EPT@Syllo did you find my response adequate?
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
@Syllo did you find my response adequate? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On February 17 2013 19:13 ObviousOne wrote: @Zess you still have Hopeless on your suspects list? His vote switch to Yamato was just "cause the vets said so" and he seems to currently bent on Vivax who I don't see as scum right now. @Syllo did you find my response adequate? It was fine, but you still look like a more compelling target than a bunch of other people. We were headed for a no lynch, you were around and refused to move your vote. Admittedly I would expect mafia to just not post around the deadline. | ||
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Zessionar
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ObviousOne
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On February 17 2013 19:35 Zessionar wrote: why don't we lynch marv today, syllo Because it's day 2, he has a 12-page filter, there's 3 mafia left and it's very unlikely that he will be alive in lylo if he is town. We are in a very good position and I don't like to take unnecessary risks. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
Very early Zess "RNG" vote for Risk.Nuke, Hopeless calls it scummy as fuck. Expresses incredulity at Zess' reason. Then lets it drop after this, no explanation given or received: On February 14 2013 22:34 Hopeless1der wrote: If you know what you are talking about (I am still quite skeptical), then why are you unwilling to share with the rest of the class? Just to pull out the critical bit here: "I think you're scum for pulling reasons out of thin air with no justification." Hopeless concerned here with Zess not justifying his vote: On February 14 2013 22:58 Hopeless1der wrote: I don't mind risk defending himself by calling himself bad scum because Zess didn't justify anything in either his vote or his followup. I personally read that as an attack against Zess, not a defense. I also disagree that Zess was strictly joking about it, as he still maintains that he kind of has reasons that he wont divulge. Here he jumps to Yamato citing Layabout's summary of how Yamato joins the Zessionar train: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17798191 with two words: "I accept." The next day he... joins the Zessionar train at 03:12 but disembarks at 06:12 since "he's getting a great deal of slack". A pressure vote that lasts for... exactly 3 hours. How overwhelming. Some bullshit with Vivax, whatever. No justification again, just a straight up vote. Ends with sheeping on Yamato. Justification? Well, you guys seem to be the justification, as in you all who pushed for Yamato. Admittedly not the worst possible reason in the world considering you voted for scum. I wonder if this lynch would have gone the same way had Hopeless1der stayed on Zess instead unvoting and voting for Vivax instead. Could the votes have swung differently? I expect a town Hopeless1der should have some kind of justification for his vote, even if he's just quoting specific reasons as stated by other people. He's been forthcoming with his reason for voting Zessionar all game and can't be arsed to say anything at all regarding Yamato or Vivax? All of his evidence picks on Zessionar which makes me believe Hopeless1der's plan was to try to push a Zess mislynch. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On February 17 2013 19:06 syllogism wrote: I think we should eliminate one of the non-contributors today. I'm finding it almost impossible to form at mafia team that doesn't include at least one such a player and even if we miss, it's not a disaster. If you feel that the description applies to you, now is the time to start investing time in the game because the clock is ticking. Agreeing with this. Gonna check the filters of a few of these players. Too many people are flying under the radar whilst someone like marv with a massive filter as well as hammering scum is getting all the scrutiny. Mattchew barely has more than one page of filter, and risk.nuke, LayAbout and ObviousOne only on two. At least one of you is town guys, put in some effort. | ||
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ObviousOne
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ObviousOne
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Artanis[Xp]
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Artanis[Xp]
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Mario Mini - Hopeless has 8 pages of filter by D2 as town. To be fair, the activity on Mario was a lot bigger in general, but even taking that into account the two don't match up. In Mario, Hopeless was on top of everything. He responded to every little thing, made big cases, and in general played a very proactive game. In Acme, Hope1ess would focus his thoughts much more, writing concise, built up posts that seemed well thought out. From these two games, I extrapolate: A town hopeless tends to post exactly what he thinks as soon as he thinks it, will look into things he finds suspicious proactively and is active. A scum hopeless thinks over things and only posts after he's certain it's fine. Generally makes larger and fewer posts. He's also more analytical. In this game, I see hope1ess asking a lot of questions in the start and replying to other people's posts without them being about him necessarily. He also seems to be emotionally involved in the game evidenced by things like Pointless shit, say for example: mccurrywurst? which makes me feel that he actually felt offended by Zessionar's way of talking, something I'd consider townie. His vote also moves around a lot which is something he didn't do in his scum game, though he didn't do it in his townie game that I checked much either.I don't think scum would be as bold as to simply say "I accept" to a case and vote on them for that. Call it WIFOM, but I think that indicates he's town more than that he's scum. That he ended up voting for Yamato, regardless of the circumstances, I'd consider something going in his favor as well. As for wanting Zess dead, I did too and I can see the justification for it easily, as I wanted him dead myself too. Hopeless seems relaxed in the game and he's definitely not my first candidate for termination. | ||
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ObviousOne
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Artanis[Xp]
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On February 17 2013 22:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't think they would in general, but especially when they're already under the magnifying glass as hopeless had been with Marv's case. It's pretty bold. just to note, my case came after Hopeless did that | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On February 17 2013 22:18 ObviousOne wrote: Is there anything about Coag at this point that you want my opinion on? I've listed him in my current scum team along with grush, the one player we seem to agree on at this point. Is there enough here to get a meta read on him? Not that I'm suggesting I go with a meta read alone as a case on Coag. Simply asking it its worth the effort in his case. as far as i can see, artanis agrees with me that grush is likely to be town. i don't know why you won't research him / listen to me on him yourself. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On February 17 2013 22:18 ObviousOne wrote: Is there anything about Coag at this point that you want my opinion on? I've listed him in my current scum team along with grush, the one player we seem to agree on at this point. Is there enough here to get a meta read on him? Not that I'm suggesting I go with a meta read alone as a case on Coag. Simply asking it its worth the effort in his case. I'd like your opinion on Coag, Mattchew, Risk.nuke and Layabout. I also don't think Grush is scum after looking into his meta. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On February 17 2013 22:21 marvellosity wrote: just to note, my case came after Hopeless did that Fair enough. That weakens my town read on him slightly. Still think he's town though. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On February 17 2013 00:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: His filter looks horrendous, he seems to be putting in no effort into the game and he was on pretty much everyone's ass but Yamato's. I wouldn't shed a tear if he got shot this night. Hard to tell between a townie that's putting in no effort or scum trying to look as such though. On February 17 2013 01:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Okay yeah, Grush scum looked far trollier, didn't ask questions and didn't seem interested in other people's opinions. Even though he's been doing nothing he acts a lot different here. Since he won that game too I have no reason to presume he'd change up his meta from the one scum game he played that he won. Fair enough. Thanks for the correction Marv, I seem to have misread the second quote horribly then. Trying to stay up so you guys don't think I'm just AFKing the entire game but I'm tired as all get-out so this is probably going to be a continuous problem. I started posting this morning as soon as I got home but there wasn't really anyone to talk to. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On February 17 2013 22:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'd like your opinion on Coag, Mattchew, Risk.nuke and Layabout. I also don't think Grush is scum after looking into his meta. Not sure why Coag is calling Marv town and buddying him. I don't feel like much of Coag's participation is insightful or useful up to this point. Who's Mattchew? risk.nuke doing a lot of attacking Zess on Yamato's behalf. Could be the emotional context of the Zess situation and the distinct lack of Yamato presence combined. I matched up on the Zess read with him D1 so I don't really hold it against him. I'd be concerned if he continues to push Zess today. Layabout seems to have the same idea as me regarding Hopeless. I give him some town cred for trying to get us shitposters to stop posting so shitty. Shit, he doesn't like Grush either. I like Layabout. | ||
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