British Empire Mini Mafia II

On March 05 2013 07:23 jaybrundage wrote:

We need one more.

On March 05 2013 23:33 Vivax wrote:
You express interest in asking Hapa a question and think his buddying was suspicious but aren't motivated to give your opinion on him? That's strange...

I don't think Hapa is scum based on what you said about him.

On March 05 2013 23:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I did after my accusation of hapa. The PM was painfully short and without pretty colours. It was dissapointing.

On March 06 2013 02:11 thrawn2112 wrote:
prom

-not reading the thread (less than 10 pages wtf)
-taking things that happened early game super seriously
-not being my friend

oh this is interesting



so i guess he was reading the thread and knew about me not reading my role pm at the start.... yet he is trying to judge my alignment....

-not reading the thread (less than 10 pages wtf)
-wtf could he have possibly been talking about in regards to the questions about thrawn
-taking things that happened early game super seriously
-the above point, while trying to act all silly himself... it reminds me of hapa's seal posts
-not being my friend

scum

On March 06 2013 02:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I rolled scum in that game where VE and Toad had the epic bus against eachother and I think Foolishness accidentally posted the roles so the game had to end. Forgot the game name.

On March 06 2013 01:27 Hapahauli wrote:
As for scumreads, the closest thing I have to a scumread is Prome right now, because his entrance to the thread was really underwhelming. He has four posts with no information of consequence, and a lot of those posts piggy-back off of observations already made in the thread.



1) Shows that he's not reading the thread carefully. If he did, he'd know that Thrawn admitted to not reading his role PM.
2) Again not reading the thread. CC/Dandel explained their reasoning pretty clearly for this.
3) This is just the point that Artanis made.

Overall Prome's play so far feels like my own scum-play. Walk in, ask a bunch of questions to look like you're active/spammy/contributing, then waltz out.

Prome seems to indicate here that he didn't read his role-PM, but I think it's a lie, since I've never seen him do something similar before, and he says so in the most indirect way possible.

On March 06 2013 02:31 Hapahauli wrote:
That is a hilariously stupid vote Prome

Who else thinks that I could possibly be scum? Curious.

On March 06 2013 02:44 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Thrawn

Patience patience. Prome has a history of believing I'm scum when I'm town, and believing I'm town when I'm scum.

Also, I hold my vote in fairly high regard in instant-lynch games. When I vote someone, I generally want them dead.

@ Prome


1) Not really. I called him town before he admitted so, and then I expressed my infinite sadness. You should be able to piece together the puzzle from that.
2) Yep.
3) Touche. Misread that for "marv policy lynch" for some reason. HOWEVER, how on god's green earth is Jay's clearly not-srs policy lynch pre-game proposal on Vivax at all relevant to the game or Jay's allignment? Hell he even retracted it in favor of a marv one :3

On March 06 2013 02:58 Hapahauli wrote:


So we agree on everything (except for Thrawn, but that's minor).

So what the fuck's the problem then?

On March 06 2013 03:08 Hapahauli wrote:
It's funny. No matter how obv-town I am in the thread, there will always be one guy that goes after me for something arbitrary based on the first 2-3 hours of my play.

Like it happens every time without fail. And I have no idea why =/

On March 06 2013 04:18 Hapahauli wrote:


Not true. Have you read LVIII? He played a terrifyingly good scum-game.

On March 06 2013 04:21 Hapahauli wrote:


Oh I missed that sweet. And stop with the "why are you not reading" shit. It's pretty clear that I'm more involved in the thread than anyone else here (except for maybe Artanis).

On March 06 2013 04:34 thrawn2112 wrote:


i mostly agree with this

On March 06 2013 04:40 thrawn2112 wrote:


i agree with all the reads. mostly.

and did that post really make you think I'm scum? i am not buying it

On March 06 2013 05:37 Dandel Ion wrote:

I like it generally, but it's not characteristic of you.

You don't normally board the loveboat.

It's so weird seeing you on it.

On March 06 2013 05:42 Dandel Ion wrote:

In Themed, he was a monster frothing from his mouth just from me mentioning he might be scum as a passing comment (he replaced a super-lurker there)

Will check out other games for reference, I guess.

On March 06 2013 05:47 Dandel Ion wrote:

I was agreeing with you, genius.

DO YOU EVEN LIFT READ?

On March 06 2013 05:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also in case Vivax flips green, since we can't talk at night anymore and I might get killed, I'd want Promethelax looked at next in case I get shot.

On March 06 2013 05:49 Vivax wrote:


lol.

Bolded the lies.

On March 06 2013 05:50 Dandel Ion wrote:

Why don't you want to be looked at?

I smell fear.

On March 06 2013 04:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Nothing at first glance, but when we have people like jaybrundage who haven't said anything worthwhile yet there's still plenty of time. I like Hapa and I'm currently not interested in lynching you with your activity level right now. Helvetica is off limits for obvious reasons though I'd like him to chime in as well. Being near-confirmed town doesn't mean you get to sit on your ass and contribute nothing. I'm leaning town on Dandel Ion, and I'm null on thrawn, cheesecake.

On March 06 2013 06:26 jaybrundage wrote:

Use @xxxx plz makes life much easier. Also no need to talk down to anybody. I would prefer a town atmosphere free of assholes.

On March 06 2013 06:46 Promethelax wrote:
yes it is, look at LIX for an example of his insane but town play vs fruity or lviii for his calm demeanor scum play. I'd say Vivax is one of the best scum players I've seen develop recently.

His recent town play in NMM IV was pretty decent and not totally nuts but I still find his meta deeply indicative of a sum vivax.

On March 06 2013 06:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I don't know how stupid Hapahauli is.

Strangely after reading your argument with Artanis, I'm leaning scum on both of you. Artanis is SO noncommital though that I'm ready to vote for him.

##Unvote
##Vote: Artanis[xp]

This post is insane bad:


1. Promethelax is playing WAY different from LX where he was scum. The activity is there but it's also very different. He appears to actually care what other people think and is trying to come to some sort of understanding and evolve his reads. I don't feel he's hiding behind anything right now.

2. Artanis' post here is basically empty. Nothing weird about that necessarily but the fact that he is one of the centerpieces of town discussion so far and has had essentially nothing to say except "don't lynch me" is unforgivable. He's avoiding saying anything about everyone involved in the game and wants to call out the one person who has basically said nothing and is impossible to analyze. Avoiding the work? He's not even pushing jay that hard in this post, I don't know what Artanis' goal is and this comes off as posting for the sake of posting.

His actual push for Vivax was weak as shit. "Hey your meta is different, ##Vote" and then does pretty much nothing to convince anyone else. What I want to see from you - Artanis - is a better job pushing your read.

I'll do some more careful reading later. I'm also gonna be playing the new ME3 DLC. Vivax is playing pretty level headed which is unusual for him right? Is that a serious cause for concern?

On March 06 2013 06:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Scum will know if it's setup A or not and it would be safe to claim there, js

On March 06 2013 05:31 Vivax wrote:
Artanis you only had eyes and posts for me this game who else would you see as scum. You mentioned jay somewhat for not contributing and you're unwilling to go for Prom since he's posting more.


Would you have a problem if we lynch Prom today?



There's this question pending. I didn't say you're town I said you did something that put you below jay: You asked Artanis if he had another scumread besides me but then refused to comment on what's going on between us so far despite you asking both of us questions. That does make you scummy cause appearing interested on the surface but disinterested in the substance.

Artanis we lynch Prom today do you disagree?

##Unvote
##Vote Promethelax

On March 06 2013 07:08 Vivax wrote:
Prom why do you defend someone who has not been contributing anything substantial this day.

Are you not interested into getting tells about his alignment? Need I say that is scummy?

On March 06 2013 07:37 Hapahauli wrote:
Firstly, we're not lynching anyone yet. We're barely 24 hours in, and people are talking like they're 100% sure they know who they want to hang. That's fucking stupid.

@ Vivax

Why are you playing follow-the-leader with DrH?

On March 06 2013 07:45 Hapahauli wrote:


And Promethelax, what the fuck is this? The lack of concern for someone lynching one of your town-reads is unlike anything I've seen from you as town.

On March 06 2013 08:00 Vivax wrote:


You have provoked me countless times saying I'm a numbnut and something else I currently don't remember but I think you were just provoking me to get me mad and to let me shit up the thread by starting a flamewar with you. I'm not biting and think it was a strategy, not something genuine. After all I can't recall hearing a negative opinion from you about me outside of this game aside from LIX where it was justified.

On March 06 2013 08:12 Dandel Ion wrote:

Cause he scum

On March 06 2013 09:01 Hapahauli wrote:
While I go grab dinner, can both of you (Prome and Vivax) try to talk out whatever it is you disagree with?

Also @ Prome

You went from "Hapa is scum" to agreeing with everything I've been saying over the course of 5 hours... what happened :3

On March 06 2013 08:36 Vivax wrote:
I kinda respect your opinion you gave me on Prom and Artanis.

The main points keeping me set on lynching Prom were that he lied about what I did without replying back to my counter arguments or adapting his read on me, I already mentioned this.

I found Artanis scummy cause he seemed to have the intention to attack you for giving townreads to so many players which I saw as towntell instead. He also called that process "buddying" and not giving townreads so it looked like he was trying to distort things.

Both Prom and Artanis used the buddying argument which is an argument that you can only use to call people scum of whom you think they are buddying townies, cause I don't think that you would fear scum buddying scum, that doesn't make much sense. So it kinda showed me that Artanis had extra information about the people you supposedly buddied and was afraid of townies trusting each other so quickly.

Prom used the buddying argument too but it actually was consistent given his townread on Dandel.

It's hard for me to let go of my Artanis scumread given this reasoning, I'd rather believe Prom to be scum cause he so openly lies about me and ignores the replies. But the more the game goes on the more I notice he's being quite active and confrontational and asking question so I'm slowly moving towards the town end of things with him. I still want him to correct what he said about me "buddying" artanis and saying I didn't push my reads cause that's simply not true.

Dandel would be more of a policy lynch. His trolly, unreadable play didn't help anyone so I want him to play more pro-town and make himself more transparent. Now that people are asking him about me the process has seemingly started so I feel free to cut him out from my lynch choices.

Currently:

Artanis>Jay>Prom

On March 06 2013 09:39 Hapahauli wrote:
Prome - he does have a point. He's been very vocal about lynching Artanis all game. What are the other reasons you think Vivax is scum?

On March 06 2013 12:43 Hapahauli wrote:


His "shift" has been far too extreme and has sounded too genuine to make me think it is fake.



Meh. I don't like this very much.

I think Vivax has expressed much support in killing you, but hasn't communicated his intent all that clearly.

On March 07 2013 08:32 Hapahauli wrote:
Ok you're town Prome.

Anyway, couple of things:
1) Yay for scum lynch! However, rushing lynches like that is still terribad. Don't do it. We could have gotten so much more information about scum #2 from day 1 and we rushed to hammer instead.
2) I don't think the votes matter very much given how bad Jay looked throughout the day.

People I want to hear from today:
Vivax - still feels like an aggressive townie, but that was an in-the-moment read rather than an objective look at his filter.
Artanis - didn't do very much.
Mr.CC - ditto.

On March 07 2013 08:39 thrawn2112 wrote:


eh I don't think you're scum, although when I read that you called yourself "confirmed town" my heart skipped a beat

hammered jay because I was extremely sure about him being scum, and was tired of being in the thread with nobody to talk to

On March 07 2013 08:47 Hapahauli wrote:
Prome, why do you think CC is so townie? Or Artanis? They've done jack shit so far.

On March 07 2013 08:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh I should probably read through Jay's filter =/

On March 07 2013 08:57 Hapahauli wrote:
But Jay's filter actually suggests that Vivax isn't scum for the record. He's too happy to pile on him, which doesn't make much sense in a 2 person scumteam.

On March 07 2013 09:15 thrawn2112 wrote:
eh nvm, i still can't get over this:



##unvote

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On March 06 2013 16:45 Vivax wrote:
Jay is my lynch you nubcakes I take credit for it and no one else here. His reaction is scummy he fights back lynches as town I know the disheartened feeling you get as scum when people find suspicious that's what I see on him.
Let's see who has the balls to hammer him.

Also, Prom is probably bussing. His switch to jay doesn't make any sense.

##Unvote
##Vote jaybrundage

On March 08 2013 01:55 Vivax wrote:
Dandel is still a huge dick for playing like this and probably thinks about doing this as town so he can do it as mafia later at our expense.

On March 09 2013 02:29 Dandel Ion wrote:

Nope.

On March 06 2013 02:53 thrawn2112 wrote:


prom, you thinking that hapa is at fault for not pressuring the early voters makes you scum.

you obviously think there is something wrong with what they (early voters) did. so why are you not questioning them? the closest you've come to doing that is calling thrawn dumb or scum. so why, if they deserve to be called out, are you not doing it? this hapa read is kinda bs and you don't have a read on me other than that my arguments should be discredited.

On March 09 2013 14:48 Blazinghand wrote:
yes