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On May 17 2013 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Apparently I deleted one by accident. Palmar/gigs possible. this is the most likely as i see things. I say this because of the fact I know my alignment. (obviously you could disagree with me). However, given that I know I am town, and based on thread activity, if Gigs is town, the only possible scum team is me / geript. However, if I am town, or geript is town, gigs is confirmed scum. Why? Because if gigs is town, and either I or geript is town then mafia could just end the day right now and win and have 0 reason to draw the game out. Basically its this WoS. You have to decide if you think Palmar is scum, or me. Palmar is actively trying to divert the lynch off gigyas and onto myself and geript. I think I have the game figured out, its now your call. If gigyas flips mafia, Palmar is scum and we win. | ||
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I'm going to take a while for this. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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On May 17 2013 06:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Fucking second game now it's coming down to me and I fucked it up the first time. I'm going to take a while for this. think of it this way. Do you think both geript and I are scum? Do you think one of us is town? If you think either of us is town, gigyas is confirmed mafia. Essentially geript is confirmed town (in my head anyway) and if you look at day 1 rbs then the only way I am scum is if scum defensively roleblocked a player most likely to get shot by a vig (if town had one) on a day town vig's couldnt shoot. There is absolutely no reason mafia would rb on day 1 defensively. | ||
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On May 17 2013 05:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Haha I'm talking about this to my wife right now and she's says you're scum, Palmar. GG. i don't know how to argue that.  | ||
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On May 17 2013 06:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Fucking second game now it's coming down to me and I fucked it up the first time. I'm going to take a while for this. please do. My problem here is that I find it unlikely that geript and BC would push the easiest town target so blatantly. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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On May 17 2013 06:25 Palmar wrote: please do. My problem here is that I find it unlikely that geript and BC would push the easiest town target so blatantly. At this point as scum Id never push a target Palmar. I'd wait for a townie to drop a vote on a non scum then auto hammer with my partner. Or id run the clock until enough time passed that a no lynch happened and town loses. There is absolutely no reason for me as scum to do what I am doing. You could argue thats why I am doing it but we both know I've caught mafia here. | ||
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On May 17 2013 06:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: think of it this way. Do you think both geript and I are scum? Do you think one of us is town? If you think either of us is town, gigyas is confirmed mafia. Essentially geript is confirmed town (in my head anyway) and if you look at day 1 rbs then the only way I am scum is if scum defensively roleblocked a player most likely to get shot by a vig (if town had one) on a day town vig's couldnt shoot. There is absolutely no reason mafia would rb on day 1 defensively. Alright. Re-reading my read of Giygas I found a whole bunch of evidence of a gigs/Palmar scumteam that I sort of ignored because of his early pushes on both Shiao and Clarity...but then there's shit like this. On April 26 2013 09:56 GiygaS wrote: Oh and my reading on Palmar is not town anymore, but scummy, but not as scummy as Ace or ShiaoPi Did he really bus his entire team that early into the game? | ||
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knowing I'm town these are the options available from my point of view: GiygaS is scum -> WoS is scum (I find this very, very unlikely). GiygaS is town -> WoS is confirmed town (this looks more likely to me) GiygaS is scum -> Geript or BC is bussing (this is the most unlikely one I think) | ||
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He essentially calls both Shiao and Clarity scum, then moves directly onto Palmar from there during talk about Ace. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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On May 17 2013 06:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright. Re-reading my read of Giygas I found a whole bunch of evidence of a gigs/Palmar scumteam that I sort of ignored because of his early pushes on both Shiao and Clarity...but then there's shit like this. Did he really bus his entire team that early into the game? He called Palmar scum never pushed it, Ace was third party (not his team) Shiaopi was inactive and likely an easy bus? I can say from experience that I have via pms / final death post as mafia bussed my entire team knowing full well the town would ignore them for the rest of the game. | ||
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On May 17 2013 06:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: At this point as scum Id never push a target Palmar. I'd wait for a townie to drop a vote on a non scum then auto hammer with my partner. Or id run the clock until enough time passed that a no lynch happened and town loses. There is absolutely no reason for me as scum to do what I am doing. You could argue thats why I am doing it but we both know I've caught mafia here. Problem is your theory makes me scum too, which is basically impossible, as I've laid out multiple times in this game. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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On May 17 2013 06:30 WaveofShadow wrote: What happens if I vote Palmar right now? If he is town mafia hammers and the game ends. Gigyas can only be town if both geript and I are scum. The likelyhood of both of us doing this when we could have easily gotten a misslynch on Palmar is very unlikely. Again, if you think either me or geript is town, Gigyas is now confirmed scum. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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On May 17 2013 06:30 Palmar wrote: Problem is your theory makes me scum too, which is basically impossible, as I've laid out multiple times in this game. Why is it impossible. Seriously. We know that I was scumblocked day 1 You were townblocked We have mafia framer we have one flipped unaware miller we have a claimed self aware miller we have a flipped insane dt we have a claimed paranoid dt that is 5 mechanics to fuck with the town via checks. Dts are going to eventually claim, and thus create the shit show we got day 3. No host imo will pull that shit. That leaves me with you or WoS as scum. Given that I was scumblocked day 1, it is virtually impossible for me to be mafia unless you believe that I did that day 1 in the hopes I would live this long just for a gambit that would be near unlikely to bear fruit. Seriously Palmar. One of you and WoS has to be mafia. As such Gigyas is confirmed mafia based on the votes and you are refusing to vote for him. This isnt a "i dont know" you have outright said hes town when its extremely obvious hes not. This is what makes you mafia. | ||
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On May 17 2013 06:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Why is it impossible. Seriously. We know that I was scumblocked day 1 You were townblocked We have mafia framer we have one flipped unaware miller we have a claimed self aware miller we have a flipped insane dt we have a claimed paranoid dt that is 5 mechanics to fuck with the town via checks. Dts are going to eventually claim, and thus create the shit show we got day 3. No host imo will pull that shit. That leaves me with you or WoS as scum. Given that I was scumblocked day 1, it is virtually impossible for me to be mafia unless you believe that I did that day 1 in the hopes I would live this long just for a gambit that would be near unlikely to bear fruit. Seriously Palmar. One of you and WoS has to be mafia. As such Gigyas is confirmed mafia based on the votes and you are refusing to vote for him. This isnt a "i dont know" you have outright said hes town when its extremely obvious hes not. This is what makes you mafia. It's impossible because of the sheer amount of effort, analysis I've put in the game. | ||
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On May 08 2013 14:25 Bill Murray wrote: well if palmar flips scum i know who i'm lynching and i'm going to be happy about it you were the weakest shiaopi "clear" i was considering, taking into account you unvoted the wagon, and detracted from it Fuck it. I need this game to be over. YOLO BM caught a scumslip here I think and gigs flips his game-long scumread of palmar to town without even saying anything as numbers dwindle. Never votes him either all game despite calling him scum. If I just lost us the game, then GG scum, you deserve it, and I will forever be a shit player it seems.  ##Vote: GiygaS | ||
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