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On March 27 2013 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 01:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
Scratching the surface = throwing out baseless accusations and not following them up
I also love how you leave out your random feelings that Oats and Smurf are scum. Way to only answer the points that I might not be right on. That is ridiculously scummy. How the fuck i'm supposed to follow up my accusation on OO when he has not answered it yet? Noone has pointed out why the case is bad so i'm waiting on OO to answer it first. If you can't find out why i think Oats & Smurf are scum by reading my filter then it's your fault not mine. Anyways your case is total bullshit.
Whatever your bullshit question was got buried. CBA to find it until I get to a desktop computer. But you're wrong about me being mafia. I don't feel bad about not answering your case because I feel no need to defend myself from you. I'd rather discuss Grack since he is using me as an opportunity to sheep town sentiment on a player who (and you're going to love this) always looks scummy D1 (me!)
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Some updates.
I like Smurf's more recent participation. Pressure on Cora feels good. Still don't like his stance on DI, and it depends on how good a player Smurf is, whether this is something that can be excused, or is an obvious scumtell. I want to know who he is.
Raynpelikoneet does not look particularly scummy to me. There are some posts I don't like:
+ Show Spoiler [this one] +On March 26 2013 10:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
S&B: I never said i wasn't serious with my vote. I asked marv why does he assume i am serious. Something he also failed to answer.
+ Show Spoiler [and this one] +On March 26 2013 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 10:34 Keirathi wrote:On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first? Because it doesn't matter a single bit how he reacts because the case was built on false information. Hell, if I was scum, I would love nothing more than for someone to make a case on me that I could so easily refute just by posting a few quotes from my previous games that wouldn't even be hard to find. The point of making "cases" isn't to convince the person they are scum. They are to convince everyone else that someone is scum. Plus, S&B was asking for opinions about his case. The problem with meta in this prplhz case is that it's the easiest thing in the world to fake. Even the dumbest idiot could probably fake their "town meta" by posting some general advice as their first post. Other than that part, you are right.
However, neither of these are particularly concerning... and while his case on OO was somewhat OMGUS, I think he picked on some good points and OO's case really was just a bad association case based on unflipped players.
Mostly, however, I like that he does not seem concerned to speak his mind or share his reads, and I don't get the feeling that he is just throwing suspicion around to see where it sticks. In closing: he's not a scumspect at the moment.
I'm not really liking what I see in Cora's filter.
In particular this post:
On March 26 2013 15:17 cDgCorazon wrote:
Acro you are blowing OO saying that he hasn't read his role pm way out of proportion. It was annoying at first, but now it's looking scummy.
came at a time when I was NOT talking about OO at all (except to answer Oats' stupid question). In fact, I only directly talk about OO in two posts, the rest is all using it as a springboard to analyse OTHER players' reactions to it. At the time, I had specifically singled out two reactions as feeling off: Nisani's and Cora's own. Trying to flip it back just reaks of panicked OMGUS.
However, given how Cora was a rather easy mislynch in Personality 2, I am hesitant to just outright call him scum for this behaviour. While I don't agree with his read on Rayn, his posts about it are reasonable and he seems forthcoming with his opinion.
My main scumspect is still Nisani. His case was a pack of lies and he has disappeared from the thread again. Lynch him. Here is his case on me:
On March 26 2013 13:52 Nisani201 wrote:Acrofales seemed to be making a lot of sense at the beginning of the game and now he's looking really bad. He said this: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 10:54 Acrofales wrote:
However, if you BELIEVE OO is lying about not having read his role PM; you should really be in favour of lynching him. The ONLY reason to LIE about this, is because he's scum. There is no townie reason to lie and say you have not read your role PM. The joking stage of the game is over and he's still trying to drag it on into seriousness. And looking back at his filter, he said a lot of things about how people should be interpreting OO's words without putting in his own opinion. And in general there isn't much real content in his filter. I think he's scum. ##vote acrofales
My first few posts were where I gave my opinion about OO's claim. How can those be my most sensible posts when he has clearly not even read them properly?!
It's because he is scum and needed to contribute, so jumped on something without thinking it through, that's why.
##revote Nisani201 for emphasis.
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I had no questions. I was telling why you are scum.
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EBWOP: Above directed to OO
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On March 27 2013 02:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I had no questions. I was telling why you are scum.
Oh. That's cool. Carry on then. You don't have to try to convince me I'm scum. While you're here, summarize your feelings about Grack for me, 'kay?
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On March 27 2013 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 01:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
Scratching the surface = throwing out baseless accusations and not following them up
I also love how you leave out your random feelings that Oats and Smurf are scum. Way to only answer the points that I might not be right on. That is ridiculously scummy. How the fuck i'm supposed to follow up my accusation on OO when he has not answered it yet? Noone has pointed out why the case is bad so i'm waiting on OO to answer it first. If you can't find out why i think Oats & Smurf are scum by reading my filter then it's your fault not mine. Anyways your case is total bullshit.
I never said your case about OO was not detailed or followed up. I said it was the only one that wasn't a random accusation.
If it's total bullshit you would tell me why all the points are total bullshit, not just the ones that are decently easy to push to the side. "Oats and Smurf are scum because they are scum, you idiot" isn't a defense.
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On March 27 2013 02:46 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I had no questions. I was telling why you are scum. Oh. That's cool. Carry on then. You don't have to try to convince me I'm scum. While you're here, summarize your feelings about Grack for me, 'kay?
On March 27 2013 02:47 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 27 2013 01:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
Scratching the surface = throwing out baseless accusations and not following them up
I also love how you leave out your random feelings that Oats and Smurf are scum. Way to only answer the points that I might not be right on. That is ridiculously scummy. How the fuck i'm supposed to follow up my accusation on OO when he has not answered it yet? Noone has pointed out why the case is bad so i'm waiting on OO to answer it first. If you can't find out why i think Oats & Smurf are scum by reading my filter then it's your fault not mine. Anyways your case is total bullshit. I never said your case about OO was not detailed or followed up. I said it was the only one that wasn't a random accusation. If it's total bullshit you would tell me why all the points are total bullshit, not just the ones that are decently easy to push to the side. "Oats and Smurf are scum because they are scum, you idiot" isn't a defense.
I do not want to re-explain my thoughts. Everything you guys ask me in these posts are in my filter. I'd rather not waste my time on things i have already explained. It's your job to look it up.
Now excuse me, i gtg to eat.
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Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support).
Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later.
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On March 26 2013 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar:
I don't like the Grack case as much as i do like the OO one. Both fall into the same category of being non-commital but on top of that OO gives people some catches. If someone bases a case on me influenced by OO's post he can't be held accountable for it but he actually was the one who gave the thought out in the first place. I don't like wishy-washyness but even more i dislike wishy-washyness that leaves an open door for stupid townies to push a mislynch which you in fact caused in the first place.
So this is saying the Grack is more town than me but doesn't say If you think he's town or mafia.
Are you still trying to discredit me based on making one post before reading my role PM?
Is Grack town or scum?
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On March 27 2013 02:46 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I had no questions. I was telling why you are scum. Oh. That's cool. Carry on then. You don't have to try to convince me I'm scum. While you're here, summarize your feelings about Grack for me, 'kay?
OO, who's your top scumread? Your filter is VERY vague and says nothing about who you think is scum.
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On March 27 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:
Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support).
Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later.
What makes you say OO is not timid? He has not really done anything that stands out except to not read his role PM, when he had, probably, not read his role pm, which makes that completely non-indicative of alignment. Since then he has shared 2 rather vague and meaningless association cases... and a meandering post about Grack that left me with the feeling that he didn't actually have an opinion either way.
Where are the reads? Where is the scumhunting? Where is the townie activity?
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Cora, you have essentially one read that you've fleshed out, and that read has met significant resistance with the thread. Why don't you give a read on a different player? I know you are capable of this as town, I saw it in Duel. Hop off your tunnel train for a minute and realize I want something more alignment indicative out of you than this attack on rayn.
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On March 27 2013 03:01 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:
Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support).
Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later. What makes you say OO is not timid? He has not really done anything that stands out except to not read his role PM, when he had, probably, not read his role pm, which makes that completely non-indicative of alignment. Since then he has shared 2 rather vague and meaningless association cases... and a meandering post about Grack that left me with the feeling that he didn't actually have an opinion either way. Where are the reads? Where is the scumhunting? Where is the townie activity?
Contained in the spoilered case I made in Hydra below are pretty much all of OO's contributions on Day 1 there. It feels pretty different to me.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 16 2013 07:59 FiveTouch wrote:The interesting thing looking at ObliviousEyes, actually, is that there's a very experienced player combined with a newbie. So we can really catch these guys out looking at Oblivious' posts; VE will be harder to catch. This post *alone* is worth a lynch: Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 14:54 ObliviousEyes wrote:
Regarding WittyHydraName: Adam's return/entrance to the thread with his declared lack of motivation is concerning to me. It's been a while without any content from that pair, too. Snarfs asked a couple questions and peaced out, seemed mostly concerned with ObsQT's vote.
Iamperfection is on that team, so I don't expect it to be clear of ObsQT's alignment immediately but Witty(snarfs) took the early vote a bit seriously. I'll keep an eye on Witty, not too concerned with ObsQT right now.
Dirk Hardpec is interesting. Chatty but not terribly informative, at least the filter/game isn't terribly long so the lack of quoting/context on the posts isn't annoying yet. VE knows them better, I'm interested in seeing the fleshed out version of his read.
-OO This really is the scummiest post in the entire thread (unlike Promato's list. take note of the difference folks). There's just a bunch of summaries of what's happening in the thread. Let's look for hard opinions, shall we? What do we have? - Witty is concerning - unclear on iamperfection - keep an eye on witty - Dirk is interesting - interested to see more Not even a shred of an opinion on anything alignment indicative. It's classic newbie mafia. The only shocking thing is that VE didn't stop him making this atrocity of a post (don't let them wifom that he would have stopped him by the way). Here's the followup: Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 15:21 ObliviousEyes wrote:On March 14 2013 06:52 Promato wrote:
Golems are a little strange. While I like both soniv and WoS neither one strikes me as a power player. their decision to simply commentate with a few snide comments tossed in is actually a decent contribution for them. I don't have trouble following their thoughts although their posts do annoy the crap out of me.
The Dirk trolling remains the most suspicious thing in the thread on first read through(sadly enough). I don't like the other reasons marv has given for voting him but marv is telling the truth about Bugs scum meta (or has been setting up this ploy for months since I'm pretty sure he mentioned it during YAN)
Adarfs is probably my follow up if Dirk turns into a useful man beast. Both Adam and Snarfs are good and, well, I'm not seeing it. Intro post was lacking and follow up has been none-existent. Lurker lyncch, but one I'd be willing to say has decentish odds of flipping scum.
anyway, fuck Yamato. I'll try to be useful. Hopefully when he shows up eventually he'll play the game like he promised.
Golems I would call scum-ish but coming from a town place. I like the role-play (it's interesting and fun to read and that makes this more fun for me!). I don't like the excusing themselves but then again, that's extending a courtesy so I'm seeing them more townie than Witty right now. Snarfs is my own main concern right now given how little he's been around and his partner certainly isn't helping. He jumped way too fast on the ObsQT vote shenanigans and then never really followed it up. Again to recap: - Golems scummish but townieish - Snarfs is concerning Another followup: Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 16:11 ObliviousEyes wrote:On March 14 2013 15:39 Moology wrote:On March 14 2013 15:21 ObliviousEyes wrote:On March 14 2013 06:52 Promato wrote:
Golems are a little strange. While I like both soniv and WoS neither one strikes me as a power player. their decision to simply commentate with a few snide comments tossed in is actually a decent contribution for them. I don't have trouble following their thoughts although their posts do annoy the crap out of me.
The Dirk trolling remains the most suspicious thing in the thread on first read through(sadly enough). I don't like the other reasons marv has given for voting him but marv is telling the truth about Bugs scum meta (or has been setting up this ploy for months since I'm pretty sure he mentioned it during YAN)
Adarfs is probably my follow up if Dirk turns into a useful man beast. Both Adam and Snarfs are good and, well, I'm not seeing it. Intro post was lacking and follow up has been none-existent. Lurker lyncch, but one I'd be willing to say has decentish odds of flipping scum.
anyway, fuck Yamato. I'll try to be useful. Hopefully when he shows up eventually he'll play the game like he promised.
Golems I would call scum-ish but coming from a town place. I like the role-play (it's interesting and fun to read and that makes this more fun for me!). I don't like the excusing themselves but then again, that's extending a courtesy so I'm seeing them more townie than Witty right now. Snarfs is my own main concern right now given how little he's been around and his partner certainly isn't helping. He jumped way too fast on the ObsQT vote shenanigans and then never really followed it up. Hello OO. (Please respond specifically instead of VE) What has liking the golem flavour got to do with them "coming from a townie place"? Does it actually matter if you think they are "more townie" than Witty; either Golems are town, scum or null; where do you stand? (moc) I don't think they're being harmful in the way they are choosing to voice themselves, though their opinions aren't exactly forthcoming they are more present and therefore more open and town-looking than Witty. It's a matter of degrees; if it were between the two right this moment I would lynch Witty over Golems. I'm not saying they're super town looking but I can see how it could be just them being town and having some fun. They haven't been under really strong pressure yet, and if they are I would hope they drop the flavor to focus on being effective instead of entertaining. Some up-to-date concrete opinions would mean a lot right now from them, though. -OO - I have made a bulletpoint but I have literally nothing to say as the post says absolutely nothing whatsoever. ObliviousEyes looks very mafia indeed when we look at ObviousOne's contributions. They are all summaries, there's a complete refusal to take stances on anyone. He is the weakling of this team, and he's proving himself as such. Classic mafia play from OO in all regards.
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On March 27 2013 03:01 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:
Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support).
Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later. What makes you say OO is not timid? He has not really done anything that stands out except to not read his role PM, when he had, probably, not read his role pm, which makes that completely non-indicative of alignment. Since then he has shared 2 rather vague and meaningless association cases... and a meandering post about Grack that left me with the feeling that he didn't actually have an opinion either way. Where are the reads? Where is the scumhunting? Where is the townie activity?
You just don't have a handle on how I play. Marv understands me better. This is how I do. When I talk about something, it's typically because it's either worth replying to or the person I'm talking about is a scum-read of mine or someone I'm interested in getting a better read on myself. There's no reason to talk about townies except in passing and/or when referring to cases.
I thought Kei was scummy yesterday but he's looking better today and I have dropped it.
I'm hedging my bets on Grack being scum
- responded to Palmar's pressure by giving Palmar a town read instead of an alternate lynch proposition
- no substantial positions taken outside of calling Nisani's train of thought scummy
- a lot of posts but little of any intent
- seems to have known better than discuss my meaningless intro post but continues to talk about it for several posts instead of simply shutting down the conversation as pointless
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On March 27 2013 03:01 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:
Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support).
Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later. What makes you say OO is not timid? He has not really done anything that stands out except to not read his role PM, when he had, probably, not read his role pm, which makes that completely non-indicative of alignment. Since then he has shared 2 rather vague and meaningless association cases... and a meandering post about Grack that left me with the feeling that he didn't actually have an opinion either way. Where are the reads? Where is the scumhunting? Where is the townie activity?
His case against me wasn't an association case. I mean, the top part of the post was some association bullshit, but the rest of it was just some (badly done) meta comparison to my last game. :o
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On March 27 2013 03:14 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 03:01 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:
Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support).
Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later. What makes you say OO is not timid? He has not really done anything that stands out except to not read his role PM, when he had, probably, not read his role pm, which makes that completely non-indicative of alignment. Since then he has shared 2 rather vague and meaningless association cases... and a meandering post about Grack that left me with the feeling that he didn't actually have an opinion either way. Where are the reads? Where is the scumhunting? Where is the townie activity? His case against me wasn't an association case. I mean, the top part of the post was some association bullshit, but the rest of it was just some (badly done) meta comparison to my last game. :o
The top part was my read on Rayn (which stemmed from thinking the sentence could have come from a scum mindset) ending up as likely town and followed into getting a read on you based on your interaction. There was no intentional association except for the caveat at the end of the post before the last line. Sorry if it came off that way.
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On March 27 2013 02:38 Acrofales wrote:
Some updates.
I like Smurf's more recent participation. Pressure on Cora feels good. Still don't like his stance on DI, and it depends on how good a player Smurf is, whether this is something that can be excused, or is an obvious scumtell. I want to know who he is.
It's yamato.
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Acro, I think your case on Nisani has some merit, though it may have roots in his relative inactivity up to this point. Do you have a second scum read? We seem to agree on Rayn looking town for now so I will ask for your opinion on Oatsmaster.
Is Oats town or scum to you?
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On March 27 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:
Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support).
Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later.
I dont think that Grack is scum.
This post in particular
On March 26 2013 20:55 Grackaroni wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 26 2013 15:08 Keirathi wrote:Anyways, I'm much more interested in Grack right now. I wasn't particularly awed by Palmar's vote/case and Hapa's input, but his interactions afterward have been much worse IMO. Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 10:56 Grackaroni wrote:On March 26 2013 10:53 Palmar wrote:
Hello thread.
I have concluded that Grackaroni is scum. Please lynch him.
##Vote Grackaroni Any reason in particular? He doesn't call out the bullshit vote. He panics, and questions it to figure out what he did wrong. I don't know any townie who reacts to a random vote on themselves by saying "OH GOD WHAT DID I DO?" Some get mad at the 'bad' play, some ignore it completely, and some vote the person back. But, even more than that: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 11:24 Grackaroni wrote:On March 26 2013 11:19 Palmar wrote:
If you're town I'm about to mislynch you grack. Do something to convince me you're not scum. I really don't think you will. Give me something in the thread you want me to respond to and I will give you my opinion. (not much has stood out to me so far). By the way I'm just curious. Do you remember me from any other games? He's looking for a way out. He doesn't volunteer information, he wants to know what information Palmar wants, so that he can give the "right" answer, rather than a "real" answer. And finally: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 11:37 Grackaroni wrote:
You are problably town. This is the most interest I've seen you take in scumhunting in a long time. (even though I haven't played recently I've tried to keep reading games.)
I can see why that post may have looked scummy. I didn't make my message clear and it looked like I wasn't giving any opinion. I intended for it to be directed at Sinani because I believe him using that as a reason to push the lynch onto OO is much scummier than OO actually not reading his role PM.
the only hesitation I have (and it's a small one) is that in Werewolves I walked into the pm chat and you (as scum) just said that I was scummy after one line and used pushing me as your way of contributing to the thread. (it's possible that you are looking for me to omgus in a fit of anger and dig my own grave)
Despite this hesitation I do believe your posting is townie and I think you want to scumhunt but some past experiences with you do scare me. Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 12:56 Grackaroni wrote:On March 26 2013 12:49 strongandbig wrote:On March 26 2013 12:45 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't like the case on Dandel Ion. He seems to troll regardless of alignment so there's nothing in there that points to him being scum this game as opposed to just anti-town.
@ISH Why didn't you bother to look up a town game of Dandel Ion? u scum bro? No..... I know what you dislike. I didn't say anything about what I think of Dandel Ion or ISH in that post. But I wasn't intending to because I haven't drawn any conclusions on them from it. All i am saying is that I dislike the case and for good reason. The bolded points feel like more "oh crap, I re-read my posts and realize I made some mistakes. Time for damage control". Like, he was already looking back at his posts to see how they LOOKED. His first reaction was to apologize for how they were perceived. THEN he explains himself better. It betrays his mindset of caring about his appearance. I don't know what you're talking about Palmar... you did get a couple sheep. This case is weak from Keirathi. Palmar's I could at least understand and actually kind of agree with. Betrays the mindset of caring about his appearance? What kind of logic is that? Of course I care about my appearance, I would prefer to not be the first one lynched. That doesn't point to something I would only do if I was scum. and there's not much to me not omgusing Palmar, he seems to be putting in the effort to scumhunt so I don't think he is scum.
It irritates me when OO attacks me when he obviously hasn't read the thread and just saw Palmar attacking me and filtered me to throw some shit.
@Palmar: any comment on Marv? You guys know each other pretty well. He hasn't taken any sort of stance as well and has shown complete apathy towards scumhunting so far, despite being here more often than others.
He actually read the cases, didnt back down and say that he wont do it again or whatever.
Especially this point,
He knows that OO's attack is bullshit and calls him out for it.
I strongly believe that Grack is town
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On March 27 2013 03:44 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:
Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support).
Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later. I dont think that Grack is scum. This post in particular Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 20:55 Grackaroni wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 26 2013 15:08 Keirathi wrote:Anyways, I'm much more interested in Grack right now. I wasn't particularly awed by Palmar's vote/case and Hapa's input, but his interactions afterward have been much worse IMO. Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 10:56 Grackaroni wrote:On March 26 2013 10:53 Palmar wrote:
Hello thread.
I have concluded that Grackaroni is scum. Please lynch him.
##Vote Grackaroni Any reason in particular? He doesn't call out the bullshit vote. He panics, and questions it to figure out what he did wrong. I don't know any townie who reacts to a random vote on themselves by saying "OH GOD WHAT DID I DO?" Some get mad at the 'bad' play, some ignore it completely, and some vote the person back. But, even more than that: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 11:24 Grackaroni wrote:On March 26 2013 11:19 Palmar wrote:
If you're town I'm about to mislynch you grack. Do something to convince me you're not scum. I really don't think you will. Give me something in the thread you want me to respond to and I will give you my opinion. (not much has stood out to me so far). By the way I'm just curious. Do you remember me from any other games? He's looking for a way out. He doesn't volunteer information, he wants to know what information Palmar wants, so that he can give the "right" answer, rather than a "real" answer. And finally: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 11:37 Grackaroni wrote:
You are problably town. This is the most interest I've seen you take in scumhunting in a long time. (even though I haven't played recently I've tried to keep reading games.)
I can see why that post may have looked scummy. I didn't make my message clear and it looked like I wasn't giving any opinion. I intended for it to be directed at Sinani because I believe him using that as a reason to push the lynch onto OO is much scummier than OO actually not reading his role PM.
the only hesitation I have (and it's a small one) is that in Werewolves I walked into the pm chat and you (as scum) just said that I was scummy after one line and used pushing me as your way of contributing to the thread. (it's possible that you are looking for me to omgus in a fit of anger and dig my own grave)
Despite this hesitation I do believe your posting is townie and I think you want to scumhunt but some past experiences with you do scare me. Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 12:56 Grackaroni wrote:On March 26 2013 12:49 strongandbig wrote:On March 26 2013 12:45 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't like the case on Dandel Ion. He seems to troll regardless of alignment so there's nothing in there that points to him being scum this game as opposed to just anti-town.
@ISH Why didn't you bother to look up a town game of Dandel Ion? u scum bro? No..... I know what you dislike. I didn't say anything about what I think of Dandel Ion or ISH in that post. But I wasn't intending to because I haven't drawn any conclusions on them from it. All i am saying is that I dislike the case and for good reason. The bolded points feel like more "oh crap, I re-read my posts and realize I made some mistakes. Time for damage control". Like, he was already looking back at his posts to see how they LOOKED. His first reaction was to apologize for how they were perceived. THEN he explains himself better. It betrays his mindset of caring about his appearance. I don't know what you're talking about Palmar... you did get a couple sheep. This case is weak from Keirathi. Palmar's I could at least understand and actually kind of agree with. Betrays the mindset of caring about his appearance? What kind of logic is that? Of course I care about my appearance, I would prefer to not be the first one lynched. That doesn't point to something I would only do if I was scum. and there's not much to me not omgusing Palmar, he seems to be putting in the effort to scumhunt so I don't think he is scum.
It irritates me when OO attacks me when he obviously hasn't read the thread and just saw Palmar attacking me and filtered me to throw some shit.
@Palmar: any comment on Marv? You guys know each other pretty well. He hasn't taken any sort of stance as well and has shown complete apathy towards scumhunting so far, despite being here more often than others. He actually read the cases, didnt back down and say that he wont do it again or whatever. Especially this point, He knows that OO's attack is bullshit and calls him out for it. I strongly believe that Grack is town
Except the part where I hadn't read the thread, implying I had not read it at all, which is false. Pointing out inconsistencies, play that does not behoove town, and bullshit in general is scummy now? Are you calling me scum without saying I'm scum? I disagree with your read on Grack and I will not be swayed by arguments made by others until Grack shows me that he is town.
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