Newbie Mini Mafia XXXVII

On February 11 2013 14:01 warbaby wrote:


I won't claim my actual role right now (just that my alignment is not mafia rofl), but if we get to a point later (d2+) where others are considering claiming, I will not hesitate this time.

On February 11 2013 20:57 warbaby wrote:


Are you fucking dense? Scum already knows who the towns are. All I'm saying is I'm town. They (the scum) already know that.

I could give away more information (like a blue role) later on, but I haven't done that yet. Why are you saying I'm claiming a blue role when I've done nothing of the sort?

You must be fucking dense.

On February 12 2013 12:23 warbaby wrote:
Someone with 2 or 3 crappy posts is scummier to me than the current active posters.

On February 12 2013 20:30 zarepath wrote:


Not sure if massive scum slip or . . .

On February 12 2013 07:12 glurio wrote:
after that expect my case on sn0.

On February 12 2013 22:05 Mandalor wrote:
And more importantly: Why would he think about that? And even more mindboggling: Why would he post that?
To me this looks like scum trying to figure out the blues. Then again, would Sylencia really be that stupid? idk.

On February 13 2013 07:29 warbaby wrote:
I explained why I won't role claim, but why I'm happy to alignment claim.

On February 13 2013 08:52 Mocsta wrote:
Sylencia
I just checked your filter

and noticed your recent posts are defensive (perhaps due to pressure you)

What I need from you to determine alignment is not a defense; but to see you scum hunt.

I could not find a vote in your filter.Please indicate who your top scum read, and dot point why.

On February 13 2013 09:23 WaveofShadow wrote:

Suspicion is not enough with 30 minutes to go. Wishy-washy up until the end is not going to earn you any friends with your neck on the line.

On February 13 2013 09:52 Sn0_Man wrote:
JK syl's vote is less out of the blue than I thought.

On February 13 2013 09:44 Sn0_Man wrote:
You aren't helping yourself glurio.

I think I may be willing to vote Sylencia, but my read on him is Blue or Scum, not green. I read somewhere that people who seem withdrawn and preoccupied with blue roles (like Syl was when we talked about WB's pseudo-blue claim) are often blue themselves. (Somewhere is in Ver's analysis of XXX). I really didn't want to lynch Syl because he might flip blue but his contributions haven't really been in line with what I would hope a town member would try to bring to the table.

So basically, I'm willing to consolidate on Syl but I want you guys to understand the risk that he flips blue is decently high IMO.

On February 14 2013 09:56 ObviousOne wrote:
Okay, I failed at reading Dandel's filter. It was up a page from where I was looking:

I admit you are correct on the point of having 2 votes.

On February 15 2013 06:09 warbaby wrote:

Note that there is only a mafia roleblocker. If sylencia is not lying, there will still be a mafia roleblocker on N2 (unless we lynch the mafia roleblocker today).

On February 16 2013 13:59 Sevryn wrote:

talking about it at all isnt really something thats good for down it can only help scum on Day 1

On February 16 2013 14:16 Sevryn wrote:

ahh no that was too the second question. if we assume that there are three scum I would probably say you cora are at the top of my list which would go
1. cora
2. warbaby
3.mocsta/sno
4.zera
5.TS who is confirmed town?
that actually makes me wonder is there a scenario where TS isnt confirmed townie?

On February 16 2013 13:54 Sylencia wrote:
Corazon: I'm still sure that Warbaby is scum, potential slip during day 2, one of the weirdest statements I've read during day 1, and he's now also claimed I've fake roleblock claimed. Remember when you were scum and you managed to slip under the radar for another 3 days while we flailed around until the other scum kind of screwed up your plans? This is something I don't want to let happen again.

On February 17 2013 10:47 Mocsta wrote:
In the scum game I played; we got the RB to block me.. to get town cred... i can see this happening here.

On February 17 2013 13:19 Mocsta wrote:

On phone:
This is silly poo corazon.

There have been several 13 player newbie games, each with 3 scum and never SK.

You just said 10 town, 3 non-town is unbalanced... y?

On February 17 2013 13:19 Mocsta wrote:
Why is this a contribution of merit compared to posts from Mandalor or Sevryn?

On February 18 2013 05:12 warbaby wrote:
@Sylencia, sevryn, mandalor

Who do you intend to vote for? Since you are all lurkers, I think it would be hypocritical of you to vote for another lurker. Further, it seems unlikely all 3 of you are scum, meaning an "active" player is scum.

Why don't you make a case against one of the "active" players: Mocsta, Corazon, Zarepath, or myself. If you put effort into making such a case, it would help a great deal to prove that you're at least trying to help town.

On February 18 2013 21:13 zarepath wrote:
I like how Sylencia's big "I'm contributing!" post is all theory and setup speculation.

Still filter diving, but I'm inclined to go for Mandalor right now. Although he did say he was going to be busy this whole time.

Not that I'm one to talk... As Cora pointed out, Sundays are my busiest days. Sorry for not mentioning that myself.

I should be back for the day. Catching up, filter reading, etc.

I like the discussion so far.

On February 13 2013 14:23 Sevryn wrote:
So I'm back from work and wow has a lot happened I dont understand why glurio played like he did. That is why I tunneled him because his case was absolutely terrible. We also needed another topic besides warbaby so I pushed glurio as a good alternate topic. Glurio admitted his case was terrible which just doesnt make sense why would town make a terrible case without breadcrumbs like I said earlier its just distracting and doesnt help town. as this lynch proved.

The only reason you think im scum is because you think a lurker is scum and while I know I havn't been very active which I will be fixing over the next days I have to ask. Why just me and glurio? your just looking at whats blaring in your face and not the whole picture. I had the confidence to share my read and kill glurios case why would scum do that? You talk about when during the day I posted my case like people normally post cases early day one when there is nothing to read which is kind of irrelavant because I posted my case after I read and reread his case.

I'm going to bed now but Will be up tomorrow and will be ready to provide my opinions and takes on yesterdays last minute activity and the night that fight.

On February 14 2013 11:21 Sevryn wrote:

your assuming that there isnt a scum RB and a town JK

On February 16 2013 13:34 Sevryn wrote:

Lowering expectations of how good they will be at scumhunting
and then the 5 posts on D1 about blue claims and the like which really only helps scum on D1



another post admitting to being a bad player and altogether undermining thier own stance on things which is a great tactic if later your going to have to go back on your reads. real easy to go "I told you guys I was bad at scum hunting"
looking through the whole filter I just see a lot of answering direct questions and no real cases.

On February 14 2013 03:04 Sevryn wrote:
Sylencia - null

On February 16 2013 13:59 Sevryn wrote:

talking about it at all isnt really something thats good for down it can only help scum on Day 1

On February 17 2013 14:27 Sevryn wrote:
I was asked why I am less scummy than the "other" two lurkers/
how about your reads? who do you think the scum team is? you think its all lurkers?

On February 17 2013 14:48 Sevryn wrote:

I will throw that right back at you you never give examples you say that I am full of broken promises. like what?
show me why im scummy dont just say YOUR SO SCUMMY PROVE YOUR NOT.
im going to try to get who I think is most likely scum lynched today what you do is your own choice but I would try to find scum by making a really case.
but as to scum hunting let me ask you a question.
Why do you think im more scummy than scy have you looked at his filter?

On February 18 2013 17:19 Mocsta wrote:

That doesnt make sense.. we have had 3 VTs flip; 1 SK and 1 blue.
*IF* you flipped VT; would that not leave 4 vanilla flipped... you wrote 5 above... i dont think it was a typo as you adjusted unknown to 3.
If you going to setup speculate.. why are you inserting erroneous statements such as the above? Quite misleading if you ask me.

Blah blah blah; its all WIFOM and presents a lot of "What-ifs" and no conclusion based on what we know.

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As an aside: to all
I fuckn hope somebody "watched" testsubject last night, but so far, no one has stepped up.

The problem is.. if somebody stepped up now and said they are the watcher, and wanted to "judge reactions" I would have thought its too late to automatically believe.
When TestSubject caught OO, he presented it within an hour.

If we believe the "watcher" and it leads to a mislynch, and then scum NK; we are pretty much fucked.

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Setup speculation
The only reason I can think of the "watching" outcome being held is if.. multiple parties visited TestSubject....(i.e. killer + ?nosy neighbour? or whatever else) This is really grasping at straws though; and I prefer to work with what I know = scum hunt.

On February 18 2013 22:42 Mocsta wrote:

Because we are the only three commenting in general.. perhaps?

On February 18 2013 22:48 Mocsta wrote:
Firstly, Thanks for taking the time to review the filter.

I dunno how corazon will feel about this Sevryn case considering:


I will give my 2c anyways.

The one point you raised I agree with:
Sevyrn doesn't answer direct questions, he 'flips' them back
I agree, this is a scummy thing to do; but by itself is not scummy. I dont think the other behaviours you identified are scummy; rather...

I think most of the points raised are OMGUS, or taking the least possible scenario as the basis for being scum.

e.g.

"Sevryn pointed out scum RB.. because I only mentioned town JK"
If anything, he picked up on an erroneous comment from you and brought it to the fore.
i.e.the logic you were sprouting does not assume a scum RB exists...
considering you have been 'roleblocked twice' this is indeed convenient. - and something I did not pick up on till you quoted his post now...

On February 18 2013 23:02 Mocsta wrote:

I don't see how personally.

Lets take your theory; that there is 3 scum.

Three lurkers = Mandalor, Sevryn and yourself.

Town thinks scum lies in the lurkers.
You think you are not scum.

Henceforth; at least one scum resides in the non-lurkers.

I believe the intention of corazon post, was to figure out who that "at least one" scum was.

Now... that I have to spell this out to you, is a concern....

On February 18 2013 23:42 Sevryn wrote:

Sylencia
here are my thoughts after reading his filter
Sylencia starts off by posting the chances of hitting town with RNG lynch making it clear he is not going to scumhunt and instead getting ezpz town cred.
States the obvious with warbabys claim that we all knew. talked definitivly with "when he doesnt die on night 1" which leads me to think he had knowledge of the kill target. than he continues with more talk of warbaby with some setup speculation thrown in there. where is the scum hunting? these are just empty posts that he doesn't take anywhere.
All of his pressure on Warbaby is summaries of his play no questioning his motives with OMGUS posts which is just classic scum play.
Of course town will survival vote but it is much better to play more town oriented and not have to rely on it. because hey(scum will survival vote as well)
He automatically decides its a scum RB. how does he know the JK doesnt exist while the RB does? he also points out a frame possibility which seems kind of odd if I was RB I wouldn't think "ohh this is me being frameda obviously" first. why is he ready to speculate about things he couldn't possibly know as town?
All game he tunnels warbaby(while applying very weak pressure) with a foundation of a scum slip which is a really weak case that gets dismissed which is perfect for scum to look like they are contributing.
makes a big post about the RB person to step up right before saying he got blocked a sec afterwards. and then we are right back to the being framed thing.
so basically sylencia has no real contributions.
He has had a game of weak tunneling on warbaby with no real pressure
and the rest is setup/role speculation with no outcome or saying he has been roleblocked and framed to be scum.
You can have problems with my play but I have tried to be heard when my posts are getting ignored. you attack me because I put what I think outthere and you dont like my opinion.
with syl he is just blending in.
its probably LYLO and he isn't doing anything to help town.
We need to lynch this scum
##vote sylencia

On February 19 2013 01:30 cDgCorazon wrote:
God I am so fucking frustrated right now.

All I've asked you two to do was make a case ON SOMEONE WHO IS NOT LURKING. HOW FUCKING HARD IS THAT?

You two sit here and pretend like my comments don't exist, my arguments don't exist, like everything I say goes over your head and that you don't even care that I'm asking you to contribute a simple thing to the town.

I can't wait to vote you two off so we can actually get to playing mafia and stop with this bullshit.

##Unvote
##Vote: Sylencia

SEVRYN, YOU ARE NEXT

On February 19 2013 06:11 zarepath wrote:


This feels so scummy to me, in addition to his No-Lynch. He is terrified of targeting or going after anyone in particular, and has spent most of his energy defending himself.

##Vote: Sylencia

P.S. - To all who have raised their concerns about my activity the last few days -- sorry, I've been spending time with family today since I have the day off. I know this isn't ideal and that my final contribution looks really haphazard, but that's because I just haven't put in the time to do a more thorough read. Sorry, all.