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Hey, guys, so I finally got to read the last few pages. I think StrongAndBig is the last member of the mafia.
Apparently he is the detective, which is what the mafia would have wanted as their fifth slot, in my opinion.
If Caller was mafia showtime, VE the mafia NRA, Deconduo the mafia janitor, and Artanis was the Mafia Assassin then where was their ability to determine a players role? Their last slot would either have to either be a role thief (who stole Decon's role just before he died and used it in his stead, perhaps having a mafia bonus to be able to use it twice) or a role that detects other players roles. I don't believe CPR doctor was chosen by mafia, so this seems to be the likely solution to me.
I completely believe his claim of being Detective, but I am sure he is the mafia detective.
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On April 12 2013 08:52 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 08:50 Sharrant wrote:
Hey, guys, so I finally got to read the last few pages. I think StrongAndBig is the last member of the mafia.
Apparently he is the detective, which is what the mafia would have wanted as their fifth slot, in my opinion.
If Caller was mafia showtime, VE the mafia NRA, Deconduo the mafia janitor, and Artanis was the Mafia Assassin then where was their ability to determine a players role? Their last slot would either have to either be a role thief (who stole Decon's role just before he died and used it in his stead, perhaps having a mafia bonus to be able to use it twice) or a role that detects other players roles. I don't believe CPR doctor was chosen by mafia, so this seems to be the likely solution to me.
I completely believe his claim of being Detective, but I am sure he is the mafia detective. Why would mafia take Detective instead of the safer Role Cop (or even better, Capitalist) picks?
He was in 7th draft pick, and there was another mafia member above him so essentially he was in 6th slot. He was quite high up the list, I think it was a safe bet AND it denies town both a role check and an alignment check.
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On April 12 2013 08:54 Keirathi wrote:
Also: Today is a double lynch. Who else do you want to lynch? Why?
How do you feel about Vivax?
I'm not entirely sure, to be honest. It seems to me there is only one mafia left, and StrongAndBig is the person I think far and away most likely to be mafia. I'm more comfortable with a single lynch since Austin is essentially already an extra lynch.
I'll give Vivax a read through right now. From what I can remember he's acted far more sane this game than when I played with him, but someone mentioned this play is similar to his play on a smurf. He also at least seems on the same page about StrongAndBig which is a point for him in my books, but if StrongAndBig isn't the last mafia then that really means nothing. The last point alone makes him townie enough for me to want to lynch him until it's proven that StrongAndBig isn't the last mafia.
My initial impression is still that any lynch I see today would benefit threefold by having another day which should resolve the BM situation that has its tendrils in just about every case I can think of.
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On April 12 2013 08:58 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 08:54 Sharrant wrote:On April 12 2013 08:52 Keirathi wrote:On April 12 2013 08:50 Sharrant wrote:
Hey, guys, so I finally got to read the last few pages. I think StrongAndBig is the last member of the mafia.
Apparently he is the detective, which is what the mafia would have wanted as their fifth slot, in my opinion.
If Caller was mafia showtime, VE the mafia NRA, Deconduo the mafia janitor, and Artanis was the Mafia Assassin then where was their ability to determine a players role? Their last slot would either have to either be a role thief (who stole Decon's role just before he died and used it in his stead, perhaps having a mafia bonus to be able to use it twice) or a role that detects other players roles. I don't believe CPR doctor was chosen by mafia, so this seems to be the likely solution to me.
I completely believe his claim of being Detective, but I am sure he is the mafia detective. Why would mafia take Detective instead of the safer Role Cop (or even better, Capitalist) picks? He was in 7th draft pick, and there was another mafia member above him so essentially he was in 6th slot. He was quite high up the list, I think it was a safe bet AND it denies town both a role check and an alignment check. Still doesn't answer why not Capitalist. Capitalist is like, an awesome middle ground. One extra vig KP, and some role checks. Is denying town the DT worth it?
Probably the same reason I didn't try at Capilast, it felt more like an early draft choice than Detective did. I was fairly certain it wouldn't've made it out of the top 5 slots.
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On April 12 2013 09:15 Keirathi wrote:
Sharrant: What about Meapak?
I don't mind him too much right now. I think that his shot on Austin was very bad play, but I liked his reaction to it when he saw your claim about Austin. Sure, he could've faked it, I wouldn't put it past him. But I'd rather keep as many people alive as possible. I don't know how to take him not coming back to the thread for so long though. That could've been an embarassed townie being glad he didn't have to stick around after his mistake or a mafia looking to clam up and not reveal anything before he was "officially" dead.
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On April 12 2013 09:22 Keirathi wrote:
Also one more question for Sharrant: On day 1, you wrote up a big case about why OO was scum. What made you change your mind today, and why aren't you voting for him anymore?
I posted this before I think. If BM is JV like it seems, then Caller was being set up to be the scum to win the game. They were putting him to squeak by to LyLo on the back of his Artanis kill. And while Artanis was set to die/during the night Caller was calling both OO and Rayne scum. If BM is JV then there is no chance OO is scum. Because A) Caller would've been set to kill another mafia after they had already lost 2 members. B) because BM as JV and Decon as scum mean that there is only one scum left. I think that StrongAndBig fits that more than anyone.
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On April 12 2013 09:25 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 09:24 Sharrant wrote:On April 12 2013 09:15 Keirathi wrote:
Sharrant: What about Meapak? I don't mind him too much right now. I think that his shot on Austin was very bad play, but I liked his reaction to it when he saw your claim about Austin. Sure, he could've faked it, I wouldn't put it past him. But I'd rather keep as many people alive as possible. I don't know how to take him not coming back to the thread for so long though. That could've been an embarassed townie being glad he didn't have to stick around after his mistake or a mafia looking to clam up and not reveal anything before he was "officially" dead. So this isn't your position anymore? Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 12:23 Sharrant wrote:
1. America should not be picked by any town member. I don't think it very strongly benefits town. The only way I think it benefits town is if it is used by a town player to essentially act as a second lynch. I believe that America must announce its nuke in the thread (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). This is my proposal. Either A) we all agree to avoid the role. No town member takes it, thus if it is ever used we will know that a mafia member took it. or B) If someone does pick it they announce themselves right away and we use it as a second lynch. Announcing it after day 1, or using the power to kill someone that the town does not agree on should be seen as that person claiming scum.
I personally prefer option A, but I can't control anyone.
I prefer that much more than what we have right now, but with no one else to back it up it becomes a moot thing. The whole point of it is to lengthen the game by scaring people off of using nukes and kill roles, but when it's just one person that nobody really listens to it doesn't work very well.
Aside from that, like I've said, it's unrealistic for him to be scum based on numbers, so I'd rather focus on the person who I think is most likely to be scum, and then if he's not BM will be resolved tonight and that will either mean the assumptions I've been using are correct, or they've been incorrect.
Once I know that I'll either have to reevaluate or keep going after people I think would fit the slot as the last scum member.
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@Vivax
You can always put a vote on Austin, he's set to die today, so it's like voting for a single lynch.
I encourage everyone to think about what I've said about StrongAndBig. If you lynch me today, that's fine, but please shoot or lynch StrongAndBig afterwards.
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On April 12 2013 09:48 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 09:39 Sharrant wrote:
@Vivax
You can always put a vote on Austin, he's set to die today, so it's like voting for a single lynch.
I encourage everyone to think about what I've said about StrongAndBig. If you lynch me today, that's fine, but please shoot or lynch StrongAndBig afterwards. What Vivax is saying is that if we start moving votes off of you, then he's next in line to get lynched and will lose his ability to parity check someone tonight.
I know, but if enough people move over to either StrongAndBig or Austin then it is possible to save both of us, and that way would at least give us a chance to kill scum.
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On April 12 2013 09:53 Keirathi wrote:
Maybe austin should just shoot S&B too. We kill all 3 of you and settle it (hopefully) for good.
I like the simplicity of this, but if we're wrong about BM being JV then it means that there's a very good chance at least one scum is outside of the group of 4. Personally I'd rather you guys take it slow and not give the mafia a chance of coming back into this game. There's a chance that the day ends instantly ifwe do it that way, but there's a chance we kill 4 townies, or 1 mafia and 3 townies going into the night phase.
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On April 12 2013 10:03 strongandbig wrote:
Oh apparently no one has actually voted for me it's just sharrant in here trying to save his ass at the last minute. Gl with that.
I'd like to see you flip before me, but if that's not possible I'll settle for seeing it after.
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The lynch is in 45 minutes, yes?
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The GF's ability that "covers" a player, does it obscure their flip as well? Like, if he made someone appear as a certain role and alignment would the player revert to their actual role and alignment, or would they flip as what he covered them?
This just popped into my head, it may be a little paranoid but whatever:
The Godfather role says he can cover a player "CHANGING THEIR ROLE AND ALIGNMENT" as opposed to the framer which says "CHANGE HOW ONE'S ALIGNMENT APPEARS". This makes me think that it would obscure a flip as well. What if Caller didn't kill a mafia, what if Artanis was made to look like the assassin?
I think I'm getting really paranoid with that one, and BC will probably come in and say their proper alignment is revealed upon flip, but that would really change where we are in the game.
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On April 12 2013 10:43 austinmcc wrote:
Yeah, there's not much time to shoot but I'm serious when I've said all along that the long game favors town and I don't think people should be firing KP all over the place. Perhaps it's dumb to not use the shot, but oh well.
Only thing I'm super considering is shooting obviousone, as a prelynch almost, since it appears that he's going down. But I don't love having stalled this long, only to dick with the double lynch this late in the cycle.
Frankly, I don't love my play during the nuke day as a whole. Not enough scumhunting, too much crappy play and disinterest in game.
Then spend the last hour chatting with me. Do you think it's plausible a scum caller was going to push a scum ObviousOne today or is it more likely ObviousOne is town? Do you think MZ's nuke was a townie mistake, or a mafia play?
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On April 12 2013 10:44 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 10:41 Sharrant wrote:
The GF's ability that "covers" a player, does it obscure their flip as well? Like, if he made someone appear as a certain role and alignment would the player revert to their actual role and alignment, or would they flip as what he covered them?
This just popped into my head, it may be a little paranoid but whatever:
The Godfather role says he can cover a player "CHANGING THEIR ROLE AND ALIGNMENT" as opposed to the framer which says "CHANGE HOW ONE'S ALIGNMENT APPEARS". This makes me think that it would obscure a flip as well. What if Caller didn't kill a mafia, what if Artanis was made to look like the assassin?
I think I'm getting really paranoid with that one, and BC will probably come in and say their proper alignment is revealed upon flip, but that would really change where we are in the game. Mod confirmed, the GF was a bonus meaning.. he chose a KP role; and had a Killer type Role PM. So I suspect this is paranoid, but we shall see when he responds I guess.
Nono, the GF's ability. I know the GF part was a bonus. But Artanis might not have been the Assassin GF. If say, Sn0man (just picking a name at this point) had picked the role Godfather and used the ability to cover Artanis, would Artanis' death reveal his original role, or the role that he was covered with.
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On April 12 2013 10:48 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 10:31 Mocsta wrote:
And then there is this stupid bickering with Sn0, who is prob CPR Medic based on claims thus far. Things that I am NOT: CPR Medic
Just claim already. I actually can't even understand why you're not claiming at this point.
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On April 12 2013 10:49 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 10:48 Sn0_Man wrote:On April 12 2013 10:31 Mocsta wrote:
And then there is this stupid bickering with Sn0, who is prob CPR Medic based on claims thus far. Things that I am NOT: CPR Medic WTF lol so its possible the role was WIFOM'd out of the game.. funny wasnt sharrant obsessed with that role before? And now he is "vt" going for detective?
I wanted that role blocked, yes. But I was picking halfway down the list, there's not a chance I'm actually blocking the role if I go for it. so I went with something that suited my character.
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On April 12 2013 10:50 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 10:48 Sharrant wrote:On April 12 2013 10:44 Mocsta wrote:On April 12 2013 10:41 Sharrant wrote:
The GF's ability that "covers" a player, does it obscure their flip as well? Like, if he made someone appear as a certain role and alignment would the player revert to their actual role and alignment, or would they flip as what he covered them?
This just popped into my head, it may be a little paranoid but whatever:
The Godfather role says he can cover a player "CHANGING THEIR ROLE AND ALIGNMENT" as opposed to the framer which says "CHANGE HOW ONE'S ALIGNMENT APPEARS". This makes me think that it would obscure a flip as well. What if Caller didn't kill a mafia, what if Artanis was made to look like the assassin?
I think I'm getting really paranoid with that one, and BC will probably come in and say their proper alignment is revealed upon flip, but that would really change where we are in the game. Mod confirmed, the GF was a bonus meaning.. he chose a KP role; and had a Killer type Role PM. So I suspect this is paranoid, but we shall see when he responds I guess. Nono, the GF's ability. I know the GF part was a bonus. But Artanis might not have been the Assassin GF. If say, Sn0man (just picking a name at this point) had picked the role Godfather and used the ability to cover Artanis, would Artanis' death reveal his original role, or the role that he was covered with. To be frank, this is reading to me as a last minute WIFOM attempt before lynch deadline.
Then you're bad at reading, because I'm dead. It doesn't matter how it happens, I will die. Either I will be lynched, or I will be shot in the night by a townie if I am not lynched, solely because I escaped the lynch. Of that there is no doubt.
I'm trying to give the town as much information as I can possibly think of in the hour I have left to post.If the GF has that ability, it would explain a lot of the early game. So I want to make sure that it is either not possible, or that people know that it's something to be awareof.
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On April 12 2013 10:51 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 10:50 Sharrant wrote:On April 12 2013 10:48 Sn0_Man wrote:On April 12 2013 10:31 Mocsta wrote:
And then there is this stupid bickering with Sn0, who is prob CPR Medic based on claims thus far. Things that I am NOT: CPR Medic Just claim already. I actually can't even understand why you're not claiming at this point. He has claimed. Well, he didn't directly say the words, but he's the inventor.
Interesting. I missed that one then. I'll guess that was where I marked I should reread what he was saying, but I was more interested in rereading StrongAndBig at that point.
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On April 12 2013 10:54 Restraining Order wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 10:53 Sharrant wrote:On April 12 2013 10:50 Mocsta wrote:On April 12 2013 10:48 Sharrant wrote:On April 12 2013 10:44 Mocsta wrote:On April 12 2013 10:41 Sharrant wrote:
The GF's ability that "covers" a player, does it obscure their flip as well? Like, if he made someone appear as a certain role and alignment would the player revert to their actual role and alignment, or would they flip as what he covered them?
This just popped into my head, it may be a little paranoid but whatever:
The Godfather role says he can cover a player "CHANGING THEIR ROLE AND ALIGNMENT" as opposed to the framer which says "CHANGE HOW ONE'S ALIGNMENT APPEARS". This makes me think that it would obscure a flip as well. What if Caller didn't kill a mafia, what if Artanis was made to look like the assassin?
I think I'm getting really paranoid with that one, and BC will probably come in and say their proper alignment is revealed upon flip, but that would really change where we are in the game. Mod confirmed, the GF was a bonus meaning.. he chose a KP role; and had a Killer type Role PM. So I suspect this is paranoid, but we shall see when he responds I guess. Nono, the GF's ability. I know the GF part was a bonus. But Artanis might not have been the Assassin GF. If say, Sn0man (just picking a name at this point) had picked the role Godfather and used the ability to cover Artanis, would Artanis' death reveal his original role, or the role that he was covered with. To be frank, this is reading to me as a last minute WIFOM attempt before lynch deadline. Then you're bad at reading, because I'm dead. It doesn't matter how it happens, I will die. Either I will be lynched, or I will be shot in the night by a townie if I am not lynched, solely because I escaped the lynch. Of that there is no doubt. I'm trying to give the town as much information as I can possibly think of in the hour I have left to post.If the GF has that ability, it would explain a lot of the early game. So I want to make sure that it is either not possible, or that people know that it's something to be awareof. No, GF is not a death-framer. End of that.
That's good to know.
On April 12 2013 10:55 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 10:53 Sharrant wrote:On April 12 2013 10:50 Mocsta wrote:On April 12 2013 10:48 Sharrant wrote:On April 12 2013 10:44 Mocsta wrote:On April 12 2013 10:41 Sharrant wrote:
The GF's ability that "covers" a player, does it obscure their flip as well? Like, if he made someone appear as a certain role and alignment would the player revert to their actual role and alignment, or would they flip as what he covered them?
This just popped into my head, it may be a little paranoid but whatever:
The Godfather role says he can cover a player "CHANGING THEIR ROLE AND ALIGNMENT" as opposed to the framer which says "CHANGE HOW ONE'S ALIGNMENT APPEARS". This makes me think that it would obscure a flip as well. What if Caller didn't kill a mafia, what if Artanis was made to look like the assassin?
I think I'm getting really paranoid with that one, and BC will probably come in and say their proper alignment is revealed upon flip, but that would really change where we are in the game. Mod confirmed, the GF was a bonus meaning.. he chose a KP role; and had a Killer type Role PM. So I suspect this is paranoid, but we shall see when he responds I guess. Nono, the GF's ability. I know the GF part was a bonus. But Artanis might not have been the Assassin GF. If say, Sn0man (just picking a name at this point) had picked the role Godfather and used the ability to cover Artanis, would Artanis' death reveal his original role, or the role that he was covered with. To be frank, this is reading to me as a last minute WIFOM attempt before lynch deadline. Then you're bad at reading, because I'm dead. It doesn't matter how it happens, I will die. Either I will be lynched, or I will be shot in the night by a townie if I am not lynched, solely because I escaped the lynch. Of that there is no doubt. I'm trying to give the town as much information as I can possibly think of in the hour I have left to post.If the GF has that ability, it would explain a lot of the early game. So I want to make sure that it is either not possible, or that people know that it's something to be awareof. Artanis was also easy to talk to before death. So scum/town have the same motivation (to survive) Look. thing is.. with all the roles out there.. why wouldnt the "real" assassin have shot a town contributor like keirathi by now? etc.. i just dont think this argument holds weight.
I guess it's not an issue now, but because it would reveal that something was incorrect about Artanis' death. He'd have to wait to kill until the end of N2, and then it would just show up as a regular death, instead of as an anonymous dayvig.
And as I said earlier, I severely doubt the existance of a BC in this game.
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