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On February 26 2013 15:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
Is that an answer to my question Cor? Your read is explained with "I looked back at his filter and through the arguments against him, and I see the merit in them." There's nothing in your filter about wanting to lynch kei. So for that, you are willing to put both thrawn/kei up for lynch?
I'm willing to put you up, and I've said that I'm also willing to let you choose your opponent. So yes, I'm okay with you two going up for a lynch.
I'd rather have Sylencia get up here and give us a read but no one is going to go for that.
So to answer your question, if you want to go up against Kei, go ahead. If the town wants you to do it, I'm ok as well.
I have suspicions about both of you but not as much as Syl so I would like to stick to my main read, however I realize that for the town to function someone is going to have to put their agendas away temporarily to come up with a decision, and for now that person is me.
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On February 26 2013 14:57 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 14:49 Keirathi wrote:I would be fine dueling thrawn. On February 26 2013 14:30 Adam4167 wrote:
That case against me was god awful, stinks of nothing-scum-case. It does nothing to illustrate why i'm scum, only that I was using logic that shows I think i'm town and everyone else should think it too. My point was, I think that would be easy for you to fake, especially in light of someone else already saying the exact same thing (so you could back out of it and just be like "Oh Yam did it first, sorry guyz"), and then using the opportunity to manipulate town opinion. If you're town, what was your goal with that statement? I can only see trying to bully people into a read of you, and I don't know why you would need to do that as town. My goal was to a) illustrate that I thought Yamato was town for going against the grain, as I was, and b) to stop people (corazon mainly) wasting time on focusing on someone I feel is clearly not scum. I feel like it did a good job of accomplishing those objectives.
So, if you are town and you believe yamato is town for being willing to go against the grain, then why do you need to "go against the grain" too? Do we need 2 townies on day 1 who are willing to step in for the duel? Did you mean "Oh, later on after yamato dies (because I think he's town and he can do it fine), I'll step up and duel people" ?
The sentiment behind the idea is all well and good, but in your case it literally serves no purpose except to bully people into thinking you are town.
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@Oats: I've already said that the reasons for suspecting Thrawn are legit. I'm not being egotistical (unlike some other people, not you), I'm in fact being the opposite.
Why did you call me out for being cooperative when I'm allowing Thrawn to choose his opponent (which I've championed) and not when I said I was ok with putting Thrawn up to duel? It's just another example of your inconsistent play. You exploit me when I make an error in favor of your enemies, and not when I make the same error in favor of you.
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Corazon what you're saying doesn't make sense. I don't fell like you actually care whether or not I'm scum or getting lynched. You still have yet to actually explain what your suspicions of me are. All you've said is that you agree with some of the stuff other people have said. And you're willing to let me chose who to duel.... while having this really weak and unsubstantiated read on me... while implying that you'd actually rather lynch someone else...
Can you give explanations for your reads on thrawn/kei?
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EBWOP: That's why it came across as fake to me. Town doesn't benefit from your stance at all (unless you want to argue that you are more likely town than yamato), only you do.
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No I am calling you out for seemingly being unhappy with thrawn/keir/whoever, and not doing anything about it, when you pushed your reads before.
Its like suddenly you are like 'alright, Ill do it, but im not happy', instead of 'I wont do it, this is why...'
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On February 26 2013 15:10 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 14:57 Adam4167 wrote:On February 26 2013 14:49 Keirathi wrote:I would be fine dueling thrawn. On February 26 2013 14:30 Adam4167 wrote:
That case against me was god awful, stinks of nothing-scum-case. It does nothing to illustrate why i'm scum, only that I was using logic that shows I think i'm town and everyone else should think it too. My point was, I think that would be easy for you to fake, especially in light of someone else already saying the exact same thing (so you could back out of it and just be like "Oh Yam did it first, sorry guyz"), and then using the opportunity to manipulate town opinion. If you're town, what was your goal with that statement? I can only see trying to bully people into a read of you, and I don't know why you would need to do that as town. My goal was to a) illustrate that I thought Yamato was town for going against the grain, as I was, and b) to stop people (corazon mainly) wasting time on focusing on someone I feel is clearly not scum. I feel like it did a good job of accomplishing those objectives. So, if you are town and you believe yamato is town for being willing to go against the grain, then why do you need to "go against the grain" too? Do we need 2 townies on day 1 who are willing to step in for the duel? Did you mean "Oh, later on after yamato dies (because I think he's town and he can do it fine), I'll step up and duel people" ? The sentiment behind the idea is all well and good, but in your case it literally serves no purpose except to bully people into thinking you are town.
I didn't 'need' to go against the grain. I put my thoughts forward that making two other people duel on your behalf was weak and cowardly, and that I would rather follow my own reads and duel them. That just happened to conflict with what everyone else wanted.
I was never going to 'step in and duel' on towns behalf after yamato died or otherwise, as it flies blatantly in the face of what I was saying. I will duel who I think is scum, no one else.
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On February 26 2013 15:12 Keirathi wrote:
EBWOP: That's why it came across as fake to me. Town doesn't benefit from your stance at all (unless you want to argue that you are more likely town than yamato), only you do.
keir I feel like this point isn't going to go anywhere... what else makes you think adam is scum?
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This point isnt going anywhere because there is no point to begin with.
Even if I were stepping forward to 'duel on towns behalf after yamato died or otherwise', how does that show only scum motivation? It could just as easily be coming from a townie wanting to fight.
Bad case.
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Oats, if you want me to sit here and divert the conversation and talk about you and Sylencia every time I want to make a post, it won't help town either. I'm swallowing my pride for this day to help the town make a decision. Do you have a problem with that?
My reads on Thrawn are the fact that I agree with many of the things that have been said about him. His scumhunting has consisted of Kei (once a flame was lit under his ass) and a few other weak attacks on other players. His scumhunting has not been up to par, and that is why I'm ok with having him be the duelist. If I had a town read on Thrawn, I would not be saying these things. My read on him is slightly scummy, and I want to see him fight for his life in the duel.
I've also said that I would like the person being asked to duel given the chance to choose their opponent. We've already talked about all of the other possibilities and this one sounds the best to me still. Thrawn wants to choose Kei (his reasoning is also quite valid, yet words said when accused always lose a bit of power), and I'm ok with his choise of Kei.
I would like to see Syl in a duel, but I've said before that I'm not a fan of heroes, and I'm not 100% sure Sylencia is scum. However he is my strongest scum read and I would like to see his actions once a flame has been put under his ass.
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Corazon. If your read on me is only slightly scummy then why are you willing to let thrawn vs x random player be the only two lynch candidates?
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EBWOP: By "not a fan of heroes", I mean I don't want to go rogue and duel him.
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@Thrawn because no one else wants to go with me on Syl or Oats.
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So what are you doing that is helping town now Cora?
If we decide on the duel candidates now, when most of the people arnt even in the thread, how does that help town?
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I think everyone should vote as if we were doing a normal lynch like
##Vote: Keirathi
it'll make the thread a lot more readable now and after the lynch. tbh we probably should have done it starting in the night phase
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On February 26 2013 15:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
So what are you doing that is helping town now Cora?
If we decide on the duel candidates now, when most of the people arnt even in the thread, how does that help town?
Not being a prick and refusing to go along with anyone else's plans but mine. Do you really want me to sit here and disagree with you just because it wasn't my idea?
I don't need the town to accept my ideas all the time. If I want anyone to listen to my ideas in the future, I need to listen to others' ideas now. I'm setting myself up to have my agenda go forward at the right time. I checked to see if now was the right time with my little push on Sylencia, but it was not agreed upon by anyone else, letting me know that this was not the right time.
I'm setting myself up to be taken seriously in the future and to not be thought of as a nuisance and an egocentric person. Is there a problem with that?
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wait what is this vote for thrawn?
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idk. i'm just having a hard time figuring out who wants who to die. people at least need to say who they want to lynch, or who they would duel if they were chosen to duel
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And you called me scummy for dropping marv being scum for the exact same reasons.
uhuh.
On February 26 2013 00:13 cDgCorazon wrote:
3. When I get home from school (in a few hours), I am going to re-read the pages with the whole go around between the TL veterans (basically everyone but the lurkers, me, Adam, Yamato, and Dieno). It's hard to follow because you guys just sit around and call each other scum/town based on each other's metas, which in all honesty is kind of pointless. Metas can change at any point, and players can use their meta from one side or another to conscientiously give others a town read based on their meta. Don't read too much into them (which I'm afraid you guys are doing right now). I'm not saying that all of it has been meta talk, but I've seen way too much meta talk thrown around.
You said this, and your read on Syl is a META read.
Well.
So now what are you gonna do now Cora? Sit around and twiddle your thumbs?
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Oh ok, yeah I think the vote should be for people you want to lynch, then either that person duels someone else, or someone duels that person.
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