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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On March 26 2013 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: On top of him being stupid there is a strange contradiction in his behaviour towards s&b and smurf. Like how I want to lynch SnB for a bad case and not smurf? deal with it. Do you have town reads on both of them? If not, then why arent you asking me what is differerent instead of insinuating that I am scum. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On March 26 2013 23:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Like how I want to lynch SnB for a bad case and not smurf? deal with it. Do you have town reads on both of them? If not, then why arent you asking me what is differerent instead of insinuating that I am scum. You're scum. Now explain the difference. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17991 Posts
On March 26 2013 23:14 marvellosity wrote: If you're lynching Oats based on contradictions, you'll lynch him in every single game you play with him. While this is true, I have not yet seen the town Oats come out to play. His questions feel more timid than usual, and the only post that really gets up in anybody's face is: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18133140 I don't know that scum Oats would poke Palmar like that. Other than that it all feels rather safe, rather than Oats' usual reckless spammy style. | ||
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InsertSmurfHere
288 Posts
Corazon. That dude's filter is a lot of nothing. Many other players have managed to take stances and interact with the thread on at least a basic level, but he's currently completely flying under the radar. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On March 26 2013 23:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Like how I want to lynch SnB for a bad case and not smurf? deal with it. Do you have town reads on both of them? If not, then why arent you asking me what is differerent instead of insinuating that I am scum. No, i have a scum read on Smurf. Leaning town on s&b. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On March 26 2013 14:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Because it was stupid and SnB isnt stupid. Like somethings you can brush away by saying that this dude is dumb, but some you cant. It looked like he wanted to try and mislynch prp and now its gone HORRIBLY WRONG. So he disappears. Insertsmurfhere is not scum I think although dandel is null for me. (YAY RANDOM READS OUTTA NOWHERE) So oats I'm glad you think I'm smart. I'm pretty good at atomic physics, it's true. Seven years ago I also got 36/36 on the ACT and 1600 on the real part of the SAT (fucking writing section). So okay suppose I'm smart. Do you really think that means I can't make a bad case? Or that I can't think a case is good for reasons that other people disagree with? If you really want me to I can point you to past games where I've made cases that everyone else said were bad. I was town in those games. When I'm sum I don't make bad cases, I just don't make cases. Do you really think I was settin up to "try to push a prplhz lynch" singlehandedly, in a game with people who have much more "mafia rep" than I do, and who have much more time to put in than I have? That doesn't sound like a "smart" thing to do. (Pro tip if you look in my filter you can even find out what I was actually doing and why! Treasure hunt!) | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On March 26 2013 23:31 InsertSmurfHere wrote: You know who I really haven't seen anything out of today at all? Corazon. That dude's filter is a lot of nothing. Many other players have managed to take stances and interact with the thread on at least a basic level, but he's currently completely flying under the radar. What distinguishes Corazon to you, as opposed to say prplhz? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On March 26 2013 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, i have a scum read on Smurf. Leaning town on s&b. Ill tell what is different for me in a short bit. But what makes SnB different from smurf for you? | ||
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InsertSmurfHere
288 Posts
On March 26 2013 23:31 InsertSmurfHere wrote: You know who I really haven't seen anything out of today at all? Corazon. That dude's filter is a lot of nothing. Many other players have managed to take stances and interact with the thread on at least a basic level, but he's currently completely flying under the radar. To expand upon this, when Cora is town he at least does something, normally aggressive. Here he's kind of playing third-party to the stuff going on in the thread. The most he's written about it the stupid role PM thing, which is concerning. I would expect him to have honestly attempted some line of suspicion by now. | ||
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InsertSmurfHere
288 Posts
On March 26 2013 23:34 marvellosity wrote: What distinguishes Corazon to you, as opposed to say prplhz? Prplhz I have seen be lurky early as town, but by the end of day 1 I expect to know his alignment. He's good enough as town to put forth effort justifying his suspicions. Cora I have not seen act this lurky early. Perhaps it is too early, but as I said, my expectation is for him to be more involved than even his current posting suggests he is with this game. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On March 26 2013 23:34 strongandbig wrote: So oats I'm glad you think I'm smart. I'm pretty good at atomic physics, it's true. Seven years ago I also got 36/36 on the ACT and 1600 on the real part of the SAT (fucking writing section). So okay suppose I'm smart. Do you really think that means I can't make a bad case? Or that I can't think a case is good for reasons that other people disagree with? If you really want me to I can point you to past games where I've made cases that everyone else said were bad. I was town in those games. When I'm sum I don't make bad cases, I just don't make cases. Do you really think I was settin up to "try to push a prplhz lynch" singlehandedly, in a game with people who have much more "mafia rep" than I do, and who have much more time to put in than I have? That doesn't sound like a "smart" thing to do. (Pro tip if you look in my filter you can even find out what I was actually doing and why! Treasure hunt!) Was your most recent scum game Chrono trigger? Also you metareading yourself kinda nullifies the argument because you would make the same if you were scum or town. I was thinking that you wanted to lynch Prp off nothing yes, and that made you scummy. The games I played with prp, he has done shit all and that makes him kind of a mislynch target, if town. It doesnt feel like scum Prp is all I can say in his defence, it feels like town prp. Trust your feelings. Or mine. That works better probably. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On March 26 2013 21:16 Acrofales wrote: Because he takes some stuff which is not indicative of alignment at all and calls it scummy. + Show Spoiler [keirathi's case post] + On March 26 2013 15:08 Keirathi wrote: Anyways, I'm much more interested in Grack right now. I wasn't particularly awed by Palmar's vote/case and Hapa's input, but his interactions afterward have been much worse IMO. He doesn't call out the bullshit vote. He panics, and questions it to figure out what he did wrong. I don't know any townie who reacts to a random vote on themselves by saying "OH GOD WHAT DID I DO?" Some get mad at the 'bad' play, some ignore it completely, and some vote the person back. But, even more than that: He's looking for a way out. He doesn't volunteer information, he wants to know what information Palmar wants, so that he can give the "right" answer, rather than a "real" answer. And finally: The bolded points feel like more "oh crap, I re-read my posts and realize I made some mistakes. Time for damage control". Like, he was already looking back at his posts to see how they LOOKED. His first reaction was to apologize for how they were perceived. THEN he explains himself better. It betrays his mindset of caring about his appearance. How can you say that this stuff is not alignment indicative? "Caring more about looking townie than actually helping town" is like the *definition* of alignment indicative. I'm seeing a lot I don't like from acro at the moment. Also yeah I've been getting uber shat on but it would be cool if prplhz showed up sometime in the next few hours and posted some stuff. There's quite a lot that he could actually comment on now productively and without unnecessarily cluttering the thread again. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I 180. (so scummy bla bla bla) SnB is a soft town read because after rereading and thinking about it, it seems like he is trying to push prp into posting productively and not spammily, as opposed to actually wanting to lynch him. Therefore my suspicions on him were unwarrented. Insert is soft scum because he seems to act like an authority on DI's meta with his case, but then states that he is not familiar with DI's opening town meta. He also states that On March 26 2013 13:17 InsertSmurfHere wrote: I didn't ignore all of Dandel's town games. which means that he ignored some to make the scum favored argument. Your turn ray. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On March 26 2013 23:34 Oatsmaster wrote: Ill tell what is different for me in a short bit. But what makes SnB different from smurf for you? S&B's case was just wrong. Smurf is leaving out stuff that does not speak in favor of his case. Stufff that he should have pbviously checked. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Also in the end he backs down On March 26 2013 13:17 InsertSmurfHere wrote: I didn't ignore all of Dandel's town games. I specifically remember games like Personality where he makes REASONED posts as town and manages to look town. This game, he has FAILED to do that. Is it that difficult to understand? Perhaps he has yet to do some kind of awesome townie move, as you suggest, but I remain skeptical. I'll concede that the opening point wasn't an overly strong one. Obviously you've managed to prove that he trolls as town. Grand, so I guess we just ignore him until he doesn't troll. and clearly doesnt show a desire to lynch Dandel Ion in the near future. But still remains antagonistic about the whole affair. | ||
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InsertSmurfHere
288 Posts
Like I said, my experience with town Dandel is that he does make decent reads that have some sort of logic behind them. I had seen none of that at that point, so I made known my suspicion of him. The jury is still out on that one, but he looks better for having some reason for attacking Marv than he did before. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Cause that dude is scum. Guaranteed. | ||
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