RED Team's Prize - Page 18

On March 26 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Dandel, why do you think marv is scum?

On March 26 2013 21:34 Dandel Ion wrote:

Absence of towntells is the biggest reason.
Well apart from one really minor one, but that's easy to fake and I already know he's at least rudimentarily aware of it, so I can't read much into that one, realistically.

He's also not doing shit.

And on top of that I looked into his soul and it's red. I drew a picture of that result, too. For TRANSPERANCY

On March 26 2013 21:36 Oatsmaster wrote:


Come on, I used the 'marv doesnt look townie, therefore he is scum' argument in Duel. It wasnt true.

In all seriousness, who are your scumreads?

On March 26 2013 21:38 Dandel Ion wrote:

I just said that my reads are serious.
I dunno why you think they are not serious.


I'd like to point to Personality, where I identified the dude as town ~halfway into d1 or so, when I replaced in.
So obviously, my towntells actually work.

On March 26 2013 21:36 Oatsmaster wrote:


Come on, I used the 'marv doesnt look townie, therefore he is scum' argument in Duel. It wasnt true.

In all seriousness, who are your scumreads?

On March 26 2013 08:11 marvellosity wrote:


Just curious how you'd react given you totally overreacted to prplhz. I can join Hapa on his policy lynch though, so you're in luck ^^

##Unvote
##Vote: ObviousOne

On March 26 2013 21:42 Oatsmaster wrote:

Thats not the point.
The point is that absence of town tells doesnt mean the existence of scum.
Which is proven by Duel.

I think they arent serious cause
1. You are dandel Ion
2. Marv isnt getting lynched day 1
3. You have to have more than 1 read right?

On March 26 2013 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have one problem with marv. He pressure voted me early on in the game. When i asked his what's up with the ninja vote, he posted this:

If he really thought i overreacted to prplhz why wouldn't he pressure me more? Was the "what's up with the ninja vote" somekinda secret townie answer i gave?

If i was marv and i thought someone overreacted to something and i was already pressuring him, i would definitely keep the pressure on to try to find more clues about their alignment. Here he just completely drops the issue and changes his vote to a policy target (which i do not see serving any purpose in finding mafia).

On March 26 2013 21:42 Acrofales wrote:

It was also completely wrong there, because Marv looked townie in Duel. But I still advocate prudence. Getting into a tunnelfest with Marv is not going to help town. A better argument is that he didn't look townie in MTG 2 and DI and I tunneled him into oblivion, when he was actually town.

DI, why are you convinced he's scum THIS game?

2. Marv isnt getting lynched day 1

On March 26 2013 21:46 Oatsmaster wrote:


But you arent marv.

Is your point is meta read? Or just based on what you would think you would do?

Also policy lynches are useful in the fact that OO is more likely to start playing as both alignments instead of being useless.

On March 26 2013 21:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Of course he is if we find out he is mafia. And even if this was true that's not a reason to give him a free pass to do anything he wants without questioning him until D2.

On March 26 2013 21:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No, my point is not a meta read. My point is i don't find how it makes sense from town PoV to do what marv did.
How is it useful to drop a vote on someone who will start contributing either way as the game goes on?

On March 26 2013 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes i propose marv starts playing and exlaining his actions.

I can't understand why people think it's not okay to question certain players because they apparently are some fucking mafia gods who can't be lynched on D1, but it's totally okay to drop "policy votes" on players you find to be less competant. Everyone has a same chance of being mafia based on odds itself and noone is above being questioned or being called out on D1. Simple.

On March 26 2013 21:55 Oatsmaster wrote:

Isnt that what you are doing with marv? Other than the fact that your vote isnt on him which is a moot point.

On March 26 2013 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote:

Mainly cause these 'mafia gods' as you called it, dont do shit that leads to them being policy voted?
And when they do, they get policy voted, dont worry.

Most of the time, its because its not that difficult to figure out their alignment when they start to post more.

With random dudes, its harder because you arent as familiar with their playstyles.

On March 26 2013 22:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:

It's just that from what i have understood marv is a really good player as scum as well. It becomes even easier for him to lead the town to destruction (if he is mafia) if he gets to do stuff he wants to and doesn't have to worry about people's concerns about him.