[M][N] Les Mafia - Page 4

On May 20 2013 06:28 iamperfection wrote:

lol why is it only possible for them to be both town or both scum

On May 20 2013 06:32 marvellosity wrote:


Sorry, what? Why can't BH be town and me mafia, or BH mafia and me town?

On May 20 2013 06:31 s0Lstice wrote:


Then make a case and we'll talk about it if you really strongly feel I'm scum. Like I said earlier I'd prefer it if you weren't wasting your time suspecting me.

On May 20 2013 06:37 marvellosity wrote:


Why are you assuming things about mechanics?

On May 21 2013 04:01 Blazinghand wrote:
Actually VA I have a question for you if you have a moment. Initially during D1 you had a town->null read on GK. Eventually this evolved into a scumread after GK said he didn't check his role PM. Since then you've been pushing for his lynch. Aside from the role PM shenannies, why do you think GK is scum? What has changed about your initial scumreads on stutters, WoS, and s0lstice that they are not your main pushes (just DI and GK)? I know you've kept the pressure up on s0lstice a little but since changing your vote to GK during D1 you have not mentioned sutters or s0lstice. Where do you stand on them?

On May 21 2013 06:27 Stutters695 wrote:
More importantly, what do you make of these NKs Vayne?

On May 18 2013 09:55 Dandel Ion wrote:
fuck marv is probably actually town
sad day

iamp totally confirmed town because

vayne was all the rage a few pages back, but he seems to actually believe in what he says (this is consistent with a dude that builds bt and qss as a core, lol), so I dunno, I feel like he would care more about how he looks and adapt (to tl) as scum
I have like nothing to base this on, but I mean, the dude called somebody else a newbie when he just finished playing in an actual newbie game days ago.
I find not giving a fuck generally a townie thing to do. I'm fine with waiting for whatever nightaction information the dude thinks he needs to actually play the game for now.
( I still have no idea what he's doing though )

I really like how blazing reacted to vayne, and I pretty much agree with this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972&currentpage=17#330
Although I am hesitant about the shooting part, but I can't and won't tell you why! Best reasoning NA.

I'm mainly interested in lynching jjd and gk atm.

What has been said about jdd has been said, and he hasn't said anything.

GK because his case on stutters (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972&currentpage=16#320) is based on a serious misrepresentation of stutters' post, trying to point out a inconsistency in stutters posting that was not actually one. (stutters pointed out he's never been scum, gk somehow turned that into an inconsistency regarding meta)
I don't think stutters responded yet and I usually prefer people doing that before i butt in, but I am a realist and it's stutters, so nope.

In total, it just looks way too much like an "easy" case scum loves to do on an inactive/bad (or both!) townie and it gives me the jeebers.


Rest is variying shades of null + Show Spoiler +

aaaaand that should be about it.

Okay, going to sleep. Toodles.

On May 18 2013 06:56 s0Lstice wrote:
Marv-

his pressure seems hesitant/blendy. it's also based on flawed logic. if I was scum, I'd be more likely to be afraid of my meta, as this would be my first scum game. so, because I point it out as part of my introductory post...this makes me suspicious?

his tone makes me think he hasn't even convinced himself. to be fair though, hopping on Vayne's quick wagon is just as important.

combined, it's not a huge lead, but right here right now on a day 1, i'm cool voting him for now

On May 18 2013 14:04 s0Lstice wrote:
All the same...do you know what I would do if I was in Marv's shoes? After all these games, the victories, the early NKs as town, the high win percentage as scum...with that Hapa case floating around out there, and (this is important) people around me itching to lynch me as the game goes on regardless of how I've played because as town I'm so rarely alive late into games..

I might be just fine with artificially tantruming, simply to have something to point to when the inevitable 'why is marv still alive' questions start to pop up.

I'm not saying this is definitely what was going on, but I'm keeping it around to chew on for awhile.

Oh and Marv improves town atmosphere no matter what his alignment is.

On May 21 2013 07:11 marvellosity wrote:
Vayne, you realise in your first quote, s0lstice was addressing me, but talking about someone else?

On May 18 2013 23:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
And where the fuck is Rayn, I was looking forward to his play this game---it is completely unlike him to be this lurky and I don't like it one bit, especially given the fact that he has seen no pressure whatsoever for his lurkiness and yet the more active lurkers like JJD and sputnik have been threatened for not much more.

On May 19 2013 20:18 goodkarma wrote:
It came to my attention that I might not be able to make the substantial post I promised if indeed I get up close to the lynch deadline (which will likely be the case). As such, I'm just going to post it now. Below is my promised listpost. If you want the TL;DR version of it go to the bottom. The most relevant part is obviously Spicy, who is who I’m going to be voting for.


Stutters: I know this guy is capable as town of meaningful analysis when he's actually around. Sadly though, that isn't the case here. He's content to afk for the most part... I’d say very slight town only because he seems to have a similar kind of rhetoric and demeanor to what I remember when I played with him in his newbie game. But I would definitely pressure him to get more out of him.

Iamperfection: I'm pretty confident this guy's town right now.

Grush: This guy's a troll. And a source of frustration for me. I'd say based on his behavior he's scum, but for now I will take a blind leap of faith for the starsenses (given that he's allegedly never ever broken from this). If he could provide any kind of helpful insight at all into his thoughts on this game I would feel far better about this...

Blazinghand: This guy is not the aggressive dude I'm familiar with as scum or town. I get he's playing three games, but how is it that the only people he can get behind are a popular bandwagon (Vayne and later me) or complete lurkers (JarJar)? And then just troll… If it gets to some kind of LYLO situation and the expected number of blues are already accounted for I’d take his blueclaim to be a scum fakeclaim.

WaveofShadow: I feel less good about lynching him right now. Looking through his filter, I see that he has an active involvement in the game. I'm not a fan of his playstyle, and the certainty of his statements about Grush and Sputnik were definitely scummy, but the way his reads evolve and the way he seems to actually care about what's going on in the thread indicates to me he's town (slight townread).

JarJarDrinks: I’ve already discussed this guy. He is a scumread for me atm.

Yamato: Townread.

Solstice: In general what stands out to me about him is that he really doesn’t seem to stick his neck out too much. He’s spent a fair deal of time ambivalently thinking I’m scum off and on. In general, I’d say I really don’t like the exchanges we’ve had. Especially some of the stuff with JarJar felt like he was less interested in looking at what I was saying and more interested in finding ammunition to launch a case. He’s a slight scumread, mostly by process of elimination.

Vayne: He seems to be cooperative with thread in actually moving away from his ridiculous no lynch idea and forming his own opinions. While he’s not a fountain of transparency, he’s played similarly to how he played his prior newbie game. Very slight townread.

Sputnik: Afk lurker. Tbh I’m expecting him to get modkilled. If he isn’t modkilled, he’ll get vigi’ed. I’m going to say that his limited shitty play to date is not alignment indicative (he’s shown he can play like this as town in past games). So let’s say for now there’s a 75% chance the dude’s town (assuming 4 scum).

Marv: Shows an interest in solving the game that I believe is consistent with town alignment. I must confess though I am not very familiar with his scumgame.

Spicydinosaur: What stands out most to me about spicy is that he has had a bit to say but he's had literally ZERO scumreads most of the game. He's pretty wishy-washy in general. One post that demonstrated this well he literally started (in discussing Solstice) by saying “I think this guy is very scummy.” And ends the post saying “I don’t think he’s scum.” Further, in his vote post he somehow manages to mix up the name of who he’s voting for. For sure this could be an honest mistake, but it definitely doesn’t demonstrate he’s very invested in the game. When you think someone’s scum, it’s generally burning in your mind as you’re writing up your post. That he could just mix things up, say “oops sorry” to the thread, and then get away with it is disturbing to me. This is the kind of guy you shouldn't let fly under the radar. In the newbie game that just finished that I observed, he had opinions on other players he thought were scummy. That just isn’t the case here. He’s like “this guy looks kinda bad,” or “this guy is a shitty townie,” but when it comes to who’s actually scum he kinda doesn’t have much to say until his botched up vote post.

Dandel: Seems very focused on getting me lynched. In general I haven’t found his discussions very insightful. A troll he may be, but honestly I don't feel very confident he's town atm. I agree with Yamato that this guy is a good lynch candidate.

Darth: Seems to have an active interest in solving this game. I'd say he's town.

Rayne: A disruptive troll that obviously hasn't been reading the thread and obviously doesn't have very much useful to say. Idk if scum would play this poorly. However, as best I can tell it’s not something this guy normally does as town… I’d say he might be trying a different scumgame than what he’s tried in the past. I just don’t feel comfortable giving people who do this shit a free pass. If Sputnik’s modkilled I’d vigi him for sure.

In summary:
ObvTown: GK
Probably Town: Iamp, Yamato, Darth, Marv
People I’m assuming are town for now: Blazinghand, Grush
Slight Townreads: Wave, Vayne, Stutters
Afk/modkill territory: Sputnik
Scumlist: Spicy, JarJar, Dandel, Solstice, Rayne (I’d lynch in that order)

On May 22 2013 01:35 marvellosity wrote:


I'd say a 1-1 split was perhaps more likely, but a 2-0 split is certainly pretty possible.

If anyone's lynching BH because we've had a town mason flip they're doing it wrong, it's circumstancial evidence at best.

On May 22 2013 01:39 WaveofShadow wrote:

He hasn't?
Did you read his drunkposting fiasco?