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On April 05 2013 00:17 marvellosity wrote: I like this playerlist a lot. I'm even gonna make friendly with Tunkeg. You make a boy so happy, will you have my babies (Junior style)? | ||
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I have read through the thread once and this is how I see things: "Lynch Ace" have been the only real discussion in game thus far. Of course we don't lynch Ace from being abit inactive in the start of day one. And while iamp is clearly overdoing his push towards Ace, I feel like he is doing it in a towny way, he is doing it to apply pressure. His case is shit, the pressure will probably be naught to Ace, but I feel his intentions are right. The rest of the votes on Ace are obvious joke votes, except WoS vote, which concerns me abit. He is just sheeping marv and giving a horrible reason for wanting to lynch him. I see more scum motive for the way WoS have handled Ace than what iamp have done. raynpelikoneet is the one liner king of this game. I hate how he have played all the way up until his last post before leaving (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=13#254). If he hadn't posted that last one, I would have seen his play as scummy. Besides this there isn't a whole lot to comment on. There is a bunch of players who haven't contributed much (myself included) who need to get in to the game and start playing. | ||
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On April 06 2013 00:45 Oatsmaster wrote: How do you propose we create more content? Like you seem to be complaining and you admit you are part of the problem, SO what do you want to fix it? Read on Sciberia everybody? Why do you not want to lynch him everyone who doesnt want to lynch him? Lol, give me a break man. I haven't been able to play until now. Start time in the middle of the night here, and then work after. And where the fuck am I complaining? I just gave my initial read on the game, the only thing slightly close to complaining is the "Damn these games get alot of pages quick". What is even the purpose of your post? Is it to get me fucking annoyed from the get go? | ||
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On April 06 2013 00:48 marvellosity wrote: By the way, Tunkeg. You've not played with Oats before. He's probably gonna shout at you a lot, don't take it personally :p Noted. Can't promise you that I won't get pissed off though. I will try, but I can't promise. | ||
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On April 06 2013 01:01 Oatsmaster wrote: How is this not complaining? DUDES YOU POSTED SO USELESS STUFF. I want you to answer my question, not to get annoyed. What? I dont feel how I generated this hostility. Mocsta 2.0? It is not complaining, it is just an observation. What question do you want me to answer? How we get more content? We get more content from discussing what have happend in thread. Usefull stuff, not things like how do you propose we get more content. I don't know where you are going with this, so I'll just leave it at that. | ||
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Who do you want to lynch besides Ace? Please provide some reasoning why as well. | ||
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On April 06 2013 01:17 marvellosity wrote: Here's an idea Oats. Tell him why you want to lynch scib, and ask him if he agrees or disagrees, and why. Go! :> On April 06 2013 01:22 Oatsmaster wrote: By your command Marv. This is why I want to lynch scib Do you agree/disagree and WHY? I am null on you, as I said to people earlier, prove why this is not noob town and in fact is scum. No one has done that and everyone has dropped it. Earlier, I said that again, Im null on Ace, as far as I know he does this with both alignments, but the longer he goes without a coherent push in any direction, the more solid my read gets on him. So if I follow you you want to lynch sciberbia for: - Trying to start a discussion on optimal town strategy regarding length of days - Posting a couple of questions to marv and rayn This because you lable both these posts as useless and fillers. My take is: His posts are made early on day one, and I don't see that his posts are any worse or any better than other posts made at the same time. I can't read any allignement indicative things from his posts thus far. So I would say I disagree with you. He is a null read to me. He needs to post more, thats all. | ||
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On April 06 2013 01:50 Oatsmaster wrote: DID YOU EVEN READ THE POSTS? The point is that the 'discussion' he started was horrible, of course longer days are better and of course too long days are bad although with non newbies I dont really think thats an issue. So he is scum cause he wants to LOOK like he is contributing but he didnt actually want to help town. The questions are not even meant to elicit a proper response, they are questions to try and get the subject, in this case, marv angry and DISRUPT the thread like BH. When this is his only contribution, Its looking really bad. Wow I wish I could read the game like you do, I can see it clearly, sciberbia is totally scum now............ NOT. While I agree that the discussion he attempted to start is useless, I have seen more townies try to start a random discussion to get the thread going than scumies. I see just as much town motivation for trying to starrt up a discussion as that as scum motivation. The question are reasonable questions, I don't see them as clearly scummotivated. The only thing that is the slightest scummy about sci is his lack of follow up... | ||
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My bad. You want to lynch marv for being lazy and apathic. Pure meta. I think that one is way worse than your Ace push. It adds nothing to the game. The reasoning is thin, and it don't pressure marv to do anything. It adds nothing for the rest of us to take a stance on. It is just nothingness. Son, you let me down... :/ | ||
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Will you help an illiterate by sumarize it then? | ||
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On April 06 2013 02:13 sciberbia wrote: Any thoughts on what I said about Oats? Agree/disagree with my points? Do you guys think he is scum? On April 06 2013 02:00 sciberbia wrote: iamperfection I don't think the suspicion on iamperfection is warranted. I'm leaning town on him based on the attention he drew to himself early in the game. First of all, he drew attention to himself by consistently pushing Ace as a serious lynch and making a big deal out. He also confronts various other people like rayn, dp, prplhz, marv + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 10:43 iamperfection wrote: i was pretty clear on why ace is scummy. list right now your lack of reading comprehension is concerning but you seem interested at least so ill put you down as stupid town for now. On April 05 2013 11:37 iamperfection wrote: so would you rather i sit here with my thumb up my ass. On April 05 2013 11:42 iamperfection wrote: and if thats the case dp why did you bother to post at all? On April 05 2013 21:42 iamperfection wrote: why does it look like ace isnt get lynched? what has he done to make you think he is not scum? Why are you being passive? Why are you not pushing for what you want? why am i forced to ask these questions? are you scum? Also, note the timestamps on his posts. Many them are multi-line, confrontational posts (which actually say something) literally written within a minute of the quote that he is responding to. Even when he is under pressure from Palmar/marv, he is very spontaneous. According to Oats, Iamp hasn't played scum in a while, and I doubt whether he'd be confident enough in his scum play to be so spontaneous, aggressive, and attention-drawing right out the gate. I'm not sure how I feel about the point brought up by Palmar/marv that his push on Ace feels too energetic. I agree the vigor he shows is odd, but overall I feel he is more likely to be town for it for reasons I stated above. Oatsmaster My best guess at scum right now is Oatsmaster. His first three posts immediately caught my attention because they were all piggy-backing off things already said in the thread, and all contributed to a negative town-atmosphere. + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 14:06 Oatsmaster wrote: holy fucking shit like 9 pages of inane banter. Im not treating any of rayn's posts as serious attempts to get anyone lynched. no reads :/ On April 05 2013 14:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn, Give at least like a paragraph with reasoning before you ask others. WHY DONT YOU LYNCH WOS? HUHUHHUUH!!!. On April 05 2013 16:33 Oatsmaster wrote: WHY WOULD YOU POST THEN? Did you at least skim the thread? I think scum often want to promote the idea early D1 that there is nothing to go on and that town is playing badly etc, so this is a bit suspicious to me. Also, I don't like that I think each and every sentence of his first three posts was echoing a previous thought in the thread made by somebody else. Seems like a very safe way to start the game. The rest of his filter is ok but I don't feel like he is trying especially hard to figure out the game. He's been in the thread a long time, but a lot of his posts are off-topic or don't really go anywhere. It also bothers slightly that he originally stated he had "no reads". Then when asked to look at my filter, he said that all three of my posts looked scummy to him and now he thinks I am scum. So either he -- just glossed over the thread before stating that he had no reads -- changed his mind on my 3 posts from null to significantly scummy on second look I don't think a townie is especially likely to do either. Oats, maybe you can explain which it is here. I certantly think oats is playing a very strange game, and I find his style somewhat disruptive. I think his case on you is based off of nothing. On the other hand he is very confrontational, and is attracting alot of attention to himself. I have seen players like marv and VE do this as scum, but apart from that I have not seen many scumplayers do this. I know nothing of oats meta though, so I wouldn't know if he got the cahones to pull this of. Anyone who know him, who got an input here? | ||
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prplhz and DarthPunk should answer this as well. | ||
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Another one I find disruptive as fuck is Oats. But I can't read him for shit, his posts are so strange that the only thing I have managed to read from him is that he want Sci lynched, and that he is superaggressive. The problem though is that I see no direction on his aggression, he is just lashing out at everyone. I am starting leaning scum on him as well, but not as much as rayn. Then you got WaveofShadow. His entire filter is just completely nonsense. His vote on Ace, and the way he backed out of that vote later just seems so strange. The way his post are formated, they are long as fuck, but say so very little. To me it seems very much like he is posting just to appear active. He is the player I find most scummy thus far, and if I were to lynch someone right now, it would be him. ##Vote: WaveofShadow | ||
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On April 06 2013 19:30 Palmar wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Sciberbia I think this is the direction I want to go in. Could you at least give us some reasoning? | ||
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On April 06 2013 20:02 marvellosity wrote: I might as well say it given I alluded to it; I think a WoS red-flip heavily implicates sciberbia as red. Which is an underneath reason why I want to lynch WoS today. Could you elaborate? Is it these posts you find incriminating? On April 06 2013 06:47 sciberbia wrote: @WoS + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far? I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits. You do seem to be inviting Axle to give his opinion on rayn's alignment, so I think rayn's summary of your post was fair. On the other hand, Axle did seem to have misinterpreted your intentions, but I don't see why bad reading comprehension is suspicious in and of itself. I highly doubt he intentionally lied about what you said. Also, do you actually want to lynch Ace today? Just because you think he is good at scum? On April 06 2013 08:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Are you worried or something? Iamp's wasn't a random joke vote either. If you're going to start saying something then come out and say it; what about me being the only person on your 'wagon' concerns you, and what about Oats' posting concerns you specifically? And Marv as to me drawing any conclusions, I don't have any right now but I find it suspect that two people both manage to look wrongly into my posting in the exact same way. It's not even like my filter was particularly hard to read or anything; I had 3 POSTS at the time. I didn't change my vote or mention lynching at all in regards to Rayn, he just took it and went: "HE WANTS TO KILL ME HE MUST BE SCUM!!!!" One more thing regarding prplhz that I wanted to mention in case anyone finds it interesting: of all of his one liners manage to be soft defenses (except for maybe the last posts regarding Axle). Soft defense of Axle. Soft defense of Ace. Soft defense of me. Soft defenses rub me the wrong way. I'm assuming by the vote and what can now barely be constituted as pressure that Axle is prplhz's primary scumread but I'd really like to know why. On April 06 2013 09:07 sciberbia wrote: @WoS I don't know if you missed my last post, but.. First of all, as a point of fact, rayn didn't misinterpret your post in the same way Axle did. You posted this, where you ask Axle if he thinks rayn is worth paying attention to. + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far? I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits. And rayn summarised your post as 'asking Axle if we should kill rayn', which I think is a fair (although exaggerated) summary. Moving on, Your stance on Ace is confusing. Maybe you could communicate it better. First, marv made a troll vote on Ace. You jumped on the bandwaggon and voted Ace. How serious was this vote? Clearly it's not THAT serious because you are talking a lot about prplhz and rayn and not pushing an ace lynch. On the other hand, it is clearly at least somewhat serious because you said you stand by it. But if it's somewhat serious, why did you say "I'm with marv on this one" when it was clear marv was just trolling? Do you really think a policy lynch of Ace is in town's best interests? I'm confused. Help me out here. On April 06 2013 10:01 WaveofShadow wrote: I didn't miss your last post. If that's Rayn's summary of my post it's terrible because I specifically state that I don't want to pay him any mind, I just wanted to hear Axle's opinion of him, which I (sort of) got. How that = lynch I have no idea but you seem to think is somewhat justified. Whatever. As for Ace, fine, you caught me I suppose. Not the most serious vote around but I must say considering all the reverence people seem to show him it does scare me that we haven't seen anything useful from him yet and people are willing to let him go under the pretense of 'joke pressure.' I guess though it may not make sense to consider policy lynching him as I've heard suggested before if I haven't seen him at work myself. A half-serious vote you can call it I guess, but since iamp/marv left I can't hope to generate any more discussion or anything from Ace himself, it seems. ##Unvote: Ace I could vote prplhz, but how can I be sure that isn't just his 'typical play' as Oats previously told me? On April 06 2013 12:48 sciberbia wrote: He seems less so in his red team filter; he explained his reads more at any rate. I don't really know what to make of his many impulsive votes, but I suspect he just likes attention. Ace, what do you think about WoS in light of his most recent posts? Is he scum? Why or why not? On April 06 2013 13:10 sciberbia wrote: Nowhere in WoS's filter does he state any kind of scumread on you. He claims to have originally voted you as a half-serious policy lynch with the half-serious logic that you are very good at scum but can be a liability as town. He also says he thinks its a shame that people are content to let you do nothing because that is what you supposedly do on d1 as either alignment. But he doesn't state a scumread. Does that affect your read? Because I can totally see what you mean here. Given that your assumption is correct, that they are both scum, then the first 4 posts would mean that sci is helping WoS out of his "Ace-trouble" by asking him easy questions for him to change stances. And in the last 2 posts he is soft-defending him. But I am not sure if I like you lining up the lynches like that. I think this might be a town Sci having a wrong read on a scum WoS. | ||
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On April 06 2013 20:30 marvellosity wrote: It's a combination of sciberbia not mentioning WoS for a very long time, and then seemingly giving WoS an out as you mention. I'm curious how you're standing so firmly against Palmar on sciberbia, normally you respect his judgement quite a lot. I do, I allways value the opinions of players I think is good over the opinions of those less good. At least I do when the players are playing, and not trolling, and Palmar seem to be playing here. But I am also of the opinion that the good players and the veterans should be treated the same as the rest. Meaning I will not uncritically follow their judgement. In this case it means I will not sheep Palmar and change my opinions, but instead I will go back and reevaluate my stance on sci. I will be more critical to my own judgement. I have done this, and I am still seing sci's post as more townmotivated than scummotivated. | ||
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I will leave you with this. Lynch WoS. Why? - His entry into thread is just total bullshit. He claims town, he tries to engage in a meaningless discussion with sci about optimal townplay, and last and most important he votes for Ace in a horrible way. Two first parts of his post looks to me like he is just trying to be active, last part looks like he is trying to join a bandwagon with absolute crap reason. + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 09:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Phew. Real happy I rolled town this time around; I feel really bad for whoever is on my scumteam when I roll mafia for the first time. Scib, is there no limit in this game as to how long a cycle lasts? If so I could see extending the day being a benefit to town but it really depends on the activity level in general. And Palmar one entry-post example does not a meta-case make. I'll go with marv on this one: I hear scum Ace is terrifying and last game he was town we wasted a lot of time on him and mislynched him in the end anyway. ##Vote: Ace - He is softpushing a target that have mention him as one of his scumreads. He does this by trying to make other take stances on him, perhaps to make them be the wagonpushers? By the end it looks like rayn is his main target but he refuses to push for him, he sticks with Ace. Very strange to me. + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far? I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits. On April 05 2013 12:14 WaveofShadow wrote: Rayn's filter is now 3 pages long and it is 3 hours into the game. This is inexcusable in my opinion, as is his constant inane shitposting. From this point forward unless he changes his methodology I will hereby be ignoring any and all 'contributions' he has made. I'm not sure what other people's opinions are regarding him but I really don't feel like entertaining this kind of baseless annoying bullshit, so discuss with him and give him a forum if you must but I will take no part in it. DP, welcome to the thread. You've mentioned you have no reads thus far; I can appreciate that. Anything to add at all regarding Ace? On April 06 2013 01:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Thanks Oats. And while I have mentioned I don't want to entertain rayn in any way, my desire to assist the town by forming coherent reads on me trumps my dislike for him. Plus it's technically answering a question from marv anyway. The first half of Rayn's ridiculous filter where he talks about how scummy I am is literally him saying "LOOK AT HOW SCUMMY HE IS DID YOU JUST READ HIS POST HERP DERP" without even offering any explanation of his own. I don't know in what world people seem to think spamming of that sort is actually useful or town-aligned in any way, but whatever. Like, he switches from scib to me to iamp and back to me to Axle AND THEN BACK TO ME in the span of 3 hours and offers no proper explanation for ANY of those switches. Clearly he doesn't expect us to take him seriously, but that in itself isn't exactly town-aligned---as town you want your votes and reasoning to be heard and recognized as scumhunting, not seen as useless spam. The second half of his filter is him picking a line or two from my posts and saying "THIS IS SCUMMY, HEY EGO MM PLAYER #XX, WHAT DO YOU THINK?" Useless, shitposting, means nothing once again. With that rationale anyone can take any line from anyone's filter, point it out and ask someone better than them what they think and call that scumhunting. This is the best thing Rayn has posted to date: His reasoning where he compares himself to me at the end is laughable since as I pointed out earlier his earlier scumreads are based on literally NOTHING. This is the only 'case' of any real substance he has posted thus far so having the balls to call someone scum means absolutely nothing to me coming from him. As far as his reasoning to why I'm scummy for voting Ace? I stand by it. I have been told that Ace is one of those players who you're apparently supposed to just kill if he's still alive at some point. Ok, maybe this doesn't mean we kill him D1 but it does mean that if he is scum, as a fairly new player who has barely played with Ace I should be afraid of him. As far as Rayn suggesting that I'm saying we kill every strong player because if they're scum they are scary, I don't say that anywhere, but it does seem to be the rationale on which some later lynches on strong players are based. Maybe Rayn should look up the people he's playing with a little. As far as sheeping Marv goes, good for you, Rayn, you pointed out what I already pointed out. Want a cookie? Basing a scumread he has pushed so crazily on 3 posts 3 hours into D1 is not a strong scumread by any means and it just shows Rayn's ability to critically think essentially amounts to him reading some sort of 'Scum for Dummies' guide, pointing out some seemingly obvious tells and frantically screaming at everyone else to look at his seemingly obvious tells he pointed out. I'm not going to go so far as OMGUS on Rayn because I as well find it really difficult to believe scum would play this awfully, but I guess we'll see if a more coherent Rayn enters the thread. I am not concerned by his 'scumread' of me in the slightest, but I am more concerned by others,' however. Marv why is it you said you wanted to kill me based on Rayn's posts? - He proceeds to skip his entire attempted wagon on rayn and goes straight for prplhz. Again he attempts to get a wagon rolling, but ends up not voting for him after no one jumps on the wagon. + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 02:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Since no mention has been given to him so far, I have a scumread on prplhz. His filter is entirely opportunistic one-liners where he offers nothing concrete in terms of scumreads, he literally poses a random question then disappears for a while. This does not constitute scumhunting to me. On April 06 2013 02:55 WaveofShadow wrote: I've never played with prplhz before so I didn't know that. So in these other games he plays, does he ever do anything useful or is this how he decides to play the game and people just leave him alone? On April 06 2013 08:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Are you worried or something? Iamp's wasn't a random joke vote either. If you're going to start saying something then come out and say it; what about me being the only person on your 'wagon' concerns you, and what about Oats' posting concerns you specifically? And Marv as to me drawing any conclusions, I don't have any right now but I find it suspect that two people both manage to look wrongly into my posting in the exact same way. It's not even like my filter was particularly hard to read or anything; I had 3 POSTS at the time. I didn't change my vote or mention lynching at all in regards to Rayn, he just took it and went: "HE WANTS TO KILL ME HE MUST BE SCUM!!!!" One more thing regarding prplhz that I wanted to mention in case anyone finds it interesting: of all of his one liners manage to be soft defenses (except for maybe the last posts regarding Axle). Soft defense of Axle. Soft defense of Ace. Soft defense of me. Soft defenses rub me the wrong way. I'm assuming by the vote and what can now barely be constituted as pressure that Axle is prplhz's primary scumread but I'd really like to know why. -His cop out retreat from voting Ace. Claiming his vote was half assed, and only there to produce pressure. But why on earth would he keep his vote on him for that long, and defending his stance on it, after all the pressure votes and joke votes had gone?? His excuse to why he voted Ace in the first place rubs me in the wrong way. + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 10:01 WaveofShadow wrote: I didn't miss your last post. If that's Rayn's summary of my post it's terrible because I specifically state that I don't want to pay him any mind, I just wanted to hear Axle's opinion of him, which I (sort of) got. How that = lynch I have no idea but you seem to think is somewhat justified. Whatever. As for Ace, fine, you caught me I suppose. Not the most serious vote around but I must say considering all the reverence people seem to show him it does scare me that we haven't seen anything useful from him yet and people are willing to let him go under the pretense of 'joke pressure.' I guess though it may not make sense to consider policy lynching him as I've heard suggested before if I haven't seen him at work myself. A half-serious vote you can call it I guess, but since iamp/marv left I can't hope to generate any more discussion or anything from Ace himself, it seems. ##Unvote: Ace I could vote prplhz, but how can I be sure that isn't just his 'typical play' as Oats previously told me? - In the end he proceed to post more nothingness, and even some snide remarks about rayn. He have since been MIA, and haven't even come back to defend himself, even though by now USA should be waking up. This is the guy to lynch today. I give you the Tunkeg guarantee that he is scum. | ||
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He gives us some weak shit about how he don't like sci defending him, and comments on the retreat from Ace. He even says "I still don't like him but since it was obvious that an Ace lynch wasn't going anywhere my already defending my vote on him would look scummy basically any time I decided to change my vote, so whatever." Clearly contradicting him saying his vote on Ace was not the most serious. And more concerning he says he retracted his vote because it would make him look scummy!!?!?!?! Really, you base your actions and your votes on what makes you look scummy or not. Like really? Isn't there anyone else that gets a creepy feeling from sentences like that? + Show Spoiler + On April 07 2013 03:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Let me address a couple other things just to clear it up since I'm on the chopping block (as it can happen any second): I am aware Scib gave me an easy out with regards to my vote on Ace and I took it. I still don't like him though but since it was obvious that an Ace lynch wasn't going anywhere, my already defending my vote on him would look scummy basically any time I decided to change my vote, so whatever. As for my meta being different between this and basically every other game I've been in....the only real difference is my activity. I even commented on that in the postgame of The Game I think; not going to be spammy anymore and I'll talk and make reads when I feel they're necessary. Change in playstyle doesn't indicate scum. All you vets especially who have to smurf because of exactly this reason, you should be well aware of this. Lynch away if you will. On April 06 2013 10:01 WaveofShadow wrote: I didn't miss your last post. If that's Rayn's summary of my post it's terrible because I specifically state that I don't want to pay him any mind, I just wanted to hear Axle's opinion of him, which I (sort of) got. How that = lynch I have no idea but you seem to think is somewhat justified. Whatever. As for Ace, fine, you caught me I suppose. Not the most serious vote around but I must say considering all the reverence people seem to show him it does scare me that we haven't seen anything useful from him yet and people are willing to let him go under the pretense of 'joke pressure.' I guess though it may not make sense to consider policy lynching him as I've heard suggested before if I haven't seen him at work myself. A half-serious vote you can call it I guess, but since iamp/marv left I can't hope to generate any more discussion or anything from Ace himself, it seems. ##Unvote: Ace I could vote prplhz, but how can I be sure that isn't just his 'typical play' as Oats previously told me? He also lists a bunch of townies, and pretty much lable everyone townies. It is not contributing at all, at least he should give us the courtesy of listing his scumreads, with reasoning. Not just randomly throw out a 2-3 names in the end. He is very close to lynch, he should make his reads available to us, not just do some halfassed like this. + Show Spoiler + On April 07 2013 03:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh I figure I may as well give you a little more to go on since you're all pretty dead-set on killing me. I don't like the idea of scib hard-defending me either., I'm thinking he's taking a page from kita's book in The Game where he's trying to get me to give him a townread so that he looks real good when I flip. Null for now but defs keep an eye on him. Personally all the business with Oats/DP/iamp/whoever just seems to me like townies going at townies. DP seems very town to me sepcifically. In this game I think scum are much more likely to be in the lurky category. Prplhz and Ace/Axle? He throws in some random comment about his meta in his defense, when the case against him really don't mention meta at all. It is in the first quote I posted. Overall a very unconvincing defense. Consisting of contradictions and without any justifications of his actions. When people drops off his wagon he steps it up abit, going from defeated to a bit more agressive stance on prplhz. Nothing I wouldn't expect from a scum just escaping the noose. But the remaining posts he does before he goes to bed doesn't impress me. My vote stays on WoS, and I got no clue why all of you jumped ship as soon as he made just the tiniest attempt at defending himself. I think something is rotten in the state of Denmark... | ||
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Now that I am the only one on your case. I will provide you with an out. Of course you can take the scummy way out and ignore me completely, as the pressure on you evaporated, but don't, I will nail you to the wall for it. The out is: Write a convincing case on prplhz with a structure that even I can comprehend, where you summarize what is scummy about him and provide quotes or references to posts. You are free to write it on someone else instead. My point is I want a scumread from you with an analysis behind, and not just some random lines. To the rest of you stay the fuck away from this, I want WoS to do it for obvious reasons! | ||
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On April 07 2013 17:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Hmm. That is interesting. What do you think of Tunkeg after his 'hammer' on WoS? Tunkeg, do you think its more likely that you are right, or that Marv/Palmar/Ace is wrong? What kind of silly question is this?? Of course I think it is more likely that I am right. If not I wouldn't be keeping my vote on WoS right? I know why I want to lynch WoS, I don't know why they don't (What is their agenda? Aren't they seeing what I am? Is there something they see that I don't, etc etc). I cannot play this game and follow others judgement over my own. | ||
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On April 07 2013 17:25 DarthPunk wrote: To me you are a bad townie. Perhaps to marv. I don't think the meta evidence of him defending you is enough. ESPECIALLY if it has been discussed previously. Sheeping is fine. Rewording a two sentence post buried in a vote for another person and not saying anything original and then refusing to discuss the reason for a vote where he doesn;t even MENTION the person he is voting for is not. Also most of the case against sciberbia was an association with WoS who he is now not voting for. About the WoS unvote; It was really obvious to all the good players that WoS was looking more and more townie. Marv would have got demolished if he had done anything BUT unvote at that point. simply because he should have known better. There are conventions after you play for a while were good players almost have to respond to certain things a certain way or they are claiming scum. Enlighten me, what exactly was it that WoS did that in your eyes made him look more and more townie? Also drop the bullshit with good players know that this is how it is, this is just a shit defense, where you take your opinion on something and make it out like that is the truth and anyone who isn't a retard should think the same. | ||
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On April 07 2013 17:39 Oatsmaster wrote: The word is sheep. Like how in the world are you seeing that WoS is scum after that? Its his first scum game if so, and I dont think he is that good. How good were you in your first scum game? I am no sheep. Sheeps should ask for the obsthread instead... Read my post, and you see why I think he is scum. There is nothing fancy in his defense. I have been close to being lynched day one in many games, and my post have been sincere and I have given the thread all that I got on everyone. His last posts are constructed so horrible bad, and gives the town nothing to build on if he dies. He just regurgitates the same names he have been talking about before with NO REASONING behind it. It is an attempt to wiggle his way out of a lynch without giving away anything. | ||
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He haven't even bothered answering my call out to him, and haven't even bothered to make a singular attempt at making one good case on prplhz! He is basicly in the thread doing nothing!!! Tell me what I can do to convince you guys that he is scum? Because I am certain he is! And frankly I am great at catching scum (no matter what you believe/I am just bad at pushing them). I very rarely have my vote on someone that isn't scum, the only exceptions are when I get agitated at someone and let my anger cloud my judgement. I am in no way angry at WoS, I have read and analysed him with an open mind, I have reevaluated my stance on him (comming to the same conclusion as before), and I am certain, 100 % that he is scum. I know some of you think I am a clown who can't play this fucking game, well, if I am wrong here you can go back to thinking I am just a shit player, but I am not, and you will credit me for this lynch. WoS is my wagon, and my lynch. Now get on it! You will thank me later! | ||
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On April 08 2013 04:42 prplhz wrote: i'm here You have the vote on the right player. So help me push it! | ||
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On April 08 2013 04:51 WaveofShadow wrote: You're wrong, and I'm not getting lynched today. I could revert back to a lynch on Ace, marv/Palmar since I am less sure of prplhz now as per my reasoning earlier. I don't know if you'd call scib not voting me a 'save' per se, but no he did not vote for me if I remember correctly. You will get lynched today if I have anything to say! And what kind of ludicriss silly defense is this??!?! You thought you could just sweep my aggression under the rug, and you thought you could ignore my request. Now here we are, and I will push you like a mad man. | ||
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On April 08 2013 04:59 marvellosity wrote: Although I am kinda tempted just to sheep Tunkeg as well, if my ego lets me. I dunno. Ball is kinda in your court, Palmar. DO IT! | ||
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Seems like I was dead wrong about WoS, him hammering his own teammate is not very likely. | ||
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That the deadline suddenly was set to the middle of the night here, and the fact that I can't stick around and play for more than a couple of hours at a time, and probably no more than 3-4 hours a day max, essentially gave me an hour and a half at max before I had to go to bed to do something. I was set on WoS for scum, and had that as my only option to a no-lynch. But yeah, lynch me or vig me or whatever, my read on WoS was clearly shit (or he is playing me like a fool with that hammer). | ||
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I will not just throw my vote on anyone to secure a lynch (if I have somewhat of a scumread, then yeah, but in this case no). I will not vote to please the rest of you, I will vote for my targets. The rest of you can go Baaaaaahahah Baahaahha, all you want. | ||
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On April 09 2013 00:40 marvellosity wrote: Right, and that's the nub of it. The connection stuff isn't very relevant, they just happen to be the 2 people I think are mafia. I know we got our history, but I didn't think you considered me a complete retard. I would never ever in a million years leave the thread like that if Ace was my scumbuddy. If he was I would 100% leave an easy vote on him, to appear townie as fuck when he flipped scum. Or at least have pleased the rest of you by going with the flow, even though Ace didn't get lycnhed. You are free to call me Retardo from now on, if you truly believe that. | ||
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On April 09 2013 00:57 marvellosity wrote: Tunkeg, all I really want from you is a person/people you want to lynch and why, not for you to explain your actions. Well the way you guys misinterpret my actions I kind of had to. For who I want to lynch you will have to wait. Because I will need to rethink and reread stuff. Before the Axle lynch I'd probably say I would go for someone like Oats, prplhz or rayn. But now that Axle flipped red, and WoS hammered I need to reread. | ||
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Well that I explained. When it is 23.00 here I need to get to bed. I need my 7 hours of sleep. | ||
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On April 09 2013 22:30 Palmar wrote: Yeah of course. This means that something is wrong and I need to find out what it is, which kinda sucks as I'm a big fan of random killings. Ace did point a finger at Oats multiple times on day 1, so that lends some credence to that theory. I also need to go back and look at everyone from day 1. reyn still feels like the most likely guy to be on the bus wagon, and tunkeg does not look too good. So why am I not looking good again? For not putting my vote on scumbuddy Ace before going to bed? Oh, yeah, I forgot you guys rushed out of the gates and killed him, and he was town. I think you are looking shittier and shittier to be honest. You jumped the bandwagon early on Axle, while claiming it had shit chances to succeed, softdefending and bussing at the same time, you led the town to a crap lynch on Ace, and now you are going after me. To be honest you have been wrong as fuck in this game, and as I allways say, a bad Palmar is a scum Palmar. | ||
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On April 10 2013 00:41 iamperfection wrote: ya it probally should have been you. We got even more information. 1. marv was wrong 2 ace was apparently town. What more could you want. funny you call it a crap lynch i don't think there was anything crappy about it besides the result. Why should it be me? Back it up, or SHUT UP! Of course you don't think it was crappy, you hammered it!!! And you have been wanting Ace dead from day one. | ||
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On April 10 2013 00:48 iamperfection wrote: well maybe you should have spoke up about it if it was so crappy o wait im sorry apparently your only allowed to tunnel wos the entire game and not comment on anything else.( basically) Oh, how should I by able to speak up about it when you lynch him before I get a chance to write in thread? Maybe if you waited people like me could have spoken up about it. I haven't tunneled WoS since day one. And day 2 you guys shortened so much I didn't have time to comment on anything else. You can do snide remarks, but you can't justify a push on me with a case. You should go play Starcraft Mafia or something, there they lynch people at random... | ||
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On April 10 2013 00:55 sciberbia wrote: gg Ace + Show Spoiler + i feel kinda bad now for letting you die knowing that you meant that stuff you said about my wagon d1 Well I know what marv is saying in the obs qt Don't worry guys now that he isn't around to state scumreads on probable or confirmed townies (iamp, me, WoS, Ace) or state townreads on probable or confirmed scum (axle, tunkeg) I'm sure we can make some progress. At least he took a bullet that was intended for someone scum thought was actually worth shooting + Show Spoiler + sorry that's a bit mean but I think he was asking for it Anyway in all seriousness, we need to get shit done tomorrow. I think tunkeg looks even worse for the ace flip and the fact that he hasn't posted in 23 hours. And unlike with Ace, I think he is likely to be scum not only due to having townreads on nearly everyone else, but there is significant stuff about his filter I find suspicious. You should all read my N1 deadline post if you haven't already. I look worse because Ace flipped why? I haven't had one single fucking townread on anyone this game. I love when you people try to misrepresent me. But bring your case. It is at least more than what the rest who wants me dead are doing. | ||
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On April 10 2013 00:58 iamperfection wrote: lol what stopped you from speaking about ace earlier? He was a major topic of discussion and you only mentioned him in passing. I mentioned I didn't want him lynched on day 1 after marv decided the only reason I didn't vote him was because I was his scumbuddy. Why the fuck would I bother discussing him day 1 when I was busy trying to get WoS lynched, and how was I suppose to talk about him yesterday when I was barely here. Maybe I could have commented on him today, but you denied that... | ||
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On April 10 2013 01:00 iamperfection wrote: also never talk down my play when you fucking martyred yourself you piece of shit. Get fucked. You suck! | ||
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On April 10 2013 01:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah yeah GET OFF HIM. You saw my post. Ignore him. Answer me. Here is an expert read for you - OATS IS SCUM! Satisfied? Now bugger off... | ||
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On April 10 2013 01:12 sciberbia wrote: tunkeg its not so much that it makes you look worse but clearly ace was not scum and everyone who DID vote axle now looks even better, no? See my recent filter. You still owe me an explanation on something. also you guys need to calm down. For one thing you're being unproductive and for another you're all gonna get yourselves modkilled. We just had ONE mislynch and as far as mislynches go it wasn't even that bad. Chill out a little~ Everyone who voted Axle doesn't look better now. Yeah he was the countwerwagon, but the lynch weren't going nowhere in a hurry on him. For instance Palmars switch is just wierd, and like really safe, in the middle of nowhere. And it gives him an insurance if Axle gets killed, he can be in the towncred gang. He is crafty enough to put his vote on Axle there as scum. What do I owe you an explanation of? | ||
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On April 10 2013 01:14 iamperfection wrote: When you said this tunkeg you lost all credibility we should have just lynched you immediately after saying this. Yeah, you probably would mr Wild Bill Hickok... When I say stuff like that I am pissed off at myself. Don't you ever get down on yourself, or are you one of those who never do mistakes, and never ever are selfcritical? | ||
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On April 09 2013 04:39 sciberbia wrote: Hi Tunkeg. I'm trying to figure out your alignment. This is the post that sticks out most to me in your filter + Show Spoiler + On April 07 2013 17:22 Tunkeg wrote: @WoS - May I have your attention!! Now that I am the only one on your case. I will provide you with an out. Of course you can take the scummy way out and ignore me completely, as the pressure on you evaporated, but don't, I will nail you to the wall for it. The out is: Write a convincing case on prplhz with a structure that even I can comprehend, where you summarize what is scummy about him and provide quotes or references to posts. You are free to write it on someone else instead. My point is I want a scumread from you with an analysis behind, and not just some random lines. To the rest of you stay the fuck away from this, I want WoS to do it for obvious reasons! In particular, I want to understand what you meant by this: If WoS had done as you asked and written a case on prplhz, would that have dissuaded you from thinking WoS is scum? Yeah, I wanted him to post a case on prplhz. I wanted to challange him to see if he were up to the task. It is easy to go around saying this and that is scummy, without putting any reasoning behind it. It is hard to come up with some justification. Him writing a good case, with logical reasoning, would at least give him some serious townpoints in my book, and thats what was I meant by giving him an out. He failed to do so, he just ignored me, which in my book accounts for scumpoints. But then he goes hammering Axle, so now I don't think it is likely that he is scum. | ||
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On April 10 2013 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: So Tunkeg, who do you think is likely to be scum? We are on fucking N2 and you haven't had a single scumread besides WoS. If you think Oats is scum tell us why, that comment alone doesn't do much. I like your case on Palmar. So Palmar and Oats it is. You focus on Palmar, and I'll come back with a case on Oats on D3. | ||
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My game turned into shit quickly. What I think was the key to winning the game for town was the quick Axle wagon and lynch, at a time were both me and Oats were away and couldn't toss in an easy vote. Both of us out of that lynch gave us small chances to win it, as everyone on the Axle lynch got huge towncred. The four of us remaining who didn't vote Axle became the prime suspect and with Marv NK'ed and Ace lynched we were two obvious scummies left. When it comes to my own play, the plan was to stick to my meta, and play like I usually do. Palmar being serious and Marv being nice made me scratch that. I think my push on WoS gave me some towncred on day one. I fucked it up though by not posting any other reads and by the way I left the thread before Axle got lynched. The reason why I left the way I did was because I was hoping you would lynch Ace without me, and that I then could come into thread day 2, continuing a push on WoS and blaming the rest of you for creating the counterwagon. Axle getting lynched was something I never saw comming. If I had been around I would definately jumped on his wagon. After that I was just paralyzed I couldn't dig up one thing on anyone that I found scummy. Everyone on the Axlewagon seemed untouchable to me and Ace I couldn't push after not wanting to lynch him the day before. | ||
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On April 11 2013 21:27 wherebugsgo wrote: and again, this is ridiculous. 1, you have to come up with some sort of standard, and I guarantee you that very few people will agree on it. 2, it's discriminatory and unfair. Well it is being done in invites, and then at the hosts discretion. What is the difference between doing this and letting the host arrange the team through no rng. In both cases he have to rate the players. | ||
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On April 11 2013 21:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Because in one case it leads to setup speculation potentially killing other people and the other case doesn't. I'm tempted to host a troll mafia game sometime though and invite only the players with the worst reputation and see what happens. Yeah, and that is my point. Better to exclude than to not rng. | ||
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