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You haven't attacked anyone? Really?
+ Show Spoiler +On March 26 2013 07:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'll throw the first stone:
##Vote: prplhz for not following his own advice! On March 26 2013 08:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
A perfectly valid case. Says we need to not spam and has three posts in the first four.
Are you his scumbuddy Cora? On March 26 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's with the ninja vote marv? On March 26 2013 10:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On top of that marv & Keir seem to be quite defensive about prplhz. Why not let the guy answer himself? On March 26 2013 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:I have one problem with marv. He pressure voted me early on in the game. When i asked his what's up with the ninja vote, he posted this: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 08:11 marvellosity wrote:On March 26 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's with the ninja vote marv? Just curious how you'd react given you totally overreacted to prplhz. I can join Hapa on his policy lynch though, so you're in luck ^^ ##Unvote
##Vote: ObviousOne If he really thought i overreacted to prplhz why wouldn't he pressure me more? Was the "what's up with the ninja vote" somekinda secret townie answer i gave? If i was marv and i thought someone overreacted to something and i was already pressuring him, i would definitely keep the pressure on to try to find more clues about their alignment. Here he just completely drops the issue and changes his vote to a policy target (which i do not see serving any purpose in finding mafia). On March 26 2013 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am starting to have an urge to lynch Oats. On March 26 2013 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i personally think Smurf's case is totally more likely to be made by a mafioso than S&B's.
Really?
What I see here is lots of accusations but nothing behind them (although the Marv suspicion was decent, I'll admit that).
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On March 27 2013 01:18 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 01:13 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 01:11 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 27 2013 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holy crap Corazon is failing hard to even read my filter. I read your filter and all you've done is attack 6 people, all of which have been under pressure from others. I read your filter bro. Get some better defense. The fact is that rayn has brought new things to the table too; his analysis/vote of OO's second post, or Oats' apparent contradiction with the prplhz/Dandel cases - and indeed something came of this. Being active, suspicious of many people, and aggressively questioning are not what I think of as mafia characteristics. He's not being suspicious of many people, he's jumping around from read to read hoping that it makes him look like he is scumhunting. The only read that he has discussed more than a sentence is his read on OO, which was the popular person to attack at the time. He also called me prp's scum buddy 5 minutes into the game and then started lurking when I called him on that read. He's making a whole bunch of bs reads and only scratching the surface with the arguments that he has made. It's all smoke and mirrors to look like he is scumhunting when in fact he is only creating chaos.
OO was only "popular" in that Hapa and I policy voted him, and Palmar randomly ninja voted him, and that's it. When rayn attacked OO later on for his post, no-one was particularly interested in OO at all.
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On March 26 2013 23:56 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 23:46 strongandbig wrote:On March 26 2013 21:16 Acrofales wrote:
Because he takes some stuff which is not indicative of alignment at all and calls it scummy. + Show Spoiler [keirathi's case post] +On March 26 2013 15:08 Keirathi wrote:Anyways, I'm much more interested in Grack right now. I wasn't particularly awed by Palmar's vote/case and Hapa's input, but his interactions afterward have been much worse IMO. Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 10:56 Grackaroni wrote:On March 26 2013 10:53 Palmar wrote:
Hello thread.
I have concluded that Grackaroni is scum. Please lynch him.
##Vote Grackaroni Any reason in particular? He doesn't call out the bullshit vote. He panics, and questions it to figure out what he did wrong. I don't know any townie who reacts to a random vote on themselves by saying "OH GOD WHAT DID I DO?" Some get mad at the 'bad' play, some ignore it completely, and some vote the person back. But, even more than that: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 11:24 Grackaroni wrote:On March 26 2013 11:19 Palmar wrote:
If you're town I'm about to mislynch you grack. Do something to convince me you're not scum. I really don't think you will. Give me something in the thread you want me to respond to and I will give you my opinion. (not much has stood out to me so far). By the way I'm just curious. Do you remember me from any other games? He's looking for a way out. He doesn't volunteer information, he wants to know what information Palmar wants, so that he can give the "right" answer, rather than a "real" answer. And finally: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 11:37 Grackaroni wrote:
You are problably town. This is the most interest I've seen you take in scumhunting in a long time. (even though I haven't played recently I've tried to keep reading games.)
I can see why that post may have looked scummy. I didn't make my message clear and it looked like I wasn't giving any opinion. I intended for it to be directed at Sinani because I believe him using that as a reason to push the lynch onto OO is much scummier than OO actually not reading his role PM.
the only hesitation I have (and it's a small one) is that in Werewolves I walked into the pm chat and you (as scum) just said that I was scummy after one line and used pushing me as your way of contributing to the thread. (it's possible that you are looking for me to omgus in a fit of anger and dig my own grave)
Despite this hesitation I do believe your posting is townie and I think you want to scumhunt but some past experiences with you do scare me. Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 12:56 Grackaroni wrote:On March 26 2013 12:49 strongandbig wrote:On March 26 2013 12:45 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't like the case on Dandel Ion. He seems to troll regardless of alignment so there's nothing in there that points to him being scum this game as opposed to just anti-town.
@ISH Why didn't you bother to look up a town game of Dandel Ion? u scum bro? No..... I know what you dislike. I didn't say anything about what I think of Dandel Ion or ISH in that post. But I wasn't intending to because I haven't drawn any conclusions on them from it. All i am saying is that I dislike the case and for good reason. The bolded points feel like more "oh crap, I re-read my posts and realize I made some mistakes. Time for damage control". Like, he was already looking back at his posts to see how they LOOKED. His first reaction was to apologize for how they were perceived. THEN he explains himself better. It betrays his mindset of caring about his appearance. How can you say that this stuff is not alignment indicative? "Caring more about looking townie than actually helping town" is like the *definition* of alignment indicative. I'm seeing a lot I don't like from acro at the moment. Also yeah I've been getting uber shat on but it would be cool if prplhz showed up sometime in the next few hours and posted some stuff. There's quite a lot that he could actually comment on now productively and without unnecessarily cluttering the thread again. Because that's not at all the way I read those posts. 1. Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 10:56 Grackaroni wrote:On March 26 2013 10:53 Palmar wrote:
Hello thread.
I have concluded that Grackaroni is scum. Please lynch him.
##Vote Grackaroni Any reason in particular? Keirathi says this is a scummy response. I don't see why. Palmar places an unjustified vote, and Grack asks why. Null. 2. Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 11:24 Grackaroni wrote:On March 26 2013 11:19 Palmar wrote:
If you're town I'm about to mislynch you grack. Do something to convince me you're not scum. I really don't think you will. Give me something in the thread you want me to respond to and I will give you my opinion. (not much has stood out to me so far). By the way I'm just curious. Do you remember me from any other games? By focusing only on the second sentence, Keirathi transforms the meaning imho. I read it as "BRING IT. Anything in particular you want to talk about?" This doesn't mean he won't talk otherwise. Anyway, insecure people looking for guidance from their town reads is not a scumtell. Hence: null. 3. Admitting failure. Yeah, still not scum. It's simply an approach to playing the game. Seen plenty of townies, and scummers, do this. Null tell. And that was the entirety of Keirathi's fantabulous case. Big fucking load of bunk.
I agree with you on the first quote. It's null.
I don't agree on the second quote. Here's a different interpretation:
Asking your town reads for advice is fine, but that's not all he does, he also claims that nothing in the thread so far has stood out to him as worth commenting on. That's what makes the rest of it scummy. At the point people had posted enough in the thread that he should either have been able to identify something worth commenting on, or at least identify players who were posting a lot without providing any content to comment on. At the very least, he could have commented on my case on prplhz. And I don't know if oats had made his case on me yet at that point but he could have commented on it. Accepting that people sometimes look to guidance from their townreads doesn't mean that going up to the person making a case on you for not talking about substance and saying "what substance do you want me to talk about" isn't scummy. And I really don't get much of a "bring it" attitude from that first sentence.
And for your third point, I see what you're getting at but I don't entirely agree, I find myself more in line with keirathi's interpretation when i look at them in the context of the filter as a whole.
I guess now that you explain yourself, I've changed my mind about your reaction being out of touch/weird, but I still don't agree with your interpretation.
+ Show Spoiler [@marv] +On March 26 2013 23:56 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 23:46 strongandbig wrote:
Also yeah I've been getting uber shat on but it would be cool if prplhz showed up sometime in the next few hours and posted some stuff. There's quite a lot that he could actually comment on now productively and without unnecessarily cluttering the thread again.
This is still cracking me up. I'm trying not to post unnecessary stuff but I just found it too funny. Ouch marv :p I was gonna just post this by itself when I saw your post: On Never strongandbig wrote:
i am going to not post unnecessary stuff, and totally ignore this.
but then i thought, wait there actually is kind of some protown motivation for not posting rando stuff, i'll just save this and spoiler it at the end of my next real post.
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He's making a whole bunch of bs reads and only scratching the surface with the arguments that he has made. It's all smoke and mirrors to look like he is scumhunting when in fact he is only creating chaos.
What exactly is "only scratching the surface" in my scumreads on OO/Oats/Smurf?
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On March 27 2013 01:22 cDgCorazon wrote:You haven't attacked anyone? Really? + Show Spoiler +On March 26 2013 07:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'll throw the first stone:
##Vote: prplhz for not following his own advice! On March 26 2013 08:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
A perfectly valid case. Says we need to not spam and has three posts in the first four.
Are you his scumbuddy Cora? On March 26 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's with the ninja vote marv? On March 26 2013 10:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On top of that marv & Keir seem to be quite defensive about prplhz. Why not let the guy answer himself? On March 26 2013 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:I have one problem with marv. He pressure voted me early on in the game. When i asked his what's up with the ninja vote, he posted this: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 08:11 marvellosity wrote:On March 26 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's with the ninja vote marv? Just curious how you'd react given you totally overreacted to prplhz. I can join Hapa on his policy lynch though, so you're in luck ^^ ##Unvote
##Vote: ObviousOne If he really thought i overreacted to prplhz why wouldn't he pressure me more? Was the "what's up with the ninja vote" somekinda secret townie answer i gave? If i was marv and i thought someone overreacted to something and i was already pressuring him, i would definitely keep the pressure on to try to find more clues about their alignment. Here he just completely drops the issue and changes his vote to a policy target (which i do not see serving any purpose in finding mafia). On March 26 2013 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am starting to have an urge to lynch Oats. On March 26 2013 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i personally think Smurf's case is totally more likely to be made by a mafioso than S&B's. Really? What I see here is lots of accusations but nothing behind them (although the Marv suspicion was decent, I'll admit that).
If you seriously believe the first two quotes are "attacking" you should consider taking a look how good you are at playing mafia. The third one is a simple question. Everything else i have explained.
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There needs to be more pressure on dandel ion.
Keeping the thread clear, readable, and coherent (AKA "not spamming") has been a major topic of discussion. It has reverberated in offhand comments, in the way players have said they are interacting with the game, and explicitly in pressure put on various players.
The only player to completely ignore this and keep to his "spammy meta" has been dandel. At this point, for him not to notice the difference between how he is interacting with the thread and how everyone else is would have to take a conscious effort.
The scum motivation for this is obvious. Long, unreadable, spammy threads hurt the town.
Dandel is choosing to play in a way that hurts town and helps scum. That's not okay.
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On March 27 2013 01:31 strongandbig wrote:
There needs to be more pressure on dandel ion.
Keeping the thread clear, readable, and coherent (AKA "not spamming") has been a major topic of discussion. It has reverberated in offhand comments, in the way players have said they are interacting with the game, and explicitly in pressure put on various players.
The only player to completely ignore this and keep to his "spammy meta" has been dandel. At this point, for him not to notice the difference between how he is interacting with the thread and how everyone else is would have to take a conscious effort.
The scum motivation for this is obvious. Long, unreadable, spammy threads hurt the town.
Dandel is choosing to play in a way that hurts town and helps scum. That's not okay.
What 'pressure' do you propose exactly? He's either mafia or he is not mafia. Whether you approve of his play or not, do you think he's mafia? If so, why? If not, what are you trying to achieve here?
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I made an obs quicktopic! PM me for the link!
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On March 27 2013 01:31 strongandbig wrote:
There needs to be more pressure on dandel ion.
Keeping the thread clear, readable, and coherent (AKA "not spamming") has been a major topic of discussion. It has reverberated in offhand comments, in the way players have said they are interacting with the game, and explicitly in pressure put on various players.
The only player to completely ignore this and keep to his "spammy meta" has been dandel. At this point, for him not to notice the difference between how he is interacting with the thread and how everyone else is would have to take a conscious effort.
The scum motivation for this is obvious. Long, unreadable, spammy threads hurt the town.
Dandel is choosing to play in a way that hurts town and helps scum. That's not okay.
Hey, I totally didn't post half the posts I originally wanted to post/typed out.
I'm trying really hard over here.
Go find scum. Your post is completely useless, and the hypocricy hurts my brain.
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On March 27 2013 01:43 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 01:31 strongandbig wrote:
There needs to be more pressure on dandel ion.
Keeping the thread clear, readable, and coherent (AKA "not spamming") has been a major topic of discussion. It has reverberated in offhand comments, in the way players have said they are interacting with the game, and explicitly in pressure put on various players.
The only player to completely ignore this and keep to his "spammy meta" has been dandel. At this point, for him not to notice the difference between how he is interacting with the thread and how everyone else is would have to take a conscious effort.
The scum motivation for this is obvious. Long, unreadable, spammy threads hurt the town.
Dandel is choosing to play in a way that hurts town and helps scum. That's not okay. Hey, I totally didn't post half the posts I originally wanted to post/typed out. I'm trying really hard over here. Go find scum. Your post is completely useless, and the hypocricy hurts my brain.
I would also like to add that I tend to get mislynched if I don't spam, so I'm actually pro-town in doing it.
And my filter is barely 3 pages.
I mean, that's so little.
I really don't get your problem.
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On March 27 2013 01:46 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 01:43 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 27 2013 01:31 strongandbig wrote:
There needs to be more pressure on dandel ion.
Keeping the thread clear, readable, and coherent (AKA "not spamming") has been a major topic of discussion. It has reverberated in offhand comments, in the way players have said they are interacting with the game, and explicitly in pressure put on various players.
The only player to completely ignore this and keep to his "spammy meta" has been dandel. At this point, for him not to notice the difference between how he is interacting with the thread and how everyone else is would have to take a conscious effort.
The scum motivation for this is obvious. Long, unreadable, spammy threads hurt the town.
Dandel is choosing to play in a way that hurts town and helps scum. That's not okay. Hey, I totally didn't post half the posts I originally wanted to post/typed out. I'm trying really hard over here. Go find scum. Your post is completely useless, and the hypocricy hurts my brain. I would also like to add that I tend to get mislynched if I don't spam, so I'm actually pro-town in doing it. And my filter is barely 3 pages. I mean, that's so little. I really don't get your problem.
I would like to add that quoting your own posts makes it seem like you are talking to yourself, and that confuses me...
Lotta stuff has been thrown around but who is the n1 candidate people want to lynch?
ANYBODY?
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On March 27 2013 01:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 01:46 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 27 2013 01:43 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 27 2013 01:31 strongandbig wrote:
There needs to be more pressure on dandel ion.
Keeping the thread clear, readable, and coherent (AKA "not spamming") has been a major topic of discussion. It has reverberated in offhand comments, in the way players have said they are interacting with the game, and explicitly in pressure put on various players.
The only player to completely ignore this and keep to his "spammy meta" has been dandel. At this point, for him not to notice the difference between how he is interacting with the thread and how everyone else is would have to take a conscious effort.
The scum motivation for this is obvious. Long, unreadable, spammy threads hurt the town.
Dandel is choosing to play in a way that hurts town and helps scum. That's not okay. Hey, I totally didn't post half the posts I originally wanted to post/typed out. I'm trying really hard over here. Go find scum. Your post is completely useless, and the hypocricy hurts my brain. I would also like to add that I tend to get mislynched if I don't spam, so I'm actually pro-town in doing it. And my filter is barely 3 pages. I mean, that's so little. I really don't get your problem. I would like to add that quoting your own posts makes it seem like you are talking to yourself, and that confuses me... Lotta stuff has been thrown around but who is the n1 candidate people want to lynch? ANYBODY?
OO, you come close as second.
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On March 27 2013 01:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 01:46 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 27 2013 01:43 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 27 2013 01:31 strongandbig wrote:
There needs to be more pressure on dandel ion.
Keeping the thread clear, readable, and coherent (AKA "not spamming") has been a major topic of discussion. It has reverberated in offhand comments, in the way players have said they are interacting with the game, and explicitly in pressure put on various players.
The only player to completely ignore this and keep to his "spammy meta" has been dandel. At this point, for him not to notice the difference between how he is interacting with the thread and how everyone else is would have to take a conscious effort.
The scum motivation for this is obvious. Long, unreadable, spammy threads hurt the town.
Dandel is choosing to play in a way that hurts town and helps scum. That's not okay. Hey, I totally didn't post half the posts I originally wanted to post/typed out. I'm trying really hard over here. Go find scum. Your post is completely useless, and the hypocricy hurts my brain. I would also like to add that I tend to get mislynched if I don't spam, so I'm actually pro-town in doing it. And my filter is barely 3 pages. I mean, that's so little. I really don't get your problem. I would like to add that quoting your own posts makes it seem like you are talking to yourself, and that confuses me... Lotta stuff has been thrown around but who is the n1 candidate people want to lynch? ANYBODY?
See, snb, like that.
I already had a post written out that said
"I really don't think you need any incentive to be confused"
But then I decided that it was useless and didn't need posting so I didn't post it only now i post it so you know i could have posted it but decided against it even though i did in the end but only to make a point.
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Scratching the surface = throwing out baseless accusations and not following them up
I also love how you leave out your random feelings that Oats and Smurf are scum. Way to only answer the points that I might not be right on. That is ridiculously scummy.
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On March 27 2013 01:51 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 01:47 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 01:46 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 27 2013 01:43 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 27 2013 01:31 strongandbig wrote:
There needs to be more pressure on dandel ion.
Keeping the thread clear, readable, and coherent (AKA "not spamming") has been a major topic of discussion. It has reverberated in offhand comments, in the way players have said they are interacting with the game, and explicitly in pressure put on various players.
The only player to completely ignore this and keep to his "spammy meta" has been dandel. At this point, for him not to notice the difference between how he is interacting with the thread and how everyone else is would have to take a conscious effort.
The scum motivation for this is obvious. Long, unreadable, spammy threads hurt the town.
Dandel is choosing to play in a way that hurts town and helps scum. That's not okay. Hey, I totally didn't post half the posts I originally wanted to post/typed out. I'm trying really hard over here. Go find scum. Your post is completely useless, and the hypocricy hurts my brain. I would also like to add that I tend to get mislynched if I don't spam, so I'm actually pro-town in doing it. And my filter is barely 3 pages. I mean, that's so little. I really don't get your problem. I would like to add that quoting your own posts makes it seem like you are talking to yourself, and that confuses me... Lotta stuff has been thrown around but who is the n1 candidate people want to lynch? ANYBODY? See, snb, like that. I already had a post written out that said "I really don't think you need any incentive to be confused" But then I decided that it was useless and didn't need posting so I didn't post it only now i post it so you know i could have posted it but decided against it even though i did in the end but only to make a point.
Fuck you Dandel, I couldn't help myself.
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On March 27 2013 01:36 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 01:31 strongandbig wrote:
There needs to be more pressure on dandel ion.
Keeping the thread clear, readable, and coherent (AKA "not spamming") has been a major topic of discussion. It has reverberated in offhand comments, in the way players have said they are interacting with the game, and explicitly in pressure put on various players.
The only player to completely ignore this and keep to his "spammy meta" has been dandel. At this point, for him not to notice the difference between how he is interacting with the thread and how everyone else is would have to take a conscious effort.
The scum motivation for this is obvious. Long, unreadable, spammy threads hurt the town.
Dandel is choosing to play in a way that hurts town and helps scum. That's not okay. What 'pressure' do you propose exactly? He's either mafia or he is not mafia. Whether you approve of his play or not, do you think he's mafia? If so, why? If not, what are you trying to achieve here?
Right now, I'm null on his alignment. I want him to change the way he's posting. The longer he continues without changing it, the more likely that he's doing it because he's scum trying to mess up our thread. So the 'pressure' is less of a "I SAY YOU ARE MAFIA NOW REACT/DANCE FOR ME" and more of a "you are doing this thing that has a clear scum motivation and no town motivation, stop doing it or I will be forced to conclude you're doing it because of the scum motivation rather than without thinking about it."
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Hey guys, let's murder Grackaroni
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On March 27 2013 01:57 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 01:36 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 01:31 strongandbig wrote:
There needs to be more pressure on dandel ion.
Keeping the thread clear, readable, and coherent (AKA "not spamming") has been a major topic of discussion. It has reverberated in offhand comments, in the way players have said they are interacting with the game, and explicitly in pressure put on various players.
The only player to completely ignore this and keep to his "spammy meta" has been dandel. At this point, for him not to notice the difference between how he is interacting with the thread and how everyone else is would have to take a conscious effort.
The scum motivation for this is obvious. Long, unreadable, spammy threads hurt the town.
Dandel is choosing to play in a way that hurts town and helps scum. That's not okay. What 'pressure' do you propose exactly? He's either mafia or he is not mafia. Whether you approve of his play or not, do you think he's mafia? If so, why? If not, what are you trying to achieve here? Right now, I'm null on his alignment. I want him to change the way he's posting. The longer he continues without changing it, the more likely that he's doing it because he's scum trying to mess up our thread. So the 'pressure' is less of a "I SAY YOU ARE MAFIA NOW REACT/DANCE FOR ME" and more of a "you are doing this thing that has a clear scum motivation and no town motivation, stop doing it or I will be forced to conclude you're doing it because of the scum motivation rather than without thinking about it."
"Your town meta is scummy and I will want to lynch you if you continue playing like you normally do as town"
ok s&b.
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On March 27 2013 01:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
Scratching the surface = throwing out baseless accusations and not following them up
I also love how you leave out your random feelings that Oats and Smurf are scum. Way to only answer the points that I might not be right on. That is ridiculously scummy.
How the fuck i'm supposed to follow up my accusation on OO when he has not answered it yet? Noone has pointed out why the case is bad so i'm waiting on OO to answer it first.
If you can't find out why i think Oats & Smurf are scum by reading my filter then it's your fault not mine. Anyways your case is total bullshit.
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Oh God Palmar is back.
Anything that you found useful/care to discuss Palmar?
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