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On April 04 2013 03:50 TheRavensName wrote: Will you tell me how to pick up the ladies using my new found Mafia godlike powers? Just go up to any woman at all and say something. She will instantly think you are scum. This is woman policy. Even if you are, play like you are town. Get your wingman DT to return a town read, and build your case until you get her to ##Unvote | ||
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This should be a breeze. | ||
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On April 05 2013 02:46 iamperfection wrote: there is a clock in the top right corner..... Can't say I have ever noticed that. Why is that correct but my forum time is set to the same thing and posts are marked differently? Must be a daylight savings thing? EST versus EDT? | ||
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On April 05 2013 09:05 Rainbows wrote: THERAVENSNAME IS LURKING WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM ##Vote: TheRavensName Well that''s one way to start the game. | ||
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Obviously trying to get town to waste votes on a lurker that will most likely be mod killed at the end of the day. | ||
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That doesn't sound like much of a policy, it is more just saying use your best judgement and common sense. I wouldn't easily subscribe to any policy because you may not know if scum is behind it. | ||
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Just so you guys know my schedule I usually go to bed a little bit before the deadline. So last night I was up just for the beginning. So far I think Rainbows has done a good job of getting people to talk. I agree that you can't find scum unless you get people talking. I take issue with this post: + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 11:57 Saraf wrote: glhf Can we vote for a no-lynch in this game, or must votes be placed on individuals? Not talking policy Day 1 is bullshit. Scum know who scum are but we don't, and the only way we catch scum is by making them fuck up. Even if the policy ends up being "there is no policy", the debate drives conversation and conversation is the only reliable way we have of rooting out scum and eliminating them. Problems arise for town when scum derails the conversation, so here's some day 1 policy to chew on: In the absence of really strong reads, lynch the spammiest asshole who shits up the thread the most. Spamming the thread is a scum tactic to distract and disrupt town; even if the spammiest asshole is just some poor well-meaning fattie (who should have applied the litmus test "does this post help town?"), at the very least in Day 2 the thread will be less shit up, and it'll be easier to find scum without him shitting up the thread. Everyone hopefully will have a good reason for lynching someone. Just because they appear spammy is not reason enough IMO. We need to start looking at peoples objectives. I have already said that I think Rainbows objective was just to get people to post. It could be a front to act towny but I don't think he is a good lynch for day one. Even though I take issue with his intial post, he clears it up later by explaining what he consders spam and what he considers lots of useful posts. On April 05 2013 15:00 jrkirby wrote: So I'm worried about rainbows. I feel like he might actually be a fatty, and is just acting stupid by accusing random people for no reason. But the way he's acting is just stupid, and only helps the skinnies. And since he's just helping the skinnies I feel like I have to vote for him, because no one is acting as stupid as him. I don't want to lynch all the lurkers just yet - partially because there's 3 of them and it's a crapshot - and rainbows is the only other guy giving off that scum vibe. So until something changes, or one of the scum making a foolish post, my vote is on rainbows. The mafia are (probably) gonna kill one of us tonight, so it would be good if we at least have a chance of killing one of them tonight. It might not be rainbows but I feel like the chances are better than even. Why do you think generating discussion is only helping skinnies? That can't be enough to warrant a vote untless you are trying to pressure for more. I don't have a very good scum read on anyone ATM but jrkirby and Saraf for the quotes I posted are on my watch list. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 14:57 Moloch wrote: That was supposed to be a joke at that point. I didn't actually think he was scummy at that point. My original vote for him was a joke as well, since it was based upon him posting a lot early and not having enough time to eat pizza. But, I've kept my vote on him for a couple reasons. According to this post, he gets very defensive about about being called scum, whereas I interpreted Saraf's comment to not be calling out anyone in particular - just being the way he thought about stuff. (It's possible that I don't feel like anyone's been spammy so far affected how I interpreted it). I also don't like how he changed his vote from Smancer to someone else to quickly. He gave a reason he thought Smancer was a suspect, then just changed it to Saraf because he got overly defensive (but he had a couple posts in between Saraf labeling him and switching his vote, which makes me suspect that it wasn't a hasty vote-switch caused by emotion) I'm not certain about anyone, but Rainbows seems like the best bet at the moment. On April 05 2013 15:00 jrkirby wrote: So I'm worried about rainbows. I feel like he might actually be a fatty, and is just acting stupid by accusing random people for no reason. But the way he's acting is just stupid, and only helps the skinnies. And since he's just helping the skinnies I feel like I have to vote for him, because no one is acting as stupid as him. I don't want to lynch all the lurkers just yet - partially because there's 3 of them and it's a crapshot - and rainbows is the only other guy giving off that scum vibe. So until something changes, or one of the scum making a foolish post, my vote is on rainbows. The mafia are (probably) gonna kill one of us tonight, so it would be good if we at least have a chance of killing one of them tonight. It might not be rainbows but I feel like the chances are better than even. | ||
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I'll vote him for now, because I feel he is acting scum and trying to point fingers at the one person who actually got the thread moving toward finding scum. @Rainbows what is your read on jrkirby. | ||
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You wanted to hear from me as to why I voted Rainbows and then unvoted. How was it not absolutely clear that those were not serious votes? My read on you is that you are trying to start Drama based on nothing which is a pretty scummy thing to do. So to recap your first post in this thread is an analysis of joke votes. Your second post is just asking Warent what he thinks of Rainbow. And your third post is commenting on Rainbows giving Saraf a free pass. Furthermore you think Warrent is scummy because he hasn't been committal. But the same could be said about you. You haven't committed, you wrote a weak analysis of joke votes, and you aren't active. I don't like that you haven't actually contributed analysis on anything that hasn't been a joke. | ||
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On April 06 2013 06:12 Fishgle wrote: I too want to see some discussion about jampidampi. He's been jumping in and out, questioning people, but not really providing any opinions. Rather noncommital. Not only that, but he himself states people should be actively scumhunting, and doesn't do it himself. I don't like it. ] You actually have a really good point. Looking at his filter it is terrible. Almost every single post is posing a question to someone rather than actually contributing. I mean literally every single one is what do you think about X? Look at this: + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 15:52 jampidampi wrote: Does Rainbows behaviour make him scum in your eyes? On April 05 2013 14:05 jampidampi wrote: In what way do you like Obzy? On April 05 2013 14:20 jampidampi wrote: Moloch, in this post you calling Rainbows scum in a noncommital way (bolded by me). Do you think he is actually scummy for that post? On April 05 2013 14:38 jampidampi wrote: By that way, you are voting Rainbows. What makes hi scummy? On April 05 2013 14:54 jampidampi wrote: While Rainbows post does generate discussion, do you think it was a good way to start discussion? On April 05 2013 15:30 jampidampi wrote: Fishgle, does your post mean that you are going to sleep? Your posts so far have all been reagrding Rainbows. Any other opinions? On April 05 2013 16:08 jampidampi wrote: Warent, do you have opinions on someone not named Rainbows? | ||
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If you call whiskey and Advil PM going to bed, its more like passing out. With my huge fatness it is the only way to sleep :-) Earlier I based my case on kirby voting Rainbows. I thought Rainbows was doing a good job of getting the ball rolling and I thought jkirbys vote on him was scumy. Then he thought Rainbows was talking to him However based on the course of the night, between TRN, jamp and Rainbows I think we have a scum. The problem is to figure out who. I actually don't like Rainbows case against TRN. My opinion is that his case boils down to TRN was lurking. TRNs reaction seemed normal. What didn't make sense is jampidampi. His case against Rainbows really was bad. On April 06 2013 15:03 jampidampi wrote: Rainbows says how he likes Obzy. If you look at any mafia games posts, when someone likes someone, he thinks that guy is town. Just look at the list posts in this game: "I don't like XXX" is used in contexes, where people think XXX is scummy. Yet when I ask him to explain his liking of Obzy, he says he liked the name and that he has posted a lot, when at the time, Obzy had three posts. If look at those three posts, that is not a good basis for a town read. On April 06 2013 15:03 jampidampi wrote: This scummy since Rainbows clearly cares his image. I don't understand this. I want to find the scum, but, I also care about my image. I am town I want people to think I am town too. In regards to your point about Rainbows thinking someone was town. I think Rainbows has had more scum reads in this game so far than anyone. Lastly your demand for Rainbows to answer your questions is just silly. On April 06 2013 14:00 jampidampi wrote: Rainbows you better answear my questions. NOW So late in the game, when the focus has entirely shifted, you want him to go back and answer questions on policy? On April 05 2013 14:20 jampidampi wrote: Rainbows, what is the purpose for this post? Why should we tell beforehand what kind of behaviour we see as scummy? And your other big question you demand answered is why he made this comment: On April 05 2013 12:57 Rainbows wrote: I like you, Obzy. Those are your big questions? That has nothing to do with the current case he made against TRN. Or any of the recent pages for that matter. ##Unvote ##Vote:jampidampi Rainbows why are you sticking to your TRN vote and not voting for jampidampi after you saw how bad his case was. | ||
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On April 07 2013 05:50 jampidampi wrote: Since it's almost midnight, I'll post this and go to bed. If you are lynching me for doing nothing, why aren't you lynching JarJar? If you are lynching me for bad cases, why aren't you lynching Rainbows? If you can answear these question, then fine, lynch me. But if you lynch me, you better make the most out of it postflip. Pressure the shit out of anyone who can't answear these questions. Pressure the shit out of anyone who voted for me with halfassed reasoning or blatantly sheeped. Hopefully I'm alive when I wake up. Goodnight folks. Last post before he leaves makes me think he is scum. Not really posting a good defense. Not trying to convince anyone of his scum read. Maybe that is just his playstyle, but I disagree with it. If you are town, and you had a spotlight on you to be lynched, isn't the best thing to do to build your case against who you think is scum? I would defend myself politely and then take the time to pile all the evidence I could against someone who I thought was town. You didn't do any of that. In fact in this last post all you did was drive more confusion by pointing the finger at two people instead of narrowing it down to just one. I still think jampidampi is scum and he/she keeps my day 1 vote. I'll be back on before the deadline in 30 min or so. | ||
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pile all the evidence on the person I thought was scum*** | ||
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On April 07 2013 07:08 Moloch wrote: I agree that it is really weird that he hasn't freaked out a bit more. I think you're wrong with "If you are town... who you think is scum?" because that would be the best course of action whether you're town or scum. I'm considering changing my vote to JJD because of lack of panic (I was debating between jampi and JJD when I first voted for jampi, so this just tips the scale a bit). I think he's using those as examples of why you shouldn't vote for him, rather than why you should vote for Rainbows or JJD. As in, "it's silly to vote Rainbows because he made a bad case, so don't vote for me because I made a bad case." I'm pretty sure that's what he's trying to say there. But that is just it. His last post says why you shouldn't vote for him, but he doesn't leave us with who we should definitively vote for. And believe me this isn't THE reason I am voting for him, rather just icing on the cake. | ||
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On April 07 2013 07:05 Obzy wrote: Hmmm. I hadn't really noticed that. (hehe silly ebwop.) - That, being how he mentioned two people - and rainbows specifically, after unvoting him. Yea that was a bad ebwop. :-/ | ||
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On April 07 2013 07:34 jrkirby wrote: I think jampidampi is town. At least for now. Earlier I had a hunch against him. I thought he was clever. Asking questions of rainbows, getting reads, and but not showing his opinion too much, because he wasn't ready to commit to his reads. Did he focus more on rainbows than anyone else? Yeah. But he also was talking to me, moloch, and saraf. And he had reason to keep his eye on rainbows. Rainbows was doing suspicious things and avoiding his questions. Yeah, his final case against Rainbows was poorly written, and not convincing. But that doesn't mean he didn't have good reason to write it! And if you're not reading rainbows as town, JarJarDrinks is a way better choice than Jampi. I'm suspicious that JarJarDrinks cast a vote on e to try to take the attention off Rainbows. Whether that's true or not, jampi hasn't been defending anyone. And that's the only thing mafia needs to do day 1. Just make sure none of they're own are lynched. Fine kirby, ignore his final case for a second. You have to have noticed that his two questions that he demanded answered were shit and had nothing to do with the current conversation. It is so strange that the pages later he is demanding Rainbows to answer them. They were completely irrelevant at that point don't you think? | ||
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But then again your play has mirrored his. Early case against Rainbows. Now you are both voting for the lurker. I don't think jarjar is a good vote day 1. There are plenty of other people posting with actual content to make a read on. The bottom line is that I have made a case based on actual content from jamp. So has Obzy , so has Moloch . There is no case on JarJar other than lurker. None. Why would you rather make a read on nothing other then something?? | ||
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Jkirby this makes you look really good. I think Rainbows looks bad now. When I think about it on a whole, he really caused confusion and chaos on Day 1. And his whole rage quit was terrible hurtful. | ||
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But I will tell you Warrent that I was really upset when Jampi flipped town. I thought it was all so easty. Jamp was scum and kirby was defending him so he must be scum. I thought I had a good case, his useless questions, and his demand to answer useless questions. I guess that is all I will say about that. I kno There are two people I really think are scum right now. I dont like Jarjar for lurking. But more than that I think Rainbows might be scum. At fist I was convinced he was just getting the ball rolling. But he did more than that. He got hte ball rolling and then he kicked it, diverted it, and blew it up. Look at all the confusion he caused, and look at the ridiculous way he raged, claimed, then quit. | ||
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On April 08 2013 05:25 Warent wrote: I was leaning town for Smancer - but right now the best way to get information will be if we can get answers from Fishgles/Smancer/Moloch on these questions: Just to speak up, I did make a post in reagards to what has happened and who I noew suspect. Unfortunately I can't get any more from Rainbows or jarjar at the moment because no one is posting at all. | ||
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Like what was SOO bad that made him flip out, claim, and rage quit. That really hurt the town. He had no input toward the end of Day 1 and we ended up with a mislynch. Rainbows did you even try to use your "Blue" role at night? You need to come back to the game. ##Vote: Rainbows Obzy, I don't think you are making a very good case agains TRN.  | ||
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You're right. Your claim was never countered. If you were scum, that would have been a ballsy thing to do without knowing if town had a vig or not. TRN did say that he didn't believe you, I think his argument was over meta. And your case that you built against TRN was actually really good. | ||
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On April 07 2013 03:54 TheRavensName wrote: To be quite honest? Yes I think its a fake claim. his way of play does not make sense for a vigi. He talks about not wanting to draw attention as scum, but you don't do it as a Vigi either because then you'll never get your shot off. Your playing off the assumption that there is either vigi, and that if there s one he wouldn't just shoot Rainbows and then claim the hit after so he can still actually shoot while still being able to push a lynch. TRN Care to explain this a bit more clearly? Here is what I think. Scum see a lynch coming for jampi town, they can NK Saraf and get rid of a townie, and they can RB Ranbows because they think his claim is true. While at the same time, they can build a case for lynching him in Day 2. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 21:40 Smancer wrote: I def went to bed too early last night, before the shit hit the fan. If you call whiskey and Advil PM going to bed, its more like passing out. With my huge fatness it is the only way to sleep :-) Earlier I based my case on kirby voting Rainbows. I thought Rainbows was doing a good job of getting the ball rolling and I thought jkirbys vote on him was scumy. Then he thought Rainbows was talking to him However based on the course of the night, between TRN, jamp and Rainbows I think we have a scum. The problem is to figure out who. I actually don't like Rainbows case against TRN. My opinion is that his case boils down to TRN was lurking. TRNs reaction seemed normal. What didn't make sense is jampidampi. His case against Rainbows really was bad. I don't understand this. I want to find the scum, but, I also care about my image. I am town I want people to think I am town too. In regards to your point about Rainbows thinking someone was town. I think Rainbows has had more scum reads in this game so far than anyone. Lastly your demand for Rainbows to answer your questions is just silly. So late in the game, when the focus has entirely shifted, you want him to go back and answer questions on policy? And your other big question you demand answered is why he made this comment: Those are your big questions? That has nothing to do with the current case he made against TRN. Or any of the recent pages for that matter. ##Unvote ##Vote:jampidampi Rainbows why are you sticking to your TRN vote and not voting for jampidampi after you saw how bad his case was. Anyway, Obzy I have read you town all game. And you were the second to vote for him. Fishgle was the third vote, and my read on him is town as well. So of us four I get to Moloch. I think his vote was the most suspicious as it was the fourth and final. Mine, Obzy's and Fishgle vote post for Jampi was detailed and made a good case. Moloch's unfortunately wasn't that detailed, and it looks like he is just sheeping. Furthermore he makes a post and then immediately changes the subject to JarJar. My ready on Moloch has been town as well. Perhaps I am tunneling hard in the sense that I think everyone who agreed with me was town. I personally think there is more to read into TRNs and Rainbows back and forth. But Warrent is probably right that one of the votes for Jamp was scum. | ||
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Thanks for coming to the game and adding an analysis. | ||
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On April 09 2013 05:55 Obzy wrote: Hi Smancer, could you give me your thoughts on Ravens and Warent? Also, if you have anything to say about JarJar's case against kirby, whether agreement or against - and if against, why? I think JarJars case is really good. Particularly the points he makes about having jamp rated number 2 on his scum detection percentage, and then coming back and saying he thinks that Jamp is town. I don't have an opinion of Warent at this moment. Between Ravens and Rainbows I have the idea that one of them is scum. I am not that confident, because of what Ravens just posted about Rainbows being an MVP player, but I was suspecting it was Ravens who is scum simply because I am starting to believe Rainbows Blue claim. Why ask me about these guys? | ||
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But I have been posting today. I made an analysis of the votes against jampi. I don't think anyone has read it. | ||
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As for the flip flops on Rainbows. I can't make up my mind. His blue claim, his back and forth with TRN. Its all very difficult to be have definitive read on. But I think currently I have a good read on Moloch. On April 09 2013 03:07 Smancer wrote: So of us four I get to Moloch. I think his vote was the most suspicious as it was the fourth and final. Mine, Obzy's and Fishgle vote post for Jampi was detailed and made a good case. Moloch's unfortunately wasn't that detailed, and it looks like he is just sheeping. Furthermore he makes a post and then immediately changes the subject to JarJar. I have to say I thnk Moloch is scum. This is based on three things 1) His day 1 contributions and analysis. 2) His day 1 vote 3) His Day 2 contributions so far. So first lets look at his day one contribution. He starts out with an early vote on Rainbows. Now I had an early vote on rainbows too. Kind of jokingly because it was the first hour of the game. However he leaves his vote and does not take it off. In the mean time here is his first real post that "contributes" something. Its not a read on one person or a detailed analysis of Rainbows who he left his vote on. But rather it is a big summary post of nothing. Spoiler for big quote: + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 10:50 Moloch wrote: I've been away for a while, so I'll give general impressions of what I think of people so far. Jarjar - He is certain kirby is skum in his first post because he feels kirby changed his mind too easily. I feel he reads too much into kirby's unvote. Everything he's posted has been aggressive towards kirby, while being certain Rainbows is a townie because of his read on kirby. I'm suspicious of him because his only reasons (that he's stated) come from kirby's noncommital way of saying that Rainbows is either scum or an idiot. Since then, he's done nothing aside from saying kirby is very suspicious ( using that as the reason he thinks Rainbows is townie). Smancer - Nothing he's said raised any red flags and I like the variety in his posting style. A mixture of his opinions and questions to try to keep conversation going. jampidampi - He hasn't given his own opinion on anything aside from saying that he thinks Rainbows misinterpreted Saraf's post. Also, a third of his posts talk about whether or not someone else is at their computer (even getting aggressive with kirby when kirby replies to him). I don't have a strong opinion of him, though. It could be that he feels a delay in posting is scum chatting with each other to try to figure out what to do. I don't think it's a good idea to base opinions off of this since there will be a lot more false-positives with strangely long reply times than there will be actual scum catches. Warent - He explains Rainbow's misinterpreting (which I completely agree with), and gave opinions on a couple other people. I like his style. Saraf - He's pushing to lynch the spammiest asshole a bit too much. I think he did imply that Rainbows was the spammy asshole, but he certainly did not state that Rainbows was a townie. kirby - I like his reasoning that he's given for his decisions recarding voting/unvoting Rainbows. At first he thinks he's malicious, then thinks he's an idiot fattie. I don't like how his reason to suspect jampidampi is that he isn't suspicious. It feels really weird to me. TRN - He has only made three posts that aren't spam. He hasn't made any statements about his own opinion, just ask questions of others (aside from his post about the hypothetical A, B, C, D policy question). I like him less now than I did before. Fishgle - I like that he appears to be posting a good mixture of calling other people out without accusing, and posting his own opinions. I like what he says about Warent's hypocrisy, but I'm unsure what I think about his suggestion that Rainbows got a blind hit on Saraf (I'll go into more once I'm done every person) Obzy - I have a positive opinion of how he's been posting. I get a general okay vibe from him. nobodywonder - His posting style seems defensive overall. It doesn't give me a good feeling, but I do like how he is able to critique why someone else voted for kirby, and then vote for kirby himself a little bit later. It implies an open mind. I have really mixed feelings about this guy, Rainbows - I feel this has been the most controversial person. I really don't like how he is pushing so hard to have Saraf lynched off a sentence that Rainbows misinterpreted (multiple people pointed it out to him and he still kept going hardcore against Saraf). Look at it. Just big pile of nothing. A huge summary post not focused on anyone. Once rainbows has all but rage quit. Then he takes his vote off of him. WTF? He does nothing but he comes back when there are THREE votes already on Jamp. 2) His vote. So what is his reason now for voting for jampi, breaking the tie with jarjar,, On April 07 2013 04:04 Moloch wrote: I agree that jampi is the best day one lynch. If you go through his entire post history, he only ever asks people questions and tries to get people to suspect Rainbows. He hasn't once given his opinion on anyone else. He's either scum who was trying to keep the train rolling on Rainbows, or a townie who has contributed nearly nothing. As far as first day lynch chances go, I think this is a pretty good option. ##Vote: jampidampi He agrees. And even says he is either scum or a townie that hasn't contributed. If you think he is either or... why on earth would you vote to put him over the top to be lynched? He doesn't build a case agains jampi like the three others of us that voted. He just agrees and votes. Just remember what was his read earlier on Jamp.. On April 06 2013 10:50 Moloch wrote: He hasn't given his own opinion on anything aside from saying that he thinks Rainbows misinterpreted Saraf's post. Also, a third of his posts talk about whether or not someone else is at their computer (even getting aggressive with kirby when kirby replies to him). No big suspicion. Nothing here that would really put me over the top for lynching someone. Finally today when 2 townies are dead, what does he give us? On April 09 2013 16:04 Moloch wrote: I'm going to start over and write different stuff because I copy-pasted a whole bunch of vote counts to word, but the crossed-out votes came across as normal, so I did other counts to see exactly how many people had voted for Rainbows at the time he claimed, and I had come up with six (it wasn't six - you can check if you're not me and can actually read). I had a cool paragraph saying how Rainbows is all innocent because of blah blah, but that's all useless now. After actual counting, there were four people (me, jampi, ravens, and fishgle) who were voting for him at the time of him claiming. After he claimed, this is the timeline. Rainbows jampi->ravens Me unvote Smancer Kirby-> jampi Obzy ravens ->jampi Fishgle rainbows->jampi Me ->jampi Saraf -> jjd Kirby -> jjd Jampi rainbows->jjd I know it's pretty useless information now, but it's the information I compiled when I thought I was actually on to something. Oh, and I'm not sure what to think about the Saraf lynch. I don't think they'd be as obvious as to hit someone who voted for scum, but it also seems like it would be a good idea to vote for someone that's onto them. Sorry again for not being here for the past couple days, I know it makes the game less fun for everybody else. I'll do better for the next while. A vote summary and pretty useless information. He hasn't written a single analysis that has focused on just one person. He tie breaker vote on Jamp got him lynched with virtually no analysis. I think Moloch is scum. ##Vote: Moloch | ||
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On April 09 2013 14:30 jrkirby wrote: Smancer smells bad to me. I will vote for him if I think that the town is on my side. I'll do it if everyone else is willing to. How do you know who is town? scumslip?? | ||
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I was trying to be sarcastic. I was saying that the logic "I'll vote for someone if everyone else does" is bad. I was not saying I would ever vote for myself. | ||
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Crazy conspiracy theory incoming... I think you might be right with Raven. One possible explanation I have could be he is voting for Moloch because he actually knows Moloch is scum and my case was good. Then when we lynch scum tonight he can say he voted for Moloch, and why would he do that if he were scum. So to recap he knows Moloch is scum. He knows that his case against you isn't building momentum. He thinks he can survive longer by sacrificing Moloch by using it as an argument upcoming in day 3. Either way I think Raven and Moloch are scum now. I would lynch either. My vote is currently on Moloch. | ||
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Literally this is your case against me. 1) On April 08 2013 09:28 jrkirby wrote: I guess my reads now are smancer, jarjar, and fishgle. 2) On April 09 2013 14:30 jrkirby wrote: Smancer smells bad to me. I will vote for him if I think that the town is on my side. 3) On April 10 2013 03:27 jrkirby wrote: I'm going to come back in several hours and probably vote for one of these four - smancer - jarjar - warent - theravensname. in that order of suspicion. Holy shit great case bro. Lets see your filter. Hmm never has posted an analysis on a single person. Literally HALF of your last 24 posts are one liners contributing nothing. You are wasting time. There is 5 hours before a lynch and you haven't made a case, yet you have been here posting garbage reads. So you will come back and post a vote in a few hours? Wow way to help the town. Do you not understand that we need to find scum? Do you not understand that if you really think someone is scum you need to try to get the rest of the town to be convinced? Saying I smell bad is doing none of that. | ||
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On April 09 2013 14:30 jrkirby wrote: I have a strong townread on obzy. The only reason I ever didn't was when he was defending rainbows and I thought rainbows was scum. ... I might be ok lynching moloch but I don't have a good read on him either way. If someone presents a good case I'll think about it. Ok your strong townread Obzy just posted a case against Moloch. Did his town vote summary swing you so much that now he isn't even on your suspect list? | ||
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On April 10 2013 04:15 nobodywonder wrote: how the fuck did fishgle randomly change from being a scumread to townread? this makes no sense at all besides a very obvious scumslip. just explain this? if you are town, it shouldn't be too hard, you should be able to clearly demonstrate his transition from scumread to townread. and for that matter, you should told us why he was a scumread in the first place and a town read later. NW ok, good analysis but I think there is a mistake. You quoted and bolded jkirby's scum read on Rainbows pre lynch. And then quote and bold his town read on fish. | ||
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And to be honest, I am ready to vote for jkirby as well, ##Unvote ##Vote: jkirby I pretty much have already built my case in the few posts before NW's case. My points were 1) His town read on you and saying he will vote Moloch if there is a case. 2) he is only going to vote for someone if he thinks town will follow him. 3) the amount of 1 liner responces / Lack of any content 4) his suspects me with no case. 5) he said he will "come back in a few hours to vote" this truely shows no sense of urgency for the town. Moloch has addressed my case against him, and I like how he did it. He also all but completely disproved my second point in my case against him, that is, the unvote of Rainbows. | ||
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Fish showing up at the last minute great... jkirby, I struggle with ravens and rainbows as well. I tend to believe Rainbows claim, just because it was so early. And Raven seemed to jump on Moloch right after I made a case against him. I read through your defense, and case to support yourself. I am sorry but I am not convinced. @Moloch what can I say, I am switching around quite a bit. Just to be clear, I was being sarcastic just around the first sentence. the scumslip part was pretty serious. I believed it. I hope I am not being aggressive or being a bully :-/ just trying to provide reason behind what I do. | ||
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On April 10 2013 08:44 Fishgle wrote: should we kill off one of rainbows or raven just to get this thing sorted out? I think you are right. | ||
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I mean Rainbows claimed Blue. I have to believe him. Its getting down to the wire.. so... ##Unvote ##vote: TheRavensName | ||
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On April 10 2013 08:47 Obzy wrote: And no, don't switch onto Ravens OR Rain. I hate them both but a last minute vote switch is stupid when it's because of high-flying emotions and not logical, rational discourse, especially in a newbie game. In my other newbie we pulled off scum within the last hour on day1 because we flew into a bloodrage. Stay the course - we decided on kirby rationally when we were calmly analyzing play. However mad I am right now (and it is not inconsiderable), a last minute vote switch invalidates all of our hard work today. Obzy don't you believe Rain is blue? | ||
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On April 10 2013 08:51 Fishgle wrote: if we're wrong, i think there's a more important target. WHO? | ||
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@TRN yea the last minute switch about that.For me it gets pretty intense right around deadline. My heart is pounding and I went on instinct there. Then I read Obzy's post about not throwing away a days work etc. So I switched back. I honestly don't even know anymore. I keep changing my mind, I build what I think are strong cases against people who are town, and then they get lynched. Should I even try to build cases today? I feel like I am just going to be wrong. I think what I will do today is keep my mouth shut until after this night time is over. I will in the mean time try to reread the thread and focus specifically on Rainbows vs TRN. I'll take Warrents advice and try to determine motives. | ||
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On April 11 2013 02:53 Obzy wrote: I rather want to die Come on man, On March 30 2013 00:32 marvellosity wrote: Play to win. This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing. I've been reading through events. I think our best chance at finding scum at this point is to focus on Raven versus Rainbows. Its no secret that I wanted to flip vote to Raven at the last minute last night. I also believe Rainbows claim. The one thing that is just really bothering me from yesterdays events, other than my own play in mislynching is that Raven changed his vote from Rainbows to Moloch. Why? He had tunneled rainbows since Rainbows claim. And furthermore he just went back to rainbows anyway bit later. And then Rainbows. At first I believed his claim. I mean no one countered it right? Ravens said he fake claimed before, apparently for the fun of it #YOLOSWAG... But think about how much that really hurt town. Raven said you don't claim Vig day 1 because you never get your shot off. And it is true, we haven't gotten a shot off. I really want to get to the bottom of this because I think it is our best lead. | ||
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Currently I see three topics and I suggest we focus on only 2 of them during the course of tonight, and Day3. Lets narrow our focus. Here are the topics I see: 1) The Raven vs Rainbows discourse. 2) The vote counts for D1 and D2 3) Obzys Medic Claim Please can we just agree that all of us will focus down on at most 2 of these topics? "The town ideally wants an atmosphere where people can focus on one or two things at a time to get real information. This means there needs to be a fair number of posts: too little and the town can't get enough information; too many and the town can't sort through all the irrelevant junk to find the good stuff." | ||
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On April 08 2013 22:07 Rainbows wrote: I shot him last night. Scum probably thought i would and RBd me. If Raven were town I'd probably have been allowed to shoot him and they just nk me instead. Or maybe they just want to push my lynch today. You used your shot didn't you? Maybe I am confused: If Vig is rollblocked and tries to shoot someone, does he still have a shot to use later? | ||
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On April 11 2013 05:58 Obzy wrote: Smancer - you quote that I should play to win. I rather believe I have actively been trying to help town win. You are pointing out my words, and ignoring my actions. I fail to see how my claim is remotely important as a topic of discussion, unless you think that my play before claiming looked scummy enough that the claim itself places suspicion on me. I have already given my opinion on the Raven vs Rainbows discourse - several times, actually. And the vote counts from Warent, who accused me so now I'm fairly 100% certain that he is scum, are not necessarily something I think require discussion since they are a statement of facts rather than good insight as to why they matter, but I will indulge your curiosity, despite thinking you're likely a second scum. My input on the vote counts: Specifically, I guess I'll note the thing I noticed but am not certain about: Jarjar had 3 votes here, and all three voters on him were town, while four voters were on other targets. This sort of makes me worry that Jarjar is more likely to be town, since mafia wouldn't've felt comfortable with the end of the lynch if he was scum. /shrug although he's still scummy. I just want to make sure you aren't TRYING to die. I know you are being active. But both of us has had our focus go every which way over the last 2 days. Lets be active but try to stay on one or two topics. Not jump around so much. We really need to narrow it down and focus on just a couple of things. | ||
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So we a/ll vote nolynch now and then we just wait with our thumbs up our asses until the end of the next night to see who they NK We will have no new information for 72 hours by voting nolynch now. We should at least investigate and analyze events as they are and try to find scum. Pressure our suspects, do some work. If we don't have anything concrete within t-minus 6-8 hours before the lynch deadline, then we all vote nolynch. | ||
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@Rainbows, you said earlier that having 3 blue rolls in this format is "stupid op". Well, we now have two confirmed dead blues, and your claim as vig. In regards to the nolynch, here are my thoughts: I've been struggling with how exactly are we going to deduce information from the impending NK ? You said it will give us great information. I am sitting here trying to go through each person left, and trying to determine what it would directly imply if each person, including myself was their target in the night. IN most cases I get into a big heap of circular logic. Furthermore Mafia knows the reason for a nolynch vote is to try and get information. So why would they NK someone who would give us information. If we vote nolynch today, wouldn't they NK the person that they think would give us the least Info, or the person that would throw us the most of the right path? Fact of the matter is, all mafia has to do is pick one of us remaining townies at random, and sit back and watch the shit storm that would follow, while we focus entirely on the NK and not the other events that have happened. I said it before, we have 3 very good things to discuss today before we decide on voting nolynch (well maybe not Obzy claim as he is dead now.). We have to get a correct lynch, whether it be today, or tomorrow after voting nolynch. And the way I see it voting nolynch today could help the mafia as much is it might help us. | ||
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I looked back at everyone, including myself, our filters. And I wrote down for each person who they voted for, in chronological order Day 1 and Day 2. The only mildly interesting thing I found was two people that have the exact same votes. NW and JJD. They are also heavily lurking JJDs filter is still one page. Day 1 each of them only made 1 and only 1 vote jkirby Day 2 each of them only made 1 and only 1 vote jkirby JJD's filter is still one page. I am looking through them because I am trying to find more evidence t support that they might be working together. | ||
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On April 10 2013 07:14 nobodywonder wrote: @jrkirby :/ thats a disappointing reply on fishgle... I expected more. anyways this is an exciting time for you jarjardrinks, can you pull the nobodywonder (see reference to Newbie XXXIIX) besides jarjardrinks, what do you read (scummy/townie) on your current voters? On April 10 2013 03:47 nobodywonder wrote: btw jrkirby who are your scumreads. besides jjd, whos been attacking? Why did you want jkirby to make reads on someone other than JJD? | ||
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I really don't see the big case agains Warrent. I would much rather vote for NW or JarJar. I just went through the last newbie mafia game. JarJar was town. Raven,. Rainbows, you were in that game no? His play was way more active, and he contributed so much more than this game. Warent gets a couple votes then these guys hop on? There is too much to risk today for a mislynch and they just post 2 lines and hop on bored. I don't buy it. These two must be scumbuddies. | ||
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Smancer Day 1: Rainbows (joke) -> jkirby -> jamp Smancer Day 2: Rainbows -> Moloch -> jkirby -> TRN -> Jkirby Smancer Day 3: none Raven Day 1: Rainbows Raven Day 2: Rainbows -> Moloch -> Rainbows Raven Day 3: Warrent Now lets look at you two: JJD Day 1: jikriby JJD Day 2: jkirby JJD Day 3: Warrent NW Day 1: jkirby NW Day 2: jkirby JJD Day 3 Warrent I'm sorry, it is apples and oranges. Yours are identical. | ||
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On April 09 2013 22:02 JarJarDrinks wrote: Warent looks pretty bad to me too. On day 1 he tries to twist rainbows words and (mafia 101) makes a big deal out nothing:Man is he harping on that one post that rainbows made. And what better way to try to solidify that case? Kill Saraf and have him flip green. Wow, amazing detailed analysis. Maybe it was Ravens detailed case: On April 12 2013 01:39 TheRavensName wrote: Very well Mr Rainbows. I don't like how War got away without much scrutiney for the same things I was doing, I don't like how he was acting Last night and didn't scrutinize something that has morepotential scum motivations then that bad medic claim,ut, and I don't like how hes posted so little and hasn't at least pushed something like NW or JarJar did, so I will throw my vote onto him, and you are more then welcomed to tear it apart or get him to talk. Or whatever you want to do. I posted my thoughts on Rainbows already, and if I like what War has added and not what Rainbows has after lurking so long, I will swap around. ##Vote: Warent Good hunting Gentlemen. Was the part where he said he'll just throw his vote onto him, or the part where he said he will swap around. Yup to me that screems Warrent must be scum. NO chance of a mislynch here. Oh, perhaps rainbows has something to add: On April 11 2013 09:32 Rainbows wrote: Warent is scum. My best guess for scumteam is Warent / NW / TRN. ##Vote: Warent . Thats it, none of the rest of the post has any analysis on warrent. So here is my point: I just want you to remember if we misslynch tonight then we lose. There has to be a better case made against warrent today before I vote for him. And all I am doing is strarting to do what I said I was going to do. I am scumhunting, I am looking for leads and evidennce. I said yesterday we should analyze: 1) The Raven vs Rainbows discourse. (see my posts earlier today prodding them) 2) The vote counts for D1 and D2 (All I have found here is what I just posted connecting you and jarjar) 3) Obzys Medic Claim (he's dead now not much to follow up with him) I am doing what I said I wanted to do. | ||
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I really am torn up between Ravens and Rainbows. I think it would be brilliant if in the end we find out that these two guys are somehow working together as mafia to distract town so much. At this point, if Ravens convinces us to lynch Rainbows and Rainbows draws scum, we would trust Ravens to the end. And vice versa. In the mean time their back and forth has dominated the the thread. I would probably lynch Ravens today. I was game for it last minute before we lynched kirby. At least now we have some time to talk about it. I don't say rainbows because my gut has been his claim was real. Personally I feel like my Ravens Rainbows read is just speculation and may be flat out ridiculous. I am most confortable lynching JJD. I think he has contributed the least, he has got by from just lurking, and he hasn't helped the town at all. For the time being, I am going to put my vote on him. ##Vote JarJarDrinks I am going to read Ravens and Rainbows filter again and write down in my notebook and bullet point their arguments against each other. | ||
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I don't think Warrent is a slam dunk, I don't like how quickly everyone got on him today. Mafia can easily throw 3 votes on whoever they want today. Don't trust Rainbows because he says so. Make up your own mind. We can still win this. | ||
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Either A) Jarjar is scum and his one left scumbuddy is jumping on to look like town, or B) Jarjar is town and mafia is happy to lynch him. | ||
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On April 15 2013 23:58 Rainbows wrote: Well I feel like Smancer is town. I'm positive Moloch is town as well. Warent is probably town because of Raven shenanigans. Then there's me who is town. So that leaves: JJD, NW, Fishgle. If you're town JJD, which very well may happen, I believe NW + Fishgle are the scumteam. This is exactly how I feel. I think you are spot on. There is of course the low probablity of you (rainbows) being scum with Raven, and you purposefully NKing one of your own (raven) to guarantee a win for scum and to fake confirm you as town Vig. After all, who could possibly point there finger at you now. I think that is a possibility, albeit unlikely, hell anything is possible. IMO if that is the case than you should get scum of the year award and we should ask what the hell you are doing in a newbie game ;-) | ||
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I don't understand A. Not to mention that we don't actually know for sure if Mafia has a rollblocker. I think what you are saying is that Mafia thought Rainbows was gonig to kill a townie. So if two townies died last night (Warrent + Somone_else) then it would in fact confirm Rainbows claim. So If just one townie dies, we still aren't sure there is a vig? C might make sense, but you are basing these cases on the assumption that Rain is Vigi. That would mean 4 Power roles on the town side. | ||
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Did that day end early? I thought days were 48 hours I am going to go back and reread the thread. I will focus on interactions of JarJar and Ravens, and see if I can find clues. ON that note Jarjar knows he is going to flip red. So what is the motivation of his last post: On April 16 2013 08:23 JarJarDrinks wrote: I don't expect people to switch off of me. But don't just follow rainbows blindly after this. I think there's a decent chance the scum made the crazy play of shooting one of their own. Nothing else makes sense about last night. After I flip green, I really think that you guys should really consider killing rainbows tomorrow. Check his filter and see if it makes sense because I think it does. | ||
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I feel lucky to have this be my first game. Thanks everyone. | ||
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Was it that everyone had their vote on your? Then there was me and my conspiracy theories.... | ||
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On April 17 2013 12:59 Hapahauli wrote: One of the more interesting and instructive newbie games in a while - heck of a comeback by town! I'll do a write-up later. Awesome I look forward to the write up. | ||
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