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+ Show Spoiler [Summary] +Lynchs:
D1 Oats
D2 Clarity
D3 Sylencia
D4 Shiao
D5 Ace
D6 Yamato
D7 Kush
NKs
N1 Vivax + ??? (likely Ace)
N2 Grush + Rayn
N3 MrCC
N4 VE
N5 OO
N6 Sharrant
N7 TRN
Roleblocks:
N1 Palmar + BC
N2 Ace + ??? (likely Ace)
N3 Ace + VE
N4 Ace ???
N5 BC??
N6 ???
Palmar checks:
N1: BC--roleblocked
N2: BC--red
N3: VE--red
N4: none
N5: WoS--red
N6: Geript--red
N7: ???
+ Show Spoiler [Palmar pushes] +D1: Oats/Geript/VE + Show Spoiler +On April 22 2013 09:27 Palmar wrote:
VE is to me one of the easiest people to read in this game. Not worried enough about him to spend time wondering about stuff like that. --Basically useless D1 which is his "best day" for scum hunting and admitted to be intentionally useless early to try and not get NK'd N1. D2: VE / Clarity sheep for no reason D3: BC challenge thing with roleclaim / Sylencia D4: obv Shiao D5: Ace for 3p + Show Spoiler +On May 03 2013 06:02 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 05:54 yamato77 wrote:On May 03 2013 05:52 Sharrant wrote:On May 03 2013 05:49 WaveofShadow wrote:How so yamato? Also wtf Sharrant you accuse me of not reading then you say this? On May 03 2013 05:35 Sharrant wrote:On May 03 2013 05:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Sharrant you're wrong, there are no scum vigis left; if there were they wasted their shots on Ace or something. There is no way in hell scum would be sitting on vigi shots this late in the game. Ace is 3p, deal with it. I agree we don't lynch him yet. Vote Hopeless and let's end this day because there doesn't seem to be anything left to say. Palmar is useless and this: Whether or not he's third party, it is not good town play to lynch him. He still may be town, and either way he's one of the stronger analysts in the game. I'd rather have the counsel of a man who knows he is doomed to lose, than potentially kill a townie AND waste time not killing mafia when Ace is already a completely solved situation. is dumb. Have you not noticed Ace's considerable lack of contribution since being RBed every night? He has no desire to help town anymore because he knows he's caught. Your constant hard defenses of him in the face of overwhelming evidence troubles me, Sharrant. It seems like you've lost your way somewhere in this game. ##Vote: Hopeless1der How are you failing at reading so hard? If a scum vigi shot on night 2 it would be exactly the same as if a serial poisoner acted on night one. Please keep up. Lynching him hurts town right now.I hate playing follow the cop, it's just boring. I'm waffling on lynching Hopeless right now, going to try and figure out if I want to lynch Yamato more or less. On May 03 2013 05:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Sharrant you're wrong, there are no scum vigis left; if there were they wasted their shots on Ace or something. There is no way in hell scum would be sitting on vigi shots this late in the game. Ace is 3p, deal with it. I agree we don't lynch him yet.Vote Hopeless and let's end this day because there doesn't seem to be anything left to say. Palmar is useless and this: Whether or not he's third party, it is not good town play to lynch him. He still may be town, and either way he's one of the stronger analysts in the game. I'd rather have the counsel of a man who knows he is doomed to lose, than potentially kill a townie AND waste time not killing mafia when Ace is already a completely solved situation. is dumb. Have you not noticed Ace's considerable lack of contribution since being RBed every night? He has no desire to help town anymore because he knows he's caught. Your constant hard defenses of him in the face of overwhelming evidence troubles me, Sharrant. It seems like you've lost your way somewhere in this game. ##Vote: Hopeless1der Because I clearly explained where the vigi (if the scum have another vigi) had fired, and you were saying that the scum wouldn't have withheld their shot. It made no sense in the context of the conversation. It's completely out of place. I said it's possible scum could have fired on n2 if they had a second vigi, killing grush, and it would appear just the same as if a third party had done it. You responded with "Sharrant you're wrong, there are no scum vigis left; if there were they wasted their shots on Ace or something. There is no way in hell scum would be sitting on vigi shots this late in the game. Ace is 3p, deal with it. I agree we don't lynch him yet." I find it highly unlike that a mafia shot was used on Grush. As do I, but the whole reason we're having this conversation is because Palmar sait that Ace is confirmed as third party, however unlikely mafia shooting Grush is, only mafia know for certain whether Ace is third party or not. Thus it is very important.And yeah, WoS, I just felt it needed to be reminded to everyone else again. Only the first bit was about you, the rest was to everyone else. Patience and repetition. Hey, Palmar, what checks did you do, and what results did you receive? You checked BC (RB'ed), BC (guilty), VE (guilty) is there one I'm missing? D6: BC yet again after calling him likely town / Yamato D7: Getmoript
Basically if you read the filter, all Palmtree has been doing all game is flat out calling people scum for no reason whatsoever. He refuses to actually produce any sort of analysis and continually talks about how much shit he's done. If someone calls him scum, then he calls them scum and his name has way more weight behind it for no reason. He's been intentionally useless all game long and as of D8 HAS YET TO LEAD A LYNCH ON SCUM!!!. I have a real hard time believing that Palmar is absolutely this bad. In fact, with the exception of Clarity everyone who is dead who he's called scum was green and he didn't do shit at all to push Clarity. Looking at the NKs, I can't see a reason for scum to not kill Palmar on N5 in line with the rest of the cops unless they already knew that that he was paranoid which of course is impossible considering his 2 results to that point. On top of that, as best we can know BOTH SCUM AND TOWN seem to have roleblocked Ace on N2; because of Ace's response to Palmar's claimed "taking a hit" I think Ace actually took a hit N1 which lead to scum RBing him on N2. Plus, throughout the series of Palmar's pushes against more vet players he completely avoids pushing Ace entirely. Palmar must be scum; why else would he be alive at this point?
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Geript, why is BC alive?
Do you believe they are both scum?
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Not entirely sure. It's a fair question to ask why any of BC/Palmar/me are alive. I'm guessing that BC has been kept around because he's not been great and because Palmar being alive and BC not being alive is almost a sure scum tell.
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Missed the second question. Not entirely sure, it's possible I guess. I'm thinking one of Palmar/BC is scum and one of You/Giygas is scum. BC's is more right than Palmar and earlier.
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Calling my "sheep" on clarity having no reason is a gross misrepresentation Geript.
Hell, there were confirmed townies who sheeped MY reasons for lynching Clarity.
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On May 16 2013 08:42 Palmar wrote:
Calling my "sheep" on clarity having no reason is a gross misrepresentation Geript.
Hell, there were confirmed townies who sheeped MY reasons for lynching Clarity.
[spioler]On April 27 2013 18:58 Palmar wrote:
Still think VE is the best lynch.
But I do agree with a clarity lynch. I still don't understand how he entered the thread "catching up" and then had a fully fledged case within an hour. There was additionally no interest in pushing that lynch any harder. There is literally not a single "sharrant" in his filter after the case.
It just doesn't feel natural. He didn't ask Sharrant anything to try to determine his alignment, no "hey sharrant, explain this" or "what do you think about this". Just a straight up case with no build-up and no follow-up. Which basically tells me his heart wasn't really in it.
So with that I'm switching my vote to Clarity.
Lessgo.
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This is the most I saw you write on him and comes after pushing VE for a while. I don't consider that amazing especially since those numerous 'confirmed townies' were 2 CC and Kush. Now who's lying since wasn't it Vivax and BM who brought Clarity to the forefront?
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On May 16 2013 08:53 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 08:42 Palmar wrote:
Calling my "sheep" on clarity having no reason is a gross misrepresentation Geript.
Hell, there were confirmed townies who sheeped MY reasons for lynching Clarity. [spioler] Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 18:58 Palmar wrote:
Still think VE is the best lynch.
But I do agree with a clarity lynch. I still don't understand how he entered the thread "catching up" and then had a fully fledged case within an hour. There was additionally no interest in pushing that lynch any harder. There is literally not a single "sharrant" in his filter after the case.
It just doesn't feel natural. He didn't ask Sharrant anything to try to determine his alignment, no "hey sharrant, explain this" or "what do you think about this". Just a straight up case with no build-up and no follow-up. Which basically tells me his heart wasn't really in it.
So with that I'm switching my vote to Clarity.
Lessgo.
This is the most I saw you write on him and comes after pushing VE for a while. I don't consider that amazing especially since those numerous 'confirmed townies' were 2 CC and Kush. Now who's lying since wasn't it Vivax and BM who brought Clarity to the forefront? [/spoiler]
Where did I say numerous?
I said "There were confirmed townies who sheeped my reasons for lynching Clarity"
Is this sentence false? I don't understand what you're getting at?
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Also, just so I have your metrics clear. Am I correct in my understanding that it's scummy for me not to have lead a lynch on scum by day 8, but not scummy for you? It's scummy that I haven't been shot, but not you? It's scummy that "I refuse to give analysis" but the fact that I probably have twice the amount you have, but that's ok?
I just want us to be on the same page for the discussion. Are these three things all true?
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On May 16 2013 09:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 08:53 getmoript wrote:On May 16 2013 08:42 Palmar wrote:
Calling my "sheep" on clarity having no reason is a gross misrepresentation Geript.
Hell, there were confirmed townies who sheeped MY reasons for lynching Clarity. [spioler] On April 27 2013 18:58 Palmar wrote:
Still think VE is the best lynch.
But I do agree with a clarity lynch. I still don't understand how he entered the thread "catching up" and then had a fully fledged case within an hour. There was additionally no interest in pushing that lynch any harder. There is literally not a single "sharrant" in his filter after the case.
It just doesn't feel natural. He didn't ask Sharrant anything to try to determine his alignment, no "hey sharrant, explain this" or "what do you think about this". Just a straight up case with no build-up and no follow-up. Which basically tells me his heart wasn't really in it.
So with that I'm switching my vote to Clarity.
Lessgo.
This is the most I saw you write on him and comes after pushing VE for a while. I don't consider that amazing especially since those numerous 'confirmed townies' were 2 CC and Kush. Now who's lying since wasn't it Vivax and BM who brought Clarity to the forefront? Where did I say numerous? I said "There were confirmed townies who sheeped my reasons for lynching Clarity" Is this sentence false? I don't understand what you're getting at? [/spoiler]
Who were those confirmed townies?
I believe I asked you something similar to this when I was making cases against you earlier on and I don't remember there being a conclusive answer.
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On May 16 2013 09:04 Palmar wrote:
Also, just so I have your metrics clear. Am I correct in my understanding that it's scummy for me not to have lead a lynch on scum by day 8, but not scummy for you? It's scummy that I haven't been shot, but not you? It's scummy that "I refuse to give analysis" but the fact that I probably have twice the amount you have, but that's ok?
I just want us to be on the same page for the discussion. Are these three things all true?
ohhhhhhh shit G-ript you just got told.
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And just to bring up the possibility, one of my checks hasn't flipped, mafia may know that I am paranoid.
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On May 16 2013 09:05 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 09:00 Palmar wrote:On May 16 2013 08:53 getmoript wrote:On May 16 2013 08:42 Palmar wrote:
Calling my "sheep" on clarity having no reason is a gross misrepresentation Geript.
Hell, there were confirmed townies who sheeped MY reasons for lynching Clarity. [spioler] On April 27 2013 18:58 Palmar wrote:
Still think VE is the best lynch.
But I do agree with a clarity lynch. I still don't understand how he entered the thread "catching up" and then had a fully fledged case within an hour. There was additionally no interest in pushing that lynch any harder. There is literally not a single "sharrant" in his filter after the case.
It just doesn't feel natural. He didn't ask Sharrant anything to try to determine his alignment, no "hey sharrant, explain this" or "what do you think about this". Just a straight up case with no build-up and no follow-up. Which basically tells me his heart wasn't really in it.
So with that I'm switching my vote to Clarity.
Lessgo.
This is the most I saw you write on him and comes after pushing VE for a while. I don't consider that amazing especially since those numerous 'confirmed townies' were 2 CC and Kush. Now who's lying since wasn't it Vivax and BM who brought Clarity to the forefront? Where did I say numerous? I said "There were confirmed townies who sheeped my reasons for lynching Clarity" Is this sentence false? I don't understand what you're getting at? Who were those confirmed townies? I believe I asked you something similar to this when I was making cases against you earlier on and I don't remember there being a conclusive answer. [/spoiler]
Kush and CC, I think, or maybe Bill Murray agreed with my reasons with his vote already there. Want me to go back and check?
I'm pretty sure Kush said something like "Palmar convinced me to vote Clarity".
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On May 16 2013 09:06 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 09:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 16 2013 09:00 Palmar wrote:On May 16 2013 08:53 getmoript wrote:On May 16 2013 08:42 Palmar wrote:
Calling my "sheep" on clarity having no reason is a gross misrepresentation Geript.
Hell, there were confirmed townies who sheeped MY reasons for lynching Clarity. [spioler] On April 27 2013 18:58 Palmar wrote:
Still think VE is the best lynch.
But I do agree with a clarity lynch. I still don't understand how he entered the thread "catching up" and then had a fully fledged case within an hour. There was additionally no interest in pushing that lynch any harder. There is literally not a single "sharrant" in his filter after the case.
It just doesn't feel natural. He didn't ask Sharrant anything to try to determine his alignment, no "hey sharrant, explain this" or "what do you think about this". Just a straight up case with no build-up and no follow-up. Which basically tells me his heart wasn't really in it.
So with that I'm switching my vote to Clarity.
Lessgo.
This is the most I saw you write on him and comes after pushing VE for a while. I don't consider that amazing especially since those numerous 'confirmed townies' were 2 CC and Kush. Now who's lying since wasn't it Vivax and BM who brought Clarity to the forefront? Where did I say numerous? I said "There were confirmed townies who sheeped my reasons for lynching Clarity" Is this sentence false? I don't understand what you're getting at? Who were those confirmed townies? I believe I asked you something similar to this when I was making cases against you earlier on and I don't remember there being a conclusive answer. Kush and CC, I think, or maybe Bill Murray agreed with my reasons with his vote already there. Want me to go back and check? I'm pretty sure Kush said something like "Palmar convinced me to vote Clarity". [/spoiler]
Yeah, if that's ok.
I'm still trying to determine what the best way of attacking the day is; I have some ideas but I'm going to need time.
BC and Gigs, if you two are town you'd better get the fuck back here and start some goddamn discussion or something.
If you're scum, don't bother.
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I'll be in soon, but I'll offer this. It's very probable that either/both of geript/Palmar are scum. 50/50. The reason for this is that if Palmar is town, and a town voted for town, mafia would jump on that instantly and win the game. If geript is scum, voting for town, he's waiting on a townie to vote, for his scummate to then jump on and win.
Let's be careful.
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On May 16 2013 09:16 GiygaS wrote:
I'll be in soon, but I'll offer this. It's very probable that either/both of geript/Palmar are scum. 50/50. The reason for this is that if Palmar is town, and a town voted for town, mafia would jump on that instantly and win the game. If geript is scum, voting for town, he's waiting on a townie to vote, for his scummate to then jump on and win.
Let's be careful.
Good point, it's not very responsible to stick down your vote as town.
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On May 16 2013 09:04 Palmar wrote:
Also, just so I have your metrics clear. Am I correct in my understanding that it's scummy for me not to have lead a lynch on scum by day 8, but not scummy for you? It's scummy that I haven't been shot, but not you? It's scummy that "I refuse to give analysis" but the fact that I probably have twice the amount you have, but that's ok?
I just want us to be on the same page for the discussion. Are these three things all true?
No, I admitted that there's no good reason for BC, you or me to be alive. And yes, I hold a good player to a higher standard than myself. Can you explain why you've been so wrong Emperor Palmtree?
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On May 16 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 09:06 Palmar wrote:On May 16 2013 09:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 16 2013 09:00 Palmar wrote:On May 16 2013 08:53 getmoript wrote:On May 16 2013 08:42 Palmar wrote:
Calling my "sheep" on clarity having no reason is a gross misrepresentation Geript.
Hell, there were confirmed townies who sheeped MY reasons for lynching Clarity. [spioler] On April 27 2013 18:58 Palmar wrote:
Still think VE is the best lynch.
But I do agree with a clarity lynch. I still don't understand how he entered the thread "catching up" and then had a fully fledged case within an hour. There was additionally no interest in pushing that lynch any harder. There is literally not a single "sharrant" in his filter after the case.
It just doesn't feel natural. He didn't ask Sharrant anything to try to determine his alignment, no "hey sharrant, explain this" or "what do you think about this". Just a straight up case with no build-up and no follow-up. Which basically tells me his heart wasn't really in it.
So with that I'm switching my vote to Clarity.
Lessgo.
This is the most I saw you write on him and comes after pushing VE for a while. I don't consider that amazing especially since those numerous 'confirmed townies' were 2 CC and Kush. Now who's lying since wasn't it Vivax and BM who brought Clarity to the forefront? Where did I say numerous? I said "There were confirmed townies who sheeped my reasons for lynching Clarity" Is this sentence false? I don't understand what you're getting at? Who were those confirmed townies? I believe I asked you something similar to this when I was making cases against you earlier on and I don't remember there being a conclusive answer. Kush and CC, I think, or maybe Bill Murray agreed with my reasons with his vote already there. Want me to go back and check? I'm pretty sure Kush said something like "Palmar convinced me to vote Clarity". Yeah, if that's ok. I'm still trying to determine what the best way of attacking the day is; I have some ideas but I'm going to need time. BC and Gigs, if you two are town you'd better get the fuck back here and start some goddamn discussion or something. If you're scum, don't bother.
Here you go:
On April 27 2013 20:05 Bill Murray wrote:
Palmar gave my reasoning, when I first attacked the case: the timing of it is suspect. "oh i was reading 70 pages an hour before that" "oh i had time to filter dive" "oh i went back and read the 2 pages randomly" yeah, no.
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On April 28 2013 06:47 kushm4sta wrote:
palmar convinced me to vote clarity!
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On May 16 2013 09:28 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 09:04 Palmar wrote:
Also, just so I have your metrics clear. Am I correct in my understanding that it's scummy for me not to have lead a lynch on scum by day 8, but not scummy for you? It's scummy that I haven't been shot, but not you? It's scummy that "I refuse to give analysis" but the fact that I probably have twice the amount you have, but that's ok?
I just want us to be on the same page for the discussion. Are these three things all true? No, I admitted that there's no good reason for BC, you or me to be alive. And yes, I hold a good player to a higher standard than myself. Can you explain why you've been so wrong Emperor Palmtree?
Do you stand by your assessment that I have done no analysis or refused to give reasoning this game? Is this opinion of yours based on extensive read of my filter?
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I want to lynch either Palmar or geript for the reasons above, I'm gonna go through both filters tonight and decide from there. I urge the rest of the town to focus on these two as well.
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