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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
February 26 2013 03:21 GMT
#681
On February 26 2013 12:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Prom how's that scum-read on WoS coming sir?

it's goner than gone.i thought I made that clear?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2013 03:22 GMT
#682
On February 26 2013 12:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
+100 scum points for everyone ignoring a case against prom and instead talking about pardoner with WoS and everyone praising him for being a great townie instead of focusing on the scumhunt

is this because of that bullshit about how your job as a townie is to prove you're a townie and scumhunting is somehow second to that?

On February 26 2013 12:02 MilkSuckler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 11:51 TestSubject893 wrote:
On February 26 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2013 11:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I really hate mayor day 1s because everyone operates under this assumption that mafia would obsess over getting the role, if I were scum I'd personally advise my team to not even run. Take that for what it's worth but the extra attention isn't really worth shit without bodyguards.

Wales Fell (or whatever the smurf is) made a good point that pardoner is really only beneficial to scum. But I'm confused why any mayor would announce intention to autolynch pardoner, broadcasting that plan to the scum guarantees that they won't get the role lol

A thought popped into my head regarding this...it may be absolutely retarded but you guys will let me know that after the fact, won't you?

Since the pardoner is inherently more dangerous as a scumrole and the plan to 'kill two birds with one stone' in all likelihood won't (or can't at this point) gain the traction necessary to be carried out, why not give up the role to someone who is likely to be targeted early anyway, or someone who if you are overly suspicious of, you can lynch yourselves anyway?
Case and point: a newbie.

I graciously offer up myself to be the (possible) sacrificial lamb to do with as you will. If you so choose to lynch me for fear that I am scum, then I go down happily, hopefully bringing as much information to the table as possible before I crash and burn in an epic fireball. If you choose to keep me around, then I will serve the town gladly and I will offer up my pardon to save a deserving person. Since I am new to this whole durned mafia thing, I am likely to be either ignored or an easy mafia target, keeping the role out of scum's reach.


WHAT SAY YOU GENTLEMEN


You either didn't think this plan through or are just trying to pull one over on everyone. If we give Pardoner to you (or anyone) we can't trust that they won't just save themselves if we decide to lynch them. The only real choices I see are killing the Pardoner D1 or giving it to a player we trust. Giving it to someone who we think will die might sound good, but voicing that sentiment means that they probably won't and not only will we be no closer to figuring out if that person is mafia, but it will take 2 days if we do decide to lynch them.
I am going to sheep this.
I think the role has to go to someone we trust. Hence we are back to voting the two pro-towniest pricks in the game.

As far as I am concerned, a pardoner saving themselves from lynch is not alignment indicative.
=======
@WoS: Whilst I applaud your confidence to stand before the experienced players present and declare you're love of town; it does little to earn my trust.

You say you want to put Prome on the backburner and continue scum hunting: what make you of "Wade Fell"





On February 26 2013 11:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 11:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm share the sentiment that it would be too much of a pain to try and fix the election to remove the pardoner. It just seems easier all around to just try and get town into both positions.

Hence my post. If you're worried about scum getting the position, put me in it instead, and if people are absolutely paranoid that I'm not town then worst case scenario it's a mislynch on a role that you don't want that badly anyway, and best case scenario, you don't lynch me and you have town in the position you want.
If you're commenting on the fact that it might be inherently more difficult to try and fix the runner up vote, then that's a different story, obviously.

I really like the Dr.'s posting so far, but I'd just like to keep in mind that I don't think we should start bandwagoning so early. I think it's been established by a few people already that Prom looks scummy; thus we know not to put him up for mayor. Are we now, like the good Doctor suggests, looking for a mayor to lynch him flat-out, or do we continue the scumhunt while keeping Prom in the back of our minds?
I lean towards the second option.


I've only said 100 fucking times to drop it if people don't like it, consider it dropped. As for you, geript, you should know, ONCE AGAIN if you even looked at the game we recently played that if anything it's exactly like my town play from last game, in which I question everything I do because I suck. I'm just less afraid to suck now.
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 26 2013 03:22 GMT
#683
On February 26 2013 12:20 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
god how little i anyone should care if marvellosity theoretically agrees with you, what is he mafia jesus or something?

ace agrees with everything i've said in this thread so far, is everyone on board with me now? i talked to him about it like a billion times.


Be pissy about it if you want. I'm Talking to VE about the opinion of a player we both talk to regularly and respect. Grush is town. I'm sure of it and I always will be, someone could get a red check on him this game and I'd still have him as town.


Your name drop did nothing for me either Prom, just so we're on the same page. I don't care what marv has to say regarding grush' Starsenses.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
February 26 2013 03:23 GMT
#684
On February 26 2013 12:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 12:20 Promethelax wrote:
On February 26 2013 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
god how little i anyone should care if marvellosity theoretically agrees with you, what is he mafia jesus or something?

ace agrees with everything i've said in this thread so far, is everyone on board with me now? i talked to him about it like a billion times.


Be pissy about it if you want. I'm Talking to VE about the opinion of a player we both talk to regularly and respect. Grush is town. I'm sure of it and I always will be, someone could get a red check on him this game and I'd still have him as town.


Your name drop did nothing for me either Prom, just so we're on the same page. I don't care what marv has to say regarding grush' Starsenses.


Do you care what I have to say o. The matter?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 26 2013 03:24 GMT
#685
On February 26 2013 12:18 MilkSuckler wrote:
DoctorHelvetica.. are you against me voting you for mayor?

I don't want to be mayor, no.
RIP Aaliyah
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 26 2013 03:25 GMT
#686
On February 26 2013 12:21 geript wrote:
Was referring to the "that post is likely generated by town" comment. My point is that I still don't like how his core fluctuates and it seems more like he's rewriting scripted posts and trying to blend under the newbie umbrella.

hhhmmm, I must say the "read" - if you can call it that - on Wade Fell was weak at best and scummily deprived of stance at worst.

And serves as stark contrast to the pardoner request post.

I noticed in NMM37 some players were writing posts for the lurkers to contribute with; so could be a valid tactic going forward here.

@Geript
Can you please identify which components of his post read forced and scripted to you.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 26 2013 03:25 GMT
#687
On February 26 2013 12:23 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 12:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
On February 26 2013 12:20 Promethelax wrote:
On February 26 2013 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
god how little i anyone should care if marvellosity theoretically agrees with you, what is he mafia jesus or something?

ace agrees with everything i've said in this thread so far, is everyone on board with me now? i talked to him about it like a billion times.


Be pissy about it if you want. I'm Talking to VE about the opinion of a player we both talk to regularly and respect. Grush is town. I'm sure of it and I always will be, someone could get a red check on him this game and I'd still have him as town.


Your name drop did nothing for me either Prom, just so we're on the same page. I don't care what marv has to say regarding grush' Starsenses.


Do you care what I have to say o. The matter?


Not if it's "He said starsenses = modconfirmed town" no. LMAO That's the worst shit I've ever seen.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VayeshMoru
Profile Joined September 2009
201 Posts
February 26 2013 03:25 GMT
#688
Vayesh finds it odd that Prom feels the need to speak for a man named marv. Vayesh does not see the one by that name in this world. If he exists he must be a man of the mask. If that were the case would it not be wise to correlate that the man from prom was in some form of dealings with the masked devil
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
February 26 2013 03:26 GMT
#689
Just caught up, some thoughts. The idea of setting up votes so the the pardoner is the lynch target seems ridiculous.

Here's a crazy idea. What if we try to get scum elected on purpose. The idea is the mayor will probably not last every long in this set-up anyways.

My plan is basically we get a scummy person in the thread elected as mayor and get him to lynch the scummiest. Depending on what he does and how the flip goes we can gain a lot of good information. If the mayor is unwilling to lynch the scummiest then we can vig the mayor. If he turns red then we have caught two scum. If he does lynch him and he turns red then good, the scummiest looking player was scum. If the mayor lynches the scummiest and he turns green, then we have to seriously look at the mayor. If the mayor also turns out green, then the town really sucked.

Basically we use this vote to choose our lynch target and put a scummy player in the spotlight by making him mayor. While normally having a scum mayor would really suck, the fact that there are no bodyguards make it far less risky because we can simply vig him if his play sucks.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2013 03:26 GMT
#690
Wow real shit job of formatting I'm doing this game.
Essentially, good Doctor, I bring up the points about focusing on the scumhunt MYSELF, AND calling Prom scummy (which you conveniently ignore in your long post regarding how you don't yet view me as town, but rather, 'worrisome') and you somehow ignore that and instead take it as me shitting up the thread. As I said, drop the pardoner shit, we'll see what happens.

Personally I'm wondering how the fuck geript seems to be 100% sure of Mocsta being who he says he is.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
February 26 2013 03:26 GMT
#691
On February 26 2013 12:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 12:18 MilkSuckler wrote:
DoctorHelvetica.. are you against me voting you for mayor?

I don't want to be mayor, no.


Why not?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
February 26 2013 03:27 GMT
#692
Prom is voting VE for mayor despite VE's intent to lynch into Prom/Vivax?
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 26 2013 03:28 GMT
#693
On February 26 2013 12:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 12:18 MilkSuckler wrote:
DoctorHelvetica.. are you against me voting you for mayor?

I don't want to be mayor, no.

Thats a shame: I enjoyed reading the debate you had outside the game with everyone regarding establishing innocence.

I like the direction you are providing thus far; but will respect your wishes and not reciprocate the <3 with a vote.

With Wade Fell: do you dislike any more of his play (other than his suggestion with the pardoner?)
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 26 2013 03:28 GMT
#694
On February 26 2013 12:26 randombum wrote:
Just caught up, some thoughts. The idea of setting up votes so the the pardoner is the lynch target seems ridiculous.

Here's a crazy idea. What if we try to get scum elected on purpose. The idea is the mayor will probably not last every long in this set-up anyways.

My plan is basically we get a scummy person in the thread elected as mayor and get him to lynch the scummiest. Depending on what he does and how the flip goes we can gain a lot of good information. If the mayor is unwilling to lynch the scummiest then we can vig the mayor. If he turns red then we have caught two scum. If he does lynch him and he turns red then good, the scummiest looking player was scum. If the mayor lynches the scummiest and he turns green, then we have to seriously look at the mayor. If the mayor also turns out green, then the town really sucked.

Basically we use this vote to choose our lynch target and put a scummy player in the spotlight by making him mayor. While normally having a scum mayor would really suck, the fact that there are no bodyguards make it far less risky because we can simply vig him if his play sucks.

I have a crazier idea, what if we instead just try to lynch scum because that's the whole point of this game if you're town. Hear me out, but I think if we lynched scum every day, we would win the game.
RIP Aaliyah
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
February 26 2013 03:29 GMT
#695
On February 26 2013 12:20 VayeshMoru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 12:18 TestSubject893 wrote:
On February 26 2013 12:14 MilkSuckler wrote:
On February 26 2013 12:09 TestSubject893 wrote:
You're gonna have to help me here. What do you mean when you say "sheep this"?

That the role needs to go to someone we trust and someone responsible.

Not just a newbie that is at risk of being ignored.

I thought it was transparent.


I still don't understand, sorry. My question really is what does sheep mean in this context? I know that's a noob question, sorry; this is only my 3rd game on TL.


A question appears. Does this lab rat have experience in worlds outside of the team liquid?

If so why would the experiment feel the need to declare his inability to perform.


wat

I've played mafia in real life if that's what you're asking. I told him it was a noob question because I had to ask it twice to get it across, and well, I have less experience than most players in this game. I'm not really sure what you're looking for in a response, so please feel free to more directly clarify any questions you might still have.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 26 2013 03:29 GMT
#696
On February 26 2013 12:27 ObviousOne wrote:
Prom is voting VE for mayor despite VE's intent to lynch into Prom/Vivax?

Doesn't mean anything, could be a weak attempt to look town for all we know.

Also Milksuckler, considering Wade Fells' filter at this point in the game, the best I can offer is null. Do you think you could do any better without it sounding forced?
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The Macho Man
Profile Joined February 2013
171 Posts
February 26 2013 03:29 GMT
#697
On February 26 2013 12:26 randombum wrote:
Just caught up, some thoughts. The idea of setting up votes so the the pardoner is the lynch target seems ridiculous.

Here's a crazy idea. What if we try to get scum elected on purpose. The idea is the mayor will probably not last every long in this set-up anyways.

My plan is basically we get a scummy person in the thread elected as mayor and get him to lynch the scummiest. Depending on what he does and how the flip goes we can gain a lot of good information. If the mayor is unwilling to lynch the scummiest then we can vig the mayor. If he turns red then we have caught two scum. If he does lynch him and he turns red then good, the scummiest looking player was scum. If the mayor lynches the scummiest and he turns green, then we have to seriously look at the mayor. If the mayor also turns out green, then the town really sucked.

Basically we use this vote to choose our lynch target and put a scummy player in the spotlight by making him mayor. While normally having a scum mayor would really suck, the fact that there are no bodyguards make it far less risky because we can simply vig him if his play sucks.

thats sounds retarded
we want to lynch scum
mayor gets to lynch we want town there so he lynches scum hopefully.

are you scum?
Expect the unexpected in the kingdom of madness
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
February 26 2013 03:29 GMT
#698
Well obviously lynching scum is good. But the idea is we can use it to gain a lot of information that simply elected a town mayor who is likely to die does not.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 26 2013 03:29 GMT
#699
I'll hit that up Moc when I'm not on my phone.
The Macho Man
Profile Joined February 2013
171 Posts
February 26 2013 03:30 GMT
#700
On February 26 2013 12:29 randombum wrote:
Well obviously lynching scum is good. But the idea is we can use it to gain a lot of information that simply elected a town mayor who is likely to die does not.

why are we trying to get information instead of lynching scum?
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