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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 26 2013 12:34 GMT
#341
On March 26 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Dandel, why do you think marv is scum?

Absence of towntells is the biggest reason.
Well apart from one really minor one, but that's easy to fake and I already know he's at least rudimentarily aware of it, so I can't read much into that one, realistically.

He's also not doing shit.

And on top of that I looked into his soul and it's red. I drew a picture of that result, too. For TRANSPERANCY
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 26 2013 12:36 GMT
#342
On March 26 2013 21:34 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Dandel, why do you think marv is scum?

Absence of towntells is the biggest reason.
Well apart from one really minor one, but that's easy to fake and I already know he's at least rudimentarily aware of it, so I can't read much into that one, realistically.

He's also not doing shit.

And on top of that I looked into his soul and it's red. I drew a picture of that result, too. For TRANSPERANCY


Come on, I used the 'marv doesnt look townie, therefore he is scum' argument in Duel. It wasnt true.

In all seriousness, who are your scumreads?
No gg, No skill.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 26 2013 12:37 GMT
#343
Also, I just noticed I will miss the deadline, so I'll probably just sheep Palmar in the end. Just putting that out there.

Funny thing is that then, what scumsmurf said about me sheeping palmar will be true, only 2 days later. It's still a lie atm.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 26 2013 12:38 GMT
#344
On March 26 2013 21:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 21:34 Dandel Ion wrote:
On March 26 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Dandel, why do you think marv is scum?

Absence of towntells is the biggest reason.
Well apart from one really minor one, but that's easy to fake and I already know he's at least rudimentarily aware of it, so I can't read much into that one, realistically.

He's also not doing shit.

And on top of that I looked into his soul and it's red. I drew a picture of that result, too. For TRANSPERANCY


Come on, I used the 'marv doesnt look townie, therefore he is scum' argument in Duel. It wasnt true.

In all seriousness, who are your scumreads?

I just said that my reads are serious.
I dunno why you think they are not serious.


I'd like to point to Personality, where I identified the dude as town ~halfway into d1 or so, when I replaced in.
So obviously, my towntells actually work.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 26 2013 12:42 GMT
#345
On March 26 2013 21:38 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 21:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 26 2013 21:34 Dandel Ion wrote:
On March 26 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Dandel, why do you think marv is scum?

Absence of towntells is the biggest reason.
Well apart from one really minor one, but that's easy to fake and I already know he's at least rudimentarily aware of it, so I can't read much into that one, realistically.

He's also not doing shit.

And on top of that I looked into his soul and it's red. I drew a picture of that result, too. For TRANSPERANCY


Come on, I used the 'marv doesnt look townie, therefore he is scum' argument in Duel. It wasnt true.

In all seriousness, who are your scumreads?

I just said that my reads are serious.
I dunno why you think they are not serious.


I'd like to point to Personality, where I identified the dude as town ~halfway into d1 or so, when I replaced in.
So obviously, my towntells actually work.

Thats not the point.
The point is that absence of town tells doesnt mean the existence of scum.
Which is proven by Duel.

I think they arent serious cause
1. You are dandel Ion
2. Marv isnt getting lynched day 1
3. You have to have more than 1 read right?
No gg, No skill.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 26 2013 12:42 GMT
#346
On March 26 2013 21:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 21:34 Dandel Ion wrote:
On March 26 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Dandel, why do you think marv is scum?

Absence of towntells is the biggest reason.
Well apart from one really minor one, but that's easy to fake and I already know he's at least rudimentarily aware of it, so I can't read much into that one, realistically.

He's also not doing shit.

And on top of that I looked into his soul and it's red. I drew a picture of that result, too. For TRANSPERANCY


Come on, I used the 'marv doesnt look townie, therefore he is scum' argument in Duel. It wasnt true.

In all seriousness, who are your scumreads?

It was also completely wrong there, because Marv looked townie in Duel. But I still advocate prudence. Getting into a tunnelfest with Marv is not going to help town. A better argument is that he didn't look townie in MTG 2 and DI and I tunneled him into oblivion, when he was actually town.

DI, why are you convinced he's scum THIS game?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2013 12:43 GMT
#347
I have one problem with marv. He pressure voted me early on in the game. When i asked his what's up with the ninja vote, he posted this:
On March 26 2013 08:11 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's with the ninja vote marv?


Just curious how you'd react given you totally overreacted to prplhz. I can join Hapa on his policy lynch though, so you're in luck ^^

##Unvote
##Vote: ObviousOne

If he really thought i overreacted to prplhz why wouldn't he pressure me more? Was the "what's up with the ninja vote" somekinda secret townie answer i gave?

If i was marv and i thought someone overreacted to something and i was already pressuring him, i would definitely keep the pressure on to try to find more clues about their alignment. Here he just completely drops the issue and changes his vote to a policy target (which i do not see serving any purpose in finding mafia).
table for two on a tv tray
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 26 2013 12:44 GMT
#348
On March 26 2013 21:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 21:38 Dandel Ion wrote:
On March 26 2013 21:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 26 2013 21:34 Dandel Ion wrote:
On March 26 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Dandel, why do you think marv is scum?

Absence of towntells is the biggest reason.
Well apart from one really minor one, but that's easy to fake and I already know he's at least rudimentarily aware of it, so I can't read much into that one, realistically.

He's also not doing shit.

And on top of that I looked into his soul and it's red. I drew a picture of that result, too. For TRANSPERANCY


Come on, I used the 'marv doesnt look townie, therefore he is scum' argument in Duel. It wasnt true.

In all seriousness, who are your scumreads?

I just said that my reads are serious.
I dunno why you think they are not serious.


I'd like to point to Personality, where I identified the dude as town ~halfway into d1 or so, when I replaced in.
So obviously, my towntells actually work.

Thats not the point.
The point is that absence of town tells doesnt mean the existence of scum.
Which is proven by Duel.

I think they arent serious cause
1. You are dandel Ion
2. Marv isnt getting lynched day 1
3. You have to have more than 1 read right?

It is clearly a futile exercise to even try and explain anything to you.
So I'll stop trying to.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 26 2013 12:46 GMT
#349
On March 26 2013 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have one problem with marv. He pressure voted me early on in the game. When i asked his what's up with the ninja vote, he posted this:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 08:11 marvellosity wrote:
On March 26 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's with the ninja vote marv?


Just curious how you'd react given you totally overreacted to prplhz. I can join Hapa on his policy lynch though, so you're in luck ^^

##Unvote
##Vote: ObviousOne

If he really thought i overreacted to prplhz why wouldn't he pressure me more? Was the "what's up with the ninja vote" somekinda secret townie answer i gave?

If i was marv and i thought someone overreacted to something and i was already pressuring him, i would definitely keep the pressure on to try to find more clues about their alignment. Here he just completely drops the issue and changes his vote to a policy target (which i do not see serving any purpose in finding mafia).


But you arent marv.

Is your point is meta read? Or just based on what you would think you would do?

Also policy lynches are useful in the fact that OO is more likely to start playing as both alignments instead of being useless.
No gg, No skill.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 26 2013 12:46 GMT
#350
On March 26 2013 21:42 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 21:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 26 2013 21:34 Dandel Ion wrote:
On March 26 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Dandel, why do you think marv is scum?

Absence of towntells is the biggest reason.
Well apart from one really minor one, but that's easy to fake and I already know he's at least rudimentarily aware of it, so I can't read much into that one, realistically.

He's also not doing shit.

And on top of that I looked into his soul and it's red. I drew a picture of that result, too. For TRANSPERANCY


Come on, I used the 'marv doesnt look townie, therefore he is scum' argument in Duel. It wasnt true.

In all seriousness, who are your scumreads?

It was also completely wrong there, because Marv looked townie in Duel. But I still advocate prudence. Getting into a tunnelfest with Marv is not going to help town. A better argument is that he didn't look townie in MTG 2 and DI and I tunneled him into oblivion, when he was actually town.

DI, why are you convinced he's scum THIS game?

I have my reasons.

I know I'm not a cool enough kid to get him lynched d1, so I'm not going to talk much about marv anymore.
I may have to deal with him like I did in Themed, when it comes to it.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2013 12:46 GMT
#351
2. Marv isnt getting lynched day 1

Of course he is if we find out he is mafia. And even if this was true that's not a reason to give him a free pass to do anything he wants without questioning him until D2.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2013 12:48 GMT
#352
On March 26 2013 21:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have one problem with marv. He pressure voted me early on in the game. When i asked his what's up with the ninja vote, he posted this:
On March 26 2013 08:11 marvellosity wrote:
On March 26 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's with the ninja vote marv?


Just curious how you'd react given you totally overreacted to prplhz. I can join Hapa on his policy lynch though, so you're in luck ^^

##Unvote
##Vote: ObviousOne

If he really thought i overreacted to prplhz why wouldn't he pressure me more? Was the "what's up with the ninja vote" somekinda secret townie answer i gave?

If i was marv and i thought someone overreacted to something and i was already pressuring him, i would definitely keep the pressure on to try to find more clues about their alignment. Here he just completely drops the issue and changes his vote to a policy target (which i do not see serving any purpose in finding mafia).


But you arent marv.

Is your point is meta read? Or just based on what you would think you would do?

Also policy lynches are useful in the fact that OO is more likely to start playing as both alignments instead of being useless.

No, my point is not a meta read. My point is i don't find how it makes sense from town PoV to do what marv did.
How is it useful to drop a vote on someone who will start contributing either way as the game goes on?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2013 12:48 GMT
#353
EBWOP: find = understand
table for two on a tv tray
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 26 2013 12:49 GMT
#354
On March 26 2013 21:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
2. Marv isnt getting lynched day 1

Of course he is if we find out he is mafia. And even if this was true that's not a reason to give him a free pass to do anything he wants without questioning him until D2.


I dont know where you have been for the past few months
Marv does not get lynched day 1.

So what do you propose marv do?
Start playing? We will see when he gets in here I guess.

No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2013 12:55 GMT
#355
Yes i propose marv starts playing and exlaining his actions.

I can't understand why people think it's not okay to question certain players because they apparently are some fucking mafia gods who can't be lynched on D1, but it's totally okay to drop "policy votes" on players you find to be less competant. Everyone has a same chance of being mafia based on odds itself and noone is above being questioned or being called out on D1. Simple.
table for two on a tv tray
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 26 2013 12:55 GMT
#356
On March 26 2013 21:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 21:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 26 2013 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have one problem with marv. He pressure voted me early on in the game. When i asked his what's up with the ninja vote, he posted this:
On March 26 2013 08:11 marvellosity wrote:
On March 26 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's with the ninja vote marv?


Just curious how you'd react given you totally overreacted to prplhz. I can join Hapa on his policy lynch though, so you're in luck ^^

##Unvote
##Vote: ObviousOne

If he really thought i overreacted to prplhz why wouldn't he pressure me more? Was the "what's up with the ninja vote" somekinda secret townie answer i gave?

If i was marv and i thought someone overreacted to something and i was already pressuring him, i would definitely keep the pressure on to try to find more clues about their alignment. Here he just completely drops the issue and changes his vote to a policy target (which i do not see serving any purpose in finding mafia).


But you arent marv.

Is your point is meta read? Or just based on what you would think you would do?

Also policy lynches are useful in the fact that OO is more likely to start playing as both alignments instead of being useless.

No, my point is not a meta read. My point is i don't find how it makes sense from town PoV to do what marv did.
How is it useful to drop a vote on someone who will start contributing either way as the game goes on?

Isnt that what you are doing with marv? Other than the fact that your vote isnt on him which is a moot point.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 26 2013 12:58 GMT
#357
On March 26 2013 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes i propose marv starts playing and exlaining his actions.

I can't understand why people think it's not okay to question certain players because they apparently are some fucking mafia gods who can't be lynched on D1, but it's totally okay to drop "policy votes" on players you find to be less competant. Everyone has a same chance of being mafia based on odds itself and noone is above being questioned or being called out on D1. Simple.

Mainly cause these 'mafia gods' as you called it, dont do shit that leads to them being policy voted?
And when they do, they get policy voted, dont worry.

Most of the time, its because its not that difficult to figure out their alignment when they start to post more.

With random dudes, its harder because you arent as familiar with their playstyles.
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2013 13:02 GMT
#358
On March 26 2013 21:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 21:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 26 2013 21:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 26 2013 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have one problem with marv. He pressure voted me early on in the game. When i asked his what's up with the ninja vote, he posted this:
On March 26 2013 08:11 marvellosity wrote:
On March 26 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's with the ninja vote marv?


Just curious how you'd react given you totally overreacted to prplhz. I can join Hapa on his policy lynch though, so you're in luck ^^

##Unvote
##Vote: ObviousOne

If he really thought i overreacted to prplhz why wouldn't he pressure me more? Was the "what's up with the ninja vote" somekinda secret townie answer i gave?

If i was marv and i thought someone overreacted to something and i was already pressuring him, i would definitely keep the pressure on to try to find more clues about their alignment. Here he just completely drops the issue and changes his vote to a policy target (which i do not see serving any purpose in finding mafia).


But you arent marv.

Is your point is meta read? Or just based on what you would think you would do?

Also policy lynches are useful in the fact that OO is more likely to start playing as both alignments instead of being useless.

No, my point is not a meta read. My point is i don't find how it makes sense from town PoV to do what marv did.
How is it useful to drop a vote on someone who will start contributing either way as the game goes on?

Isnt that what you are doing with marv? Other than the fact that your vote isnt on him which is a moot point.

I want him to explain himself. My vote is on OO at the moment because i think he is scum, more than marv. It's pretty simple. It's just that i am not going to ignore everyone else just because i'm voting for someone.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 26 2013 13:05 GMT
#359
On March 26 2013 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes i propose marv starts playing and exlaining his actions.

I can't understand why people think it's not okay to question certain players because they apparently are some fucking mafia gods who can't be lynched on D1, but it's totally okay to drop "policy votes" on players you find to be less competant. Everyone has a same chance of being mafia based on odds itself and noone is above being questioned or being called out on D1. Simple.

Mainly cause these 'mafia gods' as you called it, dont do shit that leads to them being policy voted?
And when they do, they get policy voted, dont worry.

Most of the time, its because its not that difficult to figure out their alignment when they start to post more.

With random dudes, its harder because you arent as familiar with their playstyles.

It's just that from what i have understood marv is a really good player as scum as well. It becomes even easier for him to lead the town to destruction (if he is mafia) if he gets to do stuff he wants to and doesn't have to worry about people's concerns about him.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
March 26 2013 13:12 GMT
#360
On March 26 2013 22:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 26 2013 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes i propose marv starts playing and exlaining his actions.

I can't understand why people think it's not okay to question certain players because they apparently are some fucking mafia gods who can't be lynched on D1, but it's totally okay to drop "policy votes" on players you find to be less competant. Everyone has a same chance of being mafia based on odds itself and noone is above being questioned or being called out on D1. Simple.

Mainly cause these 'mafia gods' as you called it, dont do shit that leads to them being policy voted?
And when they do, they get policy voted, dont worry.

Most of the time, its because its not that difficult to figure out their alignment when they start to post more.

With random dudes, its harder because you arent as familiar with their playstyles.

It's just that from what i have understood marv is a really good player as scum as well. It becomes even easier for him to lead the town to destruction (if he is mafia) if he gets to do stuff he wants to and doesn't have to worry about people's concerns about him.


Actually if I'm quiet it makes it much harder to push my agenda, if I'm mafia.

Anyways I'm going to leave OO alone for now. He already provided more opinions (although not very categorical) than he managed in the entirety of the first cycle in Hydra, when he was easily caught.

##Unvote
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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