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Bill Murray
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geript
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On April 12 2013 16:35 Bill Murray wrote: Geript, you may have everyone else fooled, but you don't have me. I don't want to lose another player for us tonight, and you're pretty much guaranteed that. Your faction lost one of its last 2 KP, and you're probably something like a Politician, the way you're playing. Then shoot me if that's how you feel. The town will be minus 1 donkey and the better for it. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 12 2013 16:33 Bill Murray wrote: my rolename changed a little, to injustice vig, but i didnt see anything different about the text until now in terms of the highlighted. considering the CPR doctor didn't change, and only Assassin GF did, you all should view this as a null tell. If you are going to lynch me, I'd rather take my chances trying to kill scum tonight, so tell me now. If I ask you nicely, will you pretty please shoot S&B? 1) I think there's a decent chance that he is scum. 2) If he's not, then your death (mostly) clears 3 people. 3) Your death gives us a ton of information if S&B does happen to be town. If we see your role flip and know for sure that you are JV, then WE know that caller was scum and we'll know better what we're looking for. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On April 12 2013 16:35 Bill Murray wrote: I'd rather wait on an invention or a parity check. I'm not JUST a justice vig, I'm the bootleggin' injustice vig. Grow a pair. If you think I'm scum then shoot. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On April 12 2013 16:37 Keirathi wrote: If I ask you nicely, will you pretty please shoot S&B? 1) I think there's a decent chance that he is scum. 2) If he's not, then your death (mostly) clears 3 people. 3) Your death gives us a ton of information if S&B does happen to be town. If we see your role flip and know for sure that you are JV, then WE know that caller was scum and we'll know better what we're looking for. This however will give the town actual information. Just remember to call your shot ahead of time. | ||
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geript
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ObviousOne Y,Y (2-4) Caller X, X (2-4 but not Y and the same number as S&B) VE 10,10 Artanis 11,11 I really think RO, Vivax or someone else is far more likely. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
Thanks for your cooperation. | ||
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geript
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On April 12 2013 17:21 geript wrote: Look dude, if you want to be an asshole and get me to shit up the thread even more, then please continue. I have no qualms about getting you lynched/nuked. But do you have qualms about playing badly? that is the question. | ||
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geript
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On April 12 2013 17:27 geript wrote: I don't consider catching a good scum player on D0 playing badly. Would you? Obviously so... by the way, how many scum have you caught this game? I dont consider catching scum a metric for good/bad play. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
On April 12 2013 16:03 Keirathi wrote: Yeah, I just did a full parse through BM filter looking for this JV stuff.+ Show Spoiler + EBWOP: actually, I'll make it simple. Either you claim before night ends, or you get lynched tomorrow. Your only claim to townieness was that we all thought you were justice vig because of how sure you were that Caller was scum. My conclusion is actually not what I expected at all. Let us proceed ========================================== (1) + Show Spoiler [Soft Claims to JV] + On April 06 2013 11:48 Bill Murray wrote: ok Ver/Mason PM me I have a powerful role that people wouldnt think is powerful On April 10 2013 12:33 Bill Murray wrote: We know a maf died last night since the janitor power was used. The other 3 kills will be mafia, in all likelihood, so Caller was scum. On April 10 2013 12:38 Sn0_Man wrote: The janitor doesn't know in advance who was going to die. This logic is flawed. On April 10 2013 12:39 Bill Murray wrote: I believe this is the exchange, where people starting *assuming* BM was soft-claiming JV.I know for a fact caller was scum. Which is exacerbated here: On April 10 2013 12:39 Keirathi wrote: No, it doesn't make you confirmed town. But think about this setup. Scum has to pick their roles in a way to use them together as a team. Why would they use Showtime! in that situation? Hint: they wouldn't. Not on the Assassin, one of the strongest roles in the game. And, on top of that. And you didn't even read the thread before you killed him? Seriously? ........................................................ I'm going to go watch TV or something for an hour before I get modkilled for raging. On April 10 2013 12:40 Bill Murray wrote: talk about this after the game. Caller was 100% scum. & On April 10 2013 12:41 Bill Murray wrote: i KNOW Caller was scum... and I Can thank Geript... I looked up the Emperor role, and I thought something was a little different with MY role, but unless some weird string of events happened Caller was 100% scum & On April 10 2013 12:43 Bill Murray wrote: The supposition is that JV is a role only town will take, correct?If you all want to use the lie detector on me, I'll claim my role, and it will clear me as town. I better get some protection if that happens. More innuendo On April 10 2013 12:44 Bill Murray wrote: I have an easily clearable role. & On April 10 2013 16:18 Bill Murray wrote: Yeah, no. You're not directing the town. I am killing you tonight, unless you prove to me you are town. & On April 10 2013 16:22 Bill Murray wrote: but hey if you're town you have nothing to worry about More innuendo and very interesting stance on ObviousOne On April 11 2013 20:09 Bill Murray wrote: is austin alive? On April 11 2013 20:10 Oatsmaster wrote: for now. Are you justice vig or not? On April 11 2013 20:13 Bill Murray wrote: Hes trying to keep up this innuendo charade by teasing us *JUST* the right amount we think he is JV; but not get pissed off enough to lynch him.I am too busy to be messing with plebians at this time I will not roleclaim. I may have been lying about my kp, I may not. We'll talk about that when I want. Your votes are on OO, and Vivax. Care to explain your thought process behind that for everyone? Because I am completely fine with your vote on Vivax, but I'm failing to see why you voted OO... Was it his post last page? He looked pretty town to me BM barely commented throughout the cycle; but took the opportunity to ensure that we knew he thought ObviousOne was town. Conclusion Many of the comments BM are making are highly ambiguous. If I wasn't looking for a role; I would personally think the guy is trolling about // expressing confidence in his reads // looking for scum, by saying if you are town we don't have a problem. One of the main pushers of BM = JV, is a confirmed townie (via Austin check) On April 10 2013 23:33 Sn0_Man wrote: + Show Spoiler + Anyway, BM has now basically claimed justice vigi. I find it pretty hard to believe that he justice-vigged Caller and is still alive, but it might not interact the way I think. So I think the concept that BM is JV was to fill in the gaps post-janitor flip. ==========================================The question now is: why did BM run with it? (2) + Show Spoiler [BM Day 1 peculiarities] + (Before Gonzaw case on Artanis) On April 07 2013 11:11 Bill Murray wrote: Setting himself up to having shot Caller. Could be valid town transparency.I was just thinking about a case on Caller. He, in the past, has been one to skirt deadlines as scum. Him claiming that has me raising my eyebrows. (After Day1 post) On April 10 2013 12:25 Bill Murray wrote: I don't get to see if I killed scum last night? gay On April 10 2013 12:25 Bill Murray wrote: This completely goes against BM being a JVI killed Caller btw On April 07 2013 01:43 Bill Murray wrote: Mocsta I don't give a shit if you vote me or not Not like I've played a game in the last 7 months I'm going to bed at 1pm At least I'm not a townie fuck it On April 10 2013 12:49 Oatsmaster wrote: BM. Lets take it slow. Why would Caller(scum), use showtime(good power), to lynch Artanis(scum), with a really really really great power, assassin(good power)? For towncred? No towncred is worth that shit. On April 10 2013 13:06 Bill Murray wrote: He is obviously aware of the benefits of bus play; and henceforth; I believe (if town) this is his predicate for the Caller shot.Let's say I'm scum and I kill scum town loves me On April 09 2013 14:21 Bill Murray wrote: Odd defense. I dont recall him using a meta argument to check if Caller is a bus type player....why the fuck are people listing me as mafia? are you all forgetting that I was on the Artanis wagon? Check my meta, I don't EVER bus. + Show Spoiler [BM Day2 peculiarities] + On April 10 2013 13:22 Bill Murray wrote: I don't find this comment out of the norm in general. But consider; in Day1 he had no qualm "shooting" Caller for bussing Artanis. So with that context; this is indeed an "out of the norm" query regarding scum flipped ObviousOne.MOCSTA, why are you voting ObviousOne? He was on the Artanis wagon. Are you proposing that he bussed him? Repeated quote that is another defense of ObviousOne On April 11 2013 20:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Are you justice vig or not? On April 11 2013 20:13 Bill Murray wrote: I am too busy to be messing with plebians at this time I will not roleclaim. I may have been lying about my kp, I may not. We'll talk about that when I want. Your votes are on OO, and Vivax. Care to explain your thought process behind that for everyone? Because I am completely fine with your vote on Vivax, but I'm failing to see why you voted OO... Was it his post last page? He looked pretty town to me Conclusion Given the quality of his filter; if anything, there is too much transparency/follow through with Caller. ==========================================The double standards that apply to Caller, and not ObviousOne are weird; but by itself could be townie tunneling. The big issue is that post-janitor flip, he acted as if he didnt know the alignment of caller? Sure a JV would know that being alive = killing scum? It is not until 20minutes later when talking to Sn0; that BM displays the confidence that could suggest he is JV. (3) + Show Spoiler [Scum WIFOM] + On April 06 2013 20:55 Palmar wrote: @Mocsta: BM is scum. he adds nothing at all with his posts which (surprisingly enough) is actually very uncharacteristic for him if he's town. Just based on content alone he's really not doing much except giving out a townread on VE based on meta for whatever reason. In order to see whether there was a difference or not, I went to BC's arkham city, an old game but one with mechanics to deal with and BM playing town, and his posting there couldn't be more different from what he's doing here, or well... it could, but then it wouldn't be BM anymore. On April 06 2013 21:14 Bill Murray wrote: complete and utter bullshit coming from someone who normally posts and ISNT that I have called out Conclusion We now have BM giving out free town reads on VE & ObviousOne when they fall under pressure. ==========================================For WIFOM (an assumed town Palmar) gave a scum read on BM. Personally, I was surprised Palmar was shot; as he did fuck all. Maybe not everyone had a scum read on him; but certainly almost no one thought he was probably town. Hence, I think scum could have safely kept him around. However, this scum read could be a valid reason for a shot. TL;DR BM has refused to give out his role; but has held no reservations stringing the JV assumption along. BM has had odd defenses for flipped scum members; and in general a few odd comments. Townies dont often say "At least I'm not a townie. Fuck It" Further. I dont believe he is Justice Vig. Purely based on one post. On April 10 2013 12:25 Bill Murray wrote: ------------------------I don't get to see if I killed scum last night? gay I tried to write I think BM is scum. But I just cant see scum doing something so stupid like fake claiming JV. I actually think the guy is a *town* Night Vig; or BloodyCobbler. Leaning towards Night Vig; and thus, has another shot tonight. I think the secrecy has been in the same vein as me: keep scum guessing (i.e. they would leave him alone, as high chance he would shoot town and thus die) The corollary is: The belief that BM was JV was so high; Yamato took a chance to claim an easy VT. i.e. Yamato is scum | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
See post above: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=162#3232 ============================================= I tried to write I think BM is scum. But I just cant see scum doing something so stupid like fake claiming JV. I actually think the guy is a *town* Night Vig; or BloodyCobbler. Leaning towards Night Vig; and thus, has another shot tonight. I think the secrecy has been in the same vein as me: keep scum guessing (i.e. they would leave him alone, as high chance he would shoot town and thus die) The corollary is: The belief that BM was JV was so high; Yamato took a chance to claim an easy VT. i.e. Yamato is scum | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
On April 12 2013 16:20 Bill Murray wrote: yes im the damn justice vig. it's a role scum can't take. it would be irrelevant for them to have it, because if they hit town, they would die This makes me look stupid. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
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Oatsmaster
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I wish Palmar was alive | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Answer this properly please. You must shoot every night that you are alive. You said you didnt need to, expand? Did BC phrase the role wrong? Or what? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
On April 12 2013 16:35 Bill Murray wrote: Geript, you may have everyone else fooled, but you don't have me. I don't want to lose another player for us tonight, and you're pretty much guaranteed that. Your faction lost one of its last 2 KP, and you're probably something like a Politician, the way you're playing. Is this a slip? On April 12 2013 16:35 Bill Murray wrote: Your faction lost one of its last 2 KP, I dont know how much KP scum actually have? I just know the KP for night1 has been accounted for..... | ||
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Restraining Order
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We're fucking crushing scum, and this is still one of the most shitty threads I've ever read. On April 12 2013 17:27 geript wrote: I don't consider catching a good scum player on D0 playing badly. Would you? Obviously so... by the way, how many scum have you caught this game? Hey, I pushed and/or lynched 3 scum so far, and you still love to call me mafia for no fucking reason. NO REASON AT ALL. You have no fucking place in the world where you can use arguments like this so please kindly shut the fuck up with a cherry on top. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6782 Posts
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