EPTOn April 12 2013 01:49 Ace wrote:
But you're ignoring what actually happened. If myself or any other Townie hammers WoS on Day 1, or we let sciberbia get lynched Day 1 - both of which were close to happening this entire argument is meaningless. Looking at the end result without acknowledging how we got there and just declaring the entire scenario imbalanced is crazy
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Also saying 3 newbie scum vs a team with 3 "vets" is a bit dishonest - in this game myself, you and Palmar didn't even have as much impact as 3 or 4 other Townies. Imagine if we knew the teams were supposed to be balanced - after you flip green, then I get mislynched there is no reading of Oat's and Turnkeg's filters. Scibebria never makes his hypothesis post about the Axle wagon. No one even needs to bother re-reading the thread - lynch Palmar because of balance. That isn't Mafia play.
But you're ignoring what actually happened. If myself or any other Townie hammers WoS on Day 1, or we let sciberbia get lynched Day 1 - both of which were close to happening this entire argument is meaningless. Looking at the end result without acknowledging how we got there and just declaring the entire scenario imbalanced is crazy
. Also saying 3 newbie scum vs a team with 3 "vets" is a bit dishonest - in this game myself, you and Palmar didn't even have as much impact as 3 or 4 other Townies. Imagine if we knew the teams were supposed to be balanced - after you flip green, then I get mislynched there is no reading of Oat's and Turnkeg's filters. Scibebria never makes his hypothesis post about the Axle wagon. No one even needs to bother re-reading the thread - lynch Palmar because of balance. That isn't Mafia play.
I agree with everything said in this post. You cannot even begin to try to analyse mafia in a way that tries to account for player skill.
One important thing I think people are forgetting is that the game by definition doesn't allow players to play to their potential. A good townie on the right track gets shot and the rest of town proceeds to ignore everything he said, doesn't mean the townie deserves to lose ELO right?
now the answer is that for enough games you'd hit the true ELO anyway, but because of the complexity and inherent randomness of mafia you can never play even close to the amount of games needed to evaluate someone's true skill level.
So we make to with what we have. We use arbitrary metrics and judgement to decide player skill. But since skill varies massively even from one game to another for the same player, I honestly think balancing games is a bit silly.
