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On March 27 2013 00:13 InsertSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 00:10 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 27 2013 00:08 InsertSmurfHere wrote:On March 26 2013 23:59 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 26 2013 23:53 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
No, I was specifically told that I ignored all of Dandel's town games, which I did not. Nor did I ever claim to be the authority on his meta, I simply found similarity between his most recent scum game and this game and drew a hasty conclusion that I have since seen as faulty.
Like I said, my experience with town Dandel is that he does make decent reads that have some sort of logic behind them. I had seen none of that at that point, so I made known my suspicion of him. The jury is still out on that one, but he looks better for having some reason for attacking Marv than he did before. Horseshit. You were doing this: "let's see how scum Dandel normally opens his games! Oh my that looks similar to this game! I won't even check any of his town games and call him scum just for the hell of it hey guys look how protown and scumhunting I am!" Now you do this: "Oh shit I made a terrible case on a townie BACKPEDALBACKPEDAL" In my case on you I clearly said I expected better from you, Dandel. My experience from the first British and Personality is that you aren't just a troll, but as I see you just need time to flower. And why did you need to make a shitty case to realize this "experience"? Because there are times when you call people out for posting like idiots at the start of the game, and this was one of them. I initially thought it might be alignment indicative but I've since been proven wrong. You can fault me for not doing more research, but I did think I was more familiar with you than I was.
Yes, in fact I do fault you for that. Thanks.
Your reasoning being "I'm dumb and arrogant at the same time" doesn't help at all.
Cora, I'm unimpressed. Very unimpressed.
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On March 27 2013 00:15 InsertSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 00:11 cDgCorazon wrote:Hi. Thanks Mr. Smurf for calling me lurky when I was asleep. If you're going to make silly meta reads on me, it's not going to get you anywhere. In all honesty this thread has still been ridiculously chaotic. After the tragedy that was Personality Mafia, I'm trying to only post when I have thoughts and cases to make. Right now we are just switching from one lynch target to the other and not really getting anything done besides calling each other scum. As much as the hosts love to troll, I don't think that they made everyone scum. Sorry guys. To add my thoughts to the ring, I'm still convinced that Rayn is scum. He's following the thread sentiment to the letter. He's just attacking whoever has the heat at the time. Less than 24 hours into the game, he has already attacked the following people: Prphlz (voted) Me Marv Keir OO (voted) Oats + Show Spoiler +
That's 40% of the people in the game...
The other problem I have with this is that Rayn is not following through with any of his arguments (besides the OO vote). He's quite content to go after multiple people and not back his sentiments up. It's scummy because he's just trying to look like he is scumhunting, when in reality he is just shitting up the thread and sheeping on whoever is the flavor of the month (or by this thread's standards, flavor of the 10 minutes). That's not town-motivated behavior, it's scummy behavior. ##Vote: RaynpelikoneetIf there's any questions for me I'd love to hear them. How about a read not on rayn? He's kinda the only dude you talk about.
I've already called Acro out for overreacting to things.
Having reads on 5 people is going to lead to Personality Mafia-like conditions. I'm not doing that again.
You're not even paying attention to my reads, you just want to see me throw sub-standard crap out. I'm not falling for the bait.
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On March 27 2013 00:11 cDgCorazon wrote:
In all honesty this thread has still been ridiculously chaotic. After the tragedy that was Personality Mafia, I'm trying to only post when I have thoughts and cases to make. Right now we are just switching from one lynch target to the other and not really getting anything done besides calling each other scum. As much as the hosts love to troll, I don't think that they made everyone scum. Sorry guys.
I agree with you Dandel, although I'm not sure for the same reasons. This part of the post reads particularly weirdly to me; this is not my impression of the game so far at all. While we're still missing a few players posting in earnest, what we've had so far is actually pretty productive and cogent for this stage of the game.
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On March 27 2013 00:20 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 00:11 cDgCorazon wrote:
In all honesty this thread has still been ridiculously chaotic. After the tragedy that was Personality Mafia, I'm trying to only post when I have thoughts and cases to make. Right now we are just switching from one lynch target to the other and not really getting anything done besides calling each other scum. As much as the hosts love to troll, I don't think that they made everyone scum. Sorry guys.
I agree with you Dandel, although I'm not sure for the same reasons. This part of the post reads particularly weirdly to me; this is not my impression of the game so far at all. While we're still missing a few players posting in earnest, what we've had so far is actually pretty productive and cogent for this stage of the game.
Its probably cause you arent posting and you dont have like a 10 page filter by now.
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Yes, thank you Oats :/
Corazon, could you tell me what you think of Palmar's push on Grackeroni?
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On March 27 2013 00:19 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 00:15 InsertSmurfHere wrote:On March 27 2013 00:11 cDgCorazon wrote:Hi. Thanks Mr. Smurf for calling me lurky when I was asleep. If you're going to make silly meta reads on me, it's not going to get you anywhere. In all honesty this thread has still been ridiculously chaotic. After the tragedy that was Personality Mafia, I'm trying to only post when I have thoughts and cases to make. Right now we are just switching from one lynch target to the other and not really getting anything done besides calling each other scum. As much as the hosts love to troll, I don't think that they made everyone scum. Sorry guys. To add my thoughts to the ring, I'm still convinced that Rayn is scum. He's following the thread sentiment to the letter. He's just attacking whoever has the heat at the time. Less than 24 hours into the game, he has already attacked the following people: Prphlz (voted) Me Marv Keir OO (voted) Oats + Show Spoiler +
That's 40% of the people in the game...
The other problem I have with this is that Rayn is not following through with any of his arguments (besides the OO vote). He's quite content to go after multiple people and not back his sentiments up. It's scummy because he's just trying to look like he is scumhunting, when in reality he is just shitting up the thread and sheeping on whoever is the flavor of the month (or by this thread's standards, flavor of the 10 minutes). That's not town-motivated behavior, it's scummy behavior. ##Vote: RaynpelikoneetIf there's any questions for me I'd love to hear them. How about a read not on rayn? He's kinda the only dude you talk about. I've already called Acro out for overreacting to things. Having reads on 5 people is going to lead to Personality Mafia-like conditions. I'm not doing that again. You're not even paying attention to my reads, you just want to see me throw sub-standard crap out. I'm not falling for the bait.
No, I want you to post reads that mean something. Acro "overreacting" is not a read, it's an observation. What does that day about his alignment? Does he do this as town? As scum? Is overreacting a general scum tell? Why?
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On March 27 2013 00:22 marvellosity wrote:
Yes, thank you Oats :/
Corazon, could you tell me what you think of Palmar's push on Grackeroni?
Palmar's tunneling of Grack is Palmar being Palmar. I'm slightly leaning town because I could see a scum Palmar tunneling someone who is a more popular read (such as OO or Marv). Besides that, it's not very revealing about Palmar's alignment.
@Smurf: I'm not going to sit here and give you all my random thoughts. I'm playing a focused game and I think Rayn is scum. Are you going to comment about the case or call me scummy for having a scum read?
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On March 27 2013 00:25 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 00:22 marvellosity wrote:
Yes, thank you Oats :/
Corazon, could you tell me what you think of Palmar's push on Grackeroni? Palmar's tunneling of Grack is Palmar being Palmar. I'm slightly leaning town because I could see a scum Palmar tunneling someone who is a more popular read (such as OO or Marv). Besides that, it's not very revealing about Palmar's alignment. @Smurf: I'm not going to sit here and give you all my random thoughts. I'm playing a focused game and I think Rayn is scum. Are you going to comment about the case or call me scummy for having a scum read?
And what's your opinion on Grackeroni himself?
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On March 27 2013 00:20 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 00:11 cDgCorazon wrote:
In all honesty this thread has still been ridiculously chaotic. After the tragedy that was Personality Mafia, I'm trying to only post when I have thoughts and cases to make. Right now we are just switching from one lynch target to the other and not really getting anything done besides calling each other scum. As much as the hosts love to troll, I don't think that they made everyone scum. Sorry guys.
I agree with you Dandel, although I'm not sure for the same reasons. This part of the post reads particularly weirdly to me; this is not my impression of the game so far at all. While we're still missing a few players posting in earnest, what we've had so far is actually pretty productive and cogent for this stage of the game.
That's a bad sign.
For either of us.
I hope you know that.
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I'll talk about rayn when I get out of class. In the mean time, how about being cooperative and doing something besides tunneling one player? You talk about personality, how about you learn your lesson from that game?
I'm asking for you to expand upon your reads. It shouldn't be that difficult if you're actually town.
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On March 27 2013 00:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 00:25 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 27 2013 00:22 marvellosity wrote:
Yes, thank you Oats :/
Corazon, could you tell me what you think of Palmar's push on Grackeroni? Palmar's tunneling of Grack is Palmar being Palmar. I'm slightly leaning town because I could see a scum Palmar tunneling someone who is a more popular read (such as OO or Marv). Besides that, it's not very revealing about Palmar's alignment. @Smurf: I'm not going to sit here and give you all my random thoughts. I'm playing a focused game and I think Rayn is scum. Are you going to comment about the case or call me scummy for having a scum read? And what's your opinion on Grackeroni himself?
My opinion on Grack is that he needs to start scumhunting. I could understand why he spent the first part of the game on the defensive. I think he handled the aggression towards him really well (not OMGUSing) and was able to constructively and logically defend himself.
However, he needs to go on the offensive now. He has made some preliminary reads on Kei and others, but nothing in depth. That is what I would like to see from Grack.
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On March 27 2013 00:27 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
I'll talk about rayn when I get out of class. In the mean time, how about being cooperative and doing something besides tunneling one player? You talk about personality, how about you learn your lesson from that game?
I'm asking for you to expand upon your reads. It shouldn't be that difficult if you're actually town.
I just expanded upon my Rayn read.
Also in Personality Mafia I was playing Palmar so I don't know where you are going with that comment.
All you are is silly meta reads Smurf. In all honesty nothing I do is going to be right for you because (I'm not scumhunting enough). You need to get off your high horse and realize that you've done less good scumhunting than I have.
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On March 27 2013 00:33 cDgCorazon wrote:
All you are is silly meta reads Smurf. In all honesty nothing I do is going to be right for you because (I'm not scumhunting enough). You need to get off your high horse and realize that you've done less good scumhunting than I have.
Who cares Cora?
Does that make him scum/town?
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On March 27 2013 00:34 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 00:33 cDgCorazon wrote:
All you are is silly meta reads Smurf. In all honesty nothing I do is going to be right for you because (I'm not scumhunting enough). You need to get off your high horse and realize that you've done less good scumhunting than I have. Who cares Cora? Does that make him scum/town?
I think it makes him scum. What he's doing is not really scum hunting, it's just shitting up the thread and only looking like he is scumhunting. However, he is still losing to Rayn for #1 scum. He could also be hard-defending Rayn by going after me in particular, but that's an association case we will save for later
I think that you are doing a better job of making the same point as Smurf (that I need to scumhunt more). It's a lot more constructive than what Smurf is doing. Therefore, I'm leaning town on you as well.
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Holy crap Corazon is failing hard to even read my filter.
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On March 27 2013 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holy crap Corazon is failing hard to even read my filter.
I read your filter and all you've done is attack 6 people, all of which have been under pressure from others. I read your filter bro. Get some better defense.
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On March 27 2013 01:11 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holy crap Corazon is failing hard to even read my filter. I read your filter and all you've done is attack 6 people, all of which have been under pressure from others. I read your filter bro. Get some better defense.
The fact is that rayn has brought new things to the table too; his analysis/vote of OO's second post, or Oats' apparent contradiction with the prplhz/Dandel cases - and indeed something came of this.
Being active, suspicious of many people, and aggressively questioning are not what I think of as mafia characteristics.
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On March 27 2013 01:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 01:11 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 27 2013 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holy crap Corazon is failing hard to even read my filter. I read your filter and all you've done is attack 6 people, all of which have been under pressure from others. I read your filter bro. Get some better defense. The fact is that rayn has brought new things to the table too; his analysis/vote of OO's second post, or Oats' apparent contradiction with the prplhz/Dandel cases - and indeed something came of this. Being active, suspicious of many people, and aggressively questioning are not what I think of as mafia characteristics.
Besides this i havn't attacked people. I questioned marv and Keirathi. Keirathi told me why i was wrong in prplhz-defending-thingy, i agreed i was wrong and let it go. I questioned marv because i wanted him to do stuff. I agree with his reads/observations when he presented them and it makes me think he is town for now. He still didn't answer my question about the start of the game but because everyone seems to think it's irrelevant it probably is and i'm not going to sidetrack the discussion by screaming about it over and over again.
Try again Cora.
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On March 27 2013 01:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 01:11 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 27 2013 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holy crap Corazon is failing hard to even read my filter. I read your filter and all you've done is attack 6 people, all of which have been under pressure from others. I read your filter bro. Get some better defense. The fact is that rayn has brought new things to the table too; his analysis/vote of OO's second post, or Oats' apparent contradiction with the prplhz/Dandel cases - and indeed something came of this. Being active, suspicious of many people, and aggressively questioning are not what I think of as mafia characteristics.
He's not being suspicious of many people, he's jumping around from read to read hoping that it makes him look like he is scumhunting. The only read that he has discussed more than a sentence is his read on OO, which was the popular person to attack at the time. He also called me prp's scum buddy 5 minutes into the game and then started lurking when I called him on that read.
He's making a whole bunch of bs reads and only scratching the surface with the arguments that he has made. It's all smoke and mirrors to look like he is scumhunting when in fact he is only creating chaos.
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Eh, if you really want closure on that rayn... you overreacted (serious or otherwise) to prplhz at the start, so I wanted to see how you'd react to something else that was ostensibly unreasonable. You acted in a sane, normal manner, and that's all there was to see. I don't know if that thing means anything in particular for your alignment, but it's why I did it. I didn't pursue you further because I wasn't interested in pursuing you in the first place.
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