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On April 12 2013 21:51 Vivax wrote:
Yes I'm scum who started to hardbus OO during N1, now that you didn't lynch me to expect a check it's time to shoot me
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Hard bus OO means this?
+ Show Spoiler +On April 11 2013 10:08 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 09:53 Mocsta wrote:On April 11 2013 09:41 Vivax wrote:On April 11 2013 09:39 Mocsta wrote:
o vivax thats a twist of events
austin wasnt the strongest scum.cndidate going forward.today
to release the check is protown as its meant to remove an option from discussion so we can focus better What if I fakeclaim, oh look I tried to pick cop it wasn't available sowwy I'm just a VT. Nothing going to change if I claim. Scum can lie, and it doesn't make anyone town. I'd rather show I'm town through my actions, not help scum choose their NK targets. Thats not a response to what i said. I commented that u think austin and kei and sno doing a power play. U talkjng about the claim. Im not asking u to claim. Im just saying u r the hold up. I don't leave any stone unturned. I don't have enough base to claim they're doing powerplay, but I have a base to say hat MZ and OO look really really really scummy. On April 11 2013 01:39 Vivax wrote:
Mocsta let's lynch ObviousOne.
That'd be real gangsta. On April 10 2013 07:32 Vivax wrote:I do agree on ObviousOne though, I noticed that he only spent time bullshitting around after posting his Artanis case. Looks to me like he only posted it to look good. Here, filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=73#1456He was also the 7th or 8th to vote for him, and the fact he felt the need to post such an extensive case only makes him look worse when he could have simply sheeped or pushed others to vote for him. If you shoot OO you're the next hero. On April 10 2013 11:34 Vivax wrote:
I wanna lynch Sno_Man or OO. I'm starting to find Mocsta interesting.
I don't think austin is a good target for nuke, he's talkative enough and doesn't troll. On April 12 2013 01:57 Vivax wrote:
Question: S & B claimed that MZ is town america, but where's the D1 nuke then?
I can currently just support a shot on OO, he's scum.
Rereading Sharrant and BM now since MZ and S & B seem to be off the hook. On April 12 2013 03:05 Vivax wrote:
Mocsta is not scum he doesn't do abrasive shit as scum, go read Personality 2, he was nice and reasonable, and he didn't try to jump into your face with what he had to say.
Lynch ObviousOne. On April 12 2013 03:12 Vivax wrote:
I don't care about mocsta either way. OO best lynch, he scum tryin to look good with his cases but no interest whatsoever in pursuing what he claims to believe. On April 12 2013 09:23 Vivax wrote:
Well I don't want him to get lynched before OO that's for sure. If someone plans to switches to me and Sharrant he might hinder OO's lynch.
Shouting OO is scum isnt a bus, I doubt ANYONE was swayed by your arguments, so cheap town cred to a lynch that already was happening.
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Nice delurk Vivax
What has hard bussing got to do with being town or scum?
I dont recall you having any presence this game to get a wagon started; so your point is moot.
So Vivax. Caller scum or town?
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On April 07 2013 16:01 ObviousOne wrote:
Gonna read SNB and GhorVivax for now. ObviousOne not sure if Vivax comrade in arms or comrade in war.
Now that we know OO is scum.. this is pretty much an association slip for you.
And yes, I am being deadly serious.
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Oh, you. Conveniently leaving out my arguments.
On April 12 2013 21:56 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 21:51 Vivax wrote:
Yes I'm scum who started to hardbus OO during N1, now that you didn't lynch me to expect a check it's time to shoot me
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clap Hard bus OO means this? + Show Spoiler +On April 11 2013 10:08 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 09:53 Mocsta wrote:On April 11 2013 09:41 Vivax wrote:On April 11 2013 09:39 Mocsta wrote:
o vivax thats a twist of events
austin wasnt the strongest scum.cndidate going forward.today
to release the check is protown as its meant to remove an option from discussion so we can focus better What if I fakeclaim, oh look I tried to pick cop it wasn't available sowwy I'm just a VT. Nothing going to change if I claim. Scum can lie, and it doesn't make anyone town. I'd rather show I'm town through my actions, not help scum choose their NK targets. Thats not a response to what i said. I commented that u think austin and kei and sno doing a power play. U talkjng about the claim. Im not asking u to claim. Im just saying u r the hold up. I don't leave any stone unturned. I don't have enough base to claim they're doing powerplay, but I have a base to say hat MZ and OO look really really really scummy. On April 11 2013 01:39 Vivax wrote:
Mocsta let's lynch ObviousOne.
That'd be real gangsta. On April 10 2013 07:32 Vivax wrote:I do agree on ObviousOne though, I noticed that he only spent time bullshitting around after posting his Artanis case. Looks to me like he only posted it to look good. Here, filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=73#1456He was also the 7th or 8th to vote for him, and the fact he felt the need to post such an extensive case only makes him look worse when he could have simply sheeped or pushed others to vote for him. If you shoot OO you're the next hero. On April 10 2013 11:34 Vivax wrote:
I wanna lynch Sno_Man or OO. I'm starting to find Mocsta interesting.
I don't think austin is a good target for nuke, he's talkative enough and doesn't troll. On April 12 2013 01:57 Vivax wrote:
Question: S & B claimed that MZ is town america, but where's the D1 nuke then?
I can currently just support a shot on OO, he's scum.
Rereading Sharrant and BM now since MZ and S & B seem to be off the hook. On April 12 2013 03:05 Vivax wrote:
Mocsta is not scum he doesn't do abrasive shit as scum, go read Personality 2, he was nice and reasonable, and he didn't try to jump into your face with what he had to say.
Lynch ObviousOne. On April 12 2013 03:12 Vivax wrote:
I don't care about mocsta either way. OO best lynch, he scum tryin to look good with his cases but no interest whatsoever in pursuing what he claims to believe. On April 12 2013 09:23 Vivax wrote:
Well I don't want him to get lynched before OO that's for sure. If someone plans to switches to me and Sharrant he might hinder OO's lynch. Shouting OO is scum isnt a bus, I doubt ANYONE was swayed by your arguments, so cheap town cred to a lynch that already was happening.
On April 11 2013 02:06 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 02:00 Sn0_Man wrote:On April 11 2013 01:39 Vivax wrote:
Mocsta let's lynch ObviousOne.
That'd be real gangsta. What would be gangsta about it? Why do you wish to be gangsta? How will it help town win this mafia game? He expressed interest into VE when he got under pressure, promised to look into him, never did.But was fine with throwing around his other two reads. + Show Spoiler +
VE: I've been aware he's in two games since I am/was on the replacement list for his other game (Noir Mini I) so I expect this game to suffer more due to the nature of Noir being instant majority. I'll review him as we approach the midpoint of day so there's hopefully something more there.
Keirathi: I'm more green than null on Kei, but that's more bias based on how I perceive him as a person than a player so now that he's finished jerking off for 12 hours straight [lol take a nap, dude] should be able to identify if my bias is clouding my perception of him.
RO: He's another one I will want to review before the midpoint of day. I believe I mentioned earlier his D0 was more helpful/proactive than he was all game in LX [my opinion, didn't review LX] so he's at least Null.
He started summarizing inconclusive meta points about Artanis when he got under pressure + Show Spoiler +@Gonzaw:
Artanis[XP] mafia meta highlights based on his one recorded scum game in the database: Haunted Mafia
- Replaced into game at P64
- GG out P116
- Total of perhaps 8 "useful" posts over 50 pages
Characteristics I picked out from Haunted [2010]:
- Makes summaries {conglomerations of players posts} with blanket statements regarding alignment - I used to do this all the time especially in my earliest games
- Feigned/Real inactivity/unavailability - not necessarily a scum tell but a useful scum tool
- Offers to be "helpful" for a period of time - not taking the initiative and doing something useful himself
- Defensive stance - possibly a product of being under suspicion when being replaced in, but in this game was used to misdirect suspicion on lurkers to non-mafia faction
I'm looking for something more recent, but Artanis tends to host games rather than play... search filter only went back to March 2012 and the database shows no scum games other than Haunted. to show up the day after as 8th to vote for him with an extensive meta case, but barely considering what had been happening in the thread, and never pushing for any lynch despite posting such a huge case (which was at a weird time cause Artanis was already dead, basically, and imo he only posted it to look good after flip.
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On April 12 2013 21:56 Mocsta wrote:
Nice delurk Vivax
What has hard bussing got to do with being town or scum?
I dont recall you having any presence this game to get a wagon started; so your point is moot.
So Vivax. Caller scum or town?
Caller town. I already said that if janitor is used I'd assume every death was a townie to simplify things. They can basically only use it to discredit vigis or let jubjubs argue that 1 scum is already dead.
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On April 12 2013 22:05 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 21:56 Mocsta wrote:
Nice delurk Vivax
What has hard bussing got to do with being town or scum?
I dont recall you having any presence this game to get a wagon started; so your point is moot.
So Vivax. Caller scum or town? Caller town. I already said that if janitor is used I'd assume every death was a townie to simplify things. They can basically only use it to discredit vigis or let jubjubs argue that 1 scum is already dead.
So there are many scum right?
Where are your reads bro?
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On April 12 2013 22:04 Vivax wrote:Oh, you. Conveniently leaving out my arguments. Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 21:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 12 2013 21:51 Vivax wrote:
Yes I'm scum who started to hardbus OO during N1, now that you didn't lynch me to expect a check it's time to shoot me
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clap Hard bus OO means this? + Show Spoiler +On April 11 2013 10:08 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 09:53 Mocsta wrote:On April 11 2013 09:41 Vivax wrote:On April 11 2013 09:39 Mocsta wrote:
o vivax thats a twist of events
austin wasnt the strongest scum.cndidate going forward.today
to release the check is protown as its meant to remove an option from discussion so we can focus better What if I fakeclaim, oh look I tried to pick cop it wasn't available sowwy I'm just a VT. Nothing going to change if I claim. Scum can lie, and it doesn't make anyone town. I'd rather show I'm town through my actions, not help scum choose their NK targets. Thats not a response to what i said. I commented that u think austin and kei and sno doing a power play. U talkjng about the claim. Im not asking u to claim. Im just saying u r the hold up. I don't leave any stone unturned. I don't have enough base to claim they're doing powerplay, but I have a base to say hat MZ and OO look really really really scummy. On April 11 2013 01:39 Vivax wrote:
Mocsta let's lynch ObviousOne.
That'd be real gangsta. On April 10 2013 07:32 Vivax wrote:I do agree on ObviousOne though, I noticed that he only spent time bullshitting around after posting his Artanis case. Looks to me like he only posted it to look good. Here, filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=73#1456He was also the 7th or 8th to vote for him, and the fact he felt the need to post such an extensive case only makes him look worse when he could have simply sheeped or pushed others to vote for him. If you shoot OO you're the next hero. On April 10 2013 11:34 Vivax wrote:
I wanna lynch Sno_Man or OO. I'm starting to find Mocsta interesting.
I don't think austin is a good target for nuke, he's talkative enough and doesn't troll. On April 12 2013 01:57 Vivax wrote:
Question: S & B claimed that MZ is town america, but where's the D1 nuke then?
I can currently just support a shot on OO, he's scum.
Rereading Sharrant and BM now since MZ and S & B seem to be off the hook. On April 12 2013 03:05 Vivax wrote:
Mocsta is not scum he doesn't do abrasive shit as scum, go read Personality 2, he was nice and reasonable, and he didn't try to jump into your face with what he had to say.
Lynch ObviousOne. On April 12 2013 03:12 Vivax wrote:
I don't care about mocsta either way. OO best lynch, he scum tryin to look good with his cases but no interest whatsoever in pursuing what he claims to believe. On April 12 2013 09:23 Vivax wrote:
Well I don't want him to get lynched before OO that's for sure. If someone plans to switches to me and Sharrant he might hinder OO's lynch. Shouting OO is scum isnt a bus, I doubt ANYONE was swayed by your arguments, so cheap town cred to a lynch that already was happening. Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 02:06 Vivax wrote:On April 11 2013 02:00 Sn0_Man wrote:On April 11 2013 01:39 Vivax wrote:
Mocsta let's lynch ObviousOne.
That'd be real gangsta. What would be gangsta about it? Why do you wish to be gangsta? How will it help town win this mafia game? He expressed interest into VE when he got under pressure, promised to look into him, never did.But was fine with throwing around his other two reads. + Show Spoiler +
VE: I've been aware he's in two games since I am/was on the replacement list for his other game (Noir Mini I) so I expect this game to suffer more due to the nature of Noir being instant majority. I'll review him as we approach the midpoint of day so there's hopefully something more there.
Keirathi: I'm more green than null on Kei, but that's more bias based on how I perceive him as a person than a player so now that he's finished jerking off for 12 hours straight [lol take a nap, dude] should be able to identify if my bias is clouding my perception of him.
RO: He's another one I will want to review before the midpoint of day. I believe I mentioned earlier his D0 was more helpful/proactive than he was all game in LX [my opinion, didn't review LX] so he's at least Null.
He started summarizing inconclusive meta points about Artanis when he got under pressure + Show Spoiler +@Gonzaw:
Artanis[XP] mafia meta highlights based on his one recorded scum game in the database: Haunted Mafia
- Replaced into game at P64
- GG out P116
- Total of perhaps 8 "useful" posts over 50 pages
Characteristics I picked out from Haunted [2010]:
- Makes summaries {conglomerations of players posts} with blanket statements regarding alignment - I used to do this all the time especially in my earliest games
- Feigned/Real inactivity/unavailability - not necessarily a scum tell but a useful scum tool
- Offers to be "helpful" for a period of time - not taking the initiative and doing something useful himself
- Defensive stance - possibly a product of being under suspicion when being replaced in, but in this game was used to misdirect suspicion on lurkers to non-mafia faction
I'm looking for something more recent, but Artanis tends to host games rather than play... search filter only went back to March 2012 and the database shows no scum games other than Haunted. to show up the day after as 8th to vote for him with an extensive meta case, but barely considering what had been happening in the thread, and never pushing for any lynch despite posting such a huge case (which was at a weird time cause Artanis was already dead, basically, and imo he only posted it to look good after flip.
Oh my apologies, but apparently you agree with my point. That was easy
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I'd be a pretty bad DT to tell you my reads before the night ends.
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On April 12 2013 22:08 Vivax wrote:
I'd be a pretty bad DT to tell you my reads before the night ends.
You'd be a pretty bad town player or scum to not have reads.
So you think there is a framer in the game? Who is lying in the roleclaim then?
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On April 12 2013 22:05 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 21:56 Mocsta wrote:
Nice delurk Vivax
What has hard bussing got to do with being town or scum?
I dont recall you having any presence this game to get a wagon started; so your point is moot.
So Vivax. Caller scum or town? Caller town. I already said that if janitor is used I'd assume every death was a townie to simplify things. They can basically only use it to discredit vigis or let jubjubs argue that 1 scum is already dead.
Wow...
We can say with almost certainty that BM is a JV who shot Caller.
How can u say he is town, based on the above.
That certainly doesnt cut the mustard Vivax. Why you being such a jubjub
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How sure are we that he would have died anyway even if scum shot Caller first?
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who said BM is scum?
Im struggling to understand how that was an honest attempt to address the question at large.
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On April 12 2013 22:40 Mocsta wrote:
who said BM is scum?
Im struggling to understand how that was an honest attempt to address the question at large.
Mocsta, what do you want to know exactly? You look a lot like you're just trying to throw shit, not find out what I'm thinking.
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Do we believe BM that his character bonus makes him non-compulsive?
BM if you are town dreamflower, you should shoot me even though it means you will die.
It will confirm caller as scum, and confirm me as town and therefore my checks as legitimate.
Now for something else I thought of.
Is the godfather's "cover" an action he uses each night, choosing a new target, or is it a one-time action he uses at the start of the game, with the cover on-going from that point?
Does the godfather's "cover" continue to work after he dies?
If a "covered" player dies, would his flip reflect the fact that he had been covered?
If the godfather's cover works like I think it does, then having a godfather basically either makes some townie a permanent miller, or else it lets the scum team choose a second player to be investigation immune. Now, IMO this shouldn't continue after the godfather dies, but I didn't make this setup.
If the godfather's cover continues after he dies, then we should put meapak and sinani back in our suspect list. Especially so for meapak, since he's a more probable choice to get covered than sinani IMO.
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On April 12 2013 22:23 Vivax wrote:
How sure are we that he would have died anyway even if scum shot Caller first?
BC answered this question already. If dreamflower targets a townie he dies.
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So yamato guarantees that BM picked JV, that's good. If that means there's only one scum left the game is basically over.
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TBH I'm inclined to let BM shoot whoever he wants, and as M_Z said if he is alive and no scum is dead we just kill him.
I asked a similar question about how the godfather's "cover" works and haven't got a response but it should be quite informative if this one gets an answer. The reason I wonder is because sinani's role choice and play make me think he *could be* scum. Invention had no clause about going through framing/godfather etc.
I really want to know who is in the PM network now guys.
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On April 13 2013 00:11 Bill Murray wrote:
yeah ill kill vivax
You mean yourself. Shoot Mocsta instead.
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