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Warent
On April 05 2013 15:53 Warent wrote:
Good morning,
First off all, my prime playing time will probably be when you US folks are sleeping and the other way around. So please keep in mind that it may sometimes take several hours before I can answer question and provide my view points.
We should try to find a middle ground between spam and lurking, obviously neither are good for town. But I rather we focus on posting when we have some new insight to provide, and thus help keep the thread atleast somewhat clean. Unessecary spam is just... spam. I fail to see how spam, confusion and weak claims are helping town.
This is what've noticed after reading this thread (and I'm not alone): In less than 8 hours, Rainbows has provided three different "cases".
The first one could be passed off as a joke.
The second, according to himself a "serious" vote based on not getting an answer quickly enough (?).
The third, and this time he really want to get a lynch going, based on nothing (or wierd reading skills).
I would like to hear Rainbows explanation.
A bunch of generic pro-town things being advocated. He provides a (bad) summary of events in the thread and... that's it.
On April 05 2013 16:03 Warent wrote:
My read is bad townie or scum.
A really non-comittal read. Those are always the two obvious choices in a situation such as this. Warent wants to 'wait for my explanation', which there will be none. Instead of coming to thread and giving us something to work with, Warent decides to play the 'Suspicious guy is suspicious' card and do nothing while appearing to do something. Rainbows no like.
Saraf
On April 05 2013 11:57 Saraf wrote:glhf Can we vote for a no-lynch in this game, or must votes be placed on individuals?Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 09:28 Rainbows wrote:
Okay enough guys.
##Unvote
Anyone who's here right now I want to give me their opinions on a statement.
--- I don't want to talk about policy. You can policy me this or policy me that, or raise me a lynch-all-liar policy, but I don't want to hear it. Your policy is your own. Enact it when you see fit, if at all. Don't spew it in the thread incessantly to act like you're contributing or it's the 'must-do' in a mafia game.
If you want to override this and go on with it, fine with me. Whatever you feel is best. Not talking policy Day 1 is bullshit. Scum know who scum are but we don't, and the only way we catch scum is by making them fuck up. Even if the policy ends up being "there is no policy", the debate drives conversation and conversation is the only reliable way we have of rooting out scum and eliminating them. Problems arise for town when scum derails the conversation, so here's some day 1 policy to chew on: In the absence of really strong reads, lynch the spammiest asshole who shits up the thread the most. Spamming the thread is a scum tactic to distract and disrupt town; even if the spammiest asshole is just some poor well-meaning fattie (who should have applied the litmus test "does this post help town?"), at the very least in Day 2 the thread will be less shit up, and it'll be easier to find scum without him shitting up the thread.
It is obvious that Saraf is referring to me here. I'm spamming, I'm doing a bunch of nuisance-like things and he doesn't like it. He says he would like to lynch me; even if I'm probably town. Saraf seems to know I'm town, because he refers to me as such and tells me how I should be playing.
On April 05 2013 13:35 Saraf wrote:
Obzy: posting a lot is not the same as spam. If you post a ton, and all of your posts contribute to scumhunting/creating a pro-town environment then are you spamming? Obviously not. Look at everything posted from the start of the game up until Rainbows drops the "comment on this" post about policy. Everything prior is pointless and spam. Look at the rando dialogue between Rainbows and TRN, what point does that serve? Before anyone got the ball rolling that was fine, but if, for instance, I just look at Rainbows's vote on me and OMGUS him now what do I accomplish? Jack shit, I spam the thread, and just make myself look an ass. And I do want people to chew on the policy, see if they think it sucks, see if they think it's good. And see why they think the way they do.
Rainbows, you're obviously up, what do you actually think about the policy?
Notice the hypocrisy in this underlined statement. Saraf wants policy talk. Awesome, go for it man... wait, what policy has he brought up -- none. He wants people to talk about policy but is doing nothing to drive the discussion. He's trying to come off all pro-town by being 'yeah, we should lynch a scummy spammer guy, and totally talk about policy because it generates discussion!". He completely ignores A) that discussion is already happening, and we can talk about that and B) He himself is not bringing up policy to talk about and "get information".
I digress, he's brought up the policy to 'lynch the spammiest asshole', but that in itself people are already talking about because I'm the center of discussion. So antagonisitic.
Nobodywonder
On April 05 2013 16:03 nobodywonder wrote:Well I can't say scum for sure, but I definitely don't like it. Rainbow votes Smancer. Then Rainbow unvotes, then talks about his policy that there should be no policy and that everyone has their own policy. Rainbow then brings up a policy scenario. Well, he states it isn't policy based. Well to me, it sounds like it is, since a policy defines a set of actions in response to certain behavior. I don't know that Rainbow would bring a policy question and call it not policy, seems like he's cautiously gauging townie response and the town meta. Honestly, I want a response from not only Rainbow but also Smancer, since to me, it's interesting that Rainbow voted Smancer, unvoted Smancer and then voted Smancer again. In response Smancer had voted Rainbows and then unvoted Rainbow. I just a lil' weirded out by the voting trend. + Show Spoiler +As a little meta thing, Rainbows seems to deviate a lot more from previous games, he did troll vote, but not to extent of this game. He also spams a lot more.
NW gives a huge summary. and throws some shit. He meditates on the policy thing, which I told everyone wasn't policy. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW PEOPLE THINK AND POLICY JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE. Had to get out of the way. This post, and subsequently the spoiler, show no effort on NW's part to come to a conrete read on me. He simply says that I'm doing things. He seems really apprehensive about giving an actual read and just flops around.
I want peoples opinions of NW. Saraf might just be a banality-spewing town; and I'm unsure if his lolpolicy was serious or not. But NW - that guy. He's scummy.
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On April 05 2013 23:32 Smancer wrote:
Coming back an hour later I think my conspiracy theory about posts being close together was a bit over the top. I am leaving my vote for now because I don't like how jrkirby pointed at the one person who was trying to get the ball rolling in finding scum.
Is anyone here?
I'm on the fence about Jrkirby. Nothing he's done so far is alignment-indicative. He voted me or whatever, brool story cro.
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On April 06 2013 01:24 Warent wrote:Show nested quote +A bunch of generic pro-town things being advocated. He provides a (bad) summary of events in the thread and... that's it. I was not providing a summary of events in the thread - I was summing up your actions. Perhaps it wasn't clear enough, no worries, hopefully this will make things more clear. ##Vote RainbowAs far as policies goes, this is my opinion: we should not lynch people based on whims, misinterpretations or lies. Rainbows third, so called, case against Saraf is completely based on either an obvious misinterpretation or a lie. Saraf: Show nested quote +even if the spammiest asshole is just some poor well-meaning fattie (who should have applied the litmus test "does this post help town?")
Rainbow: Show nested quote +I think we should all rally around lynching Saraf, because he called me town and expressed interest in lynching someone he called probably town. Rainbow: Show nested quote +Saraf seems to know I'm town, because he refers to me as such and tells me how I should be playing. Saraf has never called Rainbow town. Even if does NOT equal probably town! Rainbow must know this. I don't think this is a misinterpretation, I think this is Rainbow trying to create something out of nothing. Most likely reason the obvious one - he is scum. And he's not helping himself when he refuses to explain his own action but rather continue to accuse others.
You were summing up the thread because I was the only one doing things.
Saraf literally said: EVEN IF YOU'RE TOWN YOU SHOULD BE LYNCHED. Your defence is lawlzy, please try harder.
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You can tell by the context that he thinks I'm probably town. Just look at the statement where he tells me what I should be asking myself this game as town.
Regardless, he wants to lynch me despite my alignment which is not town-mindset at all. We can keep arguing syntax or lynch scum, kk?
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On April 06 2013 02:21 jrkirby wrote:
I wish it were easier to tell the difference between stupid townie and scum T.T
You actually rose really high on my town meter for this post. :o
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TheRavensName is a fantastic lynch for today!
He didn't do anything of use early game. He was around, but chose to do nothing useful. He barely even talked to me, and pretty much ignored events in the thread. His real 'entrance' post to the thread is here:
On April 05 2013 19:29 TheRavensName wrote:
God I must be feeling poorly when my first thought of waking up at 5:30 AM is to read the entire thread and try to figure it all out half awake. But, lets see where it goes.
Rainbows I have a question for you because I know you hate talking about policy.... why did you bring up a situation in vague enough terms that it had to be answered with policy and not answer it yourself? Its rather unlike your past games (I also know you hate Meta analysis.).. PS:Saraf called you an idiot and an asshole, who just MIGHT be a townie too but think its unlikely. Not really the best lynch reason.
Jampi: Why are you calling Rainbows out for policy lynching? He seems to have made it pretty clear he hates policy discussion in general, and he has yet to really use it in any of his previous games.
Jrk: Postig at random people is actually how rainbows plays. Look at the previous two newbie mini games for proof of that. Do you have another scum read? Or is the phrase other guy just referring to the lurkers?
Obzy: DO not go down the road of assuming everyone is town because no one is objecting to them being town. We made that mistake with rainbows last game and it cost us so badly. ALWAYS assume everyone is scum until they give you a really really good reason, which you should only share if your confident enough in your read to help defend them, and even then.. you need to hold them to the same degree of suspicion as your scum reads. You need to compare them to the results and look at who they are going after and make sure your not getting fooled.
Alot of people are calling Rainbows out for spammyness, but it seems quite a few other people are spamming pretty hard themselves, see the discussion on lurkers killing all of the drones and bio before people have even had 24 hours to get into the thread (I think jarjar still the only person who hasn't posted sense he /ined, so I would say theres only one real lurker.) and mentions of Rainbow's role claim last game by Obzy for examples. Just going to toss this out there: Come up with more then just spammyness by the end of day 1, sense he did get the discussion ball rolling at least.
Now back to sleep before I have to go to class.
Notice the complete lack of any sort of read or pressure in the post. Does Raven care about current events, does he look like he's hunting scum? He tells people to not vote me for spammyness, but does nothing to pressure those attacking me for that reason alone. He simply affords people the opportunity to lynch me by coming up with alternate reasons by the end of D1.
Where's the scumreads? Vote? Nothing.
On April 06 2013 03:06 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 23:37 Rainbows wrote:NobodywonderOn April 05 2013 16:03 nobodywonder wrote:Well I can't say scum for sure, but I definitely don't like it. Rainbow votes Smancer. Then Rainbow unvotes, then talks about his policy that there should be no policy and that everyone has their own policy. Rainbow then brings up a policy scenario. Well, he states it isn't policy based. Well to me, it sounds like it is, since a policy defines a set of actions in response to certain behavior. I don't know that Rainbow would bring a policy question and call it not policy, seems like he's cautiously gauging townie response and the town meta. Honestly, I want a response from not only Rainbow but also Smancer, since to me, it's interesting that Rainbow voted Smancer, unvoted Smancer and then voted Smancer again. In response Smancer had voted Rainbows and then unvoted Rainbow. I just a lil' weirded out by the voting trend. + Show Spoiler +As a little meta thing, Rainbows seems to deviate a lot more from previous games, he did troll vote, but not to extent of this game. He also spams a lot more. NW gives a huge summary. and throws some shit. He meditates on the policy thing, which I told everyone wasn't policy. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW PEOPLE THINK AND POLICY JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE. Had to get out of the way. This post, and subsequently the spoiler, show no effort on NW's part to come to a conrete read on me. He simply says that I'm doing things. He seems really apprehensive about giving an actual read and just flops around. I want peoples opinions of NW. Saraf might just be a banality-spewing town; and I'm unsure if his lolpolicy was serious or not. But NW - that guy. He's scummy. Seeing as how this is the third game now where NW has been a scummy read day one... have we ever wondered if NW just isn't that bright/isn't that good? I think NW just isn't that great and just makes mistakes and poor judgements that never seem to go well for him. Just curious rainbows: Do you think Saraf or Nobodywonder has a higher chance of being scum, seeing as how right now the way I read it based off that wording is that you yourself are now voting for a guy you think might be town compared to a guy you think is scummy.
I hate this defense of NW. "Oh he's just bad townie, we shouldn't lynch him even if he's really scummy" Spare me, Raven. That's bullshit reasoning and you know it. Town has no reason to defend NW right now; Scum does. Scum looks good if he's town and gets lynched, or if they're both scum it's protecting his buddy.
Note how he also never gives a read on NW, just calls him bad.
On April 06 2013 11:46 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 07:18 Obzy wrote:I don't know what to think of Raven. He hasn't really posted enough - only his last two posts have content I care about;
Why does he think Saraf called Rain an asshole and an idiot? "even if the spammiest asshole is just some poor well-meaning fattie" - how is that implying Rain, unless it's taken for granted that Rain is a spammy asshole? >_>;;; Also, how did Rain interpret it to be calling him out? - -; w/e. I would like to see Raven post more. Raven, are you implying that nobodywonder is town (haven't read him yet, will form an opinion momentarily) with this post? On April 06 2013 03:06 TheRavensName wrote:
Seeing as how this is the third game now where NW has been a scummy read day one... have we ever wondered if NW just isn't that bright/isn't that good? I think NW just isn't that great and just makes mistakes and poor judgements that never seem to go well for him.
Just curious rainbows: Do you think Saraf or Nobodywonder has a higher chance of being scum, seeing as how right now the way I read it based off that wording is that you yourself are now voting for a guy you think might be town compared to a guy you think is scummy. You seem like you're trying to point out that Rain's vote on Saraf is suspect, but that Nobodywonder is just a newb and not scum, but _also_ that he should be looking towards Nobodywonder instead of Saraf, who you think is town? I don't like it :x Please post more hehe. - -; I'm not following your reasoning, and that's all you've got atm. (Continuing to read.) To answer the first part: Rainbows brought it up I went off what he said. Onto the next question: I think, at this moment, Nobodywonder is a sort of dumb town. What he says tseems to lack thought at times, and hes been scummy person on the first two days two games in a row acting exactly the same way as he has done so now, and he was VT both those times. So unless he makes a move that pushes me otherwise, I'm going to read dumb town on him. Third part: I do think Rain's vote on Saraf is suspect. I'm stating that in that last part of rainbow's post that was a response to, which I think was poorly worded and was asking for clarification, that it looked like he had made the decision Saraf was at least maybe town and that Nobodywonder was just flat out scummy. If thats how he feels, why is he voting for Saraf still? Thats his whole reason for going after Safaf anyways (In that rainbows disliked that Sarif is voting for someone he said may have been scummy.)
Last post, pretty void of any reads whatsoever. The only thing he's pointed out is my vote on Saraf, which the entire thread has already said many times.
I hate to meta people, but TRN in previous games was active, scumhunting, and voted early Day 1. He's reserving his vote right now which irks me. He has done no scumhunting this game and is teetering on the edge of null on everybody.
##Unvote
##Vote: TheRavensName
P.S. Raven, it's SINCE, not SENSE ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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*Sigh* I post all of my reads extensively. Everyone keeps saying "lolspammer" but that ended forever ago. I've been the most forthcoming in this thread by a huge margin. I'm obviously town --> and i know someone will call me out for saying that. If you don't trust me -- you're either scum, or stupid.
For the record, Saraf is not the best lynch for today.
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Like, you call it a 'vendetta' when i've given my reads on plenty of people so far. Stop homogenizing my play and actually read.
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JarJarDrinks
On April 05 2013 21:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:
K, just caught up.
I think jrkirby is my scummiest read at the moment. He votes rainbows pretty early. Then later on he tells us that he feels like he "might actually be a fatty, and is just acting stupid" BUT he feels like he has to vote for him because he's "helping the skinnies".
Anyone that votes for someone and then defends them is gonna read scum to me.
##vote: jrkirby
First post of the day. Neglects to comment on my play which I find exceedingly odd. I was pretty much the entire thread at that point.
On April 06 2013 04:06 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 03:45 jrkirby wrote:
What about you jarjar? What do you think about rainbows? or any other player for that matter? Because you've only talked about me so far. Reading rainbows as town mostly but that's due in part to believing that you're scum. He's talking alot which I like. Though he did that in the last game which had me fooled for quite a bit. My turn for a question: Why did you unvote?
The worst read on the world on me. He reads me as town, but only because kirby is scum. JJD can use this to justify a scumread on me later when kirby flips town. He likes that I'm talking, but instantly turns down this read by saying I play well as scum and am capable of doing so. Epic proportions of non-committing going on.
On April 06 2013 04:41 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 04:18 jrkirby wrote:
If you like people talking a lot, why have you been so quiet thus far? I'm here now. Right now you're my top scumread so I'm focusing on you. Like every post you make looks more and more scummy to me. So now you were voting for him but it wasn't a serious vote?
JJD is focusing on one person this entire game. He has neglected to give reads on any other player than Kirby. He does nothing to convince the rest of town that Kirby is scum, either ---> "Every post you make looks more and more scummy" why not QUOTE them... CONVINCE town? He doesn't want to. He's probably scum.
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On April 06 2013 12:36 Moloch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 12:25 Rainbows wrote:
Like, you call it a 'vendetta' when i've given my reads on plenty of people so far. Stop homogenizing my play and actually read. I think he is correct in calling it a vendetta. You don't just say what you think and vote accordingly, you go over-the-top aggressive and then you shout at everyone to do exactly what you do. Then you switch targets at the drop of a pin. This is the very first day, there is no way anyone can be as certain about anyone as you claim to be about your reads. I'm keeping my vote on you for now because I'm not extremely suspicious about anyone else (just mildly suspicious about everyone), and you seem to feel the need to cause as much discord as you can.
Bolded - Where? Go.
You also claim I'm "certain" about my reads --- LOL BUT IM MAKING CASES ON DIFFERENT PEOPLE BRO. I'm rather disinterested with Saraf at the moment.
Conflict yourself more.
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So everyone is clear: Top 3 are TRN, JJD, NW.
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First of all kirby
1.) I wasn't talking to you and
2.) I gave a small case on Raven and voted him. how is that shouting and being all aggressive and yelling at people to do what i'm doing? I give a case to convince people.
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On April 06 2013 12:52 Fishgle wrote:
I'm unsure about your reasoning rainbow. I think jarjar is just a lazy player. Your arguments against TRN make more sense, i think. I want to see his response. But what about kirby, warent, and jampidampi? You've hardly talked about them.
also, i'm heading out for a party soon, probably wont post again til... 14 hours from now? I might post between party and bed, but i doubt it.
I made a huge post about Warent... maybe you missed it...
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@ Moloch
Come on. Answer me. You said I'm being over-the-top aggressive and shouting at people to do what I want. Prove it, quote me.
You also say I'm very sure about my reads. But I've presented small cases on many people now. How does this make sense?
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On April 06 2013 13:05 Moloch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 12:40 Rainbows wrote:On April 06 2013 12:36 Moloch wrote:On April 06 2013 12:25 Rainbows wrote:
Like, you call it a 'vendetta' when i've given my reads on plenty of people so far. Stop homogenizing my play and actually read. I think he is correct in calling it a vendetta. You don't just say what you think and vote accordingly, you go over-the-top aggressive and then you shout at everyone to do exactly what you do. Then you switch targets at the drop of a pin. This is the very first day, there is no way anyone can be as certain about anyone as you claim to be about your reads. I'm keeping my vote on you for now because I'm not extremely suspicious about anyone else (just mildly suspicious about everyone), and you seem to feel the need to cause as much discord as you can. Bolded - Where? Go. You also claim I'm "certain" about my reads --- LOL BUT IM MAKING CASES ON DIFFERENT PEOPLE BRO. I'm rather disinterested with Saraf at the moment. Conflict yourself more. You use caps lock regularly and a large amount of sarcasm, which give your posts an overall feel of aggressiveness. Maybe that's just me. You said that everyone who doesn't trust you is either scum or an idiot. I have to admit I overstated you yelling at everyone to do what you do; you just yell (how I interpret the caps locks) at people and then say that people who don't do what you do are idiots. I don't believe anything I've said has conflicted with something else I've said. Yes, you've been reading a lot of people, yes, but the people you suspect (first Saraf, then TRN) you present in a 100% matter-of-fact way, which is what I was referring to.
I'm an aggressive town. I'm actually physically hurting from the lack of intelligence in some people this game.
How the heck am I supposed to convince people if Im going "Oh, well, maybe, this is scummy, but maybe not, idk guys!" You have to be to the point in this game or people won't follow you to the lynch. I want to lynch scum. Not beat around the bush here.
I'm not trying to be an asshole. Most of the people either have no idea what scum look like or are scum themselves, and so call me scum because I'm super active, to the point, and vindictive about my reads. This is town behavior, because I actually care about who's getting lynched. I'm calling people idiots at this point because I'm angry.
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On April 06 2013 13:06 Moloch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 12:58 Rainbows wrote:
@ Moloch
Come on. Answer me. You said I'm being over-the-top aggressive and shouting at people to do what I want. Prove it, quote me.
You also say I'm very sure about my reads. But I've presented small cases on many people now. How does this make sense? Be a bit more patient next time. I had to answer the door and get my pizza.
Dat soft town claim :p /jokepost
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And I've only called people stupid since last page :D
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The basic consensus here, is that we need to lynch somebody soon. People need to take a stance.
You can vote me if you want to, but all of the vets will be sighing in the QT and post-game.
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On April 06 2013 13:22 Moloch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 13:12 Rainbows wrote:On April 06 2013 13:06 Moloch wrote:On April 06 2013 12:58 Rainbows wrote:
@ Moloch
Come on. Answer me. You said I'm being over-the-top aggressive and shouting at people to do what I want. Prove it, quote me.
You also say I'm very sure about my reads. But I've presented small cases on many people now. How does this make sense? Be a bit more patient next time. I had to answer the door and get my pizza. Dat soft town claim :p /jokepost Hahaha. Want a picture? 
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