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On March 13 2013 10:23 Foolishness wrote:From the General Guide to Mafia (keep in mind this is in the town section): Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 15:49 Incognito wrote:Posting in the Thread A. General Posting Strategy You should not post without a plan or agenda. You honestly think I'm asking a question to something I don't know? tsk tsk! Gotta read between the lines
Hmmm....you're asking ME if I honestly think you're asking a question to something you don't know?
Does the very act of asking the question indicate an ignorance of the answer? Does the very act of asking not indicate a desire to possess the answer?
Like it's really really easy to say you have a plan after you're called out. That's all I'm saying. Well, that's not ALL I'm saying, if you're reading between the lines...but you catch my drift.
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Maaaaaaaaaaan, it's not even that.
It's a ridiculously crappy post if he has no plan. Nobody missed that there's something going on, it's the what's going on that's weird.
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There's no point in speculating about it until he fills us in bro.
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Wat deadline is in 1hr? psh don't want to wait that long, and scum can't stop me if I post early anyhow
Rereading for the past 3 or 4 hours ... and yea maybe I got my tunnel on too hard ... probably because I researched too much into personality mafia 1 and subscribe under the Ace / L school of thought. Still don't like yamato but it's probably destructive for me to continue play like this.
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Anyhoo, I'm gonna remedy this as best I can tonight cuz I'm the Warlock Techies, and I'ma blowing up (lolol) all the baddies with me. Of course the hosts don't know anything about balance (lolol) so it's not so simple as ##suicide: baddies, but I hope to take a couple down with me. Hopefully they turn out scummers, but in worst case I take out mislynches and lurkers. I need to regen some mana but everything should pan out by midcycle (24 hours) into day 2 - if not you can feel free to try to lynch my charred remains :D
And of course+ Show Spoiler +
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I was kind of sad that nobody has been posting like Drazerk. You hadn't been before, but that's the first thing that makes me think someone might be him in this game.
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My guy doesn't seem to be a big spammer at the end of night cycles. So I'll compromise and mini-spam.
BC's "you guys so bad, I'm scummy cuz of my personality that you guys don't know about" is crap. He should know it's crap. Marv, may have been you, but someone in a PM or obs or postgame of themed game mentioned it being hard for established scumhunters to play scum and not be outed. This feels like that. BC gets to be scummy for a day, and his response/defense is to blame it on his personality, which we don't know and which he knows we don't know. End result? Perhaps it buys him a day or two. That's crap. Just an easy way to delay being outed by blaming on information that, oh my, nobody else happens to have.
There's a group of experienced players who are all just...congealing together. risk.nuke, HiroPro, prplhz, snb, slOosh, Acro. With each of those people, just off the top of my head, I can think of 0-2 things that they've done. A particular post, a particular case, but that's it. If I'm not around, someone else needs to poke this group HARD. I've been growing more wtf-ey with slOosh, because while he was entirely inactive in PU like he is here, he was somewhat active and was all scheme-y in bureaucracy. Here, he's entirely inactive and doesn't have the benefit of me having checked him as "town." So...I'm stuck thinking it's some dumb roleplaying or rl issues, and not scumminess? Don't love the conclusion, but frankly that whole group of people needs to take some stances tomorrow, differentiate themselves, and we can see who rises up and who sits at the bottom of the glass looking scummy.
Still haven't read Duel mafia. But multiple people picked out multiple inconsistencies between Cora's play there and here. I'm assuming you're not all scum laying some elaborate trap to kill Cora, so I'll assume his play is funky and I have to throw part of my read out the window. But still, look at his entrance posts. Those are carefree and silly. Those are not mafia posts. Look at him trying to figure out bugs and my mayoral campaign. Those are trying to solve the game. Not mafia posts. Cora town.
Vivax was scumVivax earlier. He was not actively destroying the thread and when he was here, was kind of shitty/weird, but relying on just...lies/assumptions/not reading. More recent Vivax has been townVivax - dicking around with marv, being insistent that he's right about ridiculous things and trying to get everyone riled up about the ridiculous ideas that he wants to push. That's what I was getting at earlier with being used to him being scummy as town, but that he wasn't being scummy in the right way. It felt off, like he was trying to be scummy but forcing it. After getting called out on it, ta da! Miraculously, scummy townVivax shows back up. That change means Vivax probably scum. Anyone who says vivax is scum cuz he's scummy is being dumb and not looking at him properly. He's scum cuz he's the wrong kind of scummy, as stupid as that sounds. It's forced, it's based on not reading/lying, rather than just shitting up thread.
I think marv is town, so he's probably scum too.
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Hopefully mafia is dumb enough.
Hopefully.
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austin do you want to play that game you played with yamato with me?
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On March 13 2013 11:25 slOosh wrote:
austin do you want to play that game you played with yamato with me? If we're still alive, yes. But tomorrow. Too late for me tonight.
Actually, I want to play that game more with yamato. I think I only got one read out of him, and fooking everyone should be playing that game with the group of players that you're in.
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ok - if anyone in that group wants to play with me I'm down to pow-wow. granted that some of you are already in another, more binding, group with me. huehuehue
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On March 13 2013 11:19 austinmcc wrote:
My guy doesn't seem to be a big spammer at the end of night cycles. So I'll compromise and mini-spam.
BC's "you guys so bad, I'm scummy cuz of my personality that you guys don't know about" is crap. He should know it's crap. Marv, may have been you, but someone in a PM or obs or postgame of themed game mentioned it being hard for established scumhunters to play scum and not be outed. This feels like that. BC gets to be scummy for a day, and his response/defense is to blame it on his personality, which we don't know and which he knows we don't know. End result? Perhaps it buys him a day or two. That's crap. Just an easy way to delay being outed by blaming on information that, oh my, nobody else happens to have.
There's a group of experienced players who are all just...congealing together. risk.nuke, HiroPro, prplhz, snb, slOosh, Acro. With each of those people, just off the top of my head, I can think of 0-2 things that they've done. A particular post, a particular case, but that's it. If I'm not around, someone else needs to poke this group HARD. I've been growing more wtf-ey with slOosh, because while he was entirely inactive in PU like he is here, he was somewhat active and was all scheme-y in bureaucracy. Here, he's entirely inactive and doesn't have the benefit of me having checked him as "town." So...I'm stuck thinking it's some dumb roleplaying or rl issues, and not scumminess? Don't love the conclusion, but frankly that whole group of people needs to take some stances tomorrow, differentiate themselves, and we can see who rises up and who sits at the bottom of the glass looking scummy.
Still haven't read Duel mafia. But multiple people picked out multiple inconsistencies between Cora's play there and here. I'm assuming you're not all scum laying some elaborate trap to kill Cora, so I'll assume his play is funky and I have to throw part of my read out the window. But still, look at his entrance posts. Those are carefree and silly. Those are not mafia posts. Look at him trying to figure out bugs and my mayoral campaign. Those are trying to solve the game. Not mafia posts. Cora town.
Vivax was scumVivax earlier. He was not actively destroying the thread and when he was here, was kind of shitty/weird, but relying on just...lies/assumptions/not reading. More recent Vivax has been townVivax - dicking around with marv, being insistent that he's right about ridiculous things and trying to get everyone riled up about the ridiculous ideas that he wants to push. That's what I was getting at earlier with being used to him being scummy as town, but that he wasn't being scummy in the right way. It felt off, like he was trying to be scummy but forcing it. After getting called out on it, ta da! Miraculously, scummy townVivax shows back up. That change means Vivax probably scum. Anyone who says vivax is scum cuz he's scummy is being dumb and not looking at him properly. He's scum cuz he's the wrong kind of scummy, as stupid as that sounds. It's forced, it's based on not reading/lying, rather than just shitting up thread.
I think marv is town, so he's probably scum too. This reads like a big post of nothing.
You just saying here is a list some scum here.
If you're around Day2, i want to see you apply some god-damn pressure.
I will give you credit though: you applying the politican personality full steam...
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it's how austin plays, mocsta.
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so its not indicative?
surely we can expect follow up pressure though? please tell me that is true...
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On March 13 2013 11:30 Mocsta wrote:
This reads like a big post of nothing.
You just saying here is a list some scum here.
If you're around Day2, i want to see you apply some god-damn pressure.
I will give you credit though: you applying the politican personality full steam... Read closer. I bet you find more than just a list.
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Acro's nightly reads
Here dere be scum
Cora:
Tunnels Yamato all game. However, unlike Duel or NMM 37 where he tunneled incessantly, the read seems forced.
On March 10 2013 13:40 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 13:39 yamato77 wrote:On March 10 2013 13:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
That would be...the most disappointing ever. Wtf is this post English too hard Don't post stupid shit about grammar. Who is scum Yamato? Your meta tends to be that everyone should have the scum team down 100% five minutes in the game. Have you found the scumteam yet?
This seemed like throwaway D1 pressure at the time, but Cora just went on and on about it. The fact that it was a meta read in the first place stuck out, because, as I said earlier: it's from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafia. He then gets extremely paranoid about dying when Kurumi posts fake shots in the vote thread, and is extremely defensive about his contributions this game, which, at the time were minimal.
When he gets pressured himself, he doesn't explain his thoughts, but deflects and avoids answering. First with the deflection from Mocsta where he says other people asked him that before and Mocsta was just sheeping, and then later with Marv:
On March 12 2013 08:32 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 08:00 marvellosity wrote:Corazon, can you tell me the difference between these 2 quotes please? They seem to be contradictory points: On March 10 2013 16:19 cDgCorazon wrote:
You aren't scumhunting, you're just throwing shit around. There's no need to do that. We find scum and lynch them. The fact that you are murking the water up means that you are not trying to scumhunt, which would make you not town.
On March 10 2013 16:41 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 10 2013 16:39 yamato77 wrote:
Your argument is that I'm scum because I refused to argue with you.
Not exactly a strong one. No, it's the fact that you are not playing as abrasive as your usual town meta is. Why are you bringing this up almost 48 hours after the fact? If you wanted to call me out for it you should have then, not now. Yamato's normal town play is abrasive but purposeful. His play and reads this game has been all over the place. Many calls of scum, only a small percentage of them have been followed through with actual evidence.
Who cares WHEN it is asked? He just seems really keen on dodging questions.
Sloosh: discussed to death. He has a single-page filter and is completely useless. Sloosh by all accounts (never played with him) is a good and useful town player. Why is he doing NOTHING except for tunneling Yamato? Lazy scum. That's why.
Ver: already said why a bazillion times.
Xfire99: played like crap. Then when he realized he might deflect the lynch showed some minimal contribution. Then when the lynch was over he disappeared again. No interest in the game, just in saving his own hide.
Null, leaning scum:
Vivax: entered the thread in an extremely wishy washy manner. Seemed like he wanted to lynch lurkers, but was afraid of saying so. This seems completely out of wack with his town meta, where he ALWAYS says whatever he wants. He then moved on to wanting to lynch roleplayers in a similarly vague way.
However, there's some stuff which makes me less convinced than the other 4. Firstly, he says that he doesn't believe the modconfirmed announcement of Kurumi being town. This is stupid, but doesn't seem like something scum would say: they already knew Kurumi was town and the mod announcement just confirms that, why say something weird about not believing it?
His whole tunnel on Marv feels like the spiteful, aggressive town Vivax from LIX and not the more placable scum Vivax.
Still, he is shitting up the thread to no end and his reads are unexplained and all over the place (other than Yamato and Marv). Could be scum based on that.
Stutters: more useless than in his town games. When pressured puts on a show, but just as Xfire, disappears the minute he is out of the spotlight again. Also:
On March 13 2013 04:33 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 01:30 Stutters695 wrote:
Seriously guys I'm not scum. Last time xfire did this that I remember he was total scummers (MtGII), last time I did this I was still town. Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 01:33 Stutters695 wrote:
I've also never role-played I'm game before. My money is on xfire flipping scum. What the hell is this, and why did everybody move away from Stutters? I get that his later posting got a bit better, but here he claims he did this before, and was town. Then when it's pointed out that he never did this before (and he has never rolled scum, keep that in mind) he uses roleplaying Kenpachi as a "new" excuse, which contradicts his old one. Lazy scum is lazy.
HiroPro: mostly useless. Flying under the radar. I know town Hiro to have fairly good reads and push them. Here we have drunk phone posts and fluff. Useless Hiro is scum.
Mocsta: antagonistic and in-your-face. Normally I'd say those were townie traits, but he was acting in a similar way in NMM 37 as scum, where he kept shitting up the thread by leading Cora on a pointless wild goose chase. If Vivax flips scum, then look no further: Mocsta was around and active in the thread, had all the time in the world to filter Vivax, calls him "worthy of scrutiny", but leaves his vote on Bugs. He never actually scrutinized Vivax and came up with a weak excuse to leave his vote there.
Iamperfection: not his aggressive, assertive self. Could be roleplaying, but as Marv said, town Iamperfection is so easy to read, he is almost as good as an IC. Iamp is not playing like that this game. Also voted for Bugs, but has a better reason than Mocsta.
Foolishness: discussed to death. Not as bad as Ver, but has been completely useless.
risk.nuke: town meta: aggressive tunnely active. Scum meta: aggressive, but loses interest quickly in the game. Guess who has gone awol. Also completely inconsistent reads:
On March 12 2013 06:52 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 06:37 risk.nuke wrote:On March 12 2013 06:33 Acrofales wrote:On March 12 2013 06:24 risk.nuke wrote:On March 12 2013 06:21 Acrofales wrote:
I have about an hour at the airport. I just looked at Ver's filter and saw he has still done nothing. I like my vote. Will try to make some headway in the thread before my flight leaves. Will be home about an hour before the deadline. After that all is back to normal. Also a cool way to try to justify throwing your vote away. Glad to see you're here. Your inconsistency made my scumdar ping and you haven't explained why I am scum and You have. noproblem at all with BC for doing virtually the same thing. Explain. BC is generally does little early on but don't hide behind others. How exactly did I make your scumradar ping? And do you think it's a smart thing to throw away your vote? Hide behind others? Stop deflecting. I found it very suspect that you called me out and voted for me for saying Ver's entry, and only post so far, was a scum ploy. Yet when BC calls Ver scum for the exact same post you find the read "reasonable but cheap". Basically it feels as if you are defending Ver for no reason, because it was just little ole me, but when BC calls him out you want to crawl back into the shadows and not be noticed. That is scum behaviour. As fora throw-away vote, I just gotdone reading page 31. Would you rather I vote yamato for being a derp, and probably a town derp at that? Because I prefer to read the rest of the thread and making up my own mind rather than mindlessly sheeping someone. EDIT: the internet at this airport is terrible and keeps crashing. I'll keep doing what I can.
Null:
BC: is not putting effort into the game. Not pushing his reads. Prplhz's case made sense to me. However, his two main targets (other than Yamato) happen to be strong scumreads for me.
Oatsmaster: seems to be playing more like his town meta than his scum meta, but has done absolutely nothing of note. Firmly null.
austinmcc: flying under the radar, but is making sensible posts.
Dandel Ion: poking people for no reason makes me think he's town. However, they are largely potshots with no follow-up. The Dandel I hydra'd with in MTG mini mafia was more active and had better reads than this. However, he hasn't done anything particularly scummy either.
supersoft: largely useless, but has some stuff that doesn't seem scum-like. The "trap" he claimed to have layed by agreeing with Iamp's post, but really not agreeing with it at all. Claiming it was a trap instead of explaining away the inconsistent read is not an excuse I expect from scum. Also, constructive criticism.
Null, leaning town:
SnB: is making sense and isn't lurking. Seems like his town meta.
prplhz: seems lighthearted and calm. The whole claim thing makes sense for town, and not for scum. Scum prplhz is so scummy that he gets lynched half the time on D1 as town. This is not that prplhz.
Town:
Promethelax: town meta, despite the limericks.
Yamato: despite what BC says, the most logical explanation for what happened is that Yamato is town and played badly. Yamato being scum requires too many assumptions.
Marv: seems to be trying to figure the game out. Could be playing excellent scum, but as in Duel, I have no reason to suspect him now.
VE: when VE is making sense and posting useful stuff, VE is town. That is the VE we have this game.
Yes, I realize that I have way too many scumspects. This game is impossible to read and clear up townies. I'm glad I even found 4. We kill Ver or Cora tomorrow.
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On March 13 2013 11:34 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 11:30 Mocsta wrote:
This reads like a big post of nothing.
You just saying here is a list some scum here.
If you're around Day2, i want to see you apply some god-damn pressure.
I will give you credit though: you applying the politican personality full steam... Read closer. I bet you find more than just a list.
Well im considered verbose, but you make me sound like a one-liner..
lets see
BC = scum
A list of 6 guys, some could be scum cos low contributers
You have read Duel, but commenting on Cora.. when half the arguments are based on contrast with Duel...
Vivax is scum
Marv is 50/50
My stance still applies, I want to see you do some follow ups if around.
Politicians can't just delegate everything...
+ If you want to comment on Cora, then at least do the justice of reading Duel. Otherwise your comments are moot and shitting up the dispute.
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On March 13 2013 11:38 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 11:34 austinmcc wrote:On March 13 2013 11:30 Mocsta wrote:
This reads like a big post of nothing.
You just saying here is a list some scum here.
If you're around Day2, i want to see you apply some god-damn pressure.
I will give you credit though: you applying the politican personality full steam... Read closer. I bet you find more than just a list. Well im considered verbose, but you make me sound like a one-liner.. lets see BC = scum A list of 6 guys, some could be scum cos low contributers You have read Duel, but commenting on Cora.. when half the arguments are based on contrast with Duel... Vivax is scum Marv is 50/50 My stance still applies, I want to see you do some follow ups if around. Politicians can't just delegate everything... + If you want to comment on Cora, then at least do the justice of reading Duel. Otherwise your comments are moot and shitting up the dispute.
this is unhelpful, unproductive, scummy looking mocsta. anyway i'm going to start writing up my post that i should've started a while ago.
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On March 13 2013 11:38 Mocsta wrote:
+ If you want to comment on Cora, then at least do the justice of reading Duel. Otherwise your comments are moot and shitting up the dispute.
I'm actually gonna get away from the comp and sleep, but my read on Cora isn't entirely depending on duel.
His entrance into this game is a general entrance thingy. Not related to the newbie I was watching or duel.
His posts on bugs and my mayoral campaign are something that I look for and find townie always. Not related to the newbie I was watching or duel.
Duel throws out the tunneling = townie. Duel makes reliance on meta seem odd. I can accept those arguments, without reading duel, and STILL find those other two things townie.
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On March 13 2013 11:40 austinmcc wrote:
Duel throws out the tunneling = townie. Duel makes reliance on meta seem odd. I can accept those arguments, without reading duel, and STILL find those other two things townie.
OK, that sounds reasonable.
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