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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
May 16 2013 17:48 GMT
#5781
Are you absolutely certain that BH didn't throw all these roles into the game? Because unless you are I see no reason to risk losing the game on that kind of a gamble.

Why do you have geript as more likely to be town?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 16 2013 17:52 GMT
#5782
On May 17 2013 02:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 10:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 16 2013 10:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
geript, town has played horribly to the point of appearing as scum. Given that + how quickly the first few days went with auto raping of scum its no surprise we are in this state -_-


One of WoS and palmar is likely mafia. The other is geript/giggles.

Now I say this for one simple reason. Given how many flipped roles we have of fucking with our dts (which we seem to have a bunch of) it seems unlikely to have 1 framer, 1 unaware miller, 1 aware miller, and a paranoid dt. That screams bastard hosts far to much. As such one of the two is likely mafia (having 3 roles to fuck with dts not as asshattish).

Given that I know I am town. I also think the removal of marv seems unlikely if he was mafia. As such I am inclined to say giggles mafia.

Of WoS and Palmar I would need to take a closer look at their filters.

Except how can you be sure?
I found myself doubting the fact that TRN was town simply because I don't understand why you'd have 2 town masons and no scum mason (The Game's mason roles were balanced). I refuse to go on host bullshit any longer, and I'm going to be real pissed at the town and real pissed at myself for believing them if Geript is scum for letting him go on for so long doing absolutely dick all because 'modconfirmed town u guise.'



Masons are not the same as shit that fucks with checks. After talking to TRN it was pretty clear the guy was town. The biggest wtf on him maybe being scum is that mafia left him alive while shooting players like artanis. Seriously though, It on average will take you 3 checks to confirm your sanity as a dt. Unless you are sane / insane and someone you checked is lynched before your third check.

Average 3 days to confirm your sanity, + 2 millers + framer that means your dt is basically a non factor til day 3 if your lucky, 4 at best. If they checked a miller ever, thats a dead townie, if they checked a framed target thats a dead townie / confirmed mafia as town. If its a dead townie (and the dt claims hes figured out his sanity and the not) that is potentially a dead dt to town lynches.

The sheer level of stacking a game in favour for one side is huge with the existence of 3 millers + two cops with fucked sanities. Especially when one of those sanities is paranoid. It just leads to horrible levels of misslynch or clusterfuck of thread.

Yes talking balance can be a shitty slope. As someone who has hosted a ton of games, I make sure I don't do crap like this unless I balance the blues in another way. We have had 0 vig shots to date, 1 jailer and 2 masons. 1 jailor and 2 masons does not fix the issue of how unbalanced the dts + framer + millers is.

I just cannot believe both of you are town. If things stay as they are currently in the game for another few hours I will know if im off my rocker or if I am right.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 16 2013 17:58 GMT
#5783
On May 17 2013 02:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Are you absolutely certain that BH didn't throw all these roles into the game? Because unless you are I see no reason to risk losing the game on that kind of a gamble.

Why do you have geript as more likely to be town?


A few things.

He was masoned with Marv.
I know Marv respects my town play even though I think its shit (and i think ive proved im shitty as it this game)
Marv shoots me n1 if he knows im town and hes scum. Geript would be told to off me not rb me.
Marv would not risk a modkill that could fuck both him and Geript if he was scum. He has a bigger team to think about.
Geript overall IMO has done more to at least attempt to help the town this game than giggles.
I cannot recall a post of gigyas that actually looked like it was an attempt to help town. As such Geript town, gigyas scum.


And am I 100% certain? No, however he has 3 co hosts. Do you think none of them would go "thats fucking unbalanced as fuck"


Besides, given the last 16 hours I am 100% sure of my read on gigyas. That means one of you/palmar/geript is scum. I am pretty sure geript isn't which leaves you and Palmar.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
May 16 2013 18:00 GMT
#5784
I see you removed your vote, I appreciate it.
One of the only people I was absolutely sure was town was Gigs and due to the jailing BC is supposed to be town as well. I can technically vote into your pattern BC but I disagree with you on the Gigs/geript side of things, and i still have to re-read a bunch of things before I make any decisions.

I guess you probably won't answer but what do you mean 'if things stay as they are?'
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 16 2013 18:05 GMT
#5785
On May 17 2013 03:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
I see you removed your vote, I appreciate it.
One of the only people I was absolutely sure was town was Gigs and due to the jailing BC is supposed to be town as well. I can technically vote into your pattern BC but I disagree with you on the Gigs/geript side of things, and i still have to re-read a bunch of things before I make any decisions.

I guess you probably won't answer but what do you mean 'if things stay as they are?'


Simply put.

You, geript myself have all been in the thread since I voted. Palmar has been online on skype this entire time as well as being in the thread after my vote.

I know I am town. Every player in the game has been around since I put my vote where it is. Game is still going. If i was not on mafia they would have ended the game already. Shitty reason to you maybe, but game hasn't ended so I am using it as a confirmation practice.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
May 16 2013 18:08 GMT
#5786
So you think Gigs and Palmar? Simply due to inactivity when it counts? Hmm.
Again I'm uncomfortable just throwing a vote out until I've done what I want to do so you may have to wait a little while. It will happen tonight though. I am tempted to wait until Gigs shows up again as well just to see what he has to say.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 16 2013 18:12 GMT
#5787
On May 17 2013 03:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
So you think Gigs and Palmar? Simply due to inactivity when it counts? Hmm.
Again I'm uncomfortable just throwing a vote out until I've done what I want to do so you may have to wait a little while. It will happen tonight though. I am tempted to wait until Gigs shows up again as well just to see what he has to say.


To be honest dude. Part of my reason for doing this now is simply this. Im gone virtually all weekend. I leave tonight in 5ish hours and might be able to get on tommorrow and then at most, voting / 1 post a day to avoid modkill via my phone. I am out at the gfs cottage for the long weekend for her moms bday and cell reception is spotty at best. I knew this and knew if I "rush" voted that either Id catch a scum or game would end. Again, all 5 players have been active, and if gigs is town game would be over by now. Palmar, you, geript have all been around since i voted and game would be done.

In my head I just need to catch the last one, and I think thats likely Palmar.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
getmoript
Profile Joined March 2013
1016 Posts
May 16 2013 20:15 GMT
#5788
That's a similar line of reasoning I have for palmar being scum, but it works for me. Come on Wave, join us.
Hydra of geript and Cavalinho
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 16 2013 20:30 GMT
#5789
What we know now, is that WoS is not scum if giygas is town, and neither am I.

Not sure what this information brings me, but I'm almost certain it can be made sense of.
Computer says mafia
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
May 16 2013 20:33 GMT
#5790
Vote Count

giygas (2): BC, getmoript
palmar (0): getmoript

5 alive, 3 to lynch

When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 16 2013 20:41 GMT
#5791
WoS, assume for a second that I am not scum, which you probably should know by now.

Do you think it's plausible one of BC/getmoript is town and this is a bus?

I'm not certain at all, but I don't like this wagon and I'd much rather lynch into the people on it.
Computer says mafia
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 16 2013 20:45 GMT
#5792
On May 17 2013 05:41 Palmar wrote:
WoS, assume for a second that I am not scum, which you probably should know by now.

Do you think it's plausible one of BC/getmoript is town and this is a bus?

I'm not certain at all, but I don't like this wagon and I'd much rather lynch into the people on it.


who do you think is scum Palmar?
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
May 16 2013 20:47 GMT
#5793
I don't like this wagon either.
I certainly don't think it's a bus this late into the game.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 16 2013 20:47 GMT
#5794
On May 17 2013 05:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 05:41 Palmar wrote:
WoS, assume for a second that I am not scum, which you probably should know by now.

Do you think it's plausible one of BC/getmoript is town and this is a bus?

I'm not certain at all, but I don't like this wagon and I'd much rather lynch into the people on it.


who do you think is scum Palmar?


geript and you.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 16 2013 20:48 GMT
#5795
or well, I am still uncertain, but that's my current theory.
Computer says mafia
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
May 16 2013 20:48 GMT
#5796
Ugh this goes completely against my palmar/geript scumline of thinking though, if palmar were scum and gigs town it would be over already.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 16 2013 20:51 GMT
#5797
On May 17 2013 05:47 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 05:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 17 2013 05:41 Palmar wrote:
WoS, assume for a second that I am not scum, which you probably should know by now.

Do you think it's plausible one of BC/getmoript is town and this is a bus?

I'm not certain at all, but I don't like this wagon and I'd much rather lynch into the people on it.


who do you think is scum Palmar?


geript and you.


Why? Please explain how I am scum given everything that has happened this game.

#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
May 16 2013 20:51 GMT
#5798
Haha I'm talking about this to my wife right now and she's says you're scum, Palmar.
GG.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 16 2013 20:53 GMT
#5799
On May 17 2013 05:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
Haha I'm talking about this to my wife right now and she's says you're scum, Palmar.
GG.


That means both geript and I nailed the mafia with our votes.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
May 16 2013 20:57 GMT
#5800
Alright let me think here. Thought diarrhea to help me out:
Palmar/BC scumteam unlikely due to jailing? (unless you two are super fucking sneaky and you jailed scum N1. ANything is possible at this point I guess)
Palmar/geript impossible (gigs would have been dead and gg)

gigs/geript possible
BC/geript possible.
BC/gigs impossible (Palmar would have been dead and gg)
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