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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
People who voted for Shiao but helped make the Clarity lynch happen, these people get +1 townie points, don't spend them all in one place: Kush, Geript, Ace, CC, BC What does this mean? Why are there no other people who voted for Clarity in this list ? | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On April 28 2013 16:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: What does this mean? Why are there no other people who voted for Clarity in this list ? They 1. Were voting for ShiaoPi at some point during the day [alignment unknown] 2. Changed their votes to Clarity [a mafia vigilante, also reducing scum faction KP by 1] I thought I wrote that there at the beginning of the sentence before I listed their names but maybe I'm too tired to know how to write a complete and proper sentence. Townie points was a joke. The final Clarity voter list is: Grush, BM, Kush, Getmoript, OO, GiygaS, Rayn, Ace, CC, Sharrant, Palmar, BC (playerlist order, not vote order) + Show Spoiler [the plural of anecdote] + People who didn't have a vote on anyone at the end of D2: TheRavensName, Artanis, Clarity People who didn't have a vote on anyone at the end of D1: Stutters (IDR when he replaced in exactly), Oats, Tube, Artanis People who are not even playing this game: Stutters, Artanis, Sylencia | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On April 28 2013 17:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: So what makes you exclude for example me from the list as i had my vote on ShiaoPi as well at some point of the day? And you seem to think ShiaoPi is mafia aswell, what is the point of that list as it doesn't mean shit which one of ShiaoPi/Clarity those guys you listed voted for if they were both mafia. LOL I missed it in the list because I spelled it differently in my sheet. Sorry I am tired. You are in that pool as well. Congrats on your townie points. It happened because you voted Clarity first, then switched to Shiao at some point, then back, and my vote count didn't use repeats. I think your situation on that is unique. BM SHARRANT YAMATO OATS VE CLARITY SHIAOPI [clarity would appear here if you hadn't voted before] I am le tired. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote: to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this. Incorrect, I was never on ShiaoPi's wagon. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
On April 28 2013 16:30 ObviousOne wrote: Artanis only ever voted for Marv. Marv isn't in the game. Only scum read I can find in filter is from early Day 1 (GiygaS). Hasn't caught up with the game yet???? Yeah, there's still 40 pages I'd need to catch up on but from what I've skimmed most of that was Oats vs Yamato shitflinging and I believe Yamato to be town so I have no interest in reading through that mess. I haven't voted anyone because I still wanted to read the game more thoroughly before voting. In an instant majority game with no deadline I saw no reason to end the day before I had someone that I felt certain was scum. I filtered Hopeless and Clarity and at the time didn't find either convincing. I have spent most of my interactions trying to get my townreads not to yell at eachother. I have a few current scumreads but I haven't filtered them yet. Shortlist includes Kush, GiygaS, Shiao, Sylencia and BC. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Ace is almost certainly not scum. That yamato is insisting differently indicates to me that he's just not thinking clearly about what's happening in the game. And his devolution into trolling reflects poorly too. Yamato on my shitlist. Artanis giving me the heebiejeebies. He's one of the loudest voices defending me, but at the same time insists that he's not caught up on the game and that's why he hasn't given his thoughts about who is scum. So how does he have a townread on me? Ultimately null, but want his reasoning for the scumspects he's named. Palmar still scum. He's still done nothing aside from vote for Clarity, and considering Clarity's inactivity taht's not enough to shake my scum read of him. Aside from this act, he's done nothing to help find scum. ShiaoPi still needs to play the game - by virtue of the wagons yesterday I think we should hear what he has to say tomorrow, but the fact is he's still inactive and he still lied to the thread about how much he'd read...and now there's even more to read when he does come back if he's town. It's just a big fucked up situation that I think would be best solved with a gun...but whatever. Null due to D2 lynch, but leaning scum. The WoS situation is probably going to be solved in the next couple of days. We'll either have to lynch him or he'll die to town KP...but scum won't shoot him if he's actually a miller, so in my opinion we'll have to be proactive about solving it. I agree with Ace that WoS isn't a top vig shot tonight though. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On April 28 2013 21:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar still scum. He's still done nothing aside from vote for Clarity, and considering Clarity's inactivity taht's not enough to shake my scum read of him. Aside from this act, he's done nothing to help find scum. Me being right and you being wrong tells us nothing about either of our alignments, it just means hell hasn't frozen over yet. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
Kush: Bandwagoned on rayn, playing lazy, soft defends GiygaS GiygaS: Aforementioned quote triggered my scumdar. ShiaoPi: Active and happy during the early game, then activity took a nosedive for no apparent reason. Nothing of worth in filter. Sylencia: Lots of shitty posts, hard to tell if he's scum or bad town given history of mislynches. BC: Practically AFK during D1, comes back with a shitty case on Yamato filled with false accusations and confirmation bias. A tunnel that he's been on for some time now. BC should be better then that. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On April 28 2013 22:08 VisceraEyes wrote: First of all, you did just as much to try and derail the Clarity wagon as I did with your fail VE push yesterday, so don't toot your horn too loudly. Secondly, you're wrong about me so again - watch what you say when town KP might be aimed at me Palmar. we sure as hell know mafia kp isn't going to be aimed at you. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On April 28 2013 22:22 Palmar wrote: we sure as hell know mafia kp isn't going to be aimed at you. Understatement of the thread. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I'm waiting to see what BC brings to the table D3 before making a judgement on him. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
The entire reason I think you're scum is that I think you're a good, transparent town player, which you're not this game. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Artanis when did I soft defend gigyas? I think he definitely could be scum (disclaimer I spent literally zero time looking at his filter tho). My vote for clarity had nothing to do with rayne. I came to the thread, read the last 2 pages, saw this really good activity based argument from Palmar about why to vote clarity, and that convinced me. The last person I would want to lynch right now is VE. My townread of him is quite strong. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
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getmoript
1016 Posts
On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into". Well there's this gem: On April 26 2013 23:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Posting from phone: like your analysis of kush, BM. This is one of those things to me that seems to be only one of two possibilities: BM is either extremely right about this, or this is one of those massive fabricated cases by scum in order to achieve a mislynch (like the one kita attempted on me in The Game before I claimed). Great analysis. Either you're right about kush or you're scum. It's like hitting two different birds with one stone while saying he's going to vote for Shiao. In all seriousness, I don't see him having provided any reads or analysis. I'm not even sure why he thinks Shiao is scum. It's pretty generic +1s or likes. On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS. Look Rayn, you're a far better player than myself or WoS which makes me exceptionally sad. As a bad player, having a reasonably claimable role is a huge boon. It's like having something to push off of... an anchor so you don't get blow too far. When under pressure, lots of times I've wanted to snap claim (and a have a few times). Yes, it's the wrong thing to do 99% of the time regardless of role. TBH, I don't think he was thinking when he claimed and that's what makes him town. There's such a gut instinct to snap claim under pressure and I can see the reasoning to claim in this situation to prevent wasting a DT check. On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people. Do you really think that's worse than yamato? He's been playing so differently from hydra that I can't see him being town anymore. I'll be looking to case him up tomorrow after my exam. | ||
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