Hydra Mini Mafia II - Extra Nuke Edition - Page 39

On April 14 2013 19:22 raynmaster wrote:
Everyone is scummy.

On April 14 2013 00:20 raynmaster wrote:

Town Hapa isnt stupid hapa. Push on VE off a JOKE was so fucking dumb its scummy. You see in Newbie 30~, my scum partner did the same thing, pushed a dude off a joke. Also happened other times that I recall but not all that well.
The worse part is that Hapa KNOWS VE, and for him to push it, yeah thats bad.

Hydra names in sig please, brain not enough capacity to remember.

On April 14 2013 19:37 raynmaster wrote:

So this is not a reads post. cool.

This is how I play bro. Is it scummy or not? META!

Im confused on why I am scummy for not giving reads by MA isnt scummy. Unless its the fact that you are irritated by my one liner posts, then there isnt much I can do is there.

/oats

On April 14 2013 11:17 MockArmor wrote:

Marv dear.

I'm a simple minded man, and trying to wrap my ahead around this. Please assist.

Does the above suggest that is it extremely likely that "FT" / "JM" / "SLJ" are town.


As, I can not wrap my head around why else they would be valid NK targets worthy of discussion so early into Day1.

On April 14 2013 19:43 John Matrix wrote:

That is not a read post. You are not clearly defining a read stating why and pushing his lynch. That, like a lot of your posts on different players, is just trashing Hapa. Not committing yourself to a position is a clear theme in your filter and is scummy.

Furthermore the fact that THIS is the post that you pull from your filter to prove you are making reads/ taking stances. Just proves how much you are, in fact, not.

On April 14 2013 14:14 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Actually fuck it, I'll post the short form without proof atm; that'll have to be enough for now. If my meta reads are still shit then they're shit but that's why I wanted to hear more from GK---I'm not 100% cemented on my scumread/meta read and I was hoping GK could confirm in for me one way or another, which it hasn't.

In short, two things. At the time of be making my meta case, Mocsta had already posted a ton without calling anyone scummy; just making careful posts and not giving a solid read on anyone. This is indicative of his early game scum play from both NMM 37 and Hydra I. As town he throws out reads left and right constantly and ACTUALLY MAKES CASES to follow up with his reads and endless lines of questioning, which he hasn't done here. He votes for us here without actually even calling us scum---obviously amounts to the same thing but rubs me the wrong way.

Another random interesting meta tidbit to mention is Mocsta often enters a thread with much fanfare and hysteria, regardless of alignment (though MORE likely to do so as town.)
Hydra mini I (scum) - was there when the game started, lots of trolling, lots of joking around.
The Game (town) - replaced sandro after a day or so, lots of joking, calling people scum, whatnot.
Nomination (town) - jovial lighthearted posting style, throwing votes and shit around at game entry.
NMM 37 (scum) - Enters the thread with lighthearted tone and RNG fluff.

This game he was not around when the game started, and you'll notice he did NOT joke around at all, rather he got supersrs right from the get-go. I believe this is because entering a game late as scum, he missed the 'permissible first few hours joking-around period' and doesn't want to start fooling around when people are actually having discussion for fear he will look scummy for trying to derail. NOTE: He had NO problem joking around in the middle of The Game when he entered because he was town and had no reason to be afraid or look guilty.

Make of this case what you will for now. I might be able to expand on it further with better proof (especially since people are unlikely to go sifting through his meta themselves). CC was asking me to post this much earlier when the discussion was happening but I didn't want to derail trying to learn what I could at the time. I figure it's better out than in right now especially given thread sentiment. I'm going to attempt to study then go to bed but I might be able to check back on the thread a couple more times.

On April 14 2013 19:57 raynmaster wrote:

I thought that hapa was scummy.

Do I really have to say all this? Like cant you see that I obviously think he is scummy? Whats with your obsession with me having to say the word 'scum' or 'town'.
Reading comprehension isnt a thing anymore?

On April 14 2013 20:04 DarthPunk wrote:


In that post again you were ASKED what your reads were (because they are fucking non existent) with a question stating that hapa seemed to be your only 'read'. Then you trashed hapa. That is not good enough and is scummy. You are not pushing cases or candidates, your scum hunting doesn't exist and if in fact you think the WHOLE TOWN IS SCUMMY then why is it so difficult for you to make reads or cases and why are the only 'reads' we get useless shit that only occurs when prompted?

-DP

On April 14 2013 20:04 DarthPunk wrote:


In that post again you were ASKED what your reads were (because they are fucking non existent) with a question stating that hapa seemed to be your only 'read'. Then you trashed hapa. That is not good enough and is scummy. You are not pushing cases or candidates, your scum hunting doesn't exist and if in fact you think the WHOLE TOWN IS SCUMMY then why is it so difficult for you to make reads or cases and why are the only 'reads' we get useless shit that only occurs when prompted?

-DP

On April 14 2013 17:23 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Actually rather explain your read on Touchey. Besides what I noted earlier, their activity has remained low and I don't like the comment about me having a 0% track record on him. It's a) not true (in chrono I was initially, but not in the end wrong about him) b) a claim mafia from my experience is more likely to make.

On April 14 2013 20:02 MockArmor wrote:
I am still waiting for specifically what is your problem. It has been expressed quite clearly where our transition of thought with Hapa occurred. You are the one who has made no effort to quantify your question in a manner which will elicit the response you ?seek?.

This is plain silly, and indicative of someone making a lazy read by request.
I came into the thread, saying how shit it is. People were too emotional; and too spammy. So, you are calling me scum for trying to bring the thread back to a modicum of decency. Is that correct?
Further, my lines of questions, whether to Rayn, yourself, or whoever; clearly indicate a mindset attempting to figure out alignments.

So you have elucidated that Mocsta, whether town or scum, is more than capable of being "loud". Considering none of the examples above correlate with a "serious" Mocsta; where is the connection for this to be scum. Why are you trying so hard to meld together "tells" as purely indicative of scum; and not actually trying to devine a genuine alignment - that considers town or scum motivation?

This is already debunked by my response above; as you immediately jump to a scum conclusion.

One fact you seem to not have incorporated in any of your heuristics is that this game is a HYDRA.
Thus, I, nor many of the others will be posting to our prototypical meta.
We have someone else to bounce our reads off / discuss thread sentiment etc. This *should* allow for a much more levle-headed, critical thinking playstyle.

The items you accuse me of above; in which you instantly force yourself to scum conclusions. Ironically I believe point out a mindset much more indicative of tonie rationalisation and thought.

Whilst I appreciate the effort to take acountability.
This "case" is extremely weak; and does not read with the conviction of someone who has critically thought about the player in question.

CC; I still wait your feedback on Raynmaster.

On April 14 2013 20:09 FiveTouch wrote:


Er... can we have some, like, clarity on who is being called what? I had assumed I/VE were being referred to as "Touchey" and the like, but apparently this is referring to FondleMyButtocks. Cue me wasting my time to see if our filter contained anything to do with syllo's reads on me because that made no sense to me.

Anyways, rayn seems to be a pretty hot topic at the moment. I got a kinda townie feeling from him with his stupid/dumb read of being suspicious of VE's reaction to the 'nuke'. I pressed him on it a few times, and it felt like he was legitimately trying to explain it to me rather than just saying it for the sake of saying it, even though it's nonsense.

~marv

On April 14 2013 18:30 raynmaster wrote:
I feel that MA is misinterpreting WoC's push on him and that WoC looks like he wants to find out MA's alignment but MA isnt doing any of that sort himself. He is so closed up and prickly. No jokes and shit.

On April 14 2013 20:13 raynmaster wrote:

Thats not the point of DP's case and his reasoning on why he thinks im scummy. Why are you still living in the past?
Comment on current ongoings, dont be like palmar please.
What do you think of his random long post btw and the reads he expressed?

On April 14 2013 20:13 MockArmor wrote:

Im curious about how this conclusion was derived.

Im not going to argue you about WoC trying to ascertain MA alignment. - That is your opinion.

But I would like to know why you are confident stating I was not trying to ascertain WoC alignment.

Your last sentence, gives me the impression you concur with WoC meta on me; whereby, serious Mocsta indicates scum. Correct?

On April 14 2013 20:11 raynmaster wrote:
Mocsta, what is your infatuation with saying how something could be townie as well? Practically everything a townie posts can be construed as scummy and practically everything a scum posts can be construed as townie. That is basically the basis for your argument, 'why do you not look at the town perspective???'. Why dont you tell us the town perspective?

You still didnt answer why townies want to withhold reads btw.

On April 14 2013 20:09 FiveTouch wrote:


Er... can we have some, like, clarity on who is being called what? I had assumed I/VE were being referred to as "Touchey" and the like, but apparently this is referring to FondleMyButtocks. Cue me wasting my time to see if our filter contained anything to do with syllo's reads on me because that made no sense to me.

Anyways, rayn seems to be a pretty hot topic at the moment. I got a kinda townie feeling from him with his stupid/dumb read of being suspicious of VE's reaction to the 'nuke'. I pressed him on it a few times, and it felt like he was legitimately trying to explain it to me rather than just saying it for the sake of saying it, even though it's nonsense.

~marv