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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
On April 22 2013 10:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay. Next question: As this was your last post before that, the part where you mention Oats: What made you vote for Oats now but not before? What has changed between these posts of yours? Reading his filter again. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Also was me asking VE what made Palmar town trying to dissuade a town read, or trying to solidify my read? What is the difference and why does that make me scummy? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
@Vivax On April 22 2013 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote: Palmar's explanation for why he gave you a townread doesn't make sense to me and I want to question it. No one is confirmed fuck-all until they flip, but you throw it around based on the fact that they posted in the thread before you. I'd call that as you being reckless. Not scum, not town. Palmar disagrees and has cited some kind of reasoning. I wish to hear it. This is the most bothersome quote in Hopeless' filter. It reads to me as if he already knows Vivax is town, so he's not thinking about the play in every possible scenario. If Vivax is town: The play is indeed somewhat reckless, but it also has some degree of accuracy. Mafia generally will float towards their QT at the beginning to check out their new toy, and coordinate. This is not fool proof, but is at least grounded in logic, and offers a decent way to focus your search during the first day. If Vivax is mafia: The play is bad. He's given out several townreads (which always sticks in peoples mind as mafia oriented), and he potentially denies himself opportunities for easy mislynches or he has to go back on his town reads. Whether or not that makes him suspicious to everyone else is moot, because it will make him feel like he's being suspicious and less safe. If Vivax is third party: This is pretty much the same as if he's town as his main goal is just survival, and scum hunting will help in that survival. That Hopeless does not seem to ever figure out why Palmar can attach town value to Vivax's statement, and that he does not seem to have mentally played out each situation is suspicious. There's a more I could write, but as is I would A) like to see more from him so I can see if he follows the same patterns I'm seeing B) I would prefer other lynches over him at this point. When I see more from him I will reevaluate again as to whether he should be more of a priority lynch. I do consider him a good lynch, and likely mafia, but there are others I would lynch before him. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
ShiaoPi still hasn't responded to my question, but hasn't been around to do so. I do expect an answer when you return. On April 22 2013 05:03 ObviousOne wrote: In the mean time, ShiaoPi why did you want to kill Bill Murray as your first game post? It doesn't exactly jive with your previous post in the pre-game. Explain please. @Sylencia, I would be most pleased if you could follow up with reads as you have them instead of posting them in batches, especially considering I have witnessed your activity levels in at least one past game where you post from work (This Town Ain't Big Enough, for example) so even if your questions are repeats of things that happen on future pages it would help a lot with getting a read on you to bang them out. I don't think you're scum necessarily yet; I just want to see more from you. Help me out? @Rayn, not really feeling a Sharrant lynch anytime in the near foreseeable future. The BM situation should be resolved tonight (hopefully). As far as TRN it's not so much that he is scummy, it's that he's lacking qualities that point to townie. He's deserving of scrutiny and I am keeping my eye on him as a possible candidate for today. Who's your second choice for lynch today and why? Gonna peruse another filter or two. I think I saw that Oats is somewhat a hot topic for discussion, I will weigh in on that when I return. @Ace, holler at me who you want to lynch outside of the BM situation, and why. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On April 22 2013 04:56 Sharrant wrote: @TheRavensName Who would you like to lynch right now? Could you please link me to any games you have played on TL or elsewhere? Do you think Oats is more likely scum, or more likely town? Since I was asked, I have been in the last 3 NMM games in a row, your free to find them yourself (Isn't there a big database of games?) but I don't really think I can read into how I playbecause I ended up playing differently all three games. I don't know how Oats plays so I dunno if he really just spams that much at the start, so I will ignore that. I like how he points out the thing about Palmer's town read and trying to act like it was super awesome when it didn't do much so yea.... I feel like its a good point and its the only thing of any real substance in his filter. So, I would like to see something that seems more useful; I don't want to make a judgement off of basically one real point repeated a few points. I would be against lynching Rayn. In one of the Newbie games we played together we were in a similar situation and he took the opportunity to rip through me and just tunnel the entire game, so I think if he was scum this would be unlike him and I feel like I could have been a pretty easy push if he wanted to since he managed to basically do it before off less, even if there are much better people here who could see through it. (Unless he wantsto be my budy. dun dun dun.) In the same vain, I think Sharrant started out by taking a really easy way out of attacking me right out the gate and then just focuses on me and pushes around till hearing a few people saying that I was at least not scum, and then hops on Rayn without any real expliantion besides that hes going after BM for the miller soft claim and the fact that BM seems to be being useless, but that makes Ray more scummy then BM or someone else when Ray is actually being fairly active? So based off what I can figure out, I dislike Sharrant. He was convinced I was vote worthy, then hoped off before I got a chance to respond, but doesn't want to make a comment on BM til lBM shows up. Seems sketchy for me, and would probably be my vote target at the moment, but there is plenty of reading to be done and lots of time for more things to read.  | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
On April 22 2013 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote: Why is me being 'wrong' make me scummy giygas. Also was me asking VE what made Palmar town trying to dissuade a town read, or trying to solidify my read? What is the difference and why does that make me scummy? You being 'wrong' isn't really anything against you, I just figured I might as well add it in. Actively trying to spread suspicion by stopping town reads is what scum wants to do. When I read it it seemed to me that you wanted to dissuade a town read. On April 22 2013 10:21 kushm4sta wrote: Giygas as your self appointed lawyer I must remind you that you do not have to answer any of these questions, as you have not yet been charged with a crime. Thanks kush, haha. | ||
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Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
On April 22 2013 01:38 getmoript wrote: I think there's a reasonable value oddly enought to the Vivax conjecture. Anyone who posted early is more likely, as a general rule, to be town as scum are more likely consult a QT for direction and coordinate first. The problem with the heuristic is quite simply that it doesn't work for everyone equally; as a general rule, I think it's likely to be true, but without applying it to the specific people that posted early makes it more of a generally worthless statement. Sylencia -- As far as I know he is a noob, so I'm guessing more likely town then yamato--I am unaware of his scum tendencies, but don't think that posting early is indicative either way oats--AFAIK he's a vet, in the least he's towards the spammy aggressive side which makes posting early non-alignment indicative WoS--he always rolls scum so there's that I guess geript--Clearly an egotistical maniac and posted in The Game early as scum, so again non-alignment indicative Shaio--No clue as to experience, wanting to kill BM is more likely town Vivax--I'm not familiar enough with his meta, but the odd statement alone makes me think he's more likely town as I don't think he's crazy enough to spout that as scum So far, the list of people that I'm not interested in lynching today: Sylencia Vivax Shaio Palmar As much as I loathe to admit it, I think this post was made by a townie. I think everyone can see how objectively scummy this post is, but the following post reads townie enough that I don't think he's a good lynch at this point. On April 22 2013 01:48 getmoript wrote: How would you even know this? Are you scum? Did you receive a QT in your PM? Did you receive the QT in the same pm or a different pm? You are treading on highly suspicious ground for me because as a hydra I received my hydra QT in the same PM. You aren't a hydra clearly. How would you know that? I don't think he's faking this. I think at this point in the game he earnestly thinks he just nailed one of the mafia in a slip up. I read someone who is a little paranoid, but excited because he's sure he just bagged the day 1 lynch in town's favour. The other thing is that even with how objectively scummy the first post is, he follows the exact same train of thought that I did regarding Vivax's alignment based solely off of that post. I don't think he puts nearly as much stock in it's reflection on Vivax as I do, but he definitely comes out on the right side of this one by saying that it makes Vivax look townie. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On April 22 2013 10:32 TheRavensName wrote: Thank you for directing me to the podcast. I ended up listening to it while I did some work and read the thread before having to run off to do some errands. Huge help in making me understand a little bit more. Still not sure I understand how spam is town, but apparently the expliantion is spam is townie... Since basically they said if your really active no one will want to kill you and that seems like good scum motivation too. + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2013 04:56 Sharrant wrote: @TheRavensName Who would you like to lynch right now? Could you please link me to any games you have played on TL or elsewhere? Do you think Oats is more likely scum, or more likely town? Since I was asked, I have been in the last 3 NMM games in a row, your free to find them yourself (Isn't there a big database of games?) but I don't really think I can read into how I playbecause I ended up playing differently all three games. I don't know how Oats plays so I dunno if he really just spams that much at the start, so I will ignore that. I like how he points out the thing about Palmer's town read and trying to act like it was super awesome when it didn't do much so yea.... I feel like its a good point and its the only thing of any real substance in his filter. So, I would like to see something that seems more useful; I don't want to make a judgement off of basically one real point repeated a few points. I would be against lynching Rayn. In one of the Newbie games we played together we were in a similar situation and he took the opportunity to rip through me and just tunnel the entire game, so I think if he was scum this would be unlike him and I feel like I could have been a pretty easy push if he wanted to since he managed to basically do it before off less, even if there are much better people here who could see through it. (Unless he wantsto be my budy. dun dun dun.) In the same vain, I think Sharrant started out by taking a really easy way out of attacking me right out the gate and then just focuses on me and pushes around till hearing a few people saying that I was at least not scum, and then hops on Rayn without any real expliantion besides that hes going after BM for the miller soft claim and the fact that BM seems to be being useless, but that makes Ray more scummy then BM or someone else when Ray is actually being fairly active? So based off what I can figure out, I dislike Sharrant. He was convinced I was vote worthy, then hoped off before I got a chance to respond, but doesn't want to make a comment on BM til lBM shows up. Seems sketchy for me, and would probably be my vote target at the moment, but there is plenty of reading to be done and lots of time for more things to read. Your sentences are the run-onniest. You're basing your entire read on Rayn on the one game of meta you have with him and how he treated you specifically this game? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
@Rayn, not really feeling a Sharrant lynch anytime in the near foreseeable future. The BM situation should be resolved tonight (hopefully). As far as TRN it's not so much that he is scummy, it's that he's lacking qualities that point to townie. He's deserving of scrutiny and I am keeping my eye on him as a possible candidate for today. Who's your second choice for lynch today and why? Yeah tbh i'm not willing to lynch Sharrant atm. Maybe it's just my hatred towards things i find to be really annoying (like refusing to search people's games by yourself and just waiting for them to point out what games they have played here). I know from personal experience that TRN is really easy person to discredit and to get defensive (look at NMXXXIX for example). I think that's what happened with TRN/Vivax here, and i don't see the same pattern when i read TRN game where he was scum on. I thought Sharrant's case was just creating an easy lynch wagon, but i can now see that people think TRN's actions as scummy. I hope TRN answers Sharrant's questions and gives some thoughts about the happenings so far when he gets back. Hopeless / Geript atm. Those two for reasons i have already pointed out in thread. GiygaS is looking worse aswell. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Which post are you referring to? This one: + Show Spoiler + On March 25 2013 17:59 ShiaoPi wrote: /obs or if you want a cohost with an East asian timezone, I'd be up for that too  Still got shittons of catching up to do, just saw that as I scrolled over the last page | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 22 2013 10:33 GiygaS wrote: You being 'wrong' isn't really anything against you, I just figured I might as well add it in. Actively trying to spread suspicion by stopping town reads is what scum wants to do. When I read it it seemed to me that you wanted to dissuade a town read. Thanks kush, haha. The bolded part. How did you miss that's exactly what Hopeless is doing? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On April 22 2013 10:40 WaveofShadow wrote: Your sentences are the run-onniest. You're basing your entire read on Rayn on the one game of meta you have with him and how he treated you specifically this game? Its enough that I like him a little more then everyone else. I am taking it with a grain of salt though. I was under the impression that out of 25 people one should do what they can to try and limit the number just a little bit to a more managable size. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On April 22 2013 10:46 TheRavensName wrote: Its enough that I like him a little more then everyone else. I am taking it with a grain of salt though. I was under the impression that out of 25 people one should do what they can to try and limit the number just a little bit to a more managable size. Considering the size of his filter and the degree to which he has been under scrutiny thus far in the game, no, I don't think that's enough at all. If you read into him even a little bit I think you'd have plenty to go on; your read is lazy imo. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On April 22 2013 10:44 ShiaoPi wrote: @ObviousOne: Which post are you referring to? This one: + Show Spoiler + On March 25 2013 17:59 ShiaoPi wrote: /obs or if you want a cohost with an East asian timezone, I'd be up for that too Still got shittons of catching up to do, just saw that as I scrolled over the last page Just in general I want to get a feel for what it is that you are apprehensive about when it comes to BM. The first of the two quote, for what it's worth. What I basically wanted to suss out of you was what was the reason for wanting to kill BM? Funzies? Start conversation? Looking forward to that answer and whatever you're bringing to the table when you're caught up. Thanks. | ||
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Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
@Oats You called Palmar scum, I'd love to know why. I don't see Palmar being scum at this point. Show me how Palmar is scum and maybe you will get a couple townie points. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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