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Hapahauli
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I also need to see some effort from you this night cycle as well. While you're more active than I've seen you as scum, you also spent the entire day pushing a mislynch and nothing else. That's rather easy for scum to do, and I'm not convinced of your innocence. | ||
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You need to talk to me about your deadline actions a bit. About 1.5 hours before the deadline, you grace us with this rather wonky post: On March 28 2013 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is one another thing why i won't change my vote from Nisani. When the Grack shot happened (and later when prplhz started town telling) there were two players who were totally thrown off their game. Palmar and Hapahauli. Palmar came in with a list of five people and was totally clueless what to do. Which would be okay since he had pushed Grack the whole early D1. If only there wasn't this post of his: He already had another couple of suspects. Where is the exploring? Right. And look what Hapa is doing... It might be the strangest thing I've read in the thread so far. Like... I think you're suspicious of myself and Palmar? Or are you just calling us "off our game"? It's very clear what your intentions are here. In addition, the whole idea of "oh I don't want to move my vote off of Nisani because two other players are acting strange" makes very little sense to me. I'd sympathise if your rationale was that you disagreed with our town-reads on Nisani, but you only dismiss them in passing and never address the logic. On March 28 2013 05:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: If i have to switch to Keir/sinani to ensure a lynch happens i'll switch to Keirathi. He falls into the gray area for me, i don't remember much from him. And i think sinani lynch is pushed by scum. On March 28 2013 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##unvote ##vote Keirathi This is where it starts to get scummy. You switch your vote to Kei without so much as a word here. While I understand that you wanted to consolidate, there are two things wrong here: 1) The deadline was not for another 1 hour and 15 minutes - you had plenty of time to push the Nisani lynch (whom you were reasonably confident in being scum), and instead chose a consolidation lynch in Kei. 2) You didn't really need to consolidate on Kei. In fact, the vote-count between Kei and Nisani at this point was quite even. It reads more like you decided to follow the momentum swing against kei for shits and giggles. On March 28 2013 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Nisani Keir, can you paraphrase what have you talked about in the mason circle? Just a short version. So then you unvote, but even then the circumstances here are strange. You unvote while asking Kei to corroborate his story about being in the Mason circle (by summarizing discussion). That makes very little objective sense, as generally people confirm their read BEFORE acting on something. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Can you describe to me how you go from "ACRO = SCUM"... ... to oh hey I'll vote the guy that he's pushing... no worries! On March 28 2013 06:44 strongandbig wrote: alright i voted nisani marv's argument for why sinani is town seems pretty compelling and i want to lynch somebody if at all possible | ||
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My larger concern with you is how little of worth you've done on Day 1. Your scumhunting contributions are a Dandel meta case with terribly obvious logical flaw, and "Oh hey Nisani made a sheep vote, lets lynch him." (One could possibly add your "passionate" defense of prplhz, but that's defending a townie, and not scumhunting.) Now your Day 1 is problematic for several reasons. 1) You've been "captain-meta-pants" this game, yet completely failed to look into Nisani's meta. At all. You love meta arguments as town, and I get no hint from your filter that you even looked into his game history. 2) You were foaming at the mouth defending prplhz, and I don't see that effort anywhere else in your filter when it comes to pushing a scum-case or hunting scum. 3) The only effort you make into pushing the Nisani lynch is questioning your top town read (myself) about Nisani's alignment. 4) I still have absolutely no clue how on earth you were that convinced that prplhz was town at the time. This has been beaten to death though, so w/e. I mean like half of your Day 1 filter is spent screaming at me about how Prplhz is town. Half. Take that out, and it reveals how little scumhunting you've actually done so far. And to add to that, you're pushing the claimed mason pair right now. I await what you have to write on that subject, but it looks pretty terrible. | ||
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Also Yamato, I know you have played in games with Dandel before. The crux of your initial meta argument was that essentially you saw him play (i..e played with him) in British I and Personality 2. | ||
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On March 29 2013 00:53 prplhz wrote: Correct analysis obviously is, good analysis not so much and no matter what, good analysis should just about never be held against people. The argument myself and others are making is that yamatos defense of you is seemingly correct but not "good" due to how littl you had done at that point in the game. | ||
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If Yamato had approached the situation saying he was "leaning town" on prplhz, that would make much more sense to me. Instead, he didn't have a shred of doubt that you were town due to meta points with extremely limited in-game context. Honestly, if this was just an isolated thing in an otherwise spammy/townie filter, I think is defense of you is independently excusable. However, this is yet another item on the list of scummy things that Yamato has done this game. | ||
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On March 29 2013 01:21 strongandbig wrote: so i haven't gotten up to date with the thread yet but i thought i would answer this part there's a few things. (1) when I made that post criticizing acro, I wanted to draw people's attentions to the post that I quoted and express that I thought it looked bad. If I had a strong overall scum read on acro, that would be a singularly bad way of letting the thread know about it. (2) Even if I did have a strong scum read on acro, that doesn't make his arguments invalid. I could be wrong, and statistically probably I am; he could be bussing; etcetera. Like, if I really thought acro was scum I should pay extra attention to his arguments in order to analyze his point of view in them. (3) You're kind of misrepresenting the situation with the voting as well. Acro's participation in the nisani push had little to do with my decision to vote for him. I explained my reasons in the post you quoted - the only realistic lynch options were sinani and nisani; I was kind of persuaded by Marv that sinani was more likely to be town than sinani, and I didn't want a no lynch, so I voted for sinani. so yeah I was more looking to fill in the blanks, since you've been rather lurky and non-contributory of late. What's your current stance on Acro? | ||
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Talk to me about someone other than Yamato. You said SnB is your other guy. What's scummy about him behaviorally? Anyone else you have an eye on? | ||
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On March 29 2013 01:56 marvellosity wrote: sinani looks worse by default. Palmar looks bad for his apathy towards the lynch. It's something else I'd have to check, but I don't actually recall a single reason he gave for thinking sinani was mafia while Nisani was town. They were just reasonless reads pulled out of thin air. Plus I have townreads on you & Acro which makes me think worse of him automatically. I need to re-look at reyn/prplhz/OO I guess, but they're all getting more useful as the game goes on, and not less useful, so I don't know where that will take me. How does a town-read on Acro have anything to do with Sinani? Acro was one of the guys championing the Nisani lynch. Also... Palmar. You've played with him more than most, so why is he scummy rather than lazy? He was thinking incredibly similarly to me around the deadline, which makes me lean town on him. Also I don't get the sense that he's faking contribution or trying to appease the town, which is more normal with his scum-games. | ||
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