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ObliviousEyes
United States57 Posts
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ObliviousEyes
United States57 Posts
"hydras" should be "golems" -VE | ||
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Moology
Italy144 Posts
On March 14 2013 08:44 ObliviousEyes wrote: I find it interesting that you're speculating about a strategy that allows the hydras to "prevent them from being held accountable", when you JUST made a comment about not wanting to vote without the permission of your absent hydra head. What harm is there in placing a vote now? If you discuss it and he disagrees and convinces you, can you not change your vote? I think we talking about two completely different things. A vote is an intention to lynch. Every decision I make has a ramification for my 'other half'. It is out of respect that I wait for his feedback. Instead of hiding behind that 'respect" I am giving Omni a deadline. *THAT* is being accountable and transparent. Yes we can change the vote; but, I don't want to treat votes as wishy-washy pressure. The last thing I need when pressuring someone is a mum who punishes, and dad who gives $ for ice-cream. Congruence in *message* is key to successful communication between the two heads. With CastingGolems they are trying contribute with cool flavour and then when it comes to providing substance, they either: re-paste multiple quotes, or palm off the analysis to someone else (as evident in the post I highlighted). They are actively trying to avoid accountability. | ||
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ObliviousEyes
United States57 Posts
On March 13 2013 13:56 ObliviousEyes wrote: Whoa there tiger. I never said marv vote was stupid. That's a either a misunderstanding or a LIE. I said that NewbieXXXIObsQT's comment on marv's read like stirring up shit. Something I was hoping someone would comment on...but no one did. NewbieXXXIObsQT - please explain what you mean by "lynching bullshit instead of lynching scum". I never thought marv's vote was bad. Ever. In fact, I kinda liked it because it immediately demanded response due to the emotional nature of it, while still being a valid criticism of your play so early on. | ||
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ObliviousEyes
United States57 Posts
-VE (guys do I have to keep doing this?) | ||
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DrParnassus
Afghanistan565 Posts
On March 14 2013 07:06 Dirk Hardpec wrote: You seem to be pretty adamant about getting upset this game marv. Right from the first post you made, you set yourself up to be angry at something. You've been trying to get into confrontations with just about everyone. Are you pretending to be annoyed at something in the game or is this genuine? Is your vote against us/Bugs an honest one? Do you think the way he posted makes us likely to be scum? What is your motivation with this? /syllo On March 14 2013 07:08 Dirk Hardpec wrote: sup neebs. I haven't checked my role PM nor do I plan on it. Fuck talking to wbg, he's just a liability. /Palmar is this two different people? is syllo actually in this game? what is going on? | ||
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ObliviousEyes
United States57 Posts
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DrParnassus
Afghanistan565 Posts
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Moology
Italy144 Posts
On March 14 2013 09:09 ObliviousEyes wrote: OK, re-reading your original post I admit I misinterpreted your intention, which led to a misrepresentation.That's....fine. I can get behind that. I would like you to respond to my previous point though. I never thought marv's vote was bad. Ever. In fact, I kinda liked it because it immediately demanded response due to the emotional nature of it, while still being a valid criticism of your play so early on. Truth be told, the situation at the time was getting fairly aggressive and emotional. Having said that; I dont see why Marv original vote is merit-able. Saying "first" is standard antics on TL. So whilst the response *may* have demanded response... it certainly was not a valid criticism. And this lines up with what I raised prior: I am noticing the way he is handling criticism of everyone else in the thread is to throw out "spiteful" and harsh remarks. The town Marv I know does call it how he sees it; but the tone is completely different. There is no joviality in his play this game. Unless of course you want to raise, when I called out his aggressiveness before goign to bed last night; him responding he has a beautiful (note: not large) penis.. that about it for joviality. Is it just me reading into this? | ||
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ObliviousEyes
United States57 Posts
The question becomes "would townMarv jump on something small early on to kick off discussion" vs "would scumMarv draw attention to himself by jumping on something so small early on". For me the answer is yes to both questions. It seems the answer is no to the first and yes to the second for you based on your post, does your read of him change if he was referring to the role PM post rather than the "first" post? | ||
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Moology
Italy144 Posts
On March 14 2013 09:35 ObliviousEyes wrote: Well the thing is I think he was reacting more to the RolePM line than the "first" comment. Claiming not to read your role PM, whether honest or a joke, is bullshit (Hi Palmar). The question becomes "would townMarv jump on something small early on to kick off discussion" vs "would scumMarv draw attention to himself by jumping on something so small early on". For me the answer is yes to both questions. It seems the answer is no to the first and yes to the second for you based on your post, does your read of him change if he was referring to the role PM post rather than the "first" post? No my read doesnt change, because, again its 'sorta' common for people to say "I havent read role PM" - especially when making "first" posts. If a town FT really thought the Role PM comment was anti-town in nature, I think marv would have handled the situation differently. I dont see how a "quick vote: with reasoning = wont tolerate bullshit" kicked off any meaningful/non-emotional discussion. Rather, what eventuated was a war of words between Throats/OmniSta that was filled with emotion and aggression. Now, if that behaviour was a once-off; *MAYBE* i would say, marv felt pressured to go back to personality and made a post in haste. However, the behaviour is a reoccuring theme throughout the past 24hrs. @Everyone Agree/Disagree? | ||
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DrParnassus
Afghanistan565 Posts
Palmar has claimed to not have read his role pm. (assume you believe he's telling the truth) Should he read his role pm? | ||
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Moology
Italy144 Posts
On March 14 2013 09:53 DrParnassus wrote: mocsta, answer me this: Palmar has claimed to not have read his role pm. (assume you believe he's telling the truth) Should he read his role pm? Well I think he should (if he hasnt) We are also approaching the game different; not reading the role PM isnt an excuse to troll the thread Not sure if its lynchable based on the "event". It would be lynchable if followed up with zero scum hunting. (moc) | ||
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DrParnassus
Afghanistan565 Posts
On March 14 2013 09:56 Moology wrote: Well I think he should (if he hasnt) We are also approaching the game different; not reading the role PM isnt an excuse to troll the thread Not sure if its lynchable based on the "event". It would be lynchable if followed up with zero scum hunting. (moc) the difference in approach doesn't matter. if someone claims that they haven't read their role pm, you have only 2 options: 1. don't believe them 2. believe them, and don't take anything they say as alignment indicative If player X doesn't know his alignment then it will be impossible for you to determine player x's alignment. (outside of eventual process of elimination) Everything that person says is said from a townie perspective, because even if they are scum, they don't know alignments. Therefore, not reading your role pm is deliberately anti-town because it makes you unreadable. Marv's vote was justified, insofar as it pressures you to read your role pm. btw nearly everything in the last few hours has been thrawn. once oats comes back i'll start signing posts | ||
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Moology
Italy144 Posts
On March 14 2013 10:03 DrParnassus wrote: the difference in approach doesn't matter. if someone claims that they haven't read their role pm, you have only 2 options: 1. don't believe them 2. believe them, and don't take anything they say as alignment indicative If player X doesn't know his alignment then it will be impossible for you to determine player x's alignment. (outside of eventual process of elimination) Everything that person says is said from a townie perspective, because even if they are scum, they don't know alignments. Therefore, not reading your role pm is deliberately anti-town because it makes you unreadable. Marv's vote was justified, insofar as it pressures you to read your role pm. btw nearly everything in the last few hours has been thrawn. once oats comes back i'll start signing posts Agree with those points in full. But what stops someone from not-reading the PM; and also not saying they havn't read the PM? If someone wants to "gamble" scum that seriously by "faking town due to no PM check' surely, they wouldnt advertise the matter. There is also precedent of super-vets not checking role PM for first cycle (Palmar/Ver, maybe others) - not that I am associating myself in this category at all. ======== Since your online, can you please share your thoughts on what I commented with FiveTouch? (moc) | ||
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DrParnassus
Afghanistan565 Posts
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Moology
Italy144 Posts
On March 14 2013 04:55 DrParnassus wrote: IN general scum will avoid the spotlight if possible, and this is even more true in games where people yell and scream at each other. I know this from first hand experience, lol. Wittyname fits that bill. Not sure how much that applies here. When the first yelling & screaming was happening; no one else was online (apparently). Also: Guys like Marv/Bugs cant afford to drop activity if scum. So they need some spotlight shed on them regardless of alignment. The guys I am aware who avoid the spotlight as scum = Snarfs, Oats, I assume jcarlsoniv. | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
183 Posts
On March 14 2013 10:31 Moology wrote: yeah however, I thought we were targeting different things - maybe not?. Regardless I only played with a town marv (and its not matching up well so far) Not sure how much that applies here. When the first yelling & screaming was happening; no one else was online (apparently). Also: Guys like Marv/Bugs cant afford to drop activity if scum. So they need some spotlight shed on them regardless of alignment. The guys I am aware who avoid the spotlight as scum = Snarfs, Oats, I assume jcarlsoniv. i do as well yours truly, iamperfection | ||
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Moology
Italy144 Posts
Love the spotlight as scum? (moc) | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
183 Posts
On March 14 2013 10:37 Moology wrote: Do what? Love the spotlight as scum? (moc) no not like the spotlight. Yours truly, iamperfection | ||
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