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On February 26 2013 11:51 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 11:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I really hate mayor day 1s because everyone operates under this assumption that mafia would obsess over getting the role, if I were scum I'd personally advise my team to not even run. Take that for what it's worth but the extra attention isn't really worth shit without bodyguards.
Wales Fell (or whatever the smurf is) made a good point that pardoner is really only beneficial to scum. But I'm confused why any mayor would announce intention to autolynch pardoner, broadcasting that plan to the scum guarantees that they won't get the role lol A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Since the pardoner is inherently more dangerous as a scumrole and the plan to 'kill two birds with one stone' in all likelihood won't (or can't at this point) gain the traction necessary to be carried out, why not give up the role to someone who is likely to be targeted early anyway, or someone who if you are overly suspicious of, you can lynch yourselves anyway? Case and point: a newbie. I graciously offer up myself to be the (possible) sacrificial lamb to do with as you will. If you so choose to lynch me for fear that I am scum, then I go down happily, hopefully bringing as much information to the table as possible before I crash and burn in an epic fireball. If you choose to keep me around, then I will serve the town gladly and I will offer up my pardon to save a deserving person. Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach. WHAT SAY YOU GENTLEMEN You either didn't think this plan through or are just trying to pull one over on everyone. If we give Pardoner to you (or anyone) we can't trust that they won't just save themselves if we decide to lynch them. The only real choices I see are killing the Pardoner D1 or giving it to a player we trust. Giving it to someone who we think will die might sound good, but voicing that sentiment means that they probably won't and not only will we be no closer to figuring out if that person is mafia, but it will take 2 days if we do decide to lynch them.
Alright, I sort of see your point, but the question is can I pardon myself D1? If not then the plan theoretically stands and you have nothing to worry about (unless you think I'm scummy at a later date). If so then....yeah I suppose I'd have to go with hoping that you guys trust me.
Of course the other option is to make me Mayor if you have that much trust in me but to be perfectly honest, I would NOT do the role justice despite how 'super townie' Prom says I am. Need a few more games under my belt for that.
Ultimately it's all up to you guys. If my idea is dumb then it's dumb and we can move on.
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I am running for mayor or pardoner!
A vote for me is a vote for lynching scum, of which I do not know yet
On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote:
In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie.
So I'm going to vote WoS for now.
why does everyone think WoS is town et
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I really don't understand how so people are getting to the conclusion that because we don't have enough control over the vote to try and make the person we lynch pardoner we should make a good player pardoner. Am I missing something?
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On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote:I am running for mayor or pardoner! A vote for me is a vote for lynching scum, of which I do not know yet Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote:
In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie.
So I'm going to vote WoS for now. why does everyone think WoS is town et
Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.
In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good.
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On February 26 2013 11:55 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:40 randombum wrote:
Hello. Everybody should vote me for mayor, I'm 100% correct on my first impression scum-reads for the last 2 years. That's an amazing track record. where did you go? ;"(
So grush, would you be kind enough to post your all caps STARSENSES or is this your secret plan for when you roll scum?
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oh sure
STARSENSES
I did it in the first post also btw
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On February 26 2013 11:51 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 11:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I really hate mayor day 1s because everyone operates under this assumption that mafia would obsess over getting the role, if I were scum I'd personally advise my team to not even run. Take that for what it's worth but the extra attention isn't really worth shit without bodyguards.
Wales Fell (or whatever the smurf is) made a good point that pardoner is really only beneficial to scum. But I'm confused why any mayor would announce intention to autolynch pardoner, broadcasting that plan to the scum guarantees that they won't get the role lol A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Since the pardoner is inherently more dangerous as a scumrole and the plan to 'kill two birds with one stone' in all likelihood won't (or can't at this point) gain the traction necessary to be carried out, why not give up the role to someone who is likely to be targeted early anyway, or someone who if you are overly suspicious of, you can lynch yourselves anyway? Case and point: a newbie. I graciously offer up myself to be the (possible) sacrificial lamb to do with as you will. If you so choose to lynch me for fear that I am scum, then I go down happily, hopefully bringing as much information to the table as possible before I crash and burn in an epic fireball. If you choose to keep me around, then I will serve the town gladly and I will offer up my pardon to save a deserving person. Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach. WHAT SAY YOU GENTLEMEN You either didn't think this plan through or are just trying to pull one over on everyone. If we give Pardoner to you (or anyone) we can't trust that they won't just save themselves if we decide to lynch them. The only real choices I see are killing the Pardoner D1 or giving it to a player we trust. Giving it to someone who we think will die might sound good, but voicing that sentiment means that they probably won't and not only will we be no closer to figuring out if that person is mafia, but it will take 2 days if we do decide to lynch them. I am going to sheep this.
I think the role has to go to someone we trust. Hence we are back to voting the two pro-towniest pricks in the game.
As far as I am concerned, a pardoner saving themselves from lynch is not alignment indicative.
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@WoS: Whilst I applaud your confidence to stand before the experienced players present and declare you're love of town; it does little to earn my trust.
You say you want to put Prome on the backburner and continue scum hunting: what make you of "Wade Fell"
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On February 26 2013 11:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:51 TestSubject893 wrote:On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 11:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I really hate mayor day 1s because everyone operates under this assumption that mafia would obsess over getting the role, if I were scum I'd personally advise my team to not even run. Take that for what it's worth but the extra attention isn't really worth shit without bodyguards.
Wales Fell (or whatever the smurf is) made a good point that pardoner is really only beneficial to scum. But I'm confused why any mayor would announce intention to autolynch pardoner, broadcasting that plan to the scum guarantees that they won't get the role lol A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Since the pardoner is inherently more dangerous as a scumrole and the plan to 'kill two birds with one stone' in all likelihood won't (or can't at this point) gain the traction necessary to be carried out, why not give up the role to someone who is likely to be targeted early anyway, or someone who if you are overly suspicious of, you can lynch yourselves anyway? Case and point: a newbie. I graciously offer up myself to be the (possible) sacrificial lamb to do with as you will. If you so choose to lynch me for fear that I am scum, then I go down happily, hopefully bringing as much information to the table as possible before I crash and burn in an epic fireball. If you choose to keep me around, then I will serve the town gladly and I will offer up my pardon to save a deserving person. Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach. WHAT SAY YOU GENTLEMEN You either didn't think this plan through or are just trying to pull one over on everyone. If we give Pardoner to you (or anyone) we can't trust that they won't just save themselves if we decide to lynch them. The only real choices I see are killing the Pardoner D1 or giving it to a player we trust. Giving it to someone who we think will die might sound good, but voicing that sentiment means that they probably won't and not only will we be no closer to figuring out if that person is mafia, but it will take 2 days if we do decide to lynch them. Alright, I sort of see your point, but the question is can I pardon myself D1? If not then the plan theoretically stands and you have nothing to worry about (unless you think I'm scummy at a later date). If so then....yeah I suppose I'd have to go with hoping that you guys trust me. Of course the other option is to make me Mayor if you have that much trust in me but to be perfectly honest, I would NOT do the role justice despite how 'super townie' Prom says I am. Need a few more games under my belt for that. Ultimately it's all up to you guys. If my idea is dumb then it's dumb and we can move on.
Actually that's a really good question. At some point I thought I read that the pardoner couldn't pardon on D1, but the OP doesn't say that anymore. Doesn't hurt to ask I suppose.
Can the Pardoner pardon the Mayor's lynch on D1?
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On February 26 2013 11:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:51 TestSubject893 wrote:On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 11:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I really hate mayor day 1s because everyone operates under this assumption that mafia would obsess over getting the role, if I were scum I'd personally advise my team to not even run. Take that for what it's worth but the extra attention isn't really worth shit without bodyguards.
Wales Fell (or whatever the smurf is) made a good point that pardoner is really only beneficial to scum. But I'm confused why any mayor would announce intention to autolynch pardoner, broadcasting that plan to the scum guarantees that they won't get the role lol A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Since the pardoner is inherently more dangerous as a scumrole and the plan to 'kill two birds with one stone' in all likelihood won't (or can't at this point) gain the traction necessary to be carried out, why not give up the role to someone who is likely to be targeted early anyway, or someone who if you are overly suspicious of, you can lynch yourselves anyway? Case and point: a newbie. I graciously offer up myself to be the (possible) sacrificial lamb to do with as you will. If you so choose to lynch me for fear that I am scum, then I go down happily, hopefully bringing as much information to the table as possible before I crash and burn in an epic fireball. If you choose to keep me around, then I will serve the town gladly and I will offer up my pardon to save a deserving person. Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach. WHAT SAY YOU GENTLEMEN You either didn't think this plan through or are just trying to pull one over on everyone. If we give Pardoner to you (or anyone) we can't trust that they won't just save themselves if we decide to lynch them. The only real choices I see are killing the Pardoner D1 or giving it to a player we trust. Giving it to someone who we think will die might sound good, but voicing that sentiment means that they probably won't and not only will we be no closer to figuring out if that person is mafia, but it will take 2 days if we do decide to lynch them. Alright, I sort of see your point, but the question is can I pardon myself D1? If not then the plan theoretically stands and you have nothing to worry about (unless you think I'm scummy at a later date). If so then....yeah I suppose I'd have to go with hoping that you guys trust me. Of course the other option is to make me Mayor if you have that much trust in me but to be perfectly honest, I would NOT do the role justice despite how 'super townie' Prom says I am. Need a few more games under my belt for that. Ultimately it's all up to you guys. If my idea is dumb then it's dumb and we can move on.
I don't want you mayor, even though I'd bet a nut you are town I wouldn't bet a single hair of my beard on you making the right choices. I've been burned by newbie townies before (YAN). If you are elected pardoner do not pardon anyone. Ever.
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Starsenses, historically, has been used in conjunction with calling out scum for no reason...that's what the word implies - that you know who is scum based not on evidence, but by some sixth-sense that is essentially inexplicable.
He's asking you who is scum grush. Oblige the man.
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On February 26 2013 12:02 grush57 wrote:
oh sure
STARSENSES
I did it in the first post also btw
You said it. But didn't bold it. I thought that might be your super gosh scum start with it.
I would say grush is mod confirmed townie at this point, we should make him or WoS pardoner.
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On February 26 2013 11:59 TestSubject893 wrote:
I really don't understand how so people are getting to the conclusion that because we don't have enough control over the vote to try and make the person we lynch pardoner we should make a good player pardoner. Am I missing something?
Hence my post. If you're worried about scum getting the position, put me in it instead, and if people are absolutely paranoid that I'm not town then worst case scenario it's a mislynch on a role that you don't want that badly anyway, and best case scenario, you don't lynch me and you have town in the position you want.
If you're commenting on the fact that it might be inherently more difficult to try and fix the runner up vote, then that's a different story, obviously.
On February 26 2013 11:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
Of course the other option is to make me Mayor if you have that much trust in me but to be perfectly honest, I would NOT do the role justice despite how 'super townie' Prom says I am. Need a few more games under my belt for that.
Ultimately it's all up to you guys. If my idea is dumb then it's dumb and we can move on.
Sorry for formatting, the bolded posts are mine. Testsubject, from a completely neutral point of you you're right; I can't help but inherently see the value in wanting to put myself up for this, however, knowing my own alignment. I don't see myself as Mayor so given your case it pretty much boils down to, do we want to ignore me or not? 
On February 26 2013 12:02 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:51 TestSubject893 wrote:On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 11:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I really hate mayor day 1s because everyone operates under this assumption that mafia would obsess over getting the role, if I were scum I'd personally advise my team to not even run. Take that for what it's worth but the extra attention isn't really worth shit without bodyguards.
Wales Fell (or whatever the smurf is) made a good point that pardoner is really only beneficial to scum. But I'm confused why any mayor would announce intention to autolynch pardoner, broadcasting that plan to the scum guarantees that they won't get the role lol A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Since the pardoner is inherently more dangerous as a scumrole and the plan to 'kill two birds with one stone' in all likelihood won't (or can't at this point) gain the traction necessary to be carried out, why not give up the role to someone who is likely to be targeted early anyway, or someone who if you are overly suspicious of, you can lynch yourselves anyway? Case and point: a newbie. I graciously offer up myself to be the (possible) sacrificial lamb to do with as you will. If you so choose to lynch me for fear that I am scum, then I go down happily, hopefully bringing as much information to the table as possible before I crash and burn in an epic fireball. If you choose to keep me around, then I will serve the town gladly and I will offer up my pardon to save a deserving person. Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach. WHAT SAY YOU GENTLEMEN You either didn't think this plan through or are just trying to pull one over on everyone. If we give Pardoner to you (or anyone) we can't trust that they won't just save themselves if we decide to lynch them. The only real choices I see are killing the Pardoner D1 or giving it to a player we trust. Giving it to someone who we think will die might sound good, but voicing that sentiment means that they probably won't and not only will we be no closer to figuring out if that person is mafia, but it will take 2 days if we do decide to lynch them. I am going to sheep this. I think the role has to go to someone we trust. Hence we are back to voting the two pro-towniest pricks in the game. As far as I am concerned, a pardoner saving themselves from lynch is not alignment indicative. ======= @WoS: Whilst I applaud your confidence to stand before the experienced players present and declare you're love of town; it does little to earn my trust. You say you want to put Prome on the backburner and continue scum hunting: what make you of "Wade Fell"
I'll get to this, give me a few min.
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On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote:I am running for mayor or pardoner! A vote for me is a vote for lynching scum, of which I do not know yet On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote:
In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie.
So I'm going to vote WoS for now. why does everyone think WoS is town et Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted. In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good.
Whilst I agree the post is more than likely to be generated from town than scum.
I would like to think by end of cycle, I (and others) have more than just him as a "probably town" read.
I surmise you think the same since prior you said roughly "you are content with him for now."
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On February 26 2013 12:04 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:57 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 11:51 TestSubject893 wrote:On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 11:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I really hate mayor day 1s because everyone operates under this assumption that mafia would obsess over getting the role, if I were scum I'd personally advise my team to not even run. Take that for what it's worth but the extra attention isn't really worth shit without bodyguards.
Wales Fell (or whatever the smurf is) made a good point that pardoner is really only beneficial to scum. But I'm confused why any mayor would announce intention to autolynch pardoner, broadcasting that plan to the scum guarantees that they won't get the role lol A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Since the pardoner is inherently more dangerous as a scumrole and the plan to 'kill two birds with one stone' in all likelihood won't (or can't at this point) gain the traction necessary to be carried out, why not give up the role to someone who is likely to be targeted early anyway, or someone who if you are overly suspicious of, you can lynch yourselves anyway? Case and point: a newbie. I graciously offer up myself to be the (possible) sacrificial lamb to do with as you will. If you so choose to lynch me for fear that I am scum, then I go down happily, hopefully bringing as much information to the table as possible before I crash and burn in an epic fireball. If you choose to keep me around, then I will serve the town gladly and I will offer up my pardon to save a deserving person. Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach. WHAT SAY YOU GENTLEMEN You either didn't think this plan through or are just trying to pull one over on everyone. If we give Pardoner to you (or anyone) we can't trust that they won't just save themselves if we decide to lynch them. The only real choices I see are killing the Pardoner D1 or giving it to a player we trust. Giving it to someone who we think will die might sound good, but voicing that sentiment means that they probably won't and not only will we be no closer to figuring out if that person is mafia, but it will take 2 days if we do decide to lynch them. Alright, I sort of see your point, but the question is can I pardon myself D1? If not then the plan theoretically stands and you have nothing to worry about (unless you think I'm scummy at a later date). If so then....yeah I suppose I'd have to go with hoping that you guys trust me. Of course the other option is to make me Mayor if you have that much trust in me but to be perfectly honest, I would NOT do the role justice despite how 'super townie' Prom says I am. Need a few more games under my belt for that. Ultimately it's all up to you guys. If my idea is dumb then it's dumb and we can move on. I don't want you mayor, even though I'd bet a nut you are town I wouldn't bet a single hair of my beard on you making the right choices. I've been burned by newbie townies before (YAN). If you are elected pardoner do not pardon anyone. Ever.
I can get behind this.
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On February 26 2013 12:02 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:51 TestSubject893 wrote:On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 11:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I really hate mayor day 1s because everyone operates under this assumption that mafia would obsess over getting the role, if I were scum I'd personally advise my team to not even run. Take that for what it's worth but the extra attention isn't really worth shit without bodyguards.
Wales Fell (or whatever the smurf is) made a good point that pardoner is really only beneficial to scum. But I'm confused why any mayor would announce intention to autolynch pardoner, broadcasting that plan to the scum guarantees that they won't get the role lol A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you? Since the pardoner is inherently more dangerous as a scumrole and the plan to 'kill two birds with one stone' in all likelihood won't (or can't at this point) gain the traction necessary to be carried out, why not give up the role to someone who is likely to be targeted early anyway, or someone who if you are overly suspicious of, you can lynch yourselves anyway? Case and point: a newbie. I graciously offer up myself to be the (possible) sacrificial lamb to do with as you will. If you so choose to lynch me for fear that I am scum, then I go down happily, hopefully bringing as much information to the table as possible before I crash and burn in an epic fireball. If you choose to keep me around, then I will serve the town gladly and I will offer up my pardon to save a deserving person. Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach. WHAT SAY YOU GENTLEMEN You either didn't think this plan through or are just trying to pull one over on everyone. If we give Pardoner to you (or anyone) we can't trust that they won't just save themselves if we decide to lynch them. The only real choices I see are killing the Pardoner D1 or giving it to a player we trust. Giving it to someone who we think will die might sound good, but voicing that sentiment means that they probably won't and not only will we be no closer to figuring out if that person is mafia, but it will take 2 days if we do decide to lynch them. I am going to sheep this. I think the role has to go to someone we trust. Hence we are back to voting the two pro-towniest pricks in the game. As far as I am concerned, a pardoner saving themselves from lynch is not alignment indicative. ======= @WoS: Whilst I applaud your confidence to stand before the experienced players present and declare you're love of town; it does little to earn my trust. You say you want to put Prome on the backburner and continue scum hunting: what make you of "Wade Fell"
You're gonna have to help me here. What do you mean when you say "sheep this"?
As for pardoner saving themselves not being alignment indicative, that only adds to my point. We can't just give it to anyone because we are stuck with them no matter their role. Its important that its either the D1 lynch or a town.
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Regarding 'Wade Fell'
Null alignment at best. Seems to be doing a decent job of throwing his vote (or suspicion) around aimlessly all the while shitting up the thread in short bursts, then disappears. Not enough to go on and hasn't contributed useful information, all he does is prod.
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On February 26 2013 12:06 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 12:02 grush57 wrote:
oh sure
STARSENSES
I did it in the first post also btw You said it. But didn't bold it. I thought that might be your super gosh scum start with it. I would say grush is mod confirmed townie at this point, we should make him or WoS pardoner.
I just picked up my fucking jaw was this statement serious?
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[fluff contribution]
Still waiting to hear a first post from:
The Milkman
glurio
Chaos Bear
Hassybaby
You four: if you need a discussion prompter; what do you make of me?
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and seeking more contributions in general from about another 5-8 players IIRC
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On February 26 2013 12:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Starsenses, historically, has been used in conjunction with calling out scum for no reason...that's what the word implies - that you know who is scum based not on evidence, but by some sixth-sense that is essentially inexplicable.
He's asking you who is scum grush. Oblige the man.
oh true at first, but slowly people became anxious and wanted me to say it instantly.
I would love to call out someone but there is alot of inactive people and the rest are basically smurf plus day1 I'm not entirely sure. I do want to lynch some of the lurkers who posted then disappeared like hassy, randombum, etc as of right now.
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