog? "As a townie, your number 1 priority is to establish your innocence." - A General Guide to Mafia
"As a townie, your number 1 priority is to kill scum."
- A General Guide to Mafia by iamperfection
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it's not possible that a new player in a normal for the first time as town is overly worried about what the town thinks of him?
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